'Legolas. Your mother loved you. More than anyone. More than life.' -So do I. I believe it's Thranduil's way of telling Legolas that he loves him. It's hard for someone like Thranduil to speak that out
he is not comparing other mother's love with legolas mother's love. he is saying that she loved him more than anyone, like, there wasn't anyone in the world that loved him more than that. it's not a comparison. its a fact. it's a statement
Just a Little consideration: "His father is a good man. His son, he might grow to be a great one." AND FROM THE SMIRK IN LEGOLAS'S FACE YOU KNOW THAT HE UNDERSTOOD: Thranduil was speaking about themselves too! I'm crying
+Jo Tallo Not just any Lord of the Rings music. It's Aragorn's Theme. It's really interesting to hear the music develop throughout the films. Even these movies, you can hear themes being born and growing. It's more apparent in the original trilogy.
@Javier It's Aragorn's version. Aragorn doesn't really have a dedicated theme, nor does anyone else really. His 'theme' is the Fellowship theme in high, heroic brass horns, as Legolas adds strings and Boromir lower brass like the bassoon. It's all in the Extended Soundtrack booklets.
@@WingedWithFireyMana I feel cheated. I apparently don’t hear music like other people, not the way I should. If someone hadn’t pointed the music out I wouldn’t have known any music was playing. It’s all like background noise, like when people are talking in another room. Do most people notice the music and how it changes? I was in my twenties before I knew that most people listened to the words in songs. I just listened to the music.
It's not "Aragorn's theme", it's the Fellowship leitmotif. Individual characters don't have their own devoted parts in it. The first time this particular portion of the leitmotif plays is when Sam steps out of the Shire for the first time in his life, to go with Frodo. It's got nothing to do with Aragorn. I just feel sad you cheated 39 people with your bullshit commentary.
For anyone wondering Thranduil's role in Lord of the Rings; The Elven King is still alive during the events of the war of the ring, still in Mirkwood, which has become green and healthy again. Thranduil himself is fighting massive armies sent by Sauron in the north, and we learn the Elven King defeats those armies and successfully prevents the north from falling to Sauron. Shortly after, Thranduil and Celeborn meet in the forest, and agree to rename Mirkwood “Eyrn Lasgalen,” The Wood of the Greenleaves. It is then stated that Thranduil and his people live in peace, quite unbothered. The King's history stops there, and we do not know wether he left for the West before or after his son did.
Legolas just happened to be at the Council of Elrond. He was sent by Thranduil to report the news that Gollum, who was put in the custody of the Elves of Mirkwood by Aragorn (aka Strider at the time) had escaped. This is how the Council knew why the Nine were tracking "Baggins". It was pure 'coincidence' that Legolas, Gimlee, Galdor, Boromir, etc found themselves at the Council. 'Coincidence' which, like a lot of things in LOTR, is but the hand of Eru.
@@dilsher1925 No that was actually never confirmed in fact the more accepted theory that I have seen is that he never went West instead he remained the greatest among the elves to remain in middle Earth except perhaps Maglor if he lived. But he likely would have stayed to continue ruling over the Sindar and Silvan elves who elected to stay in Middle Earth and perhaps even the only other tribe who had no desire to go West and that being the Avari
0:01- 0:10 This is so sad because Thranduil was desperatly looking for his son and it's noticeable how anxious is he when he can't find him. Then Legolas walks in and Thranduil's face lightens up and looks like he's so overjoyed he could hug and kiss his son right there 0:13. But then Legolas says immediatly "i cannot go back" and you can sense the deep hurt on Thranduil's heart. He supress his emotions but he's fighting. At the end that "Legolas...your mother loved you more than anything, more than life" is like a desperate cry of help, it's almost he wants to say "please don't go, I love you more than my own life, if you go i'll have lost everything" 😢😢😢 and when Legolas leaves Thranduil looks like he might cry. My poor Thrandy 😢
Nehemiah Cross it's a gesture were they lay the hand on their hearts and push it outward toward the other. It means something like: my heart for you is open / I reach out to you :)
For all those who think that Legolas doesn't want to see his father anymore, it isn't true. Yes, Legolas said he cannot go back because he's disappointed in his father. But that doesn't mean he chose to disown him entirely. Legolas eventually forgives him. Even while Legolas goes to be with Aragorn, Legolas sometimes chose to visit his father.
+Marguerite21 Okay, can some one explain because this scene makes no senes when legolas father send legolas to find the young ranger named Strider(Aragon). How the fuck does this works cronological because the Hobbit movies sets like 60 years before lord of the rings and in that Aragon is in atlest his thirtys or fourtys.
+Gustav Ljung Aragorn was 87 in the lord of the rings. He only looks so young because he is a direct descendant of Nueminorians. If you read the books and the lore behind it, he lives to be over 200 years old.
In the movie-verse, Thranduil will also certainly see his wife again someday, because all Elves are re-embodied in Valinor after they die, except those who did truly wicked deeds like Fëanor and those who refuse like Finwë. Odds are that Thranduil’s wife was not among either of those groups. (In Tolkien’s actual lore, we’re not told anything about Legolas’ mother but I like to believe she is in fact alive during the events of LOTR.)
the part that i like about this scene is when Thranduil says his son might grow to be a greater one he was also putting greatness in Legolas too but Legolas didn't really get that.
Indeed. I haven't seen many people pick up on that. So thank you for this comment. He was projecting so hard there. If he has known about Strider and like other elves, he is blessed with some kind of foresight, then he would have sensed that Legolas will have some role to play in the upcoming war. This was Thranduil understanding why Legolas might require some space and offering that understanding by giving him a purpose. While telling him that his mother loved him (just as I do, son) and that while he could have been a better dad, Legolas was a good son.
