Why the FBI and the CIA Keep Lying to Each Other
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“Nebula supports the notion that the CIA had JFK Assassinated” is the wildest sponsorship segue I have heard in a while
Nebula supports suggesting the notion* big difference
Sounds like an ad transition from Behind the Bastards, tbh
Brings the viewership numbers up.
Thanks for the synonym
Why bother using quotations when that was never said.
I just imagine the NSA spying on both of them and laughing
👁️👄👁️
I was so close to saying the same, glad I saw your comment first. And now we're _all_ on their list!
I'm sure that the FSB is in on that drama as well.
*laughs in MSS*
You need to imagine?
Holy crap the beef with the IAA and the FIB is actually real?!
GTA
Pretty much, yeah. The CIA and FBI fucking HATE each other.
@@ARandomPersonKSI V
"Some of the government... some of it is pretty corrupt"
Yes, both are a *lot* less competent and capable than you think. There's a reason they don't advertise many successes.
FBI vs CIA is my favourite US plot
This actually happens every where in the world not just here.
@@MooShaka89 Hell, it happens with any gov't agency anywhere that have turf (and pensions) to protect.
My favourite is florida😂
Eventually they'll start kissing and procreate ... disgusting. Get the hose ready.
And for the soap opera fans, don't start making a relationship name for that couple please. We got enough 3-letter agencies as it is.
By the way, if it lays eggs I'm making an omelette.
@@MooShaka89 It comes down onto the matter of their paycheck, their agenda, and they often have different goals and methods for the very same mission; to protect the sovereignty and national security.
(some of them were legal, others are semi and less kosher, or a few (but perhaps a ton of their methods) are overtly illegal)
Imagine being capable of stopping horrible events but getting tripped up by bureaucracy
That's the Government.
It's not a bug, it's a feature.
The fact that such bureaucracy was developed after horrible event happened (use wiretapping to subvert democracy in your own country) totally fly over your head
Also Google will censor you if you start talking about how Biden doesn't just have the legal authority to shut down the border whenever he wants because he's the head law enforcement officer in the land but an obligation to uphold said laws in which he hasn't since he took office.
Not here to change your politics and views just to state facts.
He has told ICE and Border Patrol Officers to release illegals into our country, given them drivers license, cash cards and government funded housing with money that was allocated for the VA and the GI Bill.
He's in direct violate of the position he holds and has misused and underperformed as president of the United States of America.
11+ million illegal immigrants, of which already 250,000 have committed felonies and just as recently as two days ago murdered another American citizen.
All the blood falls on Biden. He decided to not enforce the law that was already in place. That is a failure of procedures and that is who a lot of idiots believe should still be our President.
I won't even get into economics and foreign diplomacy.
Also Google is censoring comments again.
They just being cute with each other. Like
“You hang up!”
“No you hang up! I know you’re tapping my line!”
“Oh my god sTOP you’re going to make my spill my drug shipment.”
"Oh my god, were you talking to the NSA?"
"No... wait, were you tapping my phone?"
"Of course"
'I love you so much. I promise, the NSA and I are just friends, and by friends, I mean im spying on them."
This comment 😂🤣
😂
NoHo Hank vibes ♥
They all have a big ego no one communicates and no one bothers to listen to the public I bet if they watch the news and listen to reports on the exact problem they could get stuff solved but no one bothers to hear or listen to each other opinions every one has a good skill or experience everyone has the ability to be the best in their different skills
"things that might have been a problem to the US, like Chile being a democracy"...
As a chilean, that hit hard 💀
Chile is the greatest country of Chile
I was an environmental researcher down in Puerto Williams for a long time and spoke often with many older people who lived through the Pinochet regime. Very disheartening and sad. Love the Chileans for their kindness, generosity, and passion for life!
A lot of countries in Central and South America can too
The behavior of the American government was extremely and utterly disgraceful and criminal.
@@dragon_nammigood thing they protected the US for decades to come by stabilizing the entire region and not causing massive drug cartels propped up by US money and US weapons to sweep through the lands like a roving horde of barbarians!
Meanwhile NSA doesn't need a warrant to do anything
Everyone talks about FBI and CIA spying, but almost nobody talks about the mass surveillance capabilities of the NSA despite how advanced they are in the field.
