This video made me want a Vertical Mouse. I can't afford hurting my arm anymore with a small regular mouse. "Really Microsoft? like do you think I'm 5 years old? Giving me such a tiny mouse!"
Logitech's trackball is the best work mouse IMO. It stopped my hand pain shortly I started to use it. I now have been using it for over a year working OT and still no pain. The key is to give it 3 months so that thumb muscle develops and tiredness will fade.
@@maticzoran9354 first off, I still use the trackball mouse and feel most comfortable using this type of mouse for work. To clarify, I did have to switch between regular mouse and Logitech mouse until eventually I am used to the logitech mouse.
4:31 although it´s been only three weeks since I got the Logi MX Ergo, I couldn´t be happier, your thumb muscles don´t get tired at all, the way your wrist rests over the mouse it´s much more natural than the rest of the mice show here. I was very sceptical at first about how long it would take me to get used to it, and it was matter of a few hours.
Before commiting to a vertical mouse, or other ergonomic mice I suggest trying a "vertical mousepad" too. I got an early sample of one from Orb Control called a mouseramp. Too much to explain in a comment, but the highlights are use any normal mouse, don't drag your pinky finger like a vert mouse, more accuracy, and you may be pleasantly surprised just as I was. Simple but comfortable. Peace.
I felt the same way with the Logitech trackball one after I bought it I asked myself how does it help?! There’s way more strain on my thumb!! What you said makes sense!!
No, it really isn't. If it were, we'd have decent audio. This is actually a piss poor video that should be trashed and shot again, this time using a lapel/personal mic to avoid much of the hard wall reverb we're getting in this video.
I thoroughly enjoyed your video, and being an older 'tech', I have been using mice for about 30 years. I have always been very aware of the ergonomics of mice and their uses. You explained things very well and your video was very informative. Thanks and keep up the good work. Grazie mille!
Wow you have been watching for 3.5 years! The basic mouse design has not changed much. There are more options in the vertical mouse category such as the penguin, and DXT. I will have a video on the DXT soon. (I just got one today)
It seems the engineers are so far up their own ass that they can't seem to dedicate themselves to perfecting a design that has been proven to work, instead mutating it every 2 years so that it loses features that were good and add a bunch of useless un-intuitive crap. Take the G700s, it has the potential to be one of the best mice, the shape, ergonomics and features were almost flawless, though it is plagued by software issues and poor build quality of the buttons. Now instead of fixing the downfalls and perfecting the mouse they just drop it all together. The Mx Master is also another prime example of this. It got subtle improvements ergonomically, but then they totally screwed up the button placements to the point it's unusable. The same can be said about keyboards. Today's keyboards are imo horrendously bad. The majority don't come with wrist-rests and the one's that do are not even close to hitting the mark. All they focus on now is RGB lighting and useless fluff. This even extends into the realm of office chairs. Modern office chairs are mostly terrible. I have 30 year old chairs that have more features, function and comfort than any modern premium chair. So much technology, so much talent but it's all wasted with poor direction and no feel at all for what people actually like. /rant.
@@surg23 Yeah, it's like humans are erasing there memory every few years and have to make their very own experiences again everytime. Stuck in a loop of inventing old things.
Good point about the mouse with the trackball that is moved by your thumb. I bought one because it supposed to be ergonomic but now have all sorts of issues with my wrist. Would not recommend the Logitech M570
Josh, Thank you for watching my ergonomics video and leaving a comment! I am creating new ergonomic videos and would like to know what you would be interested is seeing. What ergonomic areas should I cover to be the most interesting and beneficial to you? Please reply or e-mail infor@siteergonomics.com Thanks, Steve
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Thanks for the info Steve - as a leftie it's very difficult for me to find a decent mouse. I'm particular about the shape, size and weight of a mouse. There isn't a tonne of left-handed support out there when it comes to mice/mouses. I spend on average 8-10hours per day on the PC. I'm currently using a logitech M705 mouse as it's size was the best of a bad bunch for me. I spent some time in the store trying out different ones, returning them and ended up settling on the M705 for now. I came across your video here while researching ergonomic mouse. Im thinking about trying one of the vertical type ones and am super happy to just learn that there is a lefty version. I've been suffering quite badly for many years now with RSI in my left shoulder and am looking to try ease that pain a little. I do switch between a mouse and a graphics tablet as I find the pen forces me to move more than my wrist but I find my fingers cramp up from holding the pen for long periods. Would you recommend trying one of the vertical types ? I'm also toying with the idea of 3D modelling my own mouse case to fit my hand exactly and having it 3D printed.
The review itself phenomenal. Great overview/advice as always. Welp the intro music blew out my ear drum before the video even started Good insights though.
