Subaru Impreza WRX STI Cosworth CS400 VS Mitsubishi Lancer EVO X FQ400 w/ DRAG RACE
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- What is the most difficult motorsport question in recent times...? There's a good chance the burning question, especially motorsport related, is which car is better out of the Subaru Impreza and Mitsubishi Lancer EVO.
This video tries to show you how special both cars are, and indeed how close they are in every way with these ultimate AWD cars - with a light hearted drag race
Which is better for you the Evo or the Scooby (Subie)?!
Paul Woodman and Tiff Needell take out the Subaru Impreza WRX STI Cosworth CS400 and the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO X FQ400 for possibly the ultimate AWD head to head, with a [fun] drag race between the cars at the end.
Huge thanks to Bradley and Matthew Carr and also BunningGarages.co.uk, Wolverhampton Subaru Specialists, together with Island Garage for making this happen - plus our dear old friend, Steve in his 500+ bhp monster!
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Scooby (Subie) or Evo? Let us know in the comments below!
Scooby-Doo, Where Are You!
Evoooo
Try to get an fq440 guys i've never seen a review of that car.
We call them both in the US. Scooby or subie.
I own a Subaru currently but really I can't choose between them. Both fantastic.
The winner is whoever owns either one of these cars.
interceptor ok, ok... 💯 spot in there. 😎
Fukin a lol
Well I lost.. I guess
Yup
@Leonardo Alonso you dont have a problem. Anyone who doesn't like evo's or sti's does have a problem. Haha. Own a va sti myself, but that fq400 looks really good.
In the end, they are both incredibly amazing. As an Evo fan myself, I just cannot bring myself to not like a STI. Both are beautiful, powerful and legendary.
R.I.P. Lancer Evolution
R.I.P. Colin McRae
“I’ve got this Subaru Impreza Cosworth WRX STI CS400”
“...I’ve got an Evo”
You forgot the "FQ400" part. Thank You 🙌
Nuff said 😂
An Evo Morales
Mitsubishi needs to get back into developing Sports Sedans again. Get your financies together Mitsu 🤬
Now you are talking
Oh that would be friggin awesome! I love mitsubishi. Eeeeeevvvvvvoooooo....eevo...eevo..eeeeevvvvoooo!
Agreed too bad there making a evo SUV (stupid ugly vehicle)
N Style motorsports racing its not comfirmed tho
The EVO 11 is cuming up as a hibrid or all electric thay are doing it, sorry for the bad spelling
Winner goes too........ Whoever dumps the damn clutch the hardest and doesn’t mind having 1st and 2nd gear synchros....
that is so true!
Unless you have launch control and you dont want to just dump the cluch. With mine i let the cluch out somewhat slow at first and then quickly and im spinning all four wheels throughout first gear.
@@zokusharuuku1091 might get a better launch but I bet your clutch is wearing faster letting it drag like that. less shock to your drive train is a plus though.
@@DWinzZz Matthew Simmons Its honestly the best way to launch an awd car though. Even with my buddy's evo making 380whp, slip a little, then all in. Best 60ft that way. Dumping it just spun more.
@@lovecarsTV did you but the car is sss mode it's a launch mode
Something about seeing an Evo that always gets me excited. Sounds like a fighter jet
Mitsubishi did make the Zero Fighters...so...
driving a WRX .. EVOs rattle me
@@drb_kd they beat you with ease to.
Who on Earth would put a blue enterior inside a red car. I mean if you had the option why would you pick that color scheme
PRANKurFACE maybe a Glasgow rangers fan
I would completly agree with this except the 2004/05 sti's came with blue and black seats no matter what color the car was so both companies did this
PRANKurFACE thought of that to
I was wondering the samething
2005 still have that blue seat on every color....lol
Puts a smile on my face every time I sit in my Evo X
Lucky man! Exciting cars
@@lovecarsTV yes indeed
Drag race starts at 12:15
♫ SlamminUK ♫ thanks
Not all heroes wear capes
That was it? Saved 12 minutes of my life thanks
THX
And they didn't drag race... pretty sure that was scripted to be a close race/photo finish. Leaving it up to viewers to decide
Since when has the CS400 been twin-turbo? 🤦🏼♂️
I like Scoobies but my heart belongs to the EVO
Fair enough
Mitsubishi in 2003: Selling cars like the Evo VIII
_15 years later..._
Mitsubishi in 2018: Selling the Outlander PHEV and the Eclipse Cross...