Kind of. There are FISA warrants for collecting information from US persons (which is distinct from but includes among others citizens and permanent residents), but they're not like normal warrants and are approved by FISC (the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court). The name "Intelligence Surveillance" should be an indication of its original purpose - counter intelligence, it was meant for spying on spies.
i mean, isn't that kinda the point of a "secret" surveillance agency? @@Anon_1003
John Oliver did
And the NRO is the _really_ secret one that watches everything from space. Very cool mission patches too.
Not even the government can trust themselves
I think what people don't realize when talking about _the_ government, they don't know they are actually talking about hundreds of small to large entities, all of which are separate from each other and not really controlled by the same people.
@@Bomkz I think you got CZcams and Discord mixed up because you used double underscores
@@hamza-chaudhry yeah, i don't normally use italics in youtube, but you're right.
@@Bomkz yeah, but there is a head if the executive branch
@@curtisbadio8836and they change every 4-8 years and just kind of slowly turn the ship and more or less go with the flow of what their security team tells them. As Sam said in the video, the only thing that came from 9/11 was changing one word in the law (way oversimplifying, I know), how much do you think a President is going to change?
Huh, so my neighbour ranting that the CIA knew about 9/11 wasn't totally bullshit?
The Coventry dilemma.
its more complicated than that. The CIA knew that those dudes were linked to AQ, but they really didnt have any evidence on a upcoming attack. They knew that they were in the US, they didnt know what they were up to, and they werent allowed to tell the FBI "hey, there are Al Qaida guys in the country"
Nope there's plenty of documents showing that they knew. Plus, we're the most powerful country in history, if someone wanted to destroy one of our most beloved buildings we would know about it
@@mustang8206
You're a smart American 👍
This was a big news story at the time. The CIA did not know that the Twin Towers were going to be attacked that day or anything, but they did know a massive attack was imminent, probably happening in the next few weeks. And they did have the people boarding those flights on a watch list. They warned the president multiple times and the warnings went unheeded.
Ain’t this basically the subplot to GTA V?
yes it is lmao
Yes. Much like many things in GTA, the FIB and IAA rivalry is a parody of the very real beef between the FBI and CIA.
Its the subplot to me shitting and farding myself
Rockstar generally bases their plots on real life stuff
That Morse code on screen literally says “we are being bad”
Ideally, the FBI exists to deal with crimes that cross state borders or done in the US involving foreign sources.
The CIA exists to collect information regarding possible hostilities by other countries.
Fairly simple and distinct objectives given when each organization was created.
But, since then, everything has become much more interconnected, especially regarding terrorism.
Both fall under the umbrella of Homeland Security, along with all the other alphabet organizations; ATF, CBP, ICE, DEA, NSA, LMNOP…
It reflects the fragmentation of American national security and defense priorities despite the long-held view that they were all connected to begin with. Civil Defense was replaced by FEMA and Homeland Security, while the Director of Central Intelligence was split up into Director of National Intelligence and Director of the CIA.
LMNOP needs more publicity :D
Ideally yes, realistically, the CIA is committing so many international and domestic crimes that the FBI cannot get a straight report from them because if they did 80% of the CIA personnel would be put behind bars.
Man, what about QRS, TUV, and WXYX?
I refuse to believe LMNOP is an actual agency. What's next, a news channel called ABC?
The CIA and FBI beefing is just hilarious 😂
I get the idea I've seen this one before sometime back in 2001
Meanwhile ABIN being the perfection of a inteligency agency.
@@the_expidition427 thats literally the video
shut up bot
Quite 😂
Did sam just say "our new show" when referring to a project sam from wendover is working on. Woah, someone might start to think they're the same person.
Conspiracy!!
@@christyrodrigue6628"But hey, that's just a theory"
@@Gomeshock 😂🥴😳😭
And they were roommates
@@Attaxalotl oh my god, they were roomates?
LOVE IT: "The CIA is santioned to kill God." THANK YOU FOR MAKING ME LAUGH.
Worth noting that the FBI is actually quite fond of FISA warrants. They love using them on foreign citizens, with the intention of listening in on US citizens, in the US, that speak with them. It's a great back door in to a wiretap warrant, where they can say " hey, we were listening to this one guy,m but this other guy, that we knew would call him, happened to call them and talk about crimes." Depending on your stance on warrant-less searches this can be a good or bad strategy.