I'm currently in the Goldilocks zone where mice are concerned. It fits my palm perfectly, and is the perfect weight when the batteries are fitted. The problem is that buying from an online retailer is a hit and miss affair. I prefer to try them for size, before purchasing, I suffer from Carpal tunnel syndrome (due to diabetes) and I'm exceedingly particular about mice.
Styluses are pretty useful for navigating as well as graphics. Mine has supplanted my mouse for everything but gaming. The only downside is their desktop footprint. Wacom tablets are the best and have a batteryless stylus. I started with a 4x6(?) and was sold. I now have a 6x8 for added precision in graphics but it takes up a fair amount of space and the smaller one would do fine for most people. Thank you for sharing this. It helped. I was still considering a trackball but leaning toward a vertical mouse. I'll go with the mouse now.
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great video! working in vfx and game development so sitting a lot with game mouse also as an artist i have been using the Wacom more and it heps against getting strained muscles. its a good option for t hose who are interested in trying something different
Great video! So, what do you think about the vertical mouse design? Anyone here who might have bought one and used it? What's your review, how comfortable is it? And which model you bought? Thanks in advance!
Steve, where did you get the information about thumb strain on the Logitech mouse? I bought one the first day they came out 13 years ago and have never looked back. Its just so comfortable and my hand is just completely relaxed after hours each day. I do look forward to seeing your take on the 3m upright mouse.
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I make insane hours behind my pc so my wrist started to hurt a lot, even though I was using a very comfortable Logitech Perfomance MX. I tried the nice looking Kensington Expert Trackball, but it requires me to lift my hand and move it quite a lot causing the top center part of my hand/wrist to hurt. I also felt less productive and awkward moving around and working the scroll wheel. It was also quite bulky on my desk. Because I still felt pain in my hand I put it aside. Reluctantly I tried the cheap looking & feeling Logitech M570. To my big surprise using the little trackball with my thumb actually felt very intuitive. Within 5 minutes I was already quite productive working painlessly. I had to get used to completely resting my hand on the mouse because no hand movement is required while it feels like my regular mouse in my hand. This is what I think Steve was doing wrong: try resting your arm on the table and your full hand on the mouse. It will should feel quite comfortable. I actually like that the buttons and scroll wheel feel about the same as I'm used to but without the pain. I also find the back-forward buttons useful. I'm also very surprised with the battery life of the m570, it seems to last forever while my MX runs empty in a day. Another advantage is that it's wireless and pairable along with my Performance MX on the same receiver (so I have a spare receiver stored in one mouse now) and I can switch mice quickly. So what don't I like about the M570? Well it looks and feels cheap (a bit plastic, light and I don't like the colors) so at 65 EUR I think it's way overpriced. I'd say it's worth 35 EUR but I don't have much choice. It's also a little small & lower compared to my much better looking performance mx and the scrollwheel feels way cheaper. However this is not a real problem and most mice feel and look cheap compared to the MX. I spent days looking for a solution so I hope someone else will find this helpful. Try the M570, I think you'll be suprised. I do appreciate your video but I must disagree about the M570. I understand it's personal but I think it serves it's purpose quite well.
Steve Meagher I tried the Evoluent Vertical Mouse 4 but I sent in back within a few days. I still had to use my wrist, because my arm is not precise enough compared to tiny wrist movements (for my use), resulting in pain. That mouse position is quite awkward to me, it feels better in my upperarm but I had too little control and precision in any sensitivity. I would like to see someone working that mouse in a DAW because I really can't. My wacom tablet was way more precise with a pen. Maybe it's ok for more basic stuff. I am very happy to say that I've been using the M570 for months now without any trouble and I have no pain in my wrist anymore. It's just a little less precise that a normal mouse but has some other advantages like never having to lift the mouse up. I've actually even resumed my gym routine without any trouble. I'm just saying this mouse is a lot better for some people than one might think!
Dr. Steve, Thanks for one of the most appreciated helpful videos. I'm just curious why there's a problem with the logitech m570, the mouse that includes a trackball. Is it bad for a trackball position only, or is it bad for being a normal mouse too. Because I think it's shape and it, as a normal laser mouse, are good, and might be a better design as a laser mouse, than the other normal ones compared in this video.
Hab It is a bit of personal choice but typically the trackball will isolate the smaller muscles of the hand while a mouse encourages movement of teh arm and shoulder. If you like the track ball the larger the ball the better. Try and and use an open had when moving the ball. This way you aren't compressiong the wrist.
