A Response
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- čas přidán 9. 01. 2024
- My original video - • DST Artists have been ...
In addition I want to address a few specific counterarguments here that I’ve seen pop up repeatedly in defense of this situation. I do encourage you to watch my first video, it’s going to spell out much more clearly my attitude on this situation. This will be my last word on the subject, I stand by what I said three years ago and the video stays up.
“The artists were never expecting payment”
James and I both acknowledged this three years ago, the fact that most artists didn’t expect to be paid and would not mind not being paid. I appreciate when artists are excited to help contribute to someone they admire. That doesn’t make it right for someone with influence to ask them to contribute for free. It’s manipulative, especially for someone who is making enough from their content to be able to easily afford paying for submissions.
“Beard did not promise exposure to artists.”
I mentioned exposure in my video in reference to similar art competitions held by companies trying to outsource their rebranding, “in exchange for a cash prize or sometimes just the promise of exposure.” But listen to his own words right here from the announcement.
“Whatever you guys want to do, whatever you guys want to create, give it to me, show it to me. Because then I’ll show it to everybody else, I’ll direct them to all of your channels, and we can help each other grow.”
Give it all to me, I’ll show it to everybody else, I’ll direct them to your channels and we can help each other grow. This was his pledge, and to me it’s a fairly clear-cut offer of exposure in return for work.
“Beard didn’t profit directly from the artwork.”
It’s not unusual for me to hear this argument, that the channel banner didn’t directly influence his bottom line. It’s a claim you can make with practically any branding that is not the product itself, but any big content creator knows that growing a channel is almost impossible without good branding. Even Beard acknowledges this when he says that artists can help his channel grow. What happens when your channel grows? You profit.
Like, nobody at that fundraiser I played is going to be so inspired solely by the music to make a larger donation. But it was part of a presentation that enriched the event and benefited everyone. Same with music at a bar or restaurant. Same with ambience or artwork, it’s all part of a presentation that affects the success of a business.
But there is one other aspect of this argument that nobody has addressed: the Twitch emotes. People pay to use emotes on Twitch. When they pay to subscribe they unlock emotes that are not otherwise available. Some viewers will subscribe to a streamer for the sole purpose of using their emotes on Twitch. So it is entirely untrue to claim that streamers do not profit from offering good emotes. - Hry
Hey, Jazzy! I'm one of Beard's moderators, and I just wanted to thank you for being respectful throughout this video and for calling out harassment as unacceptable. As a traditional artist, I understand and respect your perspective. I believe, in the end, you and Beard have a fundamental disagreement on perspectives, and that's okay, especially since this was a one-time event and has not continued, and can hopefully be left in the past after this month. I hope you guys can come to respect one another, and that we can move forward as a community with more love in our hearts rather than hate.
Please know that we are currently making sure that all conversations within our discord community on this topic remain respectful to all creators involved, and will continue to do so. No matter how people feel about your response, we will not tolerate any form of insults or disparaging comments. If you receive any comments like that, please feel free to reach out (though I have no idea how YT DMs work) and I will do my best to handle those responsible if they are in our discord.
Please send Beard and your community our love on behalf of those of us who are too riddled with anxiety to deal with Discord notifications! 😂🥰
Mods are the most noble of creatures. Thank you so much for the comment.
i dont want to be disrespectful, but a fundamental disagreement on perspective? i wolud rather say it's a fundamental disagreement on morals. people should be paid for their work, especially when this work is used for making money. and it likely was a one-time event BECAUSE people called out beard. especially because he didn't apologize for it.
@@oem4444okay think about it like this, you ask for anyone to send you free arts then people send you because they like you, then someone tells you that you should pay to those artist despite you asking for free art for a contest would you pay it? Plus Beard did pay the arts he used and not because of comments btw just because he decided if he is gonna use it on his channel it was right thing to pay not many people would do it (english is not my motherlanguage but ı hope you understand what ı tryed to say)
Mods are creatures confirmed O_O'
(sarcasm)
A lot of misunderstandings would be cleared and problems resolved if people just talked it out in the first place.
Yeah that's true, too bad they just outright attacked beard without even sending a single dm first
They could not talk it out, Because as Jazzy says in the video, Beard had him blocked on all platforms beforehand, without given reason.
It should also be noted that there have been attempts in the past to reach out on way shadier things Beard has done, and his responses were way shady and only served to escalate. Because Beard does shady stuff, and doesn't own up when he's the one being the asshole. Which is the problem here in the first place. @@wormwoodmain6677
@@wormwoodmain6677beard blocked him tho
@@wormwoodmain6677 tbh the only thing Beard really had to do was make it clear that he was paying his artist by updating the video with a pop up clarifying that fact. If Beard actually confronted this with an affirmation that he respects artists, and is paying for art work generated for his channels there would be no dispute. Instead Beard got defensive and blacked out all conversation, including deleting the video rather than simply admitting that paying artists is a good thing and that he is committed to paying them.
This is like classic corporate fk up #1 these days and most businesses / brands know how to respond. You don't even need to apologize. Just announce your correct intentions clearly and affirm your commitment to follow through as you always should have.
This is the link to the youtube video about the whole situation by Guille. I noticed Jazzy unfortunately forgot to link it, so you could not only make your own decision, as he stated, but make your own *informed* decision. Then again, mistakes happen and it's easy to forget things: czcams.com/video/O8Hqgka1tX8/video.html
How could we know whether the omission of Guille's video was intentional or not? Since you can't know what's inside Jazzy's mind, you can't just belive he acted in good faith. I just wrote another comment about this, inspired by yours.
Thank you for posting that link.
Clicked on this hoping to support you, but I don't think this is really sensible. Can't believe I have to side with beard lol
Sucks when people reveal who they really are. Classless behavior, without a shred of accountability.
The Fact that he’s using the same strategy of not mentioning who or what he is talking about, as
Did James bucket in his original video
He says "beard" multiple times in that vid
As the title suggests, what you just saw is a response to Guille's video about the Beard777 drama. However, here Jazzy decided not to link said video, nor even mentioning Guille's name.
Imho, trying to explain an answer to someone who doesn't know what the question was is pretty hard. In the same way, if you watched just this and the older Jazzy's video about the drama, the only way to acknowledge what happened and why there's a need to discuss this again is to trust Jazzy's words.
Jazzy, think about who this video is addressed to and who you want to convince. What would think someone who's trying to make his own opinion when you intentionally hide the source of the discussion? If it's important to you to present an unbiased counterargumentation, you should put aside any personal grudge and the urgency to deny visibility to people you don't like.
and what exactly is this source you are talking about, that debunks wht jazzy said and did? i would really like to know.
@@oem4444using the Jazzy method, you should just take his word on it. No sources needed.
@@oem4444 I genuinely think you didn't read my comment at all. I never talked about debunking, nor I expressed an opinion about what Jazzy says in this video.
Simply put, by hiding Guille's name and video, Jazzy is acting in bad faith, since this is supposed to be a reply to him. What I pointed out is just a logical fallacy, which has nothing to do with what i personally think of him.
If you are looking for Guille's video, I think you can manage to type the right keywords on a Google search.
@@oem4444The video is called "The truth behind DST's biggest controversy" by Guille. It's about an hour long and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jazzy and his posse falsely accused him, knowingly and unknowingly
Hi Jazzy, This video talks quite a bit about moral right and wrong. I think acknowledging why you stand by your word - that commissioning artwork without pay is immoral - is surely the right thing to do. However, it is certainly a downplay of your actions to claim that "at the end of the day though it is beard's behaviour which led to these videos which influenced his reputation". Its a complete shift of blame. Failing to acknowledge and apologise for the consequence of not having the wisdom and foresight to understand posting such videos on a platform like this can cause real, tangible harm is surely immoral. You can still stand by your word, it is mostly what you failed to do which resulted in the amount of hatred targeted towards beard. There is such a thing as negative responsibility, especially when you have clout in a community. Its dissapointing to see that the full consequence of good and bad was clearly not weighed up before making the video - talking about a particular subject and the issues associated with it is only fair to do if you are certain it will cause a positive effect. Your original video has no pinned comment or description change that mentions the hatred beard recieved and that viewers should not engage in that kind of activity. Again, I do not disagree with your opinion at all, but it is not as plain and simple as you make it seem. You have gotta be one of my favourite creators and its a shame to not see this stuff properly resolved through fair, humble, compromise.
Thanks for the honest response.
"At the end of the day though it is beard's behaviour which led to these videos which influenced his reputation" This sentence is so perfect in Beards case. I used to be a huge Beard supporter, but over the years his behaviour pushed so many people away from his channel, and it had nothing to do with this Art scam issue. Aside from this scam, to which i don't necessarily agree anyways, as if i enter any kind of contest and i don't win, i don't expect to be paid! Like if i enter a cake baking competition, if my cake doesn't win, i wouldn't expect to be paid! But Beard is not a good content creator overall, he pushes his viewers for monetary support way too much, he bans people for speaking their opinion if it is different from his, he blocks anyone who would disagree with him, and is outright rude to new people who join in on his streams. This is the behaviour that kills his channels, he is very dishonest and secretive and people don't like that. He personally targeted me with some horrific behaviour, so even though i do not agree with the art scam and do not blame him for that, he is accountable for his actions in many, many, many other circumstances. Him thinking that the scam is the reason he is not thriving as a content creator, is completely wrong, and the words called to at the beginning of my comment, which Jazzy says in his video just sums up Beard perfectly.
You're just ridiculous!@@Jane-gj7po
@@Jane-gj7po Wow you perfectly summed it up.
It was never about the artists, eh?
Jazzy made a video to warn artist about people abusing their position of power and use their platform to ask their fans to create free artwork to rebrand a business. So yes it was always about the artist.
@@Madfrighe did not, he made a hit piece
He did not because you say so.
do you care to elaborate or?
I watched Jazzys stream once on twitch and did not like him. He was rude to the players on the game and I never watched him again. Came back 4 years later to see this video and it’s a shame.
This whole drama was pointless because it hinged on victimizing people that have openly stated they aren't victims.
What you or James or anyone had to say was irrelevant. The only thoughts that mattered were those of the artists that participated, given that they're the people this 'scandal' ACTUALLY affected, and literally none of them have had anything negative to say about the art transaction.
I am an artist. I have drawn since I was a child. I have taken commissions. I have also drawn for free. If you believe that I should be compensated for my work when I draw from a place of generosity rather than profit, then I thank you for the compliment, but I CAN work for free if I so choose and you are in no place to rid me of that right just because of YOUR past experiences.
Artists should be given compensation when money is involved. When an artist is commissioned, they should be compensated. But to completely deprive ANYONE of the choice to work for free and infantilize them for it is abhorrent.
These artists aren't idiots. They can speak for themselves. All you've done is virtue signal for them and used their names to push forward a narrative they never subscribed to. You are speaking on behalf of people that blatantly disagree with you.
You have a point but Beard blacklisting Jazzy on all the platforms is a pretty clear red flag . IF he had pure intentions , why did he decided not to clear the issue instead of pretending it does not exist? The problem isnt just the artists , its a youtuber choosing to go about something in a very shady way (even after people call him out)
@@shadowkhan422Why wouldn't he? At no point did jazzy nor any other creator that accused him tried reaching out to him? They completely sentenced him without seeking clarification???? What would there have been to reach out about when they had already claimed him the villain?
why is there minimum wage if the workers decide or happy to work for less or free? The workers aren't idiots, they can choose for themselves.
Again, if you are so in favor of supporting the artists (and the ones directly involved, not just other artists outside of this with no knowledge of what happened), maybe check in with all the artists to see if they feel supported by your actions? So…did you? Do they feel supported?
Jazzy, James, and the others involved have taken NO responsibility for anything that has happened......instead of acting like a mature man would act, they've all "double downed" and made sorry excuses for themselves....seems Beard is the only grown-up with any integrity!