The FBI and CIA beef is like a real life Spy vs Spy scenario!
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I use to read adventure books as a kid not realizing our world is just like a adventure book
holy shat... the bots are running wild in here... or is that the CIA...
so they don't really "lie" to each other, they just can't exchange information easily because law
Sometimes that "makes" them lie, like when they denied knowing in the example in the beginning.
They use that as an excuse to lie. It's not THAT difficult hurdle to do it right.
yeah, it is a law to not say anything to one another.
They failed to prevent (or in some extent, indirectly caused 9/11) but that's among many events which they are forced to work together.
@@ROBLOXGamingDavid well, I wouldn't use the word cause so lightly. but yeah. the road to 9/11 was paved with bad intelligence (among other things), even if they didn't drive the car
Of course they're fucking lying.
The cia is not supposed to operate in American soil but they do it any ways.
"In" and "on" are both prepositions, but can't be used interchangeably.
Even TV shows make fun of it. One latest example being The Rookie, when CIA comes to the suspected spy house and does everything, but they have FBI agent sitting on front seat of the car, doing nothing, so they act like that FBI agent is in charge - and give even his card to the cops. It's clear what it point at, that I'm surprised that CIA didn't take it down. Barely makes it as a joke.
@@Nagarath16 CIA didn't take it down cause, like, they can't. The US government can't just take down things it doesn't like; that's kinda the whole point of the USA
Meanwhile the FBI has offices in other countries despite being a domestic outfit. They just do whatever they want.
@@jellyrolls2765oh, sweet summer child. The CIA, like the DOD; has certain...relationships with the movie and TV industry. They can and sometimes do influence studios to "moderate" their portrayals in projects produced under the studios' aegis.
It's not a direct process; but the pressure to "moderate" such script content often can be felt in the production process and system.
"All the hits" Props to the writer who did that gem.
Sam... FYI "FISA" isn't pronounced like a Visa credit card, it's "fai-zahh". But yup, all the intelligence agencies have beef with each other, not just CIA and FBI. We also created the new Director for National Intelligence to sit over all these people, but that is going about as well as you expect.
I wanted to correct the pronunciation so bad lol thank you.
tbf part of the reason why there's now a separate DNI is that having the DCIA also be the DNI caused a lot of problems and was too much for one guy.
If it wasn't for Bush breaking the law, we wouldn't have even known that FISA courts existed. A FISA court judge had to resign in order to tell ppl about it.
In the last few Nebula ads Sam keeps saying his videos on Nebula and showing Wendover videos. This is really confusing because he made it very clear that HAI Sam, Wendover Sam, and Sam from that third small channel no one cares about just happen to have the same name and sound the same and then makes this blunder of showing the wrong Sam's video. This has made me think of something. Sam has multiple personalities. Each one is named Sam, sounds the same, likes nerdy stuff, and runs their own channel but sometimes since he is one person he makes the mistake and sometimes accidently posts things like the Nebula ad. Now that this revelation of Sam's issue has come to light we as fans of all the Sam's work must come together in one big CZcams network and support him though this tough time as he works though the bombshell about his mental status. We love you Sam and will get you though this.
This is more prevalent than you think. The federal government is not monolithic. Like immigration cannot ask IRS or SSA for info. Why? They want tax money and can care less about your legal status to work. Some agencies work together but have different endgames. Some are admin, some LEO. “Third agency rule”. So many examples.
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The federal govt is run by the president. If the president wants something done, he can ignore Congress and fire his way down the chain. Most presidents don't care about 99% of problems, so they don't, but the president runs the largest govt in world history.
missed the fact that same government agency went after people like John Lennon and Bob Marley and the N64 DD.
What does the Nintendo 64 Disk Drive have to do with this? What's the story here?
@@icouldntcomeupwithagoodname some bad myths that involve the CIA that they cannot confirm or deny
@@icouldntcomeupwithagoodnameidk man
Crazy ad segue haha, especially considering that Sam is CCO of Nebula
Oh shit he is?
That's an S-tier segue from the video topic to the Nebula plug. Well done.