You're quite right, it does really put some tension on one's hand, especially for using it for first time,and it takes long time to get used to it and that adds to the problem. And thanks, the open hand hint is VERY effective, it reduces the amount of tension alot, even in using normal mice. Thanks for you reply.
iAlsohands freei+Steve “The Ergonomics Guy” Meagher I am using a Logitech M570, went through 2 of them over the years, (use to Love them) but now i am in bad shape. I've played guitar at an advanced level for 20+ years and for the last 3 weeks my right index and thumb (picking fingers) are getting numb every single time I play guitar for even 5 min. Also for the last week or so extended computer use is getting difficult. HELP! I need to go hands free asap. I need the best set up i can find to save my hands. Was thinking both hands free (head tracking w/voice) and an ergonomics hands on at the same time. Please advise of products to consider. TYTY
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it is no fun when your hand has become very weak , i have experienced that , sometimes i can do nothing for days thought of a standing one , what do you think? rhank you Steve
I'm finding I need to get an ergonomic mouse. My right hand has some nerve damage from a dermatitis infection years ago and my hand gets numb. So I am planning on getting a vertical mouse of some kind. Hopefully I can find one that will fit me.
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Hi I am Having a right index finger and tennis elbow pain. And small hands (17cm from longest finger to first crease of wrist). What Would you recommend for me?
question, so for trackballs with a larger ball like the kensington expert... you use your lower half of the hand? I was under the impression it's a finger-trackball?
Great video! One question though if you don't mind. I have been having pains in the fleshy area under my right hands little finger ( palm area ) for a long time. I don't really know why except that it could be due to excessive computer use. What mouse would you recommend? (P.s. It needs to still be usable for complex things like gaming and such. And also I already have a roller mouse for my left hand that I switch to from time to time.) Cheers! : ) //Adam
Adam, Thank you for watching my ergonomics video and leaving a comment! Chances are you are leaning on the ulnar nerve and causing numbness. If you want to send me a picture of you on the computer I'd be happy to give you a suggestion. I am creating new ergonomic videos and would like to know what you would be interested is seeing. What ergonomic areas should I cover to be the most and beneficial to you? Please reply or e-mail infor@siteergonomics.com Thanks, Steve
Thanks for the answer. You're probably right, I'm probably leaning on it, at least when I'm using my tablet pen. I'm thinking of going to some kind of expert, just haven't gotten around to it yet. Might try acupuncture, worked for my tennis elbow, might work with my hand as well. Personally I would like it if you covered more hand and arms ergonomics, and equipment people can buy that is reasonable to use on a daily basis, that is also of course ergonomic. Sorry for the late response, and thanks again. Keep up the great work. //Adam
my right hand is stiff and not as fluent as my left,I use it everyday because i work on the computer,also i play guitar so its constantly in use,what would the best choice mouse be for me plz
So, what's your favorite, Steve? I really must stop using my laptop keyboard and tracking pad. I honestly don't know how I got this far. I'm considering a rollermouse or a trackball, or one of those sideways deals. What's your #1 choice?
If you like using the track pad, you could try an external one like the wacom bamboo. Choose the one that is most comfortable for you adn puts the least amount of pressure on the small bone on the comer of your wrist (pisiform)
Dr. Steve, I'm not sure I understand the problems with the Logitech M570. I have been using one for a long time. There are people who prefer it to the finger operated ones you show in your videos. I would have loved to give those finger operated ones a try, but the stores here in Dubai didn't have it. They only have stuff that appeals to gamers. However since Logitech is a great brand, they do sell the M570.. So that is what I got and I like it. It works well for me. Have not experienced any pain using it. My only pain comes in the form of a broken ego... can type a damn word without making too many mistakes. Even if I look at the keys. :)
Larger mice can supinate the hand and increase compression of the pisiform , small bone on the edge of the hand. This can cause compression of the ulnar nerve. But if it works for you it's probably OK.
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+Steve “The Ergonomics Guy” Meagher I am well aware of Dvorak & alternative layouts. I for one used Colemak; lesser known, but I think really good. julxrp.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/colemak-vs-dvorak/
I'm using a regular mouse, the one came with the computer. My middle finger gets very sore after a work day, especially the muscle connecting my finger to my palm. What mouse do you recommend?
Hello? I am a design engineer and using mouse for me is a lot of time. Any suggestion what will be the suited mouse for a designers who use long time like me. Thanks.
I tried some track ball mice, but found them difficult to control the track ball when trying to highlight a section of text. IMO, the ergonomic "upright" ones are the way to go.
Hello Dr Steeve, What mouse would you recommend for drawing in autocad? I have wrist and index finger pain. I have already tried the anker vertical mouse, but the buttons are a little bit hard to click and the mouse weight too much for me. I have a medium size hand.