*WE HAVE TO GO BACK*
Josh Bacon don’t forget the fucking eclipse cross
Bro very true we have to go back
So true
The last gen Eclipse was nothing but a decent body style..actually great for the time, IMO..but zero lovability when it came to performance. Moving the brand to a crossover SUV....and after dropping the Evo. Sadly, there is nothing in their lineup that isn't boring AF now. I will say that the 4g69 is sturdy though, my ex ran her Eclipse bone dry of oil, to the point one of the plug gaskets melted a bit, and I have put 30k more miles on it (with heavier oil and additives), and it still runs well, despite oil pressure lights at stop once it is warmed up. Oh yeah, she got Scooby in the separation, I hate my commute so much now.. :)
The Outlander is a really good suv
Evo all the way! I mean just look at it!!
Looks exactly like my aunt's Lancer EX...
@@Catalina._ LOL still looks better than Subaru
Imagine driving the new 2018 evo. Oh wait....
@@conorhoade8793 Mitsubishi still makes the Mirage though, which is the worst new car you can buy today lol
@@conorhoade8793 Why do people bring that up? Has nothing to do with performance, and im sure an evo 9 will beat any new subaru until the year 2030..
My dream machine: Twin Turbocharged V6, AWD, at least 4-5 seats, 7 speed manual transmission and Brutally reliable.
Hatchbacks and Liftbacks are preferred for their practicality, but the pure allure of the style of a coupe and sedan can not be denied. Class > Crass.
All of the cars like the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, Subaru Impreza WRX STi, Honda Civic Type R, Ford Focus RS, Volkswagon Golf R, BMW M340i, Nissan Skyline/Infiniti G37, Acura TLX SH-AWD, Lexus IS F, and Genesis G70/Kia Stinger GT is the closest we can get but each miss the mark in their own way.
Dreamy 3000-gt comes quite close if you look at it
Adrian K. You are very correct. I absolutely love the Mitsubishi 3000GT and it’s corrupted clone the Dodge Stealth. However, brutally reliable those two twins are not.
I love the EVOs they are fun everywhere, a true drivers dream
They are both brilliant cars. I’m just happy that Evo’s are still held in such high regard. Yeh, I drive an Evo and absolutely love it. It’s my 2nd in a row now, and daily driven... with the 5 speed truck gearbox lol. Bulletproof
Ha! And yes you're right... they are both brilliant!
Always been an Evo man myself, however I think I would go back a generation to the Evo 8 FQ400 😍 Great video as always!
There was no IX FQ 400, it only went up to 360.
It was regarded as a better car though, not as peaky to drive.
Zerofightervi yes that’s right it was the viii wasn’t it
@@NICKFOXTV Yep, TopGear had one up against a lime green Lamborghini.
If it were my choice of have a Evo VI RSX, very rare.
Zerofightervi just had to google that, never heard of the rsx before. So it’s basically a very stripped back, with literally no driver aids Evo with all the power you’d expect from it’s era. I must say, I would love to have a go in one!
@@NICKFOXTV There are a lot of special editions that don't get the recognition they deserve.
The RSX in my opinion is one of the best, also the Evo VI Zero Fighter which was a JDM special edition which we got as the Extreme.
The rivalry in the comment section is still going strong in this one lmao
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The rivalry of the manufacturers continues to this day? Where are the new Evos then?
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Evo definitely but I love the original Subarus from the late 1990s...!!!
And up to 2006
I even liked the hawkeye one to be honest (especially the RB version). I went off them when they went to a hatch shape.
Evo Evo Evo!!!!
Same
My fav egos are 3 and 4
The rivalry is dead, and Subaru won, you can buy a brand new STI WRX today, but not a Evo..... Sigh Rip Lancer Evolution.
They stopped producing the Evo because the Sti can't beat it and never will. They got bored lol
The current STi sucks
Trevon Prabhat agreed the 18+ are 🤮
@@suladensxiong3694 lmao
Dee T why should subaru won just because mitsubishi stopped the production?
forget rivalry and just imagine if Mitsubishi and Subaru makes a car together 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
If they make one together it will be a good car
Mate the evo engine to the legendarly bulletproof sti 6spd gearbox and you have the ultimate 4wd performance car.