Spy vs Spy
Intelligence agencies keep info from eachother all of the time. You have no idea who is compromised in the other organization
You also might not know who's compromised in your own organization. And/or you may know who is compromised in whichever group, and want to exploit that knowledge with false information. None of which makes your point incorrect, though.
I don't know why this is just half as interesting, this seems overflowing interesting.
Sam is about to receive the highest award in journalism
Another brilliant video about BRICKS! 😅😂😂
Love your channel and the information. What are your thoughts on the nebula and second thought situation.
If you read the 9/11 Commission, its a bit more complicated than just "two gov't agencies not talking to each other".
Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk!
Yeah Pres Bush had to plan it somehow
another great brick video! Keep up the hard work!
The classic "pot calling the kettle black situation where one thinks the other has more leaks that basket for a bucket.
Ben Doyle, whatever the writers name is... we love you for helping to make this gem
*This* will Dash my faith in the government? What faith? 🤔
“Feesa!” 😂
When on earth doesn't the FBI petition the Attorney General saying 'We are currently investigating person X with regards to situation Y, Z and W. Can you please instruct the CIA to give us information they may have on this person." The AG can determine if the request is reasonable, and in the interests of the American people.
Whilst the information supplied by the CIA would not be of courtroom-standard, it would give the FBI other leads to follow so they could investigate to get such evidence.
An excellent book related to this topic is 'The Looming Tower' by Lawrence Wright. It covers the rise of al-Qaeda and the period from the founding of AQ to 9/11 which is a fascinating period of time. There was more than just the Justice Department law that stopped them communicating: clashing egos of the heads of the bin Laden depts at both FBI & CIA. There's also a TV adaption that has Jeff Daniels as the head of the FBI team which is pretty good as well
I've always heard FISA pronounced "figh-za"
This video is actually genuinely underated and damm.
"That sounds bad, how could this happen" should be rebranded to "That sounds bad, I bet it's even worse"
Hi Sam!
Who watches us? The FBI. Who watches the FBI? *Amy.*
the FBI vs the CIA is like the IRL version of Ninja v Ninja
There are people who have been investigated by the FBI and convicted for work they had been doing for the CIA.
Good old FBI & CIA issues. XD
I dont know as I'd *want* the FBI and CIA able to work hand-in-hand; it'd be like the panther teaching the alligator to climb trees, in exchange for being taught how to swim really fast.
Alligators can climb trees!
Unlimited budgets and unlimited- perhaps mismanagement, corruption, or bad luck. I’d hope that they get lucky more often
That was kind of a circular argument. The FBI has to follow Title III to collect evidence that will hold up in court... but what will hold up in court is whatever is in Title III. And it could literally be identical to FISA.
No kidding, reading this chapter in The Black Banners right now
3:39 chile mentioneeeeeed
Well, that's the point of Homeland Security. It's is supposed to be the bridge between the two.... But it could also be just another department hiding secrets from other departments/agencies.
Keep lying to each other?
No sweetpea. You have it all wrong. They're lying to you.
Ali Soufan was the FBI agent trying to get that CIA info. Think he could have gotten at least 2 of the hijackers and maybe could have put 2 and 2 together for the others..
Good bricks video. Learned about bricks a lot.
a minute of silent for ben having to read through all those statues and court rulings and whatnots
"undermine our faith in the executive branch of the American Government"
We still have faith in any branch of the government?
This is POSSIBLY the greatest ad segue i've ever heard oh my god HAHA
Some of the most lied to people are people with security clearances are determined to not having the need to know.
so fbi is like when a friend is asking you for a pen but if you (cia) want to lend him a pen you must ask your mom for permission which is a hustle so you don't and just pretend you don't have it?
Sounds like Ben just read The Looming Tower, and got just as angry and frustrated as I got 😂
“They failed to work together for the JFK assassination”
Sure they did…. That’s what happened
Conspiracy disguised as incompetence.
wow ben he's filmed 9, probably 10 seasons of jet lag with you and he still doesnt know your name? thats rough buddy.
Theres theorys that if our organizations could collude better, then certain tragedies might have been less severe
There’s a really good series about this on Hulu called looming towers. Such a good show
I love the music at the beginning! What's the name of the track
That Nebula transition tho
Interesting Video.. BTW whenever I hear a reference to the Document/Law @ 2:36, I have only heard it pernounced as the F-eye-sa Law.