Legolas wasn't mentioned in this book but I'm glad they add him in the movies, it's explained why this young elves prince not related to Elrond know Straider/Aragorn so much in first TLoTR. I admitted I was bit confused when Legolas defend Aragorn from Boromir insult on his status, it was like "wait, did you just came about the same time with Boromir ?" 😁
I think Legolas did understand what Thranduil was saying. Although a close-up of Legolas prevents us SEEING things below the camera, Clips of this scene show Legolas extending his hand back to his father. Thranduil sees it and BOWS to his son...a king bows to a prince. Oh yes, Legolas got the message and responded with love to his father...as his father did to him.
It's really funny knowing that in the timeline of the books and move--Aragorn would literally be a ten year old kid. So Thranduil basically sent his son to go babysit.
In the film continuity, the timeframe of Gandalf's investigation into the One Ring is reduced from 17 years to a few weeks at most. So if we account for that, 87 year old LotR Aragorn would be 27 at the time of the hobbit.
what comforts me is that we know legolas goes home eventually since he was his father's ambassador to the council of elrond and he knew what was going on in mirkwood. so he just calmed down then went back to the forest.
Just realised in this scene, the worry look on Thranduil’s face when he’s looking down: he’s looking for for his son. Hoping he’s not dead. ❤️❤️ Lee pace is so amazingly brilliant at playing Thranduil.
She is not at peace, she is not even dead. Elves can not die until Arda itself dies. They are immortal in spirit and upon death they are summoned to the Halls of Mandos and there they stay for some time until they are reincarnated into Valinor again, their marital bonds remain upon death, so eventually she would see Thranduil and Legolas again.
"Your mother loved you. More than anyone. More than life." Gundabad: "My mother died there..." HOLY CRAP DID LEGOLAS'S MOTHER DIE DEFENDING HIM?! MY FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELS!
Supreme Grand Master Azrael Tolkien used to make up characters and back stories as it fit the lore at the time. Legolas was created for Lord of the Rings. He was quoted as saying that he wanted to go back and redo The Hobbit in the theme of Lotr but there wasn't much time for that. If he had, he would have fleshed out Thranduil's back story further and consequentially, Legolas'. Its really lazy of folks to go, Tolkien didn't write anything about the wood elves, so they did nothing and were unimportant in Middle Earth :)
@@anitak3985 It wasn't laziness. Sadly Tolkien didn't have the time. Sure modern authors like JK Rowling and GRRM have so much free time on their hands that they go and retcon their characters for tokenism or procrastinate. Tolkien wasn't like that. He had a job to do and a family to support. He didn't even have the time to fully finish Silmarillion. Quite saddening.
Though not shown in the films or books, Thranduil and Arathorn must have been great friends and comrades in their younger days. It is a great joy that years later their sons Legolas and Aragorn would become friends, comrades and brothers.
Arathorn died very young for a Dunedain. I may misremember but probably only in his late twenties. Aragorn was only two years old when Arathorn died. I can't think of anytime that Thranduil would have been able to "meet" Arathorn. Thranduil fought with Arathorns' many times great grandfathers Isildur and Isildur's father (along with Gil Galad and Elrond) in the war of the last Alliance of Elves and Men. Thranduil and Elrond probably weren't very close, either since Elrond was a Noldor and Thranduil was a Sindar and there was bad blood between those two races of Elves since the first age. BTW, Thranduil was born near the end of the first age, so would have already been quite old and the King of Mirkwood by the time Arathorn was born in the third age (late third age)
@@martyadams3172 , even if Thranduil is a Sindar, I do not think he and Elrond would have such a conflict because each of them are Sindar and Noldor. Elrond is also part Sindar, and King Thingol was more or less ok with the marriage of Beren and Luthien.
@@benedictkiswanto4692 It's not made perfectly clear, is it? But because his father Orophor was a denizen of King Thingol's kindom, we must presume that he, at least is a Sindar. We have no idea who Thranduil's mother is, though. Orophor was made King of the Silvan elves in Greatwood BY the Silvan elves as they must have thought him superior to themselves. But Orophor (and his followers from Menegroth) wanted get away from the more civilized aspects of the Sindar, and even moved twice to keep away from Noldor influence and so adopted Silvan language and lifestyle. That is clearly written by Tolkien. And most folks presumed Sindar origins for Thranduil and Orophor.
Despite the obvious changes to the book........there was not one single scene that was not done so superbly. And this between father and son, and his speaking to her about the love being real. Masterful performances.
@@elryt_nyfa When the king speaks to Tauriel about her love being real, and that is why it hurts. Not one to say i ever met an elf.....but my guess is Tauriel is female. And they do not subscribe to identity, fluidity, pronouns, or any of our whatever you want to call it we have to.
For a stern and strict king, this was hard for him. He needs to keep his law. Even as Legolas departs, he gave his son direction and purpose. Truly a good king. He may be stern and stubborn but he is sentimental. Those gems from his wife and his son are his soft spots
@@TJ-fe7rr Agree, and except for his greed for "treasure" he is portrayed in the original book as someone who was not so strict and emotionless. In the movie it's Bard who wants to treat with the dwarves to prevent a war, in the book it is Thranduil who wants to talk with Thorin so as to avoid conflict. And it's the ELVES, at Thranduil's command, not the dwarves who first move to fight with the Orcs.