Mitsubaru Lancer WRX Evolution STi MR.
Mitsubaru? Does it sound like a beast? Sounds like sum food To me ej63
Chaos Amv that would be a dream carv🇬🇧❤️
In fact there were 77 CS400s, the other two being the pre-production cars P-01 & P-02. I am the current owner of P-02 and what a car it is!
So lucky bro, so lucky, rhd or lhd
Diamonds last forever and stars blow up. Mitsubishi Evo X for me
Ha! Never heard this before! :)
Stars last longer than diamands tho
Looks like this diamond didnt last forever and the stars are still shining brightly
But the diamond is dead lmao...
Hahaha do they?
I LOVE my 2014 Evo X GSR. My buddy has a 2011 STI sedan and I was excited to drive it because that was the car I almost bought, but once I did I was SOOOO happy I didn't. His car felt dead, didn't handle anywhere near what my car can do even with 4 passengers. Evo is definitely better on the performance side and the STI may be better for an all around fun daily driver, some feel it looks better too but I prefer my X. I only want performance out of my car so with the goals I have it has to be an Evo. In a couple weeks my car will be making 500+whp as well :)
The evo x is also good as a daily driver
subaru has been offering a CVT on their base model WRX for some years now. clearly they are steering away from true performance 4-seater fans for some dumb reason. EVO has true torque vectoring so it definitely feels different in a corner. WRX STi has something close to an ABS that kicks in when cornering and they have the audacity to call it "torque vectoring" lmao.
just btw while 500hp is nothing to the old unbreakable cast iron 4G63, i don't think it's particularly healthy for EvoX's aluminium block 4b11T. the fun of EvoX is in the corners. i own a MY14.5 Ralliart with the same engine (although different turbo when stock. mine was single scroll but i swapped it for a twin scroll from a wrecked EvoX last year) and none of my local tuners i talked to recommended going beyond 300KW (400-ish bhp) with it. mine now is at 223KW (stock 177KW) and i'm super happy with it. when i've saved enough money for a new daily driver, im gonna get my Ralliart fully rallycross compliant. wide body kit, rally susp, mudflaps, rollcage, window reinforcement and the lot. the twists and turns and the edge of grips are what's fun for me. not sure if tuning an aluminium 4cly 2.0T 4WD to be more drag oriented is the way to go when there are so many good iron block V8 RWDs for just that purpose.
The stock block 4b11 is definitely not as strong as the 4g63 but it can still handle that power just fine if tuned right with the tq in the safe zone. There's stock block X's with upwards of 700whp, so it's capable of making power, for how long that's another story. For me tq won't be an issue because my motor is being built as we speak, still stock head except for cams and springs. I wanted a car that could be as fast as super cars and also handle well, not just be a laggy highway queen so that's why I went with an EFR Twin Scroll set up, it has amazing spooling characteristics yet is capable of 750whp on e85! I think I will keep it around 500-600whp on pump gas tho once it's all done but at least I have room for more if I want in the future
Jiinxyz lmfao. Unless you are driving a car with no ECU, you are a fucking hypocrite. So you can fuck right off.
Meet me in the canyon? I live in socal.
I live in the U.S. and I call my WRX scooby. It's even on my license plate. Awesome video btw, like always!
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there's no winner between these 2, but personally I like EVO.
as you said I have an EVO, it has been a legendary word for decades...
An Evo vs Subie drag race without any Blown Gearboxes?
**S C A M**
HAHAHHAAHA! they were both absolutely rock solid (famous last words!!)
(*blows ringlands* *bends a rod*)
Henlo boye
*Scooby.. its the UK :)
Not if you launch it correct like Tiff did you dont stress the trans case
If it was a P1 or 22B if would be the Scooby. But it's not, so it's got to be the EVO.
I think the Mitsubishi looks better VS the Subaru for this year. Objectively, it's very impressive how the Evo also makes so much power and torque with 500 cc of less displacement. The Evo also has the more focused racing interior. Transmission wise if the Evo is the manual 5 speed, then the STi takes that category as the STi is well known to have a very robust 6 speed gearbox. Sound wise, it must be given to the STi in my option. Handing likely goes to the Evo as STi's are know to understeer from factory unless they have some aftermarket suspension upgrades. Full disclosure I have a tuned 2004 STi but can admit the facts!