Did I check in recently with the winners of an art competition that happened three years ago? I did not, and I’m not totally sure what would have changed during that time.
I did have several private conversations with artists closer to the release of these videos. Many of them did not agree with my message and I had expected this. They had already given their work and were not expecting to be paid, nor did they find payment as important as I did.
My messaging was directed at the larger community of artists; the support of the artists affected would have been nice but my message does not hinge on that support.
@@JazzysGamesHoly crap so this whole time this was just you stroking your own ego? To set yourself up as a savior despite knowing you weren't wanted? That's narcissism on a whole other level.
If you really wanted a "message" that was not to "support" those individual artists then why paint a target on beards back?
The more I hear your "responses" the more you sound like a narcissist coward who is incapable of seeing wrong in their own actions because you set yourself up to be the undeniable "voice of reason". This was about you and your conscience the whole time, that's beyond sad. To go after someone for your own benefit.
I’m not sure what smoking gun you think you’ve unearthed but the message was to support all artists. I never presumed to have been asked to do this by the artists who were involved. The fact that not everyone has reciprocated that support does not change my messaging, and no amount of shaming is going to change my view that artists deserve to be paid. If there was a question in your response I hope I answered it.
Also I’m not sure what “this whole time” even means. I made a video three years ago and left it at that; there hasn’t been any ongoing crusade. I said my piece on my own channel; I don’t go after content creators on public forums, and I let them make their own content. I was asked to make that video, and I agreed as a gesture of support to the community of artists.
I think as an aspiring musician no work should be stolen but if it is payed fairly and truthfully then I see no wrong but in all honesty I think that this has always been some big misunderstanding and I hope hate on all of these channels. Let's all just make the honest statement that people can have opinions and say things which others don't like but no one should ever be harassed over anything.
The question is, why do you think you can speak for other people that openly said, that they KNEW they wouldn't get paid and also didn't WANT to get paid? Just like in every other contest, those who didn't win, don't get the prize. You chose to participate anyway. They did it because they wanted to support their favorite content creator. I don't see a reason why you should pay everyone participating even tho they don't want money. Also the fact that you didn't really apologize for your actions that led to Beard being harassed says a lot about you. Claiming he didn't pay anyone and never clearing that issue after you knew he actually did, is also a shitty move
yes, but in very other contest, the work of the winner doesn't get used for a brand. when you create art in a contest, the ultimate goal is, to have a competition, not to benefit the contest-organizers purse. you can't compare this with other normal contests, because it is inherently different from a competition.
@@oem4444 of course there are contests where the entry gets used. He also paid those who won. There is no contest where you get paid for just participating. So I see no reason why Beard should pay those who didn't win. Especially because they said that they don't want to be paid. How about you let other ppl decide what they want and not decide for them?
@@TheSnogbox1 I don't think Jazzy is speaking for anyone here, he's speaking from his own experience as an artist and his experience in the industry. Also no one have any problem with what artist wants to do, artist can do whatever they want. The problem is Beard using his position of power and inappropriately asking his fans to create free art to rebrand his channel for his business. Creating art for branding is work so he's asking his fans to do free work for him for his business so he can profit off his fans work that is abuse of power and exploitative by nature.
@@Madfrig but they didn't do free work. Those whose are got used got paid. The rest can be seen as fanart in my opinion. Also they all said that they don't want money. So how about listening to those instead of someone who has no business in telling other ppl how to feel? He is in no position to call other naive. This is simply rude. Just as I said, in any other contest, participants don't get paid if they won. Why change it here?
@@TheSnogbox1 Yes they did do free work. ONLY the winners got paid. The others who work on the branding who didn't get chosen didn't get paid. So they did FREE work. Also the paid is so LOW ($20) compared to if he have to go industry you can say he's exploiting his fans abusing his position of power.
This response, which, shouldn't even be considered a response as the video you are supposedly "responding" to is not mentioned, is a sickening display of someone who sees blame in others but not themselves. Even going ahead to say you will flat out not apologize for this behaviour is disgusting.
The biggest claim, and the whole backbone of this long drawn out hate is because of artists not getting the compensation they deserve, it is the ideology leading the defamation and reputation damaging claims you and other creators have stacked upon Beard. You claim that Beard was using manipulative "influence" to gain art from multiple artists for free, which is ridiculous. As a comment I made on the video this even sprouted back up for, artists create fan art and contribute their talents to content creators and communities all the time. I am an artist who does both commissions(paid work) and passion art(unpaid work), and many of my pieces were made for content creators or communities FOR FREE simply to make physical my appreciate for the communities. That does not make me the VICTIM of manipulation when I create something out of my own free will knowing I will not be recieving compensation. Artist create art all the time for communities, it means the community is growing, and even inspires other artists to contribute their own fan art as well. The "art contest", which was never an art contest but actually an ART SHOWCASE, was not a scam to get free art out of his fans, it was a way for the talented people in his community to share their art and come together, it was a COMMUNITY EVENT, not a contest with winners or losers. The artists who contributed to this event, and fanart later down the line have openly stated they did not expect compensation, as it was for fun and it brings together the community. I cannot imagine how they must feel knowing that their contributions are being used AGAINST Beard and his community, the one they gifted the art to in the first place.
I have contributed countless amounts of art to content creators, fandoms, communities, and franchises out of passion for art and said places, never ONCE have I felt bad for doing something out of my own free will for fun, nor do I expect to be compensated from these sources simply for doing so. This whole "artists require compensation" claim is ridiculous, and implies that any contributions to Beard and his community should expect reasonable payment, but that is simply not what motivates artists to do the things they do. It implies that artist cannot do things out of their own free will and admiration to communities without being given something in return. Speaking from an artists point of view, and in the voices of the other members of Beard's community who have contributed beautiful pieces of art to his community: art is a beautiful medium for talented people to express their feelings, thoughts, and voices, it can be sold, but often times it is gifted.
As for the claims about banner, profile picture, emotes, and discord stickers being considered manipulation, I want to just point out in almost every community there are people who contribute towards these too. I have contributed dozens of emotes towards DST servers, some streamers, and contribute art regularly to the them. If a fan puts art towards a community or content creator in hopes the content creator grows from it, how does that make them a victim?? It cycles back to an artist's free will, and Beard has compensated the artists who have supported this way.
This whole drama revolves around a ridiculous ideology, an event blown completely out of proportion, and a herd mentality of hate. The fact you refuse to apologize for your part of it despite being called out for it by a video you supposedly responded to but didnt link, is disgusting. Hate like this isn't going to be fixed with a band-aid, and the fact you couldn't even spare a simple apology just adds insult to injury. Community and content creator suffered, and this immature excuse of a response, which again just pushed the knife deeper with that "it's Beard's behaviour that influenced these videos that affected his reputation" at 8:35. This going to leave a hole in the DST community for a while, drawing content creators apart. This is not how you handle a situation you took part in, and not admitting your mistakes already puts you far behind the path to improvement. I wish you could look back at this video and realize this, because what we have here simply shrugs off your side of it instead of facing it.
Genuine question - for what should Jazzy apologise?
Ya know your statements put a glaring issue out there- you and other artists doing things for free, when other artists that are as talented, maybe more so than some of the ones who do give art for free, struggle to make ends meet. Artists who give their art away, make that choice. But some do it because they can't get enough views to make their stamp or name. Some do it because they feel it's the only way others can find them. Many artists don't understand that they deserve to be paid as much as anyone else.
It's incredible to see someone in the artist industry claim that it's a ridiculous ideology to pay artists for their work instead of asking for freebies. I have known so many talented creators who struggle, so its great you can AFFORD to give your art away for free, while others may do it out of necessity to try to get their name out there. And right now, so much art is illegally passed around, without giving artists the pay they deserve. There are countless reasons why people should always be paid for the work you ask them to do for you. If someone wants to do something for free because they care, then fine. But that doesn't make it wrong to demand fairer treatment of content creators, artists, etc.
So really, your ideology is your own, but it's absurd for you to write a rant that has so much anger, when the ideology that artists aren't frequently taken advantage of, stolen from, and underpaid, is just true.
The drama seems over. The two creators responded, if the drama continues it will likely be due to comments like yours continuing it on behalf of the creator you stand by. Lots of people on both sides, and it's time to hang up the capes, and realize we don't need to be part of the drama with these people. *Shrugs* you can have the opinion that the ideology is silly, people can have the opinion your ideology is silly, insulting people's ideologys when others are absolutely validating it by seeing it in their own lives, doesn't help. And at the end of the day, most of the time CZcams drama being continued is by commenters as much or more than the CZcamsrs. And I just dont see how that's helpful.
I used to make music. Many people like me quit due to the reason that barely anyone cares about new artists. Unless you make something groundbreaking, you can basically just enjoy 4 likes on social media and 2 reactions on discord.
"But art isnt about being known!". It's not, but it boosts morality. Sometimes you suffer hours upon hours to make something that never gets noticed. It's not good for your own mental health. Having your art used by someone popular is really really big just by itself.
Money as in compensation would be also pretty good, but I feel like you're pushing it like it's must have or you go to hell instantly.
Yeah, him trying to police how other artists choose to get their art out there is pretty gross.
5:56 "benefiting the host financially" may I ask how a few decorational images improves beard's income?
6:05 Im pretty sure I'd feel empowered if my artwork ended up being used on a big youtube channel
I addressed both of these points in the description, but regarding your second comment:
I appreciate when artists are excited to help contribute to someone they admire. That doesn’t make it right for someone with influence to ask them to contribute for free. It’s manipulative, especially for someone who is making enough from their content to be able to easily afford paying for submissions.
@JazzyGames...You seriously are still spouting off about this?? Just face it..... You are called out.....just stop!!
I’m answering questions as I promised I would. Not sure what you are suggesting I stop doing. This is a video on my channel and I have a right to respond.
Getting called out doesn’t disqualify me from clarifying my position. If you think you can cancel or silence me on my own channel then you are mistaken.
I never said I was canceling you or intending on silencing you, never implied it either. Yes you're allowed to clarify your position, I agree, but my question hasn't been answered@@JazzysGames
edit: nvm you said you put it in the desc, ill look
edit 2: the only artwork i see on his channel is the "profile" picture and the channel banner. I guess your argument would make sense if his viewers' artwork was used for
thumbnails, but as far as I'm concerned, he edits the thumbnails himself and sometimes uses promotional artwork of a game he's talking about. But again, the only artwork is in his
profile picture and the channel banner, and I don't think anyone looks at either so it wouldn't have impacted him at all, however I could be wrong about this.
I have been following both you and beard and i dont have a "preffered youtuber". That said, this is what im seeing. I am an artist myself and I am familiar with art scams. However, you are comparing a person/company hiring an artist and offering exposure as payment, to a content creator giving his fans the freedom to send him fanart as a way to support his channel. It was made clear that the artworks requested were to be treated as fan submissions and how they will be used/showcased. The artists that submitted the said designs willingly sent them as a way to support his channel, and not as a job application.
If these will be considered scam victims, that would mean that people donating to streamers, sending their fanart on mail, and even players joining loading screen contests would all be victims of a scam.
Another point here is that the so-called "victims" already openly commented on said videos claiming that they sent their artwork as form of support, but these comments and claims were not addressed and ignored as mentioned in guilles video.
So what it seems now is that the attack against beared was made without the consent of said "victims" and when the victims openly defended the accused, they were not given any light, which seems to be a way to avoid being called out or being proven wrong.
To summarize it: art submissions are a case to case basis and not all should be treated the same. In beard's case, these artworks were given as a gift from his fans, and it seems that said content creators are forcing him to pay for the gifts he received.