Greatest foreshadowing scene of the whole hobbit trilogy imo. Little did legolas know he would meet one of the greatest battle partners he could ever have, as well as befriending a dwarf and fight along side him as well.
The back story left out is that Thranduil’s wife was whom those jewels were meant for. So him raising a whole army to go fight the dwarf king for them is him wanting to recuperate a piece of his wife. And in delete scenes, Gandalf tells him his wife left him more than unworn jewles. She left him a son. But he’s unable to say so directly so he indirectly says so instead.
Thandruil makes it easy to understand that being king has its challenges that harden a heart over time He has trouble expressing feeling, emotion and compassion but in the end we can see his true character
Thranduil chose to send him in aragon's direction because he knew he wouldn't have to worry about searching for him among the dead. Safe place to be. Wise elf!
The hobbit movies have their flaws, but I love this one scene in particular. If you listen closely you can even hear a few notes of the fellowship theme as he speaks about Aragorn. It’s a lovely bit of reference to the lotr trilogy
Excellent scene, "your mother loved you, more than anyone, more than life." Of course its all speculation, but its like the writers wanted to convey that Legolas' mother possibly gave her life for him. And obviously Thranduil loved her. Possibly resenting her choice, not for the sake of his son but of his own heart. The liberties they took with this writing was well executed.
He was not indifferent, but mostly overtaken by his own grief and felt betrayed by the dwarves. At that moment he genuinely thought he could simply keep his own borders safe and care not for the outside. But as events progress and the war unfolds, he will eventually change his approach. Let's not forget that during the war of the ring he kept the north from falling on Sauron's hands, fighting with his army and easing some of the battle that was going on south, towards Mordor.
I see a lot of debate about Thranduil's meaning behind the words "your mother loved you more than anything, more than life" - perhaps the words are just as simple and as complicated as that. He likely hasn't spoken much of Legolas' mother to Legolas, if anyone at all, so hearing *something* would be a great salve - and perhaps its just a stating of a very simple, very powerful truth.
+Curseco I think it makes sense. Elf's ain't stupid. He probably know who Aragon is but wants Legolas find out on his own and make his own judgement about him. And instead of just sending him away on some random journey, he pointed him in Aragon's direction so he could help him out.
Plot twist: Thranduil and Aragorn just can’t remember each other’s names for the sake of their lives like “Legolas son of… of the woodland realm” And in turn “His father Arathorn was a good man” “What’s his name?” *fuckfuckfuck* “…He is known in the wild as Strider”
Thranduil actually had a role in the war of the ring but it was behind the scenes in the year March 15 3019 of the ta sauron sent his forces from dolgol dur to attack mirkwood and in the end thranduil and his forces were victorious.
Even though thranduil didn't admit it you could tell he wanted to admit his love for him cause thranduils character was depicted as arrogant and snobby, but in the end he really had a heart underneath all that pain and grief.
Yeah I totally agree there'd for sure would've been a touching re-write: Thranduil: "Legolas. Your mother loved you. More than anyone. And so do I".(Elven hand gesture goodbye). Legolas returns goodbye gesture and walks out. Thranduil has a look of deep sadness as he watches his son leave him.
Christoph Grambach he lived with Aragorn in Minas Tirith and then when Aragorn died he sailed to the undying lands with Gimli, making him the first and only dwarf to do so.
katieredhead,ah ok cool,many thanks for the info :), i jsut remember that gandalf,elrond nd frodo sail to the west, legolas and gimli,no plan,tzhe one i know,is that gimli build the gate of minas tirith ,with pure mithril,kind regards
I believe there's a 15 years gap between the book timeline vs the movies, that's how long the time Gandalf the grey finally know about Bilbo ring is the one ring in the book.
"his true name, you must discover for yourself." "you just told me his name was Arathorn." "no, I said that's what his father was named." "I'm close though, right?" "Fuck you, son. Find the Dunadyne."
Thranduil has may have made mistakes and his wife's gems may have blinded him, but at least the gems were not enough to make him forget and disrespect the worth of man. When he said that 'Strider's' father Arathorn was a good man, it gave me goose bumps, for in Middle Earth's history men and elves have always been close allies and friends despite some rocky moments; Thranduil praising Strider's father shows that many years of friendship and respect between men and elves have not faded despite the Woodland King's initial obsession with his wife's gems, though in the end I heard he got them back after all.
Hey Amazon! This is what elves are supposed to look like! Your Galadriel needs a hairbrush and a scrunchy half the time, and Celebrimbor needs some anti-aging cream! Arondir could have some longer hair, too.
Yo Legolas, I know you know all this because like me you are thousands of years old and remember it from first hand experience, but the heirs to the thrones of Gondor and Arnor hang out in Rivendell, you've met loads of them. Well currently the heir is a ten year old boy, I will tell you his dad's name and the nickname that he will be given in the future by some villagers I've never heard of but I won't tell you his real name for some reason. He's in the north, by which I mean the west, because you know where Rivendell is having been there many time over the millennia, and you could hardly expect a ten year old to be gadding about the withered heath where there is literally dragons and not much else.
This moment is so sad and powerful because it shows a very rare human side of the elves that is never seen. A terrified father, desperately looking for his lost child and a son to hurt to reach out.
Go west , there is a young hobbit you should meet . His first breakfast was good , his second breakfast might be a great one
Elevenses? Luncheon? Whatever McDonald's offer lands at 4pm?
Just don’t feed him Lembas bread
Fool of a took
Gimli: hehehehehehehehe
'Legolas. Your mother loved you. More than anyone. More than life.' -So do I. I believe it's Thranduil's way of telling Legolas that he loves him. It's hard for someone like Thranduil to speak that out
Point taken.