Between these two, and I say this as a Subaru fan, I'd have the Mitsi. However, as a man lucky enough to have lived in Japan for many years and owned both Evo's (6 and 9) and Impreza's, (1998 WRX Wagon, Hawkeye STi) I have settled on a V5 STi Type RA as the best of the bunch; Have owned my current one 12 years and it came back to the UK from Japan with me, just couldn't part with it.
Subaru all the way
Adrian Correa finally a subie man!
Always wanted an Evo, driven both and evos feel light and nimble and Scoobies feel heavy and a bit more refined, the sound of the old 2.5 is beautiful .
I have the Impreza RS and love it. First time i sat in it, i turned to the seller and said "this is mine now" . . . . . So comfortable and a great drive.
0:36 Dayum best video of these two cars I've ever seen...
😍😍😍👍👍
Have always had a soft spot for hot hatches, but gotta go for the Evo just because of how it looks!
11:00 “I don’t look at those sort of things, I’m waiting for the pace notes” 👏🏽👏🏽😝 (infotainment system)
Old School!
Great test. Don't really understand why anyone would give it a thumbs down. Evo for me, every day of the week.
Both are great cars. Did a test drive on a Evo 4 today and it was amazing.
My brothers WRX RA 1997 possum Bourne edition was the same, amazing!
It's so hard to answer it's like telling me to choose between my eyes!
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Only reason I prefer evo over sti is because everyone and their mothers owns a wrx or sti in my town
Girl Racers 💪
This channel is rather refreshing. I grew up watching tiff on top gear, i would wait up till late at night to catch an episode of top gear. Great stuff, looking forward to more great videos!
Finally a REAL even matchup
Would be proud to own either one of these cars 👍👍
Thank you Lee. Us too actually!
*Jeff 🙄
The main part of the video starts from 12:15
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Hey guys. I just bought a evo x. 2015 Final edition And its amazing. I really like the handling of it. Its a best car. I've ever driven .
Oh that’s brilliant, I hope you continue to enjoy it
Diehard fan of evo series
Evo looks amazing ,what a car :)
the *evo* always wins everyone's heart, just like the driver (tiff needell). he's old but gold
Both are amazing machines. It's heart breaking to know Mitsubishi no longer make the Evo anymore. 💔
It's a real shame!
As one of the biggest Subaru fans out there, it's still the Subaru any minute, hour, month, year etc
Evo is the winner. End of discussion
u mad bro
I'm sorry but where are Evos sold today ??? Lol
@@bossone1216 no need for evos lol the subies impersonated the evo the look just like the evo but like always slower.
@@super_street_racer5094 Uh, no.
Bye .must be dreamin' lol
Just passing through to show some love and comment!.... This is one of those shows that you have watch it on the BIG TV because a phone or tablet just won't do!....so I'll be back!
0:52 hats off to the editor!!! That transition spot on....
I'm a proud American WRX owner...I call them Scoobies as well. My license plate used to read SCBYDBY.
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both cars are nice however this particular generation sti just doesnt look good stock... looks pretty ugly id say.
Same opinion here, not sure why but it just was not a good design, probably why it was not kept. Though best design was 2005 for me all the way.
@Zach Freeman I am for sure saving up for one in reasonable condition, but after I stop puting money into my ricer Cobalt haha.
The hatch STi's actually look way better in person than they do on video or in pictures. When you see them in person you can notice the wide wheel arches they have. They're wide cars that have presence on the road. And in the gunmetal silvers or black, also the WR blue, they look good. They seem to suit the darker colours for the hatch. Although it did take a long-time for them to grow on me, and they still aren't my favourite year model, I think the hatches are still rather good looking. You can get the same gen STi in sedan also (that came out a few years after, it's the same front-end, same gen, just a sedan variant). I actually prefer that gen than the current gen (current gen looks too Evo for me). But that's Subaru for you, I never like the current gens, then they grow on me years later.
I actually favor the WRX in pearl white or blue and the charcoal grey in the video doesn't do justice to the car. Also I agree that the new ones looks very bad. The hatchbacks definitely look good in the wild. And they sound great.
@@jamesmedina2062 See the new STi S209 that is being released in the US market? Man, I don't like it at all. Look at the front fender, the design is so clunky. The new gen is ugly / awful appearance wise.