Thank you for your thoughts. I tried to draw the distinction here between the art showcase and the call for channel artwork, the line between the two were blurred at times. I tried my best to address each of the artists who commented on my video. I supported what they did; we didn't all see eye to eye on this and I respected that. But I made it a point to address artists like Kayreb who came onto my channel to share her thoughts. We actually had an extended conversation following the video and I do value her insights. I also understand that for most of the artists, this was a fun thing for them to do. From my own experiences I can relate.
Seems you are talking "out of both sides of your mouth".....you and others say Beard manipulated people.....look in the mirror....you twisted everything to manipulate your audience and the other creators against Beard....@@JazzysGames
@@JazzysGames The only right thing to do is state very clearly that you made a mistake, apologize privately and publicly to Beard, and move on.
@@JazzysGames what are you yapping about?
it wasn't a "freedom to submit artwork" though. it was used for branding. it was used to make money.
I'm sorry, but no, you and Bucket went out of your way to drag Beard's name through the dirt. I get ensuring that people are properly compensated, but you're attempting to take the moral high ground while simultaneously not owning up to the fact that you did horribly shady things to perpetuate a false narrative. You should apologize and be ashamed of your actions. But instead, you're just pretending you didn't do anything wrong and moving on.
So it's "I was wrong but I was still right." Kind of way.
Hiring artists without paying them is awful, yes.
But artists submitting artwork to support someone they want to is totally different.
I don't think anyone have a problem with artist submit their artwork to their favourite content creator. The issue is that when Beard uses his position of power to asks his fans for favours which in this case is free art to rebrand his channel its not appropriate because asking someone to work for free is usually seen as exploitative and disrespectful to someone's time, effort and skills.
@@Madfrig it would be if they were tricked into doing so. But they knew they wouldn't get paid, they did it voluntarily.
@@crapsound They did it voluntarily because Beard used his position of power to ask his fans to create free art to rebrand his channel. It's inappropriate and is abuse of power.
@@Madfrig he asked for help and people helped him. If that's the logic then the same could be said for streamers who abuse their power to ask for money from their fans.
@@Madfrig helping out your favorite channel willingly with an open heart and being offered an art job without pay are 2 different things, my guy. I am an artist myself and I do not accept commissions for free. But if I want to help someone and I feel like they deserve the help, I would.
It was very clear in the video that the art submissions were openly given as the community's willingness to help him grow his channel. Being an influencer does not give him any power as these artist were not under his employment. His only power is influence, wherein he did not spread any misinformation whatsoever.
If we will follow your line of logic, then Jazzy should compensate everyone who ever supported/ donated to his channel. No one should provide any kind of support to his channel as he is abusing his power to trick us into supporting him, right?
I think we all as a community need to apologize to one another and we need to bury the hatchet take blame and own up to it
FR IT CAN'T BE THAT HARD TO SAY "Beard I apologize to you and your artist I was in the wrong for slandering your name and ignoring your artists" or something like that
@dr.keeperwiggins2377 Where's the evidence that shows anyone defame/slander Beard?
To say anyone defame Beard you have to proof that
the statements are untrue (provide evidence)
the person speaking knew they were untrue at the time of the event (provide evidence)
but they said them anyways (provide evidence)
@@Madfrig There are videos still up from 3 years ago talking about this subject and they are clearly pointing towards Beard. They were made with malicious intent to call out Beard on this and it gained a huge amount of attention, a ton of people went out of their way to harass and spread hate to Beard's community back then. There is plenty of evidence out there of the hate, Jazzy being a contributer to this with his videos, even this one. An apology to this would have been a great start to fixing the damage done, yet it was made clear that is not what Beard is getting. There is evidence of the slander and defaming, and there were definitely blows to his reputation during all of this, a simple search on Google or CZcams will show you the statements and actions taken against him, his career was affected negatively from all this.
guille6785 writes:
JAZZY'S RESPONSE: It's basically a nothingburger that doesn't really contradict a single thing I said in this video so I don't think I'm going to respond to it, but what stuck out to me is that he said he wouldn't apologize because it would go against his "core principles" that "artists deserve to be paid", in spite of the fact that I gave him 5 very explicit reasons why he has to apologize to Beard, none of which would contradict that principle. My video was about misinformation and manipulation, not about whether or not artists deserve to be paid, and I still said like 3 times in this video that I think the original announcement from Beard was morally dubious and at no point did I try defending him.
These are the 5 things Jazzy said in his "DST Artists Have Been Ripped Off" video that are irrefutably wrong and that he refused to apologize for in his response. I'm blocked from his channel so I can't comment.
1. Jazzy claimed Beard hadn't paid for any artworks in his "DST artists have been ripped off" video when, in fact, there was already proof at the time that he had paid for some by the time the video was uploaded. If he did this intentionally, it's lying and also slander. If he did this unintentionally, he's admitting he did virtually no research as to miss such an important detail, as his video would be completely different if he mentioned this.
2. Jazzy created confusion by claiming Beard had conducted an "art contest", which he never did. He explicitly did this to enable a direct comparison with a REAL scam; the only purpose this serves is to make Beard look more malicious. (* He addressed this one but essentially said that it had become an art contest when he promised compensation for those whose artworks he would use. That's a fair point, except for the fact that point #4 is that he didn't even say in his video that Beard had promised compensation, so he doesn't really get to use this argument lol)
3. Jazzy's use of "technically correct" statements such as "for commercial use" (when in reality it was just a channel banner and some discord artworks) in order to exaggerate what Beard did and make him look worse.
4. Jazzy saying that "there was no mention of compensation" in the announcement video, while KNOWINGLY omitting to mention that Beard had promised compensation in the comments. I know it was knowingly because one of the content creators told me all the people involved knew about the comment. LYING BY OMISSION IS STILL LYING.
5. Jazzy called Beard a "no talent vulture" and explicitly accused him of deliberately tricking his community into sending him art just to profit off their artworks. As my investigation suggests, Beard most likely made a genuine mistake; there is literally no evidence to support that Beard asked for the artworks maliciously. THIS IS A SERIOUS AND UNFOUNDED ACCUSATION.
The main focus of Jazzy's video really was on the ethics on paying artists, something that I basically never delved into in this video because it was completely irrelevant to my main arguments about misinformation and the twisting of facts to make Beard look like a malicious person. Jazzy spending so much time talking about how artists should be paid almost carries the implication that I was saying that artists SHOULDN'T be paid, which I obviously never said at any point in this video. I specifically refrained as much as possible from discussing the ethics of Beard's announcement video because it's a philosophical can of worms that leads nowhere, it only muddies the waters and distracts us from the real problem which is that a group of a dozen content creators essentially fabricated a story about how Beard was this evil mastermind exploiting artists to make money for what was most likely a genuine mistake. I'm disappointed that Jazzy decided to go that route with his response video, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't what I was expecting from him.
you’re tellin me jazzy lied to me 3 years ago and made me hate beard since when in reality he was just being a snake? (i would have done research but im not the biggest DST player since then)
@@requ1emYBA Nah, in my opinion other creators just hate beard doing very simple videos and getting more views. I don't believe they are doing that consciously. They say they doing it for moral reasons but I believe that is just unconscious hate of competitor.
@@requ1emYBA Not really, especially if you go look at all the other things beard did.
@@Topazzas I don't haven't watched his videos in a long time, but when I did I found quite a bit of misinformation in them (some years ago) he never corrected the mistakes in his videos and would delete anyone calling that out.
oh yes, he does this for anything. You cannot contest Beard in any way shape or form because he bans you. I was a support of his for years, even quite heavily on the monetary front, doesn't matter, one word he doesn't agree with and you're out.
@@hellfooliver1497
I've been a fan of yours for a long time, but I just gotta say this comes off as immature. I'm not even a fan of beard, I find him obnoxious and his way of dealing with things is self-absorbent to say the least, but I think acknowledgement and an apology around your instigating behaviour is warranted. Not apologise for your perspective or views, but for the (quite frankly, childish) way you handled it, which was essentially just dogpiling him. The excuse of "I'm passionate about this!!" isn't really an excuse. Someone at trial cannot say "I was feeling emotional" and expect to walk a free man. Part of maturing is controlling your emotions, especially in situations where the anger is targeted towards the wrong person. Beard wasn't the broadway celebrity who tried to get you to play for free, he's not the politician. He is a man who made poor judgement, but he didn't deserve to have his name dragged through the mud just because you're "passionate about this".
In what world is this immature? Beard shouldn't use his fanbase for free labor and artwork. Jazzy has good points here. Just because you're upset doesn't make this immature at all. This video is a great response.
@@Cerebrus000in no way did I say what beard did was right. But Jazzy’s behaviour in response to it, alongside a ton of other creators, was also not right.
I love that hes still doubling down on it being a contest even though the artists have said they knew they werent getting paid and just wanted to see their art on his channel. Also they only got paid after everything was said and done and he paid people whos art he didnt even use. flat out u were wrong.
It's fine if the artist don't want to get paid but it's not fine for Beard in a position of power to use his platform to ask his fans for free artwork to rebrand his business so he can profit off their work. That's inappropriate and abuse of power. Also he only paid artist after he got called out by Glermz and he only paid for artwork he used the rest of the artist who did the work and submit the artwork to him for rebranding didn't get paid.
did you watch the video? he is talking about how he manipulates them into submitting art. not that they didn't know about it.
@@oem4444and I'm talking about no one have any issue with what artists wants to do. Artist can do whatever they want. Beard abusing his position of power to ask his fans for free artwork to rebrand his business. That is him asking his fans to do free work for his business so he can profit off their artwork. That's inappropriate and abuse of power and asking his fans to do free work for his business is seen as exploitative.
TBH, I get why in Jazzy's original vid he called it a contest, Beard literally called it a contest in the dang video announcing it. People should not be accused of using deliberately more harsh words when they were using the same words Beard used.
The guile vid is really just starting drama all over again
Im not a fan of him but it makes no sense to me how you want him to pay people that submit artwork to him dispite if he uses it or not. they submitted artwork because they wanted and if he said from the beginning he would pay the ones he uses artwork from people would see it for sure as a competition and they would get angry that they didnt win.
so you've decided to not apologize for permanently ruining a person's reputation. amazing. truly someone of the moral highground...... sickening.
The way ruined his reputation was by making a video criticizing an event Beard was holding.
People agreed with Jazzy then, now they don't. I really do not understand the demonizing going on.
Ikr it’s so goofy how people are calling him like he is literally Satan
Sorry but that's an absolutely ridiculous, narcissistic argument.
Morality doesn't revolve around you. Just because you regret voluntarily donating your own art in the past doesn't mean it's immoral to ask your community to support you and your channel in the form of artwork.
Why is it that it's okay for creators to ask their followers for support by donating $5 via patreon, twitch subs or superchats, yet it's immoral to support their creator via a $5 piece of art?
In literally any interaction involving an exchange of something material, it's possible for someone to be badly motivated on both ends. That's absolutely no reason to just assume that is the case which is exactly what you need to do in order to claim the mere act of asking is immoral.
Because there are young and naive artist who are inexperience in the field and can be exploited for their work. There is the same logic why minimum wage exist. Why is minimum exist when some workers are happy to work for less than minimum wage? To protect them for exploitation.
Asking for free art to brand your channel is asking for free labour from your community who can be subject to exploitation. Asking for donation through patreon or twitch subs is not asking for free labour.
@@Madfrig Money is literally the same thing as labour. Telling your community that they can support you on patreon, by superchats or by twitch subs is literally the same thing as asking them for free labour.
There is no difference between donating $10 worth of art and donating $10.
@@Madfrig This has nothing to do with the minimum wage since we're talking about DONATIONS, not artists wanting to be paid more for their work.
Beard never promised anyone any compensation. He was crystal clear about what the terms were in his video. If someone is so mentally handicapped or illiterate that they can't understand basic English and thought they were going to get paid, that's not Beard's fault.