But said that and hugging tight and he said ada please stop I still doing that anyway
King fabulous too above admitting his feelings
@@kingthranduilofwoodlandrea9798 when did he say ada?
Well said.
Thranduil loves Legolas more than his own life
yup you are damn right!
its his own flesh and blood so yeah
gay
He just didn’t know how to say it or show it.
Like most fathers.
Oh Thranduil, we all know it is not only his mother that loves him more than life :)
yeah we knew he did..
yes ;)
he is not comparing other mother's love with legolas mother's love. he is saying that she loved him more than anyone, like, there wasn't anyone in the world that loved him more than that. it's not a comparison. its a fact. it's a statement
seraphie yea cone on Thranduil
seraphie yep everyone knows she wasn't the only one :)
I saw in an interview that Lee Pace considered this one of the most emotional scenes he was involved in.
That’s good to hear. He did a great job, this scene always gets to me emotionally.
these movies get to me in a fuck you this sucks way
Idk dude. His anger at being called “boy” was intense.
Just a Little consideration:
"His father is a good man. His son, he might grow to be a great one."
AND FROM THE SMIRK IN LEGOLAS'S FACE YOU KNOW THAT HE UNDERSTOOD: Thranduil was speaking about themselves too! I'm crying
...what a catch.. I havent even considered this... Thank you
@@Leon5495 When I first saw this scene I hadn't watched lotr, so I thought thranduil was talking about them but giving themselves weird names haha
@@memycousins4784 You watched Hobbit after Lords of the rings ? How old are you cause LOTR was made in the early 2000s.
@@emperoriithepenguin8608 I watched the hobbit before lotr
@@emperoriithepenguin8608 Ouch, I watched LOTR (back then, in cinema) before Hobbit. So... I'm considered... old? ;(
I like the Lord of the Rings music when Thranduil says "You must find out for yourself."
+Jo Tallo Not just any Lord of the Rings music. It's Aragorn's Theme. It's really interesting to hear the music develop throughout the films. Even these movies, you can hear themes being born and growing. It's more apparent in the original trilogy.
@Javier It's Aragorn's version. Aragorn doesn't really have a dedicated theme, nor does anyone else really. His 'theme' is the Fellowship theme in high, heroic brass horns, as Legolas adds strings and Boromir lower brass like the bassoon. It's all in the Extended Soundtrack booklets.
This few seconds are my favorite among all movies I've watched so far.
@@WingedWithFireyMana I feel cheated. I apparently don’t hear music like other people, not the way I should. If someone hadn’t pointed the music out I wouldn’t have known any music was playing. It’s all like background noise, like when people are talking in another room. Do most people notice the music and how it changes? I was in my twenties before I knew that most people listened to the words in songs. I just listened to the music.
It's not "Aragorn's theme", it's the Fellowship leitmotif. Individual characters don't have their own devoted parts in it. The first time this particular portion of the leitmotif plays is when Sam steps out of the Shire for the first time in his life, to go with Frodo. It's got nothing to do with Aragorn.
I just feel sad you cheated 39 people with your bullshit commentary.
For anyone wondering Thranduil's role in Lord of the Rings; The Elven King is still alive during the events of the war of the ring, still in Mirkwood, which has become green and healthy again. Thranduil himself is fighting massive armies sent by Sauron in the north, and we learn the Elven King defeats those armies and successfully prevents the north from falling to Sauron. Shortly after, Thranduil and Celeborn meet in the forest, and agree to rename Mirkwood “Eyrn Lasgalen,” The Wood of the Greenleaves. It is then stated that Thranduil and his people live in peace, quite unbothered. The King's history stops there, and we do not know wether he left for the West before or after his son did.
No he departed for Aman before legolas and gimli departed
Legolas just happened to be at the Council of Elrond. He was sent by Thranduil to report the news that Gollum, who was put in the custody of the Elves of Mirkwood by Aragorn (aka Strider at the time) had escaped. This is how the Council knew why the Nine were tracking "Baggins".
It was pure 'coincidence' that Legolas, Gimlee, Galdor, Boromir, etc found themselves at the Council. 'Coincidence' which, like a lot of things in LOTR, is but the hand of Eru.
@@samuelh.2118 I got this information from the appendix at the end of the Return of the King. My copy must be outdated. I apologize.
@@thefandomtheory All good. Happy reading
@@dilsher1925 No that was actually never confirmed in fact the more accepted theory that I have seen is that he never went West instead he remained the greatest among the elves to remain in middle Earth except perhaps Maglor if he lived. But he likely would have stayed to continue ruling over the Sindar and Silvan elves who elected to stay in Middle Earth and perhaps even the only other tribe who had no desire to go West and that being the Avari
Thranduil: His true name, you must discover for yourself...
Legolas: His father is Arathorn... Let me guess? Is he called Aragorn?
Thranduil: ...No.
Haha 😂
+Asgard72 haha! That should have been in the movie for sure!
Thranduil then spends the next few years trying to convince Aragorn to change his name so Legolas doesn't laugh at him
This comment hahaha
@@thatweirdgirl8466
Bruh 😂😂😂😂
0:01- 0:10 This is so sad because Thranduil was desperatly looking for his son and it's noticeable how anxious is he when he can't find him. Then Legolas walks in and Thranduil's face lightens up and looks like he's so overjoyed he could hug and kiss his son right there 0:13. But then Legolas says immediatly "i cannot go back" and you can sense the deep hurt on Thranduil's heart. He supress his emotions but he's fighting. At the end that "Legolas...your mother loved you more than anything, more than life" is like a desperate cry of help, it's almost he wants to say "please don't go, I love you more than my own life, if you go i'll have lost everything" 😢😢😢 and when Legolas leaves Thranduil looks like he might cry. My poor Thrandy 😢
Oh, you made me feel this scene more than before and now I'm crying.😢
He's already lost his wife now he has to let go of his son :(
He is strict but a good father 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
He can't go back because he defided the kings order not to leave kingdom and he did.