Hello dr. Steve, thanks for the nice and informative video. What would you raccomend between evoluent and a trackball like the big kensington one ? I used the evoluent for an entire year and i find it 100x better than a normal mouse, but i still have elbow problem because i cant find a good sitting position. I'm thinking about alternating vertical and big trackball, would it be wise in your opinion? Ty again for the great video :)
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i would love a video explaining the different ergonomical positions ( standing up, chair with knee rest, chair without knee rest, chair without back rest etc. etc. )!
Thanks! Check out my video on the Kneely chair. I usually like a chair that has adjustable parts so you can move them throughout the day. Not a big fan of the balls or kneeling chairs.
Would be helpful if, rather than just telling the obvious points about the mice, you went more into the physical therapy related benefits of one design over another.
Gigagamer74 Ah, thank you! Does it work well? I was thinking about that one too! I was looking at evulent but that rollerone looks like it might work better.
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More information about the natural position of your hand in relation to the mouse and how your hand naturally fits on a vertical mouse in contrast to a traditional mouse where you have to force your hand and rotate in horizontal. Things like that.
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Viewer, Thank you for watching my ergonomics video and leaving a comment! I am creating new ergonomic videos and would like to know what you would be interested is seeing. What ergonomic areas should I cover to be the most interesting and beneficial to you? Please reply or e-mail infor@siteergonomics.com Thanks, Steve
Viewer, Thank you for watching my ergonomics video and leaving a comment! I am creating new ergonomic videos and would like to know what you would be interested is seeing. What ergonomic areas should I cover to be the most interesting and beneficial to you? Please reply or e-mail infor@siteergonomics.com Thanks, Steve
Thumbs way down because of the lousy audio. Using the camera's mic in a hard walled space is a really bad idea. Don't ever do it again, please. Use a lapel mic next time and give your audience decent audio. Video with bad audio is crap.
Are you serious? Who moves his mouse with his shoulder? All the movement and strain comes from the wrist...And then you go and say that a trackball like M570 is worse than that? This type of trackball has saved a lot of wrists out there. And the thumb is built to move like this unlike the wrist. With all those gamers out there using their thumbs for many hours daily have you ever heard of a thumb syndrome or sth?? Of course not...The problems come from the wrist and not the thumb...
I agree with you Alex, thanks for the comment. Trackball is best work mouse IMO. I have one at home and one at work. I even seriously considered buying the new version ($100) but will wait for price to go down.
The key is to use it few hours a day for 3m months, so that muscle can develop because those muscle group are not normally used. But nowadays many want instant result and turn down this mouse. They (including this therapist) is missing out on a great value ergonomic mouse.
the daddest youtube channel ever. love it.
It some effort to find a video that's not made to sell you something in 2019.
Meme vids
This video made me want a Vertical Mouse. I can't afford hurting my arm anymore with a small regular mouse. "Really Microsoft? like do you think I'm 5 years old? Giving me such a tiny mouse!"
Great to see a professional go through such a large assortment. Saved me countless hours.
Logitech's trackball is the best work mouse IMO. It stopped my hand pain shortly I started to use it. I now have been using it for over a year working OT and still no pain. The key is to give it 3 months so that thumb muscle develops and tiredness will fade.
Hi, I started using trackball like 3 day but my thumb muscle starts hurting. I give up but you said that need 3 months and then stops?
@@maticzoran9354 first off, I still use the trackball mouse and feel most comfortable using this type of mouse for work. To clarify, I did have to switch between regular mouse and Logitech mouse until eventually I am used to the logitech mouse.
@@maticzoran9354 btw, do not use wrist pad of any kind (standalone or one that comes with mouse pad/keyboard).
@@maticzoran9354 how is it feeling 2 weeks down the line?
@@TheBanned0ne For me it is great. I set the sensitive to the maximum and that’s it. I use it every day for 3d modeling 8h+.
4:31 although it´s been only three weeks since I got the Logi MX Ergo, I couldn´t be happier, your thumb muscles don´t get tired at all, the way your wrist rests over the mouse it´s much more natural than the rest of the mice show here. I was very sceptical at first about how long it would take me to get used to it, and it was matter of a few hours.
Before commiting to a vertical mouse, or other ergonomic mice I suggest trying a "vertical mousepad" too. I got an early sample of one from Orb Control called a mouseramp. Too much to explain in a comment, but the highlights are use any normal mouse, don't drag your pinky finger like a vert mouse, more accuracy, and you may be pleasantly surprised just as I was. Simple but comfortable. Peace.
Please add links to the products you are mentioning in the video, maybe in order of appearance in the video?
I felt the same way with the Logitech trackball one after I bought it I asked myself how does it help?! There’s way more strain on my thumb!! What you said makes sense!!
this is really high professional approach in making youtube reviews. thank you
No, it really isn't. If it were, we'd have decent audio.
This is actually a piss poor video that should be trashed and shot again, this time using a lapel/personal mic to avoid much of the hard wall reverb we're getting in this video.