And even with that S209 I saw various videos / articles saying it's the fastest STi ever released, but they really meant to say it's the fastest released in the US market. Because the Cosworth CS400 in this video is still faster, which was released in the UK market. The CS400 is highly desirable now. It's def one of the best special edition STi's ever released, and it really has become the benchmark for special variant STi imo.
Welcome Mr. Carr to car family! For me there is only 22B.
Very impressed you watched to the end (and wish we thought of the Carr/Car punn!)
Had no idea so little of these cars were made, very cool.
There is no winner between 2 brothers from another moters..... BOTH are legends,both has a history and legacy which will live forever!!!
Coming from 2019 STI owner
I own the very first evo x FQ330 SST that was previously owned by the MD of Mitsubishi UK,and just like this one it was spec'd with loads of extras that you don't see on any other evo x.
I love it to bits and it now runs 408bhp and even though its 10 years old,it can still show up the likes of the new Focus RS and such like,and I've never owned a car that turns so many heads.
Feel free to check it out on my channel ; )
God damn the evo is such a better looking car. I have a 17 wrx and still dream about what could have been if they were still made 😂
Diamonds will never last and shine, Stars will always last an bright up the world.
I love both cars but the Evo's aggressive face is what got me.
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Yeah
For these 2 cars, I prefer the Evo X FQ-400 but my most favourite is the WRX STi S206 that only sell in Japan and it's saloon.
Very nice choice
how do people look at evos and not squirt?
Cos some of us have seen the service bill
I am a Subaru guy, and I wet my boxers a bit when I see a nice Evo.
Commercials in the 70s had a song that went "SUBARU SCOOBY DO ANY THING YOU SAY THEY'LL DO"
My Lordy I can’t decide what car is the best they’re both lovely all wheel drive vehicles
Evos from 1 to 6.5 (TME), Scoobys from the blobeye onwards
what’s wrong with the bugeye?
The beautiful red is always the win.
There's no denying it to be fair now, to me really both cars are just really similar to each other. They both literally offer almost the same and from this point on it's up to the design preference of the individuals.
The only thing that could seperate those two from each other is by letting every individual who owned both cars for a decent anmount of time decide which they liked more in ways of aerodynamics and handling etc. This way we could atleast get a clear overview of the gravitational stuff.
Other than that, both cars are just beautiful and powerful and i'd be happy with either one of them :)
You can prefer either one of them but their BOTH legendary beautiful machines
EVO for me!
New subscriber and and my first video i seen from your chanel, i love your enegry and the video keep it up guys😁
Thank you Edgardo 👍
The aggressive look of the Evo is unmatched!
Always loved the SCOOBY 🇬🇧
I love both cars equaly but this evo look mean af
Agreed
So... This FQ400 version of Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X has manual gearbox! I always thought that every Evolution X gearbox was sequential/automatic!
This made my Day!
Seriously. A tie?! Lol. That was a great review!!
Thanks, difficult to split them
I’ve owned 3wrx /Sti’s(‘02,’05&’09), 1evo 9 and a 3000gt vr4. Mitsubishi’s are touchy but crazy fun. Subaru’s are fun and in my experience more reliable. Overall I miss my vr4 the most. Honestly, it comes down to what your taste is. You can’t go wrong with either. Unless you want to buy a new one.
RIP Mitsubishi.
Just two all-time greats....!
I knew a guy who owned an Evo and that car was always in the shop because the clutch kept going bad on him. It was fast, but the maintenance was brutal because he never got to drive it as much as he had to work on it. He bought an STi and he doesn’t have to work on his car so much anymore. The Evo is faster when everything is in perfect running order, but that doesn’t take into account how drivable the car is.
Got a cs400, used it 4 years as my everyday car, now polished up and put in storage. replaced it with a new Leaf.
👀😂👍 love the 🍃
The Scooby needs the wheels off the EVO....
EVO
Though i miss seeing both of these manufacturer racing head to head in WRC...
Mitsubishi announced that they will be back next year... but not using the EVO body... Instead a Mirage
That head to head was always magic!
Evo I’ve always been a fan of The Evolution I grew up watching them win races with Tommi and the rest of the crew
Tommi end in SUBARU, It's like ferrari on F1. Not always best, but best legend.
Great vid! I must say, though, to burst your "Scooby bubble"..here in the States, at least in my neck of the woods, we do call Subarus "Subies", but we call turbocharged Subarus with a scoop "Scoobies".