And in order to make the claim that it's immoral to even ask anyone to help support your channel in the form of art, then you'd have to assume EVERY instance of asking is an attempt at exploitation.
@@kauihill8519 labour for exposure to rebrand a youtube channel is not equal =/= money use for donation for subs and patreon
Beard agreed to compensate the artists BEFORE you made the video. You made no mention of that in your video before and either ignorantly or intentionally misled viewers like myself to believe that he had still not agreed to pay the artists and refused to do the right thing.
If this was done ignorantly, thats fine but you should have done the right thing and at the bare minimum updated your video to include the fact that he agreed to pay the artists BEFORE your video was uploaded, meaning his decision to pay was not because of your video or any backlash related to it. The fact that you just left the video up as it was even after you learned that the artists were paid is pretty scummy and worthy of an apology.
If it was done intentionally thats absolutely disgusting, and the fact that you still did not mention this in this video is incredibly frustrating to someone who thought highly of you and felt incredibly deceived and betrayed upon learning the actual facts and timeline of the drama. You need to address this and explain why you never mentioned that he agreed to pay the artists before you ever made your video because it seems like you did it because mentioning that wouldnt fit the narrative you wanted to push about beard.
The stance you take on beard not paying literally every single person who submitted artwork is unbelievably ridiculous. It's completely unreasonable. How much do you think each person deserves to be paid? If I, someone with zero experience as an artist and with no expectation to be paid for my unprofessional drawings simply wants to participate in the community art showcase and see my effort compiled into the video am I not allowed to do so unless I'm paid?
Will you, Jazzy, hold an art showcase in which literally every submission is guaranteed financial compensation no exception?
Why not? You said you support *all* art and *all* artists and that *all* art deserves compensation.
No, you wouldn't, because that's completely unreasonable. You know that.
The reward beard gave artists was an appearance in his art showcase. A reward that everyone received, by the way. This was the only reward promised initially and everyone that participated in this contest did so because they thought it was a fun idea and simply wanted to partake in the fun with the rest of the community.
Then, after pressing, beard announced after the fact that work professional enough to be used by him would be compensated.
There were zero artists who came out of this feeling wronged. You are defending 0 victims. There were zero losers in all of this. All things considered, I think beard did his best to include everyone and act in good faith and be as fair as reasonably possible.
The fact that you haven't yet admitted any of the mistakes you made yet is extremely disappointing.
The fact that you try to frame it as if people that submitted fan art completely willingly just to participate in the fun and be featured in the art showcase are losers is absolutely wild.
You're engaging in this video in such bad faith. As a fan this is really disappointing. If you look at the situation in good faith and give beard the benefit of the doubt this is what we have;
Beard is holding an art showcase in which fans can submit any and all art, including things that could be used on his channel and if he likes it enough to use it on his channel he'll even pay you for it. (This was not initially stated but he quickly addressed it in the comments.)
This is a net positive for anyone that participates BECAUSE no one is doing it for the money and no one had the expectation of being paid. It was something fun for his community to do and inspired creativity.
Initially it seemed he intended to use channel art for free which would not have been right but when questioned he did the right thing.
This currently illustrates the difference between you and beard. When called on your mistakes, you're not willing to admit it and correct course. Again, as a fan this is really disappointing. I hope by the end of the video you acknowledge something and apologize.
You're clearly engaging in this video under the assumption that beards intention was purely to commission as much art as possible for free. You have shown zero evidence to back that up and without so much as a single disgruntled participant to back that theory up your bad faith mentality seems incredibly unwarranted.
I don't understand how providing artwork to support a creator you like(for free) can be portrayed as naivety. It is just a better way of showing them your support than directly paying them on patreon. If someone comes forward complaining that they were promised compensation they did not receive would be another thing, but that did not happen as far as I am aware. The only profit Beard makes on their work is VERY indirect. While I watch most the YT creators involved in this drama I am disappointed in the creators that are catalysts of this drama. The fact that all your points are still exactly the same shows that you are far from the moral high ground you think have here.
I don't think anyone have problem with artist giving their content creator free art, artist can do whatever they want. The problem is Beard asking his fans to create free art to rebrand his channel which means his fans is working for him by creating art which he profits off his fans work. That's not appropriate because he's in a position of power and asking someone to work for free can be seen as exploitative and disrespectful to people's work, effort and skills.
Man, I was expecting you to be more humble and accept that you did Beard wrong. I always loved your channel, but just as you have morals, I have mine too. Being subscribed to a person who tried his best to make someone look bad, then not acknowledging it, shifting the blame, and also not answering the video that called you out is a dirty move. Nowhere in both videos did they say that artists shouldn't be paid, only that you and others distorted the facts to make Beard look bad. You also failed to mention that Beard had a comment on the competition video saying he would pay the artists. - 1 subscriber and a tainted reputation. This is not "A Response"
Tbh as an artists myself I'm conflicted about it. It seems that it was clear in the original video that there would be no compensation, and the artists knew that and submitted their work regardless. Yes, artists SHOUD be paid for their work. But what if someone CHOOSES to work for free? Do we deny them that choice because we think they should be paid?
The focus should be on Beard's intention, after all, why would he ask this if it wasn't just for fun?
The unknown reasons for why he banned Jazzy in all of his platforms is also suspicious, why wouldn't he just talk it out with him? Why would he feel so offended by his opinion if his intentions were completely pure?
@@tamas9554It is clear why Jazzy was banned. ALL DST content creators were banned. Even Guille who had no role in this situation back then and who has less than 5k subscribers. Jazzy must have gotten banned after the Varg farm incident along with everyone else. I am not saying this was the best decision Beard could have done, but it wasn't personal to Jazzy, he did it with all. According to him, he didn't want to do nothing with no content creator, he wanted to do his own thing alone.
A little edit: Guille claims he is banned form commenting on Jazzy's videos so I suppose everyone will be giving everyone thay treatment lol.
@@Sofalando Well, thats pretty insane if I'm honest, going into such extremes for a simple reason like that? :D
Although him saying that he wanted to do his own thing doesn't sound right to me either, because I dislike his channel exactly because he just copied content from the DST fandom wiki.
Literally, some of his videos were copy-pasted from that site, which was rather infuriating when I noticed it
I don't think that's a great argument. Just because somebody wants to do something doesn't mean they aren't being taken advantage of. You see this with unpaid internships that offer experience as the only benefit. Undocumented immigrants might be happy being underpayed by an employer because at least they are being employed. It doesn't make it ethical. I'm not saying what beard did is on the same level as either of those, it seems like he was probably ignorant of why what he was asking for was bad, and then too prideful to admit his mistake and apologize, but what he did was take advantage of his influence to get artists to make branding for him for free.
@@tamas9554 The reason wasn't simple. What at its core was just a misunderstanding between Beard and Gabriel turned into a heated debate in which everyone took Gabriel's words as facts and all blamed Beard. (If you say I am defending Beard here, Gabriel sent out an apology for this situation claiming he was a dumb teenager back then, wanting to get attention and said he regreted the whole thing.) This left many content creators with a negative opinion of Beard and James Bucket even used this as one of the arguments why Beard is a theif in his video about the Art Controversy.
I can't say much about his content, that is not of value to the main topic and is personal opinion. I am just going to say that he has more to his channel than the guides and he also does streams. (It has been 3 years after all, there can't possibly be that many guides).
7:17 you truly believe he should pay everyone that submitted anything? He even paid the winners!
Yeah he should, if you ask ur fans to create artwork to rebrand your business that's asking your fans to do work for your business. Rebranding a business is work so why shouldn't the artist who did the work gets paid? Just because the artwork didn't get chosen as a winner? Not paying people to work is working for free that's exploitative by nature and asking your fans to do work for free for your business is seen as abuse of power.
@@Madfrigif people are fully aware they aren't getting paid for the art they are submiting and are still willing to submit art without any expectation of pay then why even care, they can just not work for free if they don't want to, that's the same exact thing as asking people to subscribe to your patreon, they give you money because they want to support you not because you manipulated them into giving you money, if you are saying what Beard did is bad then any youtuber or content creator with a patreon (or something of the sort) is also a bad person because they "ask for money and abuse their power"
@@predragrandjelovic9116 A lot of problem I see is that people think anyone have a problem with artist giving Beard free art. Artist can do whatever they want. I feel like the problem is Beard asking fans to create art to rebrand his channel. It’s inappropriate because he’s in a position of power and asking your fans to work for you for free for your business so u can profit off their work is nowhere near equivalent as asking for someone to sub to your twitch channel and asking your fans to work for free so you can profit off their work is seen as exploitative.
Everyone who submitted art specifically for beards channel was paid. Any fanart for the actual art showcase went unpaid
@@jeffbezos6974 Okay in that case I'm happy with artist that did the branding work got paid. Although I HEARD only 3 artist got paid (not confirmed) so have you got anything to confirm that claim?
A response video without any response.
There is something super funny about seeing a creator get uber ratio'd in the comments, just shows either a hate barrage or the creator actually taking a wrong step, and with how it feels like that a creator is "invincible" more often than ever too me, I get a lot of enjoyment out of seeing it.
Otherwise, creator, you might want to take this as a sign to consider if this is deserved, and why. Personally, out of what I've seen out of this video, you should just say "yeah, ruining someone for several months, let along years, was not cool. I'll be trying to reconcile that by [insert attempted method here]". Another basically did that and it worked. Actually they even came from the same exposer's later video, so yeah, might just want to say sorry. I think that's all most people are asking out of you. You shouldn't really acknowledge where you were "right" like you are in the comments, it isn't deserved without a sorry LONG before then. Just apologize, quit trying to prove you were right to a small degree, when you caused a lot more wrong.
I’m glad you found my honesty funny but I didn’t ruin anyone. Beard’s channel is going strong and I’m glad it is. I spoke my mind and I’m still glad I did. Anyways, thanks for stopping by to gloat at the ratio.
@@JazzysGames Well, not you alone, and I doubt you intended to, but that doesn't change what happened and that you are partially responsible, intentional or not. I'm glad you are still responding, and I'm sorry if I sounded rude, it's just how I speak. But I do seriously think that an apology without "I was partly right" is what would help. And yeah, the ratios are still funny, usually that doesn't happen. It might be a sign, it might not. I just wanted to point out the ratios. But in the end, wrong was done on both sides but the side you were on just happened to be worse in the modern eyes of people, I don't really know why you haven't apologized yet, it's clear a lot of people (I think it was around 304 dislikes according to my extension) would want that out of you, and that's not counting anyone who was more in the middle who believe you should both apologize. Speaking your mind is always good, but there's a little more that should be on it.
I definitely agree that influential figures shouldn't solicit free labor of any kind from fans, and that this is especially a problem with art, but still think there is room for apology in this instance. You are correct that beard messed up with this announcement and asking for branding in this way, but i think there is room for forgiveness and letting it go given the context and intent.
Beard is not an artist who has dealt with this problem, and in the context of fandom, which features more hobby artists and non professionals, its really common to make, share, and gift art for free. Beards own discord has a thriving art and fan art community, and i believe this is why he decided to do a showcase, and offer people a voluntary extra option to make channel art. Was it still wrong to ask for these things for free? yes, he should be upfront about compensation and not ask to get something that would normally be an expensive commission for free. Was he trying to take advantage of his community artists? I don't think so, and neither do the artists that submitted. His intent in the context of a free, all submissions accepted, showcase gives a lot of context that he was actively trying to boost and celebrate the art of the community in the best way he could.