@@memycousins4784Not to mention his father😢
Was i the only one going "hug it out dammit!"?
The actually did hug.that kind of bow is a elvish way to hug
***** How did you know?!
Nehemiah Cross it's a gesture were they lay the hand on their hearts and push it outward toward the other. It means something like: my heart for you is open / I reach out to you :)
No I was kinda yelling at Legolas to "Go over and hug your dad right now!"
“Hug it out, bitch.” - Michael Scott
For all those who think that Legolas doesn't want to see his father anymore, it isn't true. Yes, Legolas said he cannot go back because he's disappointed in his father. But that doesn't mean he chose to disown him entirely. Legolas eventually forgives him. Even while Legolas goes to be with Aragorn, Legolas sometimes chose to visit his father.
+Marguerite21
Okay, can some one explain because this scene makes no senes when legolas father send legolas to find the young ranger named Strider(Aragon). How the fuck does this works cronological because the Hobbit movies sets like 60 years before lord of the rings and in that Aragon is in atlest his thirtys or fourtys.
Gustav Ljung Because since Aragorn lives with the elves and has learned some of their magic, it's what's kept Aragorn from aging.
+Gustav Ljung Aragorn was 87 in the lord of the rings. He only looks so young because he is a direct descendant of Nueminorians. If you read the books and the lore behind it, he lives to be over 200 years old.
+Marguerite21 What are you even talking about?What you just said has no foundation in the books.You are just making shit up!
+Marguerite21 , no he's a dunedin...That's why he age slowly
As calculating and ruthless as Thranduil was with everyone, his love for Legolas was pure and genuine.
Lee Pace is so incredible.
The perfect Thranduil.
omg. look at how nervous thrandy when he cant find his son 😢😢 and when he see leggy is alive his face change 😢😢
Poor Thrandy
And his sad facy when he tells Leggy to look for Stridey...
@@mulder1979
I completely lost it 🤣🤣🤣
Thrandy and Leggy ? 😂
I guess Aragorn become Aggy and Gandalf Gaddy.
That moment when wormy says to take gandy’s staff but they presume he’s an oldie so they don’t
That gesture of affection, and Thranduil has finally accepted the fact that Legolas is independent.
0:25 And Legolas would be apart of the most epic movie trilogy of all time
lol definitely not the one that just unfolded
They knew they'd see each other again in a few decades. Elves and their darned immortality.
Trueee. People be asking and sad that he didn't go back in tlotr, but that's like a blink to them.
@@candywhite7926 he apparently did make visits back to his father occasionally during that time I believe(just now shown in the movies I mean)
In the movie-verse, Thranduil will also certainly see his wife again someday, because all Elves are re-embodied in Valinor after they die, except those who did truly wicked deeds like Fëanor and those who refuse like Finwë. Odds are that Thranduil’s wife was not among either of those groups. (In Tolkien’s actual lore, we’re not told anything about Legolas’ mother but I like to believe she is in fact alive during the events of LOTR.)
....'Oh and Legolas.. You might want to buy a toy bow or something for your fist meeting.. He's only 10.'
I fetl like Thranduil was trying to apologize for being the way he is and asking for legolas to forgive him.
hmm maybe..
Lucifers Apprentice maybe
the part that i like about this scene is when Thranduil says his son might grow to be a greater one he was also putting greatness in Legolas too but Legolas didn't really get that.
Indeed. I haven't seen many people pick up on that. So thank you for this comment. He was projecting so hard there. If he has known about Strider and like other elves, he is blessed with some kind of foresight, then he would have sensed that Legolas will have some role to play in the upcoming war. This was Thranduil understanding why Legolas might require some space and offering that understanding by giving him a purpose. While telling him that his mother loved him (just as I do, son) and that while he could have been a better dad, Legolas was a good son.
Actually, I think Legolas did get it. He smirked slightly if you did not notice.
Legolas wasn't mentioned in this book but I'm glad they add him in the movies, it's explained why this young elves prince not related to Elrond know Straider/Aragorn so much in first TLoTR. I admitted I was bit confused when Legolas defend Aragorn from Boromir insult on his status, it was like "wait, did you just came about the same time with Boromir ?" 😁
I think Legolas did understand what Thranduil was saying. Although a close-up of Legolas prevents us SEEING things below the camera, Clips of this scene show Legolas extending his hand back to his father. Thranduil sees it and BOWS to his son...a king bows to a prince. Oh yes, Legolas got the message and responded with love to his father...as his father did to him.
@@thomasjuniardi3559 He was not in the book, because Tolkien had not even come up with him yet. Only in LOTR did he come up with Legolas.
It's really funny knowing that in the timeline of the books and move--Aragorn would literally be a ten year old kid. So Thranduil basically sent his son to go babysit.
Find the boy, teach him the sword and acrobatics.
Aragorn would be a oldy 80+ in lotr
In the film continuity, the timeframe of Gandalf's investigation into the One Ring is reduced from 17 years to a few weeks at most. So if we account for that, 87 year old LotR Aragorn would be 27 at the time of the hobbit.