Thanks!
You have zero videos, keyboard warrior.
Oh good. Another no-content-keyboard warrior.
czcams.com/video/14m66VoT-Uw/video.html this has great audio lol
I thoroughly enjoyed your video, and being an older 'tech', I have been using mice for about 30 years. I have always been very aware of the ergonomics of mice and their uses. You explained things very well and your video was very informative. Thanks and keep up the good work. Grazie mille!
3,5 years later and these are still the options available for ergonomic pointers...
Wow you have been watching for 3.5 years! The basic mouse design has not changed much. There are more options in the vertical mouse category such as the penguin, and DXT. I will have a video on the DXT soon. (I just got one today)
It seems the engineers are so far up their own ass that they can't seem to dedicate themselves to perfecting a design that has been proven to work, instead mutating it every 2 years so that it loses features that were good and add a bunch of useless un-intuitive crap.
Take the G700s, it has the potential to be one of the best mice, the shape, ergonomics and features were almost flawless, though it is plagued by software issues and poor build quality of the buttons. Now instead of fixing the downfalls and perfecting the mouse they just drop it all together. The Mx Master is also another prime example of this. It got subtle improvements ergonomically, but then they totally screwed up the button placements to the point it's unusable.
The same can be said about keyboards. Today's keyboards are imo horrendously bad. The majority don't come with wrist-rests and the one's that do are not even close to hitting the mark. All they focus on now is RGB lighting and useless fluff.
This even extends into the realm of office chairs. Modern office chairs are mostly terrible. I have 30 year old chairs that have more features, function and comfort than any modern premium chair.
So much technology, so much talent but it's all wasted with poor direction and no feel at all for what people actually like.
/rant.
@@surg23 Yeah, it's like humans are erasing there memory every few years and have to make their very own experiences again everytime. Stuck in a loop of inventing old things.
Good point about the mouse with the trackball that is moved by your thumb. I bought one because it supposed to be ergonomic but now have all sorts of issues with my wrist. Would not recommend the Logitech M570
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this video changed my life. thank you
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Steve Meagher I get butt cramp.
Thanks for the info Steve - as a leftie it's very difficult for me to find a decent mouse. I'm particular about the shape, size and weight of a mouse. There isn't a tonne of left-handed support out there when it comes to mice/mouses. I spend on average 8-10hours per day on the PC. I'm currently using a logitech M705 mouse as it's size was the best of a bad bunch for me. I spent some time in the store trying out different ones, returning them and ended up settling on the M705 for now.
I came across your video here while researching ergonomic mouse. Im thinking about trying one of the vertical type ones and am super happy to just learn that there is a lefty version. I've been suffering quite badly for many years now with RSI in my left shoulder and am looking to try ease that pain a little.
I do switch between a mouse and a graphics tablet as I find the pen forces me to move more than my wrist but I find my fingers cramp up from holding the pen for long periods.
Would you recommend trying one of the vertical types ?
I'm also toying with the idea of 3D modelling my own mouse case to fit my hand exactly and having it 3D printed.
The review itself phenomenal. Great overview/advice as always.
Welp the intro music blew out my ear drum before the video even started
Good insights though.
Great Video! Almost bought the Logitech M570 and yes I doughted the thumbtrackbal too.
This guy is on point! Deserves more upvotes!
I'm currently in the Goldilocks zone where mice are concerned. It fits my palm perfectly, and is the perfect weight when the batteries are fitted. The problem is that buying from an online retailer is a hit and miss affair. I prefer to try them for size, before purchasing, I suffer from Carpal tunnel syndrome (due to diabetes) and I'm exceedingly particular about mice.
Styluses are pretty useful for navigating as well as graphics. Mine has supplanted my mouse for everything but gaming. The only downside is their desktop footprint. Wacom tablets are the best and have a batteryless stylus. I started with a 4x6(?) and was sold. I now have a 6x8 for added precision in graphics but it takes up a fair amount of space and the smaller one would do fine for most people.
Thank you for sharing this. It helped. I was still considering a trackball but leaning toward a vertical mouse. I'll go with the mouse now.
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Logitech m570... The only , correctly designed pointing device :)
Yes!!! M570 saved my wrist
@@gnepelohssa I just got mine in the mail. I LOVE it
You like the Kensington because it has a big ball, but what about that upwards angle? Isn't that anti ergonomic?
great video! working in vfx and game development so sitting a lot with game mouse also as an artist i have been using the Wacom more and it heps against getting strained muscles. its a good option for t hose who are interested in trying something different
fantastic video for me. really informed me of the options. bookmarking.
Thanks for this video, I learned more than with any other.
Thank for the review...saved me time.