I think your gut reaction is justified, and as a professional visual artist i would be upset seeing something like that as well, but a situation that should have been an off screen conversation and open apology was escalated in part by your hand, and that's something deserving of an apology. Even considering you couldn't dm beard, i don't think that warrants escalating with a call out video that would do nothing but insight harassment and drama. Even a tweet would have been better. Beards own inability to admit wrong or allow criticism is a problem in of itself, but again not really something i think warrants a whole call out video. I'm also not a fan of beard, nor his own response to the recent video- especially because that video does not exonerate him and points out several instances where he himself messed up and should have apologized, along side showing where things, like your call out video, went too far.
The point of the very video that resurfaced this wasn't to restart old drama, it was to say that making call out videos and in-sighting harassment campaigns, intentionally or not, is not the way to go about handling situations like these. Even if your stance stays the same, as i think it should, take a step back and realize that you did play a part in causing drama and that your level of response was not proportional to the crime. We can hold beard accountable for his mistakes and self righteousness without stooping to the level of ever circulating drama youtubers.
Beard is in a position of power, it's inappropriate for him to use his platform and ask his fans to create free artwork to rebrand his business so he can profit off their work. That is abuse of power and when you ask someone to work for you for free it's seen as exploitative by nature.
You just won't quit! So many people have refuted you...stop before you embarrass yourself even further@@Madfrig
@@lja4508 instead of talking about the core of the argument you just say “you’re wrong don’t embarrass yourself” to try to shutdown any criticisms of Beard
Honestly… the fact that you don’t even link or directly mention the video this is a response to…. Weak.
At 9:20 you are just saying your better than him what substance did any of this response have to show
You’re trying to justify bad behavior. You’re ignoring nearly everything you were criticized for and it’s painfully transparent
I wholly disagree, if other artists do not want to get paid for their art, that's their business, not yours. Beard did not promise to pay the artist. The artist knew they were doing it for free, and were ok with that. Paying some of them was nice, but not necessary in this context. If u refuse to work for free, good for u, but don't force your morals on others. There are plenty of artists who make stuff for free and Beard did not make any money directly from their work. Don't get me wrong, I'm against scamming people, but there was no scam here, because no contract or promise of payment was made.
Beard used his influence and his platform to ask his fans to create free artwork to rebrand his business. That is inappropriate because he’s in a position of power and asking his fans to work for free for his business which he profit from their work is seen as exploitative. No one have a problem with artist if they want to be paid or not the core issue is Beard abusing his power to exploit his fans.
“Beard did not make any money directly from their work” but he did make money from their work directly or indirectly doesn’t change the fact he made money off his fans work. Everyone knows branding can make you money directly or indirectly so just because the money made isn’t directly its still inappropriate for him to abuse his position of power ask his fans to create free artwork to rebrand his business and profit from their work.
@@Madfrigwhat Beard was dubious, but it did not warrant what jazzy and James did
Beard did not put a gun to anyone's head asking for art. @@Madfrig
I do agree with most of the points you made.
However, at least to me, saying "With no mention of compensation" is a misleading. It implies that the people involved were never told and were unclear on if they would get paid thus leaving a good opportunity for some to wrongly expect to have been paid. But this was not the case, there was mention of compensation in that there would be none. Everyone went into it knowing they would not get paid fully intending for all the artwork to be nothing more than a gift/donation, something that everyone was ok with. Though it's not like that makes it ok, it still had opportunity to take advantage of those who didn't know any better. While this would have been a minor nitpick, others have called you out on misleading wording with the previous videos which, rather intentional or not, can and has been extremely hurtful.
At least to me, continuing to use misleading wording after being called out for it, rather it being intentional or not, paints you in a bad light and makes it feel intentionally malicious. (Even though I personally doubt it was intentional but rather a honest mistake.)
I respect your ethics but defamation is not the answer. There were better ways to have tackled this response.
How is it different than what you are doing? Honest question!
defamation is publicly lying about someone and what they did.
jazzy simply called out a action he had a problem with.
you think this is defamation then you should go tell beard to get a defamation law suit going and soon find out how wrong you are.
@@DeadSnail1204but jazzy straight up lied in his original video because he did zero research
Right? Why even make a response if all you're going to do is double down and say 'I'm not sorry, it's all his fault'. I expressed that on his stream and he just got upset and deleted it even though it wasn't disrespectful (I have a screenshot of what I said). He wants all conversation about it tucked away nicely in a corner of his discord so he doesn't have to look at it. Jazzy, you're going to have to live with this the way Beard has for several years.
It's not right that all of these creators spent years disparaging him to act like 'It's only being drug up now by someone who's angry'. No - full stop - there were creators (like in guiles video) who are still using that situation as a running joke in their videos. It might be old news to you because you haven't had to live with it like Beard has, but for him this was an every day thing.
Y'all know *exactly* what you did to his reputation. And you don't care. It's sickening. You can be right about art scams while acknowledging your part in this instead of doubling down and saying it's all his fault because he.. didn't explain the showcase perfectly to avoid any notion of it being a scam even though everyone who participated did so willingly regardless of compensation?
I just want to make him some free art now, in spite of this all. Let's hope they don't try to claim I'm a victim too and then don't actually listen to the 'victims' voice when they say 'I wasn't scammed'. 😂
literally what beard does, delete and block/ban anyone who says anything against him. Seems to me all these dst creators are the same.@@Letycs
9:20 "Beard messed up and in his self righteousness he has never acknowledged that and now that this is all boiled back to the surface I'm being slammed with accusations of things I did not say."
I'm sorry jazzy but saying this makes you a hypocrite because not only could your name be put there instead of beards but you ARE MAKING THE SAME GRAVE MISTAKE THAT HE DID BY IGNORING ANY AND ALL CRITICISM WHICH YOU JUST RIGHTFULLY CALLED HIM OUT FOR.
You call this vid a response but it's just a brick wall, the same kind of wall beard put up 3 years ago.
You gotta be ignoring the feedback to this video by now, otherwise it would be taken down and a new response posted. I used to enjoy your content too. Just take responsibility man... until then 👋
While I have respect for you explaining your stance and standing by it, for video called "A response", you don't directly respond to any points in Guille's video. Artists do deserve to be paid for their work but that's a reductive way to oversimplify Guille's video. Happy New Years.
Bingus
Even though Beard was in the wrong for asking for channel art, he never acted untruthful, which you did.
It shouldn't be that hard to apologize. Yeah, Beard messed up but so do you.
To Jazzy,
this whole situation is messy, but people did get hurt on all sides. Whilst errors were made, all the content creators are at fault. I enjoy the content of you, and beard, and jakey and many others but that doesn't change the facts. Beard messed up multiple times and didn't foresee the consequences. You helped inflame the situation. I know this means little coming from a random person but in my honest opinion you all need to talk it out and, if not apologize for some out there comments, at least meet somewhere halfway. Your feelings are valid, you were concerned for others, but Beard's feeling are real too.
Trust me, you don't want to live a life feeling as though you hurt someone and never got to try to make it better.
- an internet stranger
(p.s. Happy New Years and I loved your thrill of the grill series)
Thank you. I agree it would be best for us to sort this out in private. He has unblocked me on Discord but also told me that anything else I have to say needs to happen publicly. He also is of the mind that the only way forward is for us to fall on his swords. I do concede on several points, the inflammatory rhetoric probably most of all. But I get the sense that it will never be enough.
Honestly no, beard fucked up and calling him out on his mistakes is not a bad thing. Sure his feelings got hurt but that's something that happens when you get confronted by your actions.
No one needs to apologize to him and the fact that he waited so long until way after everyone moved on from the issue shows that he didn't care to take responsibility for his actions. He's a grown ass man, not some kid, he needs to take responsibility for himself and what he does
You helped ruin someone's reputation and you're ok with that! You and the other creators should be ashamed of yourselves!!! Again, what if that was your daughter and family that this happened to?? @@JazzysGames
@@lja4508when did he say he condoned the harassment? he literally condemned the harassment. and yes, he’s not deleting the video but if you see beard’s video about the art ‘showcase’ its titles as content and he says you can ‘win’ in the ‘showcase’.
@@disko567To be fair, Jazzy did nothing about it.
This entire response can be summed up as: you should always pay your artists and I am not going to apologize for expressing this opinion (while ignoring all the problems with his acusations against beard).
Just like he did 3 years ago lmao
Jazzy i love your stuff, i love you, you're great. BUT i will admit guille's video wasn't necessarely trying to defend beard, he himself said (although admittedly in the comments of the video talking to beard) that he wasn't trying to defend his behaviors or past/previous drama he had but simply was trying to call out the fact that beard got extremely harrased. I love ya jazzy, happy new year. The dst community wouldn't be the same without you ❤
I have never seen beard get harassed publicly and i watch his channel so wondering where this harassment is ?
if you're talking about other CZcams channels cracking jokes about him then that isn't harassment, yes we don't like other people speaking bad of us but that doesn't mean they don't have the right to do so especially if they are personally involved / negatively effected by that person.
this would have been very easy to clear up if beard reached out and talked to the people that was supposedly spreading lies about him or made a video himself about the lies about him(which is the normal response to lies being said about you).
the fact that he never refuted any comments for like 3 years and then some 3rd party does and he shares it definitely seems like he has just taken an opportunity made by someone who was clearly trying to defend all beards actions.
I have no ill feeling towards any people involved but yeah doesn't take a analyst to know someone refutes lies about them and ignores unwanted truths.
seem the other guys video and definitely pains one side as innocent victim and everyone else out as lying bullies however its easy to use certain information to solidify your statement while ignoring the existence of information that weakens your message.
@@DeadSnail1204you’ve never seen beard get harassed? Must have never happened, I guess. A+ logic 🤡
Were you here when all this happened years ago? If you were, then you must have been blind and deaf or both to not have seen the harassment Beard got...and if you weren't witness to it, be quiet and watch all the videos and "evidence" pertaining to it! For the record, Beard did try to defend himself with the truth at the time, however, the mob coming for him was so UNFAIR....12 vs 1, plus their audiences! Fair? I think not!@@DeadSnail1204
@@DeadSnail1204You'd think the beard would just leave false hate comments on his video 😂
@@dr.keeperwiggins2377 Could actually be true, since he deletes all other forms of criticism instantly.
"nobody deserve to be harrass, not even people that we disagree with" sure dude, you lied, exaggerated and damaged people name and reputation for the past 4 years. what a hypocrite. as an adult, just grow up, be mature, admit your mistake, apologize and move on. no need to sugarcoat, deflecting and save your ass. geez
Their ego is so big they cant say sorry, not even james
Hi Jazzy! I Iike you, and after this video; I stiII Iike you. You are where and stiII one of my favorite DST content creators.
It seems as if you are not addressing one of the main concerns here. Which is that beard paid artists for art that he used. Artists on the showcase were making art yes, but not beard art. Soo..
Are you saying that beard shouId pay for DST art that he's showcasing but not necessariIy using for his channeI brand? That is not quite cIear here.
WhiIe beard may or may not deserve an apoIogy, i do think the other content creators refusing to acknowIedge receipts of payments is cIear indication that they were purposefuIIy pursuing a vendetta and promoting harassment.
And as you say in this video, that you do not condone harassment. I think you shouId distance yourseIves from other DST content creators who do.
Hi Jason! Let me try to respond to your questions.
I do acknowledge here that Beard paid the winners of the art contest. My issue with this has always been that he asked many artists to submit channel artwork, not just the winners. I think if you ask an artist to do work for your channel you should pay them.
The first part, the showcase, was a separate ask for the purpose of showing off community art. I had no problem with this because it was not to be used commercially, just to be appreciated.
I have not experienced other creators refusing to acknowledge receipts of payments so I’m not sure to whom this is in reference. I also have no knowledge of any of these creators condoning harassment, and it would surprise me immensely to learn otherwise.
I'm going to repeat myself.. as I said in a previous comment....you are so wanting to not admit you are wrong...get over yourself and do the mature thing.... apologize!
You ruined someone's reputation and caused genuine mental/emotional distress to someone.....it's time you own it and stop defending yourself and the other creators....you knew darn well you were all on board to harass Beard.....don't play innocent martyr....