@@levi9193 aggreable
@@SAMUEL-zk4tv He is 87 years old in Lotr, yes.
what comforts me is that we know legolas goes home eventually since he was his father's ambassador to the council of elrond and he knew what was going on in mirkwood. so he just calmed down then went back to the forest.
Just realised in this scene, the worry look on Thranduil’s face when he’s looking down: he’s looking for for his son. Hoping he’s not dead. ❤️❤️ Lee pace is so amazingly brilliant at playing Thranduil.
Anyone else thinks Thranduil has vocal chords made of sex and a voice that makes you want to sin..... No....... Just me?
No. I am a guy and I have a huge man crush on Thandruil.
Of course. You should watch Lee Pace in Halt and Catch Fire. If you want to have multiple orgasms, that's how you get them.
GamKat321 yes
your not the only one!! he is sexy!!
Internet warrior!!
That awkward moment when Legolas is older than thranduil in real life... 🙄
Wait whaaat
@@anthonyhanks1807 That's true. Lee Pace is 42. Orlando Bloom is 45.
He didnt stop Legolas, he let his son go. He really loved his son
0:50 that part gave me some goosebumps, when lotr music played
This scene sold me when the fellowship theme played
Legolas' mother is at peace now. She would be proud to know that her son has grown to be one of the bravest elves in middle-earth.
She is not at peace, she is not even dead. Elves can not die until Arda itself dies. They are immortal in spirit and upon death they are summoned to the Halls of Mandos and there they stay for some time until they are reincarnated into Valinor again, their marital bonds remain upon death, so eventually she would see Thranduil and Legolas again.
Why did I just realize that Thranduil was telling Legolas that HE will grow to be great one day, too? And that Thranduil loved his son more than life.
When the Fellowship theme starts to play... CHILLS!
"Your mother loved you. More than anyone. More than life."
Gundabad: "My mother died there..."
HOLY CRAP DID LEGOLAS'S MOTHER DIE DEFENDING HIM?! MY FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELS!
+Becky Scoggin Sadly Tolkien never wrote about her.
They said that when they were writing this scene that that is exactly what happened to her
Supreme Grand Master Azrael Tolkien used to make up characters and back stories as it fit the lore at the time. Legolas was created for Lord of the Rings. He was quoted as saying that he wanted to go back and redo The Hobbit in the theme of Lotr but there wasn't much time for that. If he had, he would have fleshed out Thranduil's back story further and consequentially, Legolas'. Its really lazy of folks to go, Tolkien didn't write anything about the wood elves, so they did nothing and were unimportant in Middle Earth :)
Yes she did and she was a brave human
@@anitak3985 It wasn't laziness. Sadly Tolkien didn't have the time. Sure modern authors like JK Rowling and GRRM have so much free time on their hands that they go and retcon their characters for tokenism or procrastinate. Tolkien wasn't like that. He had a job to do and a family to support. He didn't even have the time to fully finish Silmarillion. Quite saddening.
0:59 the way he says legolas 😍
Though not shown in the films or books, Thranduil and Arathorn must have been great friends and comrades in their younger days. It is a great joy that years later their sons Legolas and Aragorn would become friends, comrades and brothers.
Arathorn died very young for a Dunedain. I may misremember but probably only in his late twenties. Aragorn was only two years old when Arathorn died. I can't think of anytime that Thranduil would have been able to "meet" Arathorn. Thranduil fought with Arathorns' many times great grandfathers Isildur and Isildur's father (along with Gil Galad and Elrond) in the war of the last Alliance of Elves and Men. Thranduil and Elrond probably weren't very close, either since Elrond was a Noldor and Thranduil was a Sindar and there was bad blood between those two races of Elves since the first age. BTW, Thranduil was born near the end of the first age, so would have already been quite old and the King of Mirkwood by the time Arathorn was born in the third age (late third age)
@@martyadams3172 , actually. I heard Thranduil is a Silvan Elf.
@@martyadams3172 , even if Thranduil is a Sindar, I do not think he and Elrond would have such a conflict because each of them are Sindar and Noldor. Elrond is also part Sindar, and King Thingol was more or less ok with the marriage of Beren and Luthien.
@@benedictkiswanto4692 It's not made perfectly clear, is it? But because his father Orophor was a denizen of King Thingol's kindom, we must presume that he, at least is a Sindar. We have no idea who Thranduil's mother is, though. Orophor was made King of the Silvan elves in Greatwood BY the Silvan elves as they must have thought him superior to themselves. But Orophor (and his followers from Menegroth) wanted get away from the more civilized aspects of the Sindar, and even moved twice to keep away from Noldor influence and so adopted Silvan language and lifestyle. That is clearly written by Tolkien. And most folks presumed Sindar origins for Thranduil and Orophor.
Despite the obvious changes to the book........there was not one single scene that was not done so superbly. And this between father and son, and his speaking to her about the love being real. Masterful performances.
@@elryt_nyfa When the king speaks to Tauriel about her love being real, and that is why it hurts.
Not one to say i ever met an elf.....but my guess is Tauriel is female. And they do not subscribe to identity, fluidity, pronouns, or any of our whatever you want to call it we have to.
For a stern and strict king, this was hard for him. He needs to keep his law. Even as Legolas departs, he gave his son direction and purpose. Truly a good king. He may be stern and stubborn but he is sentimental. Those gems from his wife and his son are his soft spots
And he did offer food and aid to bard and his people. When he didn't have to.
@@TJ-fe7rr Agree, and except for his greed for "treasure" he is portrayed in the original book as someone who was not so strict and emotionless. In the movie it's Bard who wants to treat with the dwarves to prevent a war, in the book it is Thranduil who wants to talk with Thorin so as to avoid conflict. And it's the ELVES, at Thranduil's command, not the dwarves who first move to fight with the Orcs.