Informative video thanks Steve! This has probably been asked already but which mouse do you use daily? Thanks :)
Great video! So, what do you think about the vertical mouse design? Anyone here who might have bought one and used it? What's your review, how comfortable is it? And which model you bought? Thanks in advance!
This video is really helpful
M570 saved my wrist. Moving mouse using your shoulder is the worst way to use a mouse. It causes stiffness and pain to Rhomboid muscles
Yeah...it's kinda sad that he doesn't necessarily know what he's talking about in this video.
Thanks...and about the 3M vertical mouse...
Steve, where did you get the information about thumb strain on the Logitech mouse? I bought one the first day they came out 13 years ago and have never looked back. Its just so comfortable and my hand is just completely relaxed after hours each day. I do look forward to seeing your take on the 3m upright mouse.
Hale,
Thank you for watching my ergonomics video and leaving a
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I am creating new ergonomic videos and would like to know
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I make insane hours behind my pc so my wrist started to hurt a lot, even though I was using a very comfortable Logitech Perfomance MX. I tried the nice looking Kensington Expert Trackball, but it requires me to lift my hand and move it quite a lot causing the top center part of my hand/wrist to hurt. I also felt less productive and awkward moving around and working the scroll wheel. It was also quite bulky on my desk. Because I still felt pain in my hand I put it aside.
Reluctantly I tried the cheap looking & feeling Logitech M570. To my big surprise using the little trackball with my thumb actually felt very intuitive. Within 5 minutes I was already quite productive working painlessly.
I had to get used to completely resting my hand on the mouse because no hand movement is required while it feels like my regular mouse in my hand. This is what I think Steve was doing wrong: try resting your arm on the table and your full hand on the mouse. It will should feel quite comfortable.
I actually like that the buttons and scroll wheel feel about the same as I'm used to but without the pain. I also find the back-forward buttons useful. I'm also very surprised with the battery life of the m570, it seems to last forever while my MX runs empty in a day. Another advantage is that it's wireless and pairable along with my Performance MX on the same receiver (so I have a spare receiver stored in one mouse now) and I can switch mice quickly.
So what don't I like about the M570? Well it looks and feels cheap (a bit plastic, light and I don't like the colors) so at 65 EUR I think it's way overpriced. I'd say it's worth 35 EUR but I don't have much choice. It's also a little small & lower compared to my much better looking performance mx and the scrollwheel feels way cheaper. However this is not a real problem and most mice feel and look cheap compared to the MX.
I spent days looking for a solution so I hope someone else will find this helpful. Try the M570, I think you'll be suprised.
I do appreciate your video but I must disagree about the M570. I understand it's personal but I think it serves it's purpose quite well.
You might try a vertical mouse. Sometime they can help.
Just ordered the Evoluent VerticalMouse 4 to try it. I'll let you know how it goes.
I do have carpal tunnel syndrome and I just recently got a vertical Anker mouse. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT.
Thnak you for the comment.I am glad it works for you. For a lot of people isolating the thumb can cause problems.
Steve Meagher I tried the Evoluent Vertical Mouse 4 but I sent in back within a few days. I still had to use my wrist, because my arm is not precise enough compared to tiny wrist movements (for my use), resulting in pain. That mouse position is quite awkward to me, it feels better in my upperarm but I had too little control and precision in any sensitivity. I would like to see someone working that mouse in a DAW because I really can't. My wacom tablet was way more precise with a pen. Maybe it's ok for more basic stuff.
I am very happy to say that I've been using the M570 for months now without any trouble and I have no pain in my wrist anymore. It's just a little less precise that a normal mouse but has some other advantages like never having to lift the mouse up. I've actually even resumed my gym routine without any trouble. I'm just saying this mouse is a lot better for some people than one might think!
Thanks, very good.
Nice video, mate. Which is the best mouse to get? I’m a man with medium to large hands.
Thank you so much Steve
amazing information for our bodies, ty
Dr. Steve,
Thanks for one of the most appreciated helpful videos.
I'm just curious why there's a problem with the logitech m570, the mouse that includes a trackball. Is it bad for a trackball position only, or is it bad for being a normal mouse too. Because I think it's shape and it, as a normal laser mouse, are good, and might be a better design as a laser mouse, than the other normal ones compared in this video.
Hab It is a bit of personal choice but typically the trackball will isolate the smaller muscles of the hand while a mouse encourages movement of teh arm and shoulder. If you like the track ball the larger the ball the better. Try and and use an open had when moving the ball. This way you aren't compressiong the wrist.
You're quite right, it does really put some tension on one's hand, especially for using it for first time,and it takes long time to get used to it and that adds to the problem.
And thanks, the open hand hint is VERY effective, it reduces the amount of tension alot, even in using normal mice.