Fully understanding the situation is something I've given up given the ludicrously difficult to navigate terrain between misinformation and moral arguments, but this response seems very out of touch with the people who were originally the ones being defended. Not only (to my knowledge) do most if not all of the artists support beard and were happy to submit artwork for his channel, but your insistence as a professional creative makes it clear you think that these artists are in the same spot. They are not.
To draw for a hobby is fundamentally different from doing it for a living. Sure, these artists may have drawn for a living, but they were not drawing for Beard for a living. They were fans, those who wanted to help Beard and his channel in the best way they knew how. I can understand and agree with the general message of being against asking for free work, but when you look at the "victims" this moral argument is frankly disconnected from reality. They did not feel scammed, and almost four years later they still don't and support Beard. Who are you fighting for? Actual artists, or your idea of justice from a completely different realm of reality that is being a professional doing professional work with professional people?
I cannot support your mindset and this video offers nothing of substance to change my views compared to the well researched and argued video Guille made. It's unfortunate this is the response but I suppose it's better than nothing.
Why does minimum wage exist if workers are happy to work for less than that? The workers don't feel scammed and happy to support their boss.
@@Madfrig You completely ignored the point I made with the difference between doing something as a hobby and something as a living.
@@maddestofmatts7546and you ignored mine. I'm using an example to point out that just because the artist doesn't feel "scammed" doesn't mean they aren't being exploited. And also are you speaking on behalf of all the artists saying all of them don't feel scammed? Artist work have value regardless of doing something as a hobby or as a living.
@@maddestofmatts7546 And you ignored my point. I'm using an example of minimum wage to point out that just because artists don't "feel scammed" doesn't mean they aren't being exploited for free labour. Artists work have value regardless if doing for hobby or doing for a living.
@@Madfrig Then why not just say you believe even hobby work should be treated the same as professional work? Your point is only compelling if you believe that, which I do not. You are arguing in bad faith trying to compare a systemic issue which affects BILLIONS and only applies to those working professionally to what was a community event that involved maybe dozens.
Bro you literally go a dude harassed for over something that the “victims” came out and said beard did not effect them but you on the other hand made them feel ignored yes artist deserve to get paid for submissions that’s there reason for making it for but some just want to share with someone they admire and he set the rules very clearly and they choose to anyway so how bout you leave everybody involved alone
It seems some of my comments are being deleted....just another immature move on this creators part and his audience....I will refrain from saying what I'd really like to say out of respect for Beard, his artists, and his community. Seriously people, see what's really happening....the bullying and such needs to cease!
I haven't deleted any comments. Hang on, I'll check on comments held for review!
LOL
I get you, just like music artist have to work to pay the bills. However they can make the choice to make the art or not. For some it's a foot into the door to get their work seen my way more people and MANY have done this to get their art out. It was a competition yes, but everyone chose to be apart.
That would be like you going to play for the president for free and someone getting mad because you didn't make a dime but now the greater part of America has seen you play. Compensation comes in many different forms.
This is NOT to say that the " I'm paying you in exposure" trope is good or should be accepted as the standard , however I am saying many a musician, artist, sound engineer, tech, and dancer who have done jobs for free just for the prospect of having their name and brand put out to more people and there is nothing wrong for them to make that choice for them.
I don't think anyone have a problem with artist deciding what they want to do. Artist can do whatever they want. The problem is Beard used his influence to ask his fans to create free art to rebrand his business. That is him asking his fan to work for his business for free. That is inappropriate because he's in a position of power and it's a form of abuse of power. And when you ask someone to work for free for a business it's seen as exploitative especially when he's in a position of power.
@@Madfrig forgoing the power part I agree with you. His wording was sketch and not clear at all and I agree on that point that they made. No one stands for harassment we can all agree. His wording was trash however I still have to admit that people joined on their own.
I really appreciate your comments on this. I understand where you're coming from, and I understand that artist compensation is an incredibly important issue to you, as frankly it should be for all of us. But I do think your passion made a situation worse than it really needed to be. I think it was really clear from the beginning that Beard wasn't acting out of malice nor was he an unrepentant art thief as I think many people got the impression, in no small part because of your video. I also think if you'd been able to contact him privately and discuss your concerns, then things could have been resolved without any drama. I *also* think that if Beard had responded publicly at the time and taken the concerns as concerns instead of attacks and getting defensive, this wouldn't still be coming up 3.5 years later. I frankly think you both (not including James here) share equal blame in making the situation a lot worse than it needed to be. But I appreciate and understand your explanation of your part in it.
I'm a bit concerned that you seem to maybe think there were ulterior motives to the investigation video and why it's been so long? I may be misreading you, but just in case, I just want to point out that regardless of if you had moved on to other concerns, the internet has not allowed Beard to do so, and I think he deserves the right to explain his side on his own timeframe, even if it is years later.
I also do understand you leaving up the video, and I don't feel like I have any right to be upset or not by that decision. I would, however, suggest pinning a comment on that video with a link to this one? Just my two cents on that. 🙂
Regardless of where I disagree with your actions, I really appreciate you condemning harassment and attacks. I know we all think that others in our own communities will act in alignment with our values, especially when you're the curator of said community, but it's important to remember that we're still on the internet and while it should be really easy to assume that people know better, they never will, and that your words have a lot of power. I'll continue to watch and support your content because I really enjoy it and you, just as I watched and supported Beard when I believed he was the only one in the wrong because I enjoyed him and his content. I hope you're both able to find some peace after this.
Happy new year to you and your beautiful family, Jazzy! I hope it's a great one! 😊
BRU ITS A FAN ART WHAT DO YOU WANT have agood day
if its only for fan art showcase maybe it wont be this loud of dramas. bread basically asking stuff to be used on his channel, even give specification detail on how the resolution of each item cus he will use it on his banner emotes etc on youtube and twitch.. its just an exploit just because u have fan following u and u just make them all make free stuff and choose one of many participant without any practically nothing, no repay with money nor shout out to the artist.
@@lactobasilusprotectus4939 Shout out shuld be whats needad mony hell no
someone give me the timestamp where he apologies to beard and his fans I'm not tryna watch this whole video.
without watching i can say a guy like this, with his head up his rear, apologized at time 1/0:1/0
@@sunnykotwar Huh?
@@dr.keeperwiggins2377he didn't really apologize
@@dr.keeperwiggins2377 1/0 = infinity
He didn't. He basically said that he is not sorry for the video he has done. He is only against the harassment, but also never apologized for that
Jazzy, I am a huge fan of your recaps and most of your videos in general but I am just so confused about your stance here. I think uou have a fundamental confusion of beards request. He clearly stated if you wanted to change the art on his channel go ahead. You and all the other creators called out beard have made beard a target and a laughing stock of the community.I’ve never liked beard but the constant attacks he has continued to endure because of the gas your poured on that fire is insane. The beard has continued to be harassed for somethings that jus aren’t true and it’s excused but he’s already hated bu the rest of the community. I’m not saying your the cause of all of this but it’s crazy that your refuse to take more than a shred accountability just because your belief that all artist deserve pay. This “response” is super weak and fails to address any of the real complaints agaisnt you.
Would you be open to an open diolog with him on a live? Present your stance on the matter to his face and hear his stance and squash the beef?
this would be watched by so many. But beard would NEVER do that trust me, and i do not know Jazzy well enough but from his community's comments, i suspect neither would he.
at this point they just want to carry @@Jane-gj7po
There is a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding. Don't trust anyone
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Refusing to accept accountability for his misinformation on beard not paying his artists is really upsetting. I can stand behind the idea that you should stick to what you believe. But your not infallible to mistakes that can come from what you believe in. good intent or not... If he wants to hold his stand thats fine. But jazzy needs to understand that he also has a brand. He also is an influencer and by presenting is opinion on his platform. He is "attacking" just as much as he claimed beard and the other guy are. Condemning the audience you directly influenced is not anyones elses fault but your own. I hope he realizes that. Im not a beard fan nor do i think beard handled this in anyway like an adult but the silver lining has to start somewhere.
Don't move the goal post man, I shouldn't need to stop the video to comment this, listen I understand where you are coming from but there are 2 problems 1 you and James made him do it and people were willing to do it and don't force people to get something that at the end of the day they don't want this should not be a hard thing to see, 2 there is a line and should never cross it and you and James crossed as soon as you lied and said half-truths as well as some other issues, I don't care what you think about what beard did if you are not going to say what should have been said and not lie about it, also it is not a competition because there are no winners or losers you just made it that way, you aren't going to win this fight with this horrible response, if you want to save your career then you will apologize personally to beard and delete the video and this horrible response and maybe do a charity Livestream or something because all you have done is made things worse by responding in the way that you did and if you don't see it now you will soon, the reason why I know is that I been on CZcams for a long time now and have been around many circles some of which is drama focused because I don't want to support bad people and frankly you are a bad person even if you had good intentions
you do realise many artists work for free of there own choice thinking its for exposure, yet years later realise how much of a mistake it was and how they was used to work for free?
don't exactly need to be a artist yourself to see this ,also why you here on this channel if you don't support this channel.
seems to me you are biased and only watch / side with beard.
i watch both I can see both sides and agree with both i different ways.
also no person is bad that is just a very childish view on the world, just because you disagree with some doesn't make them bad ,neither does a single bad action.
intentions determine how something was meant, if your intentions don't matter and you "bad" based on someone taking offence or disagreeing then everyone would be under that label.
@@DeadSnail1204 I came here because I was subscribed, key word being was, I also am not biased because that is why I came back here, you on the other hand would not be saying this if you actually watched the video as they all came out to say that it wasn't a contest and it was for exposure, there was no payment exactly, beard has a discord tab (I think that is what it ks called) where art was ment to be shared and this alone dismantle the claim as people where doing there way way before the showcase, listen bud I am not good at explaining things although you have mad me mad because you are the one biest here as I believe beard and gully I believe was his name because he shared receipts while James and jazzy haven't, everything they said can be proven false or half-truths no questions asked, as a person who have been on CZcams and been around many circles I have defended pedos, manipulators, and people who just had a agenda to push, I have been wrong many of times and that caused me to give people chances as well as look at fact rather than what I feel, I go through every controversy with an open mind and make my own decisions, if I didn't then why would I came back and watch this video to start to finish to see if he apologized in some way or at the vary least shown his own receipt showing that he was right and gully was wrong but I didn't get any of that, what I got was a man who either is so incompetent to realize that he is in the wrong or is trying to move the goal post once again and ignore all the things said, I can also tell that he isn't in the right as 1 this isn't an apology which would have excused, 2 the video was like 9 minutes long (I would have to double check) instead of the nearly and hour of a video that was Jam packed with receipts and commentary talking about the receipt with even correcting some of the things be said both as the background images and in the comments while jazzy here had only said things that he has always said but in a way that he thinks will save his image and justify the video being up and so he doesn't need to apologize, i will ask you this, what research have you done because all you need to do is look at everyone commenting, you look so ignorant that you might actually be an alt account for how much you don't know or choose not to talk about
I'm having a hard time understanding what, if he framed it as a competition and paid the people he chose to use, the problem is. The artists that participated knew that they might not be picked and therefore wouldn't be paid. Unless I'm misunderstanding what happened according to this video. I totally agree that artists deserve to be paid, but there are lots of competitions out there where winners win and losers get nothing which is what the expectation should be when it is a competition.
This video is the first I've heard about this situation, so if I'm misunderstanding then I apologize but I felt like you were pretty clear.
I appreciate you calling out the people harassing on both sides, we def need some more love going around.