The assassination bit totally undermines your credibility
Make this a full video please
Its an honestly excellent course of action despite the situation of possibly losing jurisdiction over it. Whats best I believe is an independent source confirming suspicions. Unfortunately there would be noone to independently confirm suspicions for the ones asking for it.
Glad to see my tax dollars are going to beef between 2 bloated agencies instead of something useful
At a far more fundamental level, this is about bureaucratic prioritization and incentives, not any real rivalry between agencies or anything particular about any government. But, organizational management discussions don't get clicks.
Both can't lie to IRS
Boy do I have some news for you about black budgets
They try but the IRS wants the money
Just a point of order: we don't pronounce FISA as "fee-sah," it's "fai-suh" - like the "fi" in "five."
You're assuming we HAVE any faith in the executive branch of the US government. Or the legislative or judicial branches for that matter.😮
Wait, so the FBI watching my internet meme should actually be the CIA?
"Whatever my writer's name is" LMAO
Im wheezing after the title
Yes and no. They knew and they didn’t.
They knew an attack was imminent. They didn’t know when and where.
chile mentioned chile mentioned chile mentioned
(devuelvan el moai)
Competition doesn't like competition . No honor among liars and thieves 🤣
Second time through and still don't know what this episode is about cause I'm jamming to that sweet background track.
I dont like how this channel has changed
good work, Whatever, thanks for all your efforts! :)
The reason is simple: politics.
Not the 2-party crap show but the politics that arises when people work for years, at the same organisation.
Long term employees/members everywhere protect their information, protect their jobs, protect their turf, even if it's detrimental to the organisation, or society. Be it the near-retirement middle managers at utility companies, or the E4 Mafia in the military.
Both organizations controlled by the Cigarette Smoking Man aka. William B. Davis 🤣
You could have added about one paragraph to the end of the video to tie these failures to the creation of DHS
2:37 the law pictured is FISAA, not FISA
“Whatever my writers name is” lol
What part of the greatest game of hide and seek ever don't you understand
Hey, I enjoy this channel, but a few notes. Personally I found the video is incredibly misleading and could have done better.
A) Most of the examples provided were more than 2 decades old, the Agency today isn't what it was pre-GWOT. The wild and reckless caricature is also painfully inaccurate,. Definitely since the 90s, the agency is one the most regulated and restricted federal agencies out there. If it makes a move, its because of NSC direction and approval. But an intelligence agency is an intelligence agency, and you can expect the usual 'grey man' stuff
B) It is more complex than that, though in simplicity, CIA collects intelligence by pursuing leads, the FBI pursues cases to prosecute. They hoped to avoid any of the participants of the 2000 KL Summit from being arrested, in hopes they would lead to bigger fishes and revealing intelligence.
C) They didn't just change a single wording as you put, they reorganized the entire US IC. Introduced new agencies, most prominently, replacing the DCI,(Director of Central Intelligence) with the DNI (Director of National Intelligence), which included the office of the DNI, which also includes the National Counter Terrorism Center- that combines efforts and personnel from CIA, FBI, DHS, DOD and other agencies, for more extensive cooperation, and sharing of intelligence. The FBI and CIA worked more extensively than people think, even before 9/11 (they exchanged 'hostages, or exchange officers for each other's liaison ).
Also, for what its worth, I don't think they killed Kennedy. They aren't as competent or powerful as you think, to actually pull it off without a hitch. And to think how little monopoly they would have over other agencies, say, the Secret service, or the FBI (especially with Hoover in charge) whose cooperation before, during and after would be critical for it to even succeed. The constant cover ups and lack of cooperation from various agencies was more likely to conceal ongoing anti Cuban operations in Cuba, mixed with desire to deescalate from going to war with the Soviet Union. But really, what do I know. I read, and don't always have all the facts.
The Looming Towers is a good reference. I believe Hulu also made tv series about it.
Meanwhile, the NSA does whatever the hell it wants to, and anyone who complains (*cough* Julian Assange *cough*) gets a prison sentence.
Damn this was a well written video by my favorite writer
GTA 5 be like
Great video.
I like that ae have so many different organizations because it keeps everyone accountable. Even federal prosecutors will bust corrupt feds