Thanks for you reply.
iAlsohands freei+Steve “The Ergonomics Guy” Meagher
I am using a Logitech M570, went through 2 of them over the years, (use to Love them) but now i am in bad shape.
I've played guitar at an advanced level for 20+ years and for the last 3 weeks my right index and thumb (picking fingers) are getting numb every single time I play guitar for even 5 min. Also for the last week or so extended computer use is getting difficult.
HELP! I need to go hands free asap. I need the best set up i can find to save my hands. Was thinking both hands free (head tracking w/voice) and an ergonomics hands on at the same time.
Please advise of products to consider. TYTY
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it is no fun when your hand has become very weak , i have experienced that , sometimes i can do nothing for days thought of a standing one , what do you think? rhank you Steve
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Oh boy a gaming mouse that came with a laptop is too small for me! I’m going to buy a Logitech MX Vertical now!
I'm finding I need to get an ergonomic mouse. My right hand has some nerve damage from a dermatitis infection years ago and my hand gets numb. So I am planning on getting a vertical mouse of some kind. Hopefully I can find one that will fit me.
Great video, can you mention mouse name, in 2:32 this video. I need to buy that one
Shame you didn't do a video on microphones because you certainly need a good one.
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Hi I am Having a right index finger and tennis elbow pain. And small hands (17cm from longest finger to first crease of wrist). What Would you recommend for me?
question, so for trackballs with a larger ball like the kensington expert... you use your lower half of the hand? I was under the impression it's a finger-trackball?
Great video! One question though if you don't mind. I have been having pains in the fleshy area under my right hands little finger ( palm area ) for a long time. I don't really know why except that it could be due to excessive computer use. What mouse would you recommend? (P.s. It needs to still be usable for complex things like gaming and such. And also I already have a roller mouse for my left hand that I switch to from time to time.)
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Thanks for the answer. You're probably right, I'm probably leaning on it, at least when I'm using my tablet pen. I'm thinking of going to some kind of expert, just haven't gotten around to it yet. Might try acupuncture, worked for my tennis elbow, might work with my hand as well.
Personally I would like it if you covered more hand and arms ergonomics, and equipment people can buy that is reasonable to use on a daily basis, that is also of course ergonomic.
Sorry for the late response, and thanks again. Keep up the great work.
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my right hand is stiff and not as fluent as my left,I use it everyday because i work on the computer,also i play guitar so its constantly in use,what would the best choice mouse be for me plz
So, what's your favorite, Steve? I really must stop using my laptop keyboard and tracking pad. I honestly don't know how I got this far. I'm considering a rollermouse or a trackball, or one of those sideways deals. What's your #1 choice?
If you like using the track pad, you could try an external one like the wacom bamboo. Choose the one that is most comfortable for you adn puts the least amount of pressure on the small bone on the comer of your wrist (pisiform)
What is best for arthritis in knuckle joint of first finger?
Very interesting, thank you ! :)
Dr. Steve,
I'm not sure I understand the problems with the Logitech M570. I have been using one for a long time. There are people who prefer it to the finger operated ones you show in your videos.
I would have loved to give those finger operated ones a try, but the stores here in Dubai didn't have it. They only have stuff that appeals to gamers. However since Logitech is a great brand, they do sell the M570.. So that is what I got and I like it. It works well for me. Have not experienced any pain using it. My only pain comes in the form of a broken ego... can type a damn word without making too many mistakes. Even if I look at the keys. :)
Larger mice can supinate the hand and increase compression of the pisiform , small bone on the edge of the hand. This can cause compression of the ulnar nerve. But if it works for you it's probably OK.
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What is your opinion on keyboard layouts. Do you think that QWERTY is a cause for RSI and Carpal Tunnel syndrome?
I think over use is more of a problem than the layout of the keyboard. However there is a DOVARK ? Keyboard with a different key layout.
+Steve “The Ergonomics Guy” Meagher I am well aware of Dvorak & alternative layouts. I for one used Colemak; lesser known, but I think really good.
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I'm using a regular mouse, the one came with the computer. My middle finger gets very sore after a work day, especially the muscle connecting my finger to my palm. What mouse do you recommend?
which mouse did you show in this video that has the extra large tracker ball?
5:20 vertical mouse
How about the Microsoft® Sculpt Ergonomic Wireless Mouse that looks like a semi-sphere ? Too high?
im looking for an ergonomic trackball mouse that can connect to my phone via bluetooth.
Yikes! I haven't heard of one of those. Check on line of call the Human Solution they might know if something exists.
Hello? I am a design engineer and using mouse for me is a lot of time. Any suggestion what will be the suited mouse for a designers who use long time like me. Thanks.
what was the last one? Rollerbar mouse? Trying to google it.