It began as a fan art celebration & appreciation, which should have been a great idea. But then it evolved to "Oh, and by the way, in addition to your DST fan art, please send me the Twitch emotes, Discord emotes, channel artwork, etc. Here're the dimensions, here're the specifications...." And these 2 very different ventures: fan art contest and comissioning branding artwork for his channel - were bundled together as a "fan art contest".
After the contest was finished, Beard used the artwork on his platforms. Seeing this, people began calling him out for exploiting his fan base - organizing a fan art contest is awesome, but asking your fanbase to create specific commercial stuff for you like channel artwork, emotes and banners for free is definetely not. So, Beard paid the artists who "won" the "fan art contest".
P.S. A comment from my personal experience. I used to work in marketing, and yeah, all your brand components - logo, "tone of voice" in your marketing materials, brand colors, brand sounds, etc. - have a tremendous impact on how your brand is perceived by the audience, what things & feelings are associated with it. For example, take "Coca-Cola". The company has put enormous amount of money & effort into creating and supporting the Coca-Cola brand so that people associate the drink with Chrismas, Santa Claus, having good time with their friends, feeling happy, smiling (instead of associating Coca-Cola with how many sugars it contains and how drinking it a lot is bad for your health). And now when people are feeling these good feelings, when they're celebrating something with their friends, they think of Coca-Cola thanks to its' marketing and then they're much more likely to go buy it.
Same thing with creators - creating a personal brand is essential for a content creator's success. Are you funny? Or are you more mature and serious? Do your videos have this cozy feeling, and it's awesome to watch them before bed? Or maybe you're highly skilled at your game of choice but constantly flame your opponents, making them tilt and rage quit? Are you a relatable "Jenny from the block" or do you excessively flaunt your wealth to your audience to show everyone how successful you are?
Each creator needs to find their personal niche, their own tone of voice, in order to gather audience. And your editing, logo, channel intro, music, banners, emoji, etc, etc are all there to help you with projecting your desired personal brand to your audience. Being recognizable, memorable is extremely important for content creators - that's how they become more popular, get more subsribers, more views, more money from advertising and sponsoring.
And that's why creators are paying their artists and editors a good buck - creators are directly profiting from having a brand! And for me, it's morally wrong to ask people to do something for you for free when you will be profiting off their fruits of labor. That's called exploitation.
P.P.S. Sorry that this has become a long read, I guess I'm also passionate about the topic 😅 Cheers, and wishing you all the best in this new year!
@@MansuetudoDei you should repost and make this shown to other people
@@MansuetudoDei I appreciate you taking the time to explain what happened to me. I didn't realize that him paying the "winners" only came after community outrage. That makes a big difference for sure. Thank you!
@@lactobasilusprotectus4939 Thank you! Done, but for some reason my @ tags have not been activated in the repost 🤷♀
Watch the videos yourself.....why are you blindly following and agreeing without knowing the true facts.....@@seniorfiance
basically this video : uhhh I have a family, I have a family, uhhh I am a father soooo I wont take responsability for my actions and I wont apology
You’ll hear what you choose to. I said my piece and I was honest about why I said what I said. I apologized for the tone but the message was important.
@@JazzysGames no it wasn't, this is a pointless video and you basically are okay with ruining someone's reputation for your own good, I hoped the best of you jazzy, but I guess in the end of the day you can't trust anybody....
@@Juli-gj6xvtbf beard blocked jazzy before he could talk to him. And beard hid his video instead of just saying things to clear up any misconceptions.
Mate... Whatever man, this video kinda stinks.
Always enjoy the videos you do, they are fun to watch and always give good info. I'm sure i speak for some people who view both your videos and his when i say. Life isn't always easy and sometimes things get rocky and someone gets hurt rather ignorance, misunderstanding, or pride but at the end of the day i believe the important thing is that those who feel remorse even if its not outright said are not bad people. Things may not seem as a big of a deal to someone looking at a situation or profession from the outside but to those who enjoy it or relies on it for a living see it differently. The point I'm trying to make is that no matter what goes on behind the scenes there's some out there who'll stand behind the youtubers they support regardless of what happens baring something crazy extreme.
Though I do hold the same opinion of artists being asked to make free work is wrong and what beard did was quite scummy, beard still deserves an apology from you. Whether you intended it or not, beard still recieved harrasement because of what you said. (Btw I fully believe that your intentions was not to cause harrasement towards beard and it was just to tell people about something you feel very strongly about).
Also where is the next Merm on the Moon video coming out lol.
This is such a nice video, I'm glad people are still capable of solving problems online.
My opinion is that this entire situation could have been solved initially in a discord dm, and escalated further if need be.
I also have a passion for music. You are awesome!
It was never fully resolved though.
Happy New Year Jazzy. Your content inspired me to play Don't starve. Your wholesome attitude and genuine respect for the average person is quite magnanimous. Overall I believe you have a genuinely positive effect on people in your community. It's unfortunate that this controversy only serves to give that person more attention. I hope you find a way to separate from it somehow. Everything is forever on the internet
I feel like most people don’t just view jazzy as part of this controversy. I think most people are reasonable enough to separate people from the bad things they’ve called out, just most reasonable people don’t enter the comments
Check out the true definition of "wholesome"....it reads: "conducive to or promoting moral well-being".....He and the others were certainly less than wholesome when they defamed Beard and harassed him, his artists, and audience! Opposite of wholesome!
No good will come from an argument
@lja4508 Where's the evidence that shows anyone defame Beard?
to say someone defame anyone you have to prove that -
the statements are untrue (provide evidence)
the person speaking knew they were untrue at the time of the event (provide evidence)
but they said them anyways (provide evidence)
Wow 3 years really has passed - Manga
Even just a little gift would be way better than nothing
From my own experience, i would work on an illustration for 10 hours to just get a card that have someone's sign on it
So it's not how much he paid, but did or didn't
Hope my English skill is good enough to represent my thought 😔
"Beard messed up, and in his self righteousness he's never acknowledged that."
Well isnt the pot calling the kettle black. You messed up when you draggwd a fellow content creator for not paying artists when he did. You cant even acknowledge why you would've been blocked. You want to respect the fans decision to make are for the showcase, and yet you still say its a bad thing. Which is it? Why is saying sorry and acknowledging you made a mistake so hard. The drafging you got in this video's comments is way more deserved than what Beard got for years. Beard publicly asked and gave the artist the situations privately. You publicly harrased and dragged someone because ypu didnt want to do propper research. Any point you have about "artist getting paid" is gonna be burried under those facts. You want to make a point then do it when its proper.
I think I see a question in the middle of that, happy to clarify that point again. I had no problem with the art showcase because none of it was being used for commercial use, unlike the art being requested for the second half which was to be used for branding and channel artwork. I don’t think it’s wrong to donate your work to a cause you believe in but I do think it’s wrong to ask for someone to do work for free. Beard paid the artists whose work he used like I acknowledged in my video. He did not pay every artist he invited to submit artwork to. This has been my problem from the beginning. I hope I have answered your question.
People should be free to share their art for free if they want to.....
Agreed! If an artist offers up work and refuses the offer of payment then good on them. My concern is with the recipient asking for work in the first place and not offering money. I hope that makes sense.
I think this community should be a bit more merciful and call people in private first before going to public, the reaction of some people online was very harsh with Beard as you said in your video.
I mean, if i did a mistake I would preffer people to coming to talk with me first to see if I would change my mind and solve the problem.
@JazzyGames, as far as i’m concerned Beard basically said: “if you are making fan art anyway, why not adapt it to these specifications so it can be a part of the channel?”. Beard wasn’t straight up asking for work, he was asking if people wanted to make a few changes to their art that they were going to make anyway to contribute to the channel. Another thing, by implying that he must pay for all submitted art works, even those he didn’t use, you also imply that all creators have to pay for all fan art they receive in any context, because, at the end of the day, Beard made it quite clear that he wasn’t going to give anything in return for the submissions.
@@JazzysGamesExcept it wasn't a concern since you made accusations instead, beard then went on to pay his artists (which they refused) and you still commented that you were doubtful that he payed them all. Essentially you were out to vilify him. If you were really concerned you would have reached out to him first.
Why was this your business? Do you make sure other people know if you're getting paid from one of your music "gigs'? Do you make it public knowledge about you getting paid and what for? You don't have a clue what this is all about...you say you don't condone harassment, yet you are continuing to do so along with your supporters.... @@JazzysGames
Work in Progcess
This video felt like Jazzy saying I did nothing wrong and beard was the cause of this. You said his reputation was damage because of his action, which is true, but this didn't happen in a vaccum. Your interaction did also damaged his reputation. The way you framed the video is what caused the harm. I am not saying put the burden on the victum, but allegations still hurt people. I had freind who was accused of SA by a fellow classmate, and it turned out the allegations was false. The damage it caused was bad. To say the lesset. I'm not trying push you as the fail guy, yet saying your action did not cause harm is wrong. What is wrong is not taking any acountable for action. Basied on your peronsal experincae, you felt like something wrong was happening. It easy to look back say what people could of do differently. Standing by your action is fine, but denning any wrong doing just makes you shit person. You gluossed over the fact, your video did mislead viewers. It is okay to be wrong, yet sticking to your guns, and not admiting any wrong doing makes you look worse. You had a problem with beard's showcase, when the prolbem is with the entire industy, where being well known changes the type of market in from a buyer's market to a seller's market. This power inblance is terrablie, explusly when you are relatively unknown in the space. Only the top 40 muscian make money from going on tour. For the rest of them going tour is a bad fincainulaty discusion. Your video did feel like you were trying to posusioned the well.
Work in progrecss
Happy new year jazzy!
Nothing to do with the video, could Jazzy make a video about Shipwrecked Crocpots?Just starded playing and is VERY different from normal Don't Starve
Sure! Lemme cook on that for a minute…
Thanks
I feel my resolve and strong feelings about justice have been just about drained by this topic.
I was there 3 years ago when this first happened. Back then, I watched about every DST video I came across. Including Beards, Jazzy’s and James’.
The controversy didn’t sit well with me even then. Though I eventually decided to stop watching Beards content. This was less so because of the controversy, and more because it made me critically reevaluate Beard as a creator. His wiki style videos struck me as somewhat uninspired and I got triggered by some other things.
Now, 3 years later the drama comes back, and my will to discuss or investigate it further has just drained. I feel like I am a spectator who left the play as an actor long ago and is now sitting in the audience. Yet still emotionally invested.
I’ve always liked the DST community. I’d say it is generally pretty nice, with a few bad apples here and there. I’ve also always thought our CZcamsrs were generally pretty cool people.
I’m tired of drama like this, though I understand it was probably inevitable. I don’t want to ignore it, or devalue it.
I’m just a bit sad at seeing a community that’s dear to my heart this divided, although I don’t play as much anymore. I have more than 2000 hours on this game, most of them acquired about 3 years ago.
I just wanted to express my feelings on the situation. It’s just a bit of venting I guess, but it’s harder to explain to my friends who haven’t had the same experience as me with this community. That’s why I’m leaving this here :)
I wish I could help you friend do you need any quick info to understand what the problem is with his video?
I am a drama man who watches drama to keep away from bad people, that is the only reason I watch drama I just don't want to be on the wrong side of things morally if you don't like drama then that is ok but I want to help you understand or at least show a link to the video that made this drama reserfes (I have a spelling condition so sometimes I can't spell things) but be warned it is a long video with a lot of reading as well as listening, it was quite a watch and had to get rid of at least 3 channels because of the video
Heh, I’ve watched everything on the situation. I’v watched Guille’s, Beards, and Jazzy’s videos. I’ve watched discussions in the comments. I’ve watched discussions in a Discord.
I’m not conflicted over which side I should take. Three years ago I took a very pronounced side and well, I’m mostly done with taking a side in these situations, at least this quickly.