Greatest foreshadowing scene of the whole hobbit trilogy imo. Little did legolas know he would meet one of the greatest battle partners he could ever have, as well as befriending a dwarf and fight along side him as well.
The back story left out is that Thranduil’s wife was whom those jewels were meant for. So him raising a whole army to go fight the dwarf king for them is him wanting to recuperate a piece of his wife.
And in delete scenes, Gandalf tells him his wife left him more than unworn jewles. She left him a son.
But he’s unable to say so directly so he indirectly says so instead.
they should have put this scene in T_T
@@maiastar81 it's a shame they didn't, it was the keystone of Thranduil's character development, I still can't believe they cut it
@@maiastar81 At least it was in the extended edition if i remember
Thranduil was like : " dont die , my son , please ... "
I remember being in cinema and screaming ARAGONNNNN 😂😂😂😂
Hahahaha you made my day 😂😂😂
@@angeramirez25 And your ruined mine with all those smiley faces.
Aragon?
Oh, that sounds exactly like what I would have done!! 😂😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👌👌👌
Thandruil makes it easy to understand that being king has its challenges that harden a heart over time He has trouble expressing feeling, emotion and compassion but in the end we can see his true character
Thranduil chose to send him in aragon's direction because he knew he wouldn't have to worry about searching for him among the dead. Safe place to be. Wise elf!
The hobbit movies have their flaws, but I love this one scene in particular. If you listen closely you can even hear a few notes of the fellowship theme as he speaks about Aragorn. It’s a lovely bit of reference to the lotr trilogy
Excellent scene, "your mother loved you, more than anyone, more than life." Of course its all speculation, but its like the writers wanted to convey that Legolas' mother possibly gave her life for him. And obviously Thranduil loved her. Possibly resenting her choice, not for the sake of his son but of his own heart. The liberties they took with this writing was well executed.
According to the writers, Thranduil's wife did die protecting her son, even though i don"t really see in which circumstances
Hearing that soft Fellowship theme made me emotional for no reason.
I want to touch that hair!!! XD
You can buy such wigs yourself..
to g But I want to touch that hair! XD
@@kiaraponcedeleon2973
SAME !!!!! x3
How can someone be so GODDAMN beautiful!!!!! Damn it Thranduil, I love you!
He is so broken. Poor guy.
I love the brief theme of the fellowship there, hits all the nostalgia...
0:53 when that theme starts playing you know its about to get Epic
I don't know why...but the way he says Legolas in this scene...it turns me into melted butter 😅🥰
Hahaha
The suppressed look of sheer relief on Thranduil’s face when he sees that his son is alive…
His father was a good man, his son, might grow to be a great one. Can see in his eyes he's talk about them as well...
Thranduil was shady and indifferent to the suffering of others, but I never doubted his love for Legolas. Lee Pace performance was also amazing.
He was not indifferent, but mostly overtaken by his own grief and felt betrayed by the dwarves. At that moment he genuinely thought he could simply keep his own borders safe and care not for the outside. But as events progress and the war unfolds, he will eventually change his approach. Let's not forget that during the war of the ring he kept the north from falling on Sauron's hands, fighting with his army and easing some of the battle that was going on south, towards Mordor.
Thranduil loves legolas my than his life
Lee Pace looks more beautiful than most girls I've seen.
Glad you've decided to come out of the closet then
Haha
Funny how Elf men get mistaken as Elf women and Dwarf women get mistaken for Dwarf men.
I love how they add a small section of the LOTR music when they mention Aragorn
Without knowing it at the time, Lee Pace was doing the absolute perfect audition to be the Emperor from Foundation here...
Why is Thranduil such a queen (i.e., with Thorin) and such a he-man in the battle scenes?
That is how elves tend to be, almost feminine during times of peace but damn good soldiers when it came to war
elves by nature are graceful but when they fight they let lose the tiger inside them..you know the animal instinct!
ImJuniperNow why do I always hear Eye of the Tiger at the elven fighting scenes?
Im happy knowing they saw each other again after this
I see a lot of debate about Thranduil's meaning behind the words "your mother loved you more than anything, more than life" - perhaps the words are just as simple and as complicated as that. He likely hasn't spoken much of Legolas' mother to Legolas, if anyone at all, so hearing *something* would be a great salve - and perhaps its just a stating of a very simple, very powerful truth.
Well done Thranduil. Your son was one of middle earths greatest guardians. That's some contributions from a "selfish" king.
I want a thranduil series of badassery that never ends
Lee Pace - Sephiroth
+Cynthia Lian Benevolent Sephiroth (First of his Yaki)
wow, lee pace as sephioth hmm................actually yeah maybe, it might work.
I would love to see when Aragorn and Legolas met. The beginning of their long friendship lasted for years.
The path Legolas has chosen took him to that point where Aragorn finally calls him "Legolas! What do your elf eyes see?"
"THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGUARD!!!"
@@Boom__6678 TO ISENGARD, TO ISENGARD!
This scene makes no fucking sense!?!? "I don't know what to do now.." - "Go seek out this random man." - "kay"
+Curseco I think it makes sense. Elf's ain't stupid. He probably know who Aragon is but wants Legolas find out on his own and make his own judgement about him. And instead of just sending him away on some random journey, he pointed him in Aragon's direction so he could help him out.
+Curseco Yeah i know right?! i was like 'k'
+Legolas Greenleaf Just do what you're told Son.
I did found him btw
I'm sure you did Son. I hope your journey was pleasant.
He lost his wife long ago & did u see the look only for a second on his face when Legalos cone around that corner
wonderful... My heart lies in pieces on the ground... good work Peter! I hope you are happy now! ;____;
Anyone else start sobbing at 0:51? No? Ok
Plot twist: Thranduil and Aragorn just can’t remember each other’s names for the sake of their lives like
“Legolas son of… of the woodland realm”
And in turn
“His father Arathorn was a good man”
“What’s his name?”
*fuckfuckfuck*
“…He is known in the wild as Strider”
I wish Thranduil had a role in TLOTR
Thranduil actually had a role in the war of the ring but it was behind the scenes in the year March 15 3019 of the ta sauron sent his forces from dolgol dur to attack mirkwood and in the end thranduil and his forces were victorious.
When I see how is beautiful Thranduil, I just get desperate when I see elves from Rings of Power.
Legolas leaving Thranduil is like when you move out of the parents’ house to college lol
I love that scene. IT says so mutch of the love from thranduil to his son
I suppose when you live that long. You gain a lot of heartache over the years.
The Lord of the Rings theme kicks in, sends me into another world
I love that the LOTR theme started playing after Thranduil told Legolas to find out for himself.
0:55
Even though thranduil didn't admit it you could tell he wanted to admit his love for him cause thranduils character was depicted as arrogant and snobby, but in the end he really had a heart underneath all that pain and grief.
Yeah I totally agree there'd for sure would've been a touching re-write:
Thranduil: "Legolas. Your mother loved you. More than anyone. And so do I".(Elven hand gesture goodbye). Legolas returns goodbye gesture and walks out. Thranduil has a look of deep sadness as he watches his son leave him.
THRANDUIL: "...known as Strider."
And the Cassia-Siobhan Mellon Chronicles fans go INSANE.
+Emirichan317 HERE HERE. Head canon fics for life.
0:52 the goosebumps 😢
"His true name... you must discover for yourself." Legolas is all WTF why all the drama I asked a simple question.
"He goes by the name 'Strider' - he's... like fifteen right now. So that should be fun for you. Anyway, catch ya"
Ooops
The saddest part is, Legolas never went back to Mirkwood.
really? how he lived ir died?after lotr
Christoph Grambach he lived with Aragorn in Minas Tirith and then when Aragorn died he sailed to the undying lands with Gimli, making him the first and only dwarf to do so.
katieredhead,ah ok cool,many thanks for the info :), i jsut remember that gandalf,elrond nd frodo sail to the west, legolas and gimli,no plan,tzhe one i know,is that gimli build the gate of minas tirith ,with pure mithril,kind regards
yes, book and movie are diffrent acts, like game of thrones,LOTR has the note 1* , the hobbit 3+, many mistakes,too much computeranimation,pity
***** in the movieverse he doesn't
The Lord of the Ring theme when he said "his true name you must discover for yourself"
I think thats specifically Aragorns theme at that even..I liked that they threw that in
Can we take a minute to admire Thranduil's Batman costume?
Lee pace as Batman is great
For DCU??? 🙄🙄🙄😮😮😲
Aragorn was 10 years old in TA 2941.
He wasnt known as the "strider"... Not yet.
I believe there's a 15 years gap between the book timeline vs the movies, that's how long the time Gandalf the grey finally know about Bilbo ring is the one ring in the book.
He was known as estel the sindarian word for hope.
god the two best elves together 😍
"his true name, you must discover for yourself."
"you just told me his name was Arathorn."
"no, I said that's what his father was named."
"I'm close though, right?"
"Fuck you, son. Find the Dunadyne."
His actual name was Arathorn II. He called himself Aragorn to distinguish himself from his father. Kind of like Ivana and Ivanka.
Legolas will always be one of my favorite characters ever.
Who doesn't wish Lee Pace is his daddy?
Thranduil has may have made mistakes and his wife's gems may have blinded him, but at least the gems were not enough to make him forget and disrespect the worth of man. When he said that 'Strider's' father Arathorn was a good man, it gave me goose bumps, for in Middle Earth's history men and elves have always been close allies and friends despite some rocky moments; Thranduil praising Strider's father shows that many years of friendship and respect between men and elves have not faded despite the Woodland King's initial obsession with his wife's gems, though in the end I heard he got them back after all.
So he leaves because the woman he loves does not recíprocate him. That is what a real man does.
Man now I want a movie connecting both series's
Hey Amazon! This is what elves are supposed to look like! Your Galadriel needs a hairbrush and a scrunchy half the time, and Celebrimbor needs some anti-aging cream! Arondir could have some longer hair, too.
Yo Legolas, I know you know all this because like me you are thousands of years old and remember it from first hand experience, but the heirs to the thrones of Gondor and Arnor hang out in Rivendell, you've met loads of them. Well currently the heir is a ten year old boy, I will tell you his dad's name and the nickname that he will be given in the future by some villagers I've never heard of but I won't tell you his real name for some reason. He's in the north, by which I mean the west, because you know where Rivendell is having been there many time over the millennia, and you could hardly expect a ten year old to be gadding about the withered heath where there is literally dragons and not much else.
LMAO 🤣 🤣 🤣
I love this... 😅😅😅😅
This moment is so sad and powerful because it shows a very rare human side of the elves that is never seen. A terrified father, desperately looking for his lost child and a son to hurt to reach out.
Legolas: "Oh, Arathorns son... but isn't he only like 12 right now?"
Thranduil: "..............................no."
In the film continuity he's 27 during the hobbit.