There may just be the difference
Evo box is supreme. Not glassy. Driven both and Scoobie feels less stable on tight switchback turns.
Fair enough
they load a lot of technology to the evos drive train that it becomes one of the basis of what a good handling car is all about..evo all the way clarkson already said it.
Nothing more beautiful than an evo, its perfection.
Always had a soft spot for the Eco X, but I adore both cars. It's a hard one.
EVO EVO EVO 😁😆😁
Fq400 all the way
Both cars are great. Choose your own as long as you are happy.
Im In love with the EVO... looks and performance.
I think you should do a part 2 of this and include track lap times and also try to use it for everyday tasks (after all these are still 4 seater family cars) and then decide which is better. As for me, I can't choose. It's too difficult lol.
Great idea!!
The hatchback would be more practical imho but at the same time cosworth parts aint cheap lol
@@erendyalatorre7785 how can a hatchback be more practical? A sedan has more boot space and interior space.
Probably not that easy to convince two owners that have taken that good of care of their cars to let someone else track them.
Thank you for an entertaining program. Coming back to the question which of them is a winner is a tough one to sort out because as it was mentioned they seem to be inseparable due to motorsport competition throughout wrc history. back in the day Tiff Needell and Mr Jason Plato threw Mitsubishi evo X fQ360 and normal subaru impreza wrx sti hatchback head against one another in similar conditions. Mitsubishi emerged as a clear winner since stock wrx sti hatchback had immense lift off oversteer tendencies mid corner and the 41/59 torque split whilst in sport mode sent even more power to the rear axle and the rear end grip was generally relatively poor compared to Mitsubishis combination of a furthermore electronically enhanced 4wd system. Mitsubishi 4wd system is unfortunately less demanding to driver due to the multitude of electronical innovations like mitsubishi active yaw control and it managed to put power down more efficiently than stock subaru sti. Faster isnt always better. Driver imput is vital to our skills. Older subarus tended to understeer and that is why at higher speeds especially in low grip surfaces the body balance was much more stabile. This why i think subaru had to give their dissapointing new hatch in the hands of cosworth to make it as capable as the best last performance mitsubishi lancer of all time. This is what happens when cars are designed at first to the road and are not directly chassis wise rally bred. And In the case of a Subaru Impreza WRX STI Cosworth CS400 the body control is back again- and no wonder, every bit of the unsprung mass and performance oriented components are completely different because cosworth rebuilt it. And overall in this case the overall winner has to be the WRX STI Cosworth CS400 since it doent have that overly safe mitsubishi 4wd and manages to be more fun with one of its mechanical slip differentials.
Hi Sander - thanks for watching and for the comprehensive response
Im not quite sure where you get the fact from that Subaru's understeer? If you are talking 90's models then yes, they were more prone to understeer, its not a bad thing if you know where the limit is.
On the newer cars (2003 JDM onwards), they pretty much eliminated the understeer with the A-DCCD and the 2005 cars had revised geometry AND yaw sensors to improve on how quick the car could correct itself. You could also switch the A-DCCD to manual mode and have some tail end fun without the interference of the electronics.
So on the handing note, Evo's upto and including the 7 were noted to be the better v their Subaru counterparts (also noted by Subaru drivers), from the 8 onwards the Subaru had the advantage and was acknowledged (even by racing drivers in Japan where the Subaru was quicker and handled better than the Evo), to be the better of the 2.
You also have to remember that the only official Evo in the UK was the 260, which was basically a detuned JDM for the EU market, the rest were JDM cars where as Subaru actually produced a car for the EU market (the only exemption being the 22B and in some part the P1 which was based on a V5 STI platform but had no JDM counterpart). The more modern JDM STI's (MY03 onwards) are all 2ltr twinscroll cars with different internals and quicker steering racks over the EU/US market vehicles and are deemed the better and more reliable car.
yess, you seem to know your thing- that was exactly my point that older subarus like the frogeye and b22 where more precisely prone to understeer but at loose surfaces the actual balance of the car needs to be a bit more stabile so it was a good thing and that is why i dont understand your debate. And onwards 2003 if i remember correctly sti versions had 5 way electronically adjustable center diff that made things good even at tarmac- My point was that There was just a bit of an issue with a boxer engine and with the elements of the awd (departure rate)- sudden change of body balance at speed. Story goes that