What a bs response. Sorry my guy. I wasnt waiting for a 1 hour long review, but only saying artist should be paid (they already have), and say nothing else... "cricket sounds"
Love ur content, this has no effect on ur content, i enjoy seeing diffrent povs . This is honestly the most reasonable. We have become to soft nowadays u r completely correct
Let me rephrase i watched guilles video i mean i get ur point and i get others point if no one was hurt i guess ur point gets invalidated put if people were victimized i stand with your point, but who am i to speak i wasnt affected😅. Although i feel this is an old subject we should move on
Yay! Incredble how early I am
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POG! I didn't know you like DST! Certainly a boon to have the same name everywhere!@@slemsvamp
I gotta be honest, I’m new to this whole thing, I’m not really playing sides but jazzy I enjoy your content, a lot, I will say though that no one deserves harassment, I watch both you and beard and I enjoy both of your content, I’m sorry to hear that your dealing with harassment and I hope for the best of you and your family, I believe you’re a good man, I don’t know you personally and I’d love to one day but it sounds like your a family man, which gives you credibility in my book, look I know I said I wasn’t playing sides but personally I agree with you and to be honest this should not have arisen again 3 years later, I wish you the best of luck jazzy I love your content and I think your a good man. (Also I’d love to see some more solo dont stave content)
Edit: also I don’t believe you should take down the video, you have your rights to voice your opinion in this and in any situation
Gotta say, being on the receiving end of the harassment Beard has been dealing with personally, this and the other creators have NO clue what the harassment and bullying did to Beard and his life......should really be ashamed of themselves
Happy New Year to you as well, Jazzy. I hope you enjoy 2024 with your family!
I'm glad that your video has been released. I'm glad that you have responded to what's happening.
I've been doing art since I was a kid. It's my passion and what I really love. I don't think I can live without it.
After these recent dramas have started, I've met a lot of artists who came to join the controversy and speak up for themselves about making an art work for their admired person for free. I don't know if they have spoken to defend or validate what Beard did. I have learned that all of us don't have the same opinion when it comes to it, and I will be believing in their opinions.
I myself have been manipulated to make art for free for someone before. It has been a nightmare to this day because the work that I have done is still up there. I was asked to make art for free because the person who asked for it used to be one of my best friends. He told me that he really needs some help from an experienced artist who can update his social platforms for vlogs. He mentioned that if someone asks for it, he will let them know that it was made by myself, and he will pay me if he earns some money from making vlogs.
Since I'm very supportive and I value him a lot, I made a lot of art for him to use. He never mentioned me when someone asked for it. He just said that it's really cool or that it's really good.
We had a ridiculous argument after a few weeks. He was asking for artwork again, and I told him that I couldn't do it since I'm going to be busy for a while at work. He was mad about it and told me that I could do those things later and prioritize his request. We have stopped talking ever since and to this day.
I admit that I shouldn't have done it in the first place and truly regret it, but I took that opportunity to learn from my mistakes. I stopped making art after that because it reminded me of him manipulating me.
I used to be one of Beard's fans when I was new to the game. But then I saw your video three years ago.
Ever since then, I have stopped watching him and unsubscribed immediately. This is when I joined other content creators and their servers.
I saw a lot of beautiful art from artists in other servers, and that inspired me to go back to my passion again. I'm happy that I'm able to share my artwork there and receive lots of compliments from it.
Your video that you posted a few years ago inspired me to believe that I deserve value and to learn how to prevent being taken advantage of. It's really one of the reasons why I'm still making art after what happened to me. I do believe that your video from 3 years ago shouldn't be removed to inspire other artists like me who had the same experience.
In my opinion, I do believe and agree that he caused the drama in the first place, and he should've known that it would impact his career. I never heard that he admitted his mistakes, and that could've been nice and lessened the hate that he's receiving. The fact that, to this day, he doesn't admit it is wrong. The fact that people are blaming you for what happened to him is wrong.
I hope that I can see your music in the future! It would be lovely to see your passion and your art.
Happy New Year!
The amount of thought that went into the exact wording in this video is evident. Standing one's ground while giving a measured response in a situation like this isn't easy. It shows character, or rather the reasons you won't back down show character. You're clearly less interested in defending yourself personally than you are in defending artists as a whole. I'm sure I'm not the only one that sees and appreciates that.
This is a great video. It was neat to learn more about Jazzy, too. Having said -
I've commented on the Beard drama a few times and I'm going to share a point I made about it to a friend. First of all, (no offense intended here), when given the two options of bad intention and ignorance, the speaker comes off a bit underhanded: Saying someone could be acting in ignorance is unnecessary when the morals involved are not so cut and dry. I understand Jazzy's not a fan of working for exposure or for free, but the context here is people directly asking him to do so. I agree with him - their requests are outright disrespectful and gross.
When you order DoorDash, etc and you're one of those people who offer a $0.00 tip, no one has to pick your order up. Likewise, if a content creator has a community event with his followers with no tangible prize, no one has to participate. People choosing to participate here is of their own volition - likely someone with time on their hands and younger fans, eager to be part of something - and you (a nonparticipant or a critic) recognizing the value of autonomy and personal motivators is important in the world of networking and successfully socializing. You also need to learn to not filter everything into either ignorance or malicious intent - there are other options.
As an artist (that didn't participate / care at the time), Beard's request was not a tall order. If we borrow "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs," imagine that you have nothing better to do and coming up with something could take all of an hour. You submit it, you had fun. You almost even forgot about it. Now... If it feels like you're investing too heavily in the request, spent all day on it, and feel bummed out no one cared, maybe that tired but fitting Marx slogan doesn't apply to you.
Either way, not everyone involved is a victim because you choose to adhere a monetary value on everything done. You know making a sandwich is a job, right? Is this why boomers get mad when they have to make their own?
If Beard was like DSP and berated and threatened his fans for not participating, the conversation would be different, but that isn't the case. He wasn't acting out of ignorance, either - he just isn't you. And that doesn't make him less of a quality person.
But anyway-
I think some people have convinced themselves that it's only work worth being paid for if you're miserable doing it. (As a result of them being miserable at their own job)
I had the same experience in my photography side gig: " It's easy! You're just pressing the shutter button! "
I feel for you.
I hope to become a musician, though i will still express my opinions and what i believe you, and all involved on both ends should work towards:
▪Beard is 100% different when it comes to art now from that one mistake. He pays from discord exclusive emotes to everything. He has learned from that mistake. Guille has mentioned that Beard has made mistakes in this situation aswell.
▪I believe everyone should come together and work towards for a big apology. Beard has apologised for the varg farm misunderstanding (i can't remember if he had for the art contest mess up, though if he had not he should say something), though everyone should climb and work towards closure. It feels unhealthy for some viewers and most content creator in the dst community to have grudges against each other, it sucks seeing people's worst be brought out which undermines who they are behind the screen- it is the internet effect, we see everyone we disagree with as "enemies". Everyone should consider what is going on behind the screen for everyone.
Beard has 100% faced the worse for years due to this , though I really hope we can all work towards a good conclusion to this with no threats, pitying or alike.
Sorry but the video Beard made entitled "I'm sorry but it's time to apologise" He does not really apologise, nor does he even acknowledge, once again, that he did anything wrong. Jazzy has apologised for the harassment his video has caused, but he is sticking to his beliefs. Now idk who is worse out of the 2, but for one since i've had very bad experiences with beard personally, i am leaning towards the latter.
This video is a joke i really gave you the benefit of the doubt thinking you would actually make a genuine apology for making someone victim of cancel culture and severely damaging their career with your own brand of "justice" but no you just decided to double down defending people who don't even want you to defend them and show zero remorse. make a real apology.
he's not going to make an apology. He said that pretty clearly.
as an artist myself i personally dont think criticizing beard was a call to action for harassment. lets be honest the majority of dst players are kids and if people took jazzy’s and james' videos as a justification for hating on beard thats the audience’s problem. Those videos were very obviously dedicated to the younger artists who were taking up these contests where the only prize was exposure. If even that. Because if beard only payed the artists that he ended up hiring thats still kind of shitty. And noone in the dst fandom OWES beard anything, if you didnt like his vids you dont owe to watch him now. If you judge him based on just the way he handled his art contest thats on you. Beard doesnt deserve hate for what happenned. Criticism? I think yes. And same goes for jazzy and james, the internet is blowing this whole situation way out of proportion as always
u wild for this take but i respect it, i can submit a 2 min sketch and get paid
An invitation like that It is predatory indeed, and as an artist who has seen that same tactic first hand is insulting to see it on a community we are part of... Happy New Year Jazzy, I hope this controversy don't grow anymore and everyone can move forward.
Its your true, and your reasons. Glad u did that, it shows that u clean for bad intentions and its all that matter in the end. Im sorry this situation feels like u have to defend yourself tho. Pretty wild days due wild situations eh.
Happy new year.
Thank you for this video. I have only ever gotten 1/2 way comments and items when streaming on what this was all about. Happy to hear so much more in detail what its all about. ART takes, time, passion and work! - Time worked is time paid. I agree and pay my artist and love them. Thank you for the work you do, I love that you share your passion and option. Please keep it up. To all the artist out there, Get paid! Don't work for free unless you are choosing to! - I donate some photography work each year to a silent auction because I align with there goals, this is how I support them. Streamers - dont ask for people to submit art for free. I will be there with you on the hill. Thank you for the video!
I will start by I love your videos... this is yes to soften the blow... You are taking personal experiences in which you were a victim to persecute someone for not mentioning compensation... The mention of compensation would have driven an insane volume of bs content purely on the promise of use and compensation for something that was a simple hey, I would love to have great art that people who value me want to showcase and compensate base on use of said content. I can't draw or program but at the attempt for free money I might give it a shot 5 bucks is 5 bucks right? Thats ridiculous... you want everyone to receive a participation trophy.. in the real world there are winners and losers and when DS/T came out it was completely unforgiving... my first ever death was to a bee... not a killer bee... a bee... 10 ish years ago... how can you play a game like this for this long at your level and then expect that everyone is just magically entitled to receiving the same perks you worked so hard for? I dont understand why all of this is coming up again.. the night I found yours and Buckets videos I wanted to immediately unsubscribe from him... after Guille's video I wanted to unsibscribe from all of you.. I get you had personal trauma, Your message isn't invalid but to continue to keep a video up that tarnishes someone elses name adds a blemish to yours. You should remove the video... if only to remove the blight on the community and the horribly foul commentary that is made slandering beard in so many videos comments... "oh I hope 666 with the lucious facial hair doesn't claim this as his own" are the kinds of toxic comments that are out there as a direct result of yours and James and Jakeys videos... its gone too far.
No idea what any of this is about, but I never liked beard regardless, so 🤷♀️
I agree with you
How do you not see you should apologize. This response is weak, no direct response to anything said. You are a CZcams content creator, your words, have more weight, especially within your own community. You may not have condoned it, but you, and your video made a bad situation worst. You and James are a massive reason the hate and harassment have escalated to the point it has. You didn’t do any research of your own, and all you did was jump on the bandwagon of another person that didn’t like him. The very least, you should be apologizing for helping create what you say you don’t condone.
Harassment is never the answer, but that doesn’t actually lessen what Beard actually did. Don’t harass anyone, but you call someone out and not watch them without harassment. Thank you for saying this now and originally, I wouldn’t’ve known if it weren’t for you calling out something bad
Always preferred your content over Beard's. You're higher quality, more entertaining, and you seem like a really nice guy. So don't worry too much, just keep doing your thing and people will love it.
Your comments never stopped me from watching Beard's videos and I personally don't see how anything you said was blowing things super out of proportion, but this could also be because I'm 34 and have enough drama in my personal and work life where I never found myself engaging one way or the other in internet drama.. I'm gonna say this: thank you for your effort in creating useful and insightful DST guides I loved the thrill of the grill series and I find your streams on Twitch super relaxing. Catch you over on Twitch soon :)