So which type is better? Vertical?
Are the VM4R mouses wireless? Is that small thing in the top of them an anthena, or what is it?
I tried some track ball mice, but found them difficult to control the track ball when trying to highlight a section of text. IMO, the ergonomic "upright" ones are the way to go.
Thank You
Hello Dr Steeve,
What mouse would you recommend for drawing in autocad? I have wrist and index finger pain. I have already tried the anker vertical mouse, but the buttons are a little bit hard to click and the mouse weight too much for me. I have a medium size hand.
You might try this. czcams.com/video/sWx8LVI3d-A/video.html
Oh! Thank you very much...I will definitely try this!
What do you think about laptop trackpads, good idea? Or is better to get an ergonomic mouse?
They are pretty small . Hook up an external keyboard and mouse then raise the screen to eye level.
i am using a logitech g502. but i am gaming alot and need the sensor to be able to take the speeds that i'm moving my mouse at
I think the Corsair mice might help; They have a good shape and I think they are pretty fast.
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what the name of the keyboard that shown at 6:01
How do we contact u from another country
Will this get me to global?
Vertical mouse, DOne
Why don't you use a mic?
I need one the size of a turtle my wrist is f**** killing me, theyre all too small
Hello dr. Steve, thanks for the nice and informative video.
What would you raccomend between evoluent and a trackball like the big kensington one ?
I used the evoluent for an entire year and i find it 100x better than a normal mouse, but i still have elbow problem because i cant find a good sitting position. I'm thinking about alternating vertical and big trackball, would it be wise in your opinion?
Ty again for the great video :)
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i would love a video explaining the different ergonomical positions ( standing up, chair with knee rest, chair without knee rest, chair without back rest etc. etc. )!
Thanks! Check out my video on the Kneely chair. I usually like a chair that has adjustable parts so you can move them throughout the day. Not a big fan of the balls or kneeling chairs.
What about the ring mouse 2 ?????????????
While it looks cool I don't think it would be a good option as it is just too small for extended use. May be good for a short presentation.
WACOM INTUOS Pen Tablet! This helps a lot as well!
Thanks for the comment. The touch pads are a good alternative.
Would be helpful if, rather than just telling the obvious points about the mice, you went more into the physical therapy related benefits of one design over another.
5:57 Can you tell me what is the actual name of this mouse on 5:57 to make me found it out on a market and try it out ?
+Gigagamer74 sounds like he said the volermount mouse...?
cnith2 I found it. He said Rollermouse. Best one from this family of point device is RollerMouse Red.
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Ah, thank you! Does it work well? I was thinking about that one too! I was looking at evulent but that rollerone looks like it might work better.
+cnith2 I will tell you how does it works as fast as it come to me with help of our post. It's on the way. It will come to me in two week.
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Hi Steve, what's your opinion of Magic Trackpad?
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can this mouse use for gaming?
Any mouse but Trackball and Vertical can be used for gaming. find what's the most comfortable mouse to you though.
What are your suggestions for left handed oppressed minorities
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I expected more from a "Physical Therapist"
Really ? What were you expecting?
More information about the natural position of your hand in relation to the mouse and how your hand naturally fits on a vertical mouse in contrast to a traditional mouse where you have to force your hand and rotate in horizontal. Things like that.
Thanks for the feed back! You migh find this video more interesting. - Steve czcams.com/video/IM-VCAo0cxg/video.html
so, you are the ergonomic guy.. right?
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Small mouse -> just use your fingers to move it and not your entire wrist *facepalm*
+rbaleksandar thats awful for your wrist actually
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Thumbs way down because of the lousy audio. Using the camera's mic in a hard walled space is a really bad idea. Don't ever do it again, please.
Use a lapel mic next time and give your audience decent audio. Video with bad audio is crap.
Are you serious? Who moves his mouse with his shoulder? All the movement and strain comes from the wrist...And then you go and say that a trackball like M570 is worse than that? This type of trackball has saved a lot of wrists out there. And the thumb is built to move like this unlike the wrist. With all those gamers out there using their thumbs for many hours daily have you ever heard of a thumb syndrome or sth?? Of course not...The problems come from the wrist and not the thumb...
Your thumb can still cause wrist problems as the tendons still go through the wrist.
trackball mice are considered bad for the fingers! You'll develop RSI.
I agree with you Alex, thanks for the comment. Trackball is best work mouse IMO. I have one at home and one at work. I even seriously considered buying the new version ($100) but will wait for price to go down.
The key is to use it few hours a day for 3m months, so that muscle can develop because those muscle group are not normally used. But nowadays many want instant result and turn down this mouse. They (including this therapist) is missing out on a great value ergonomic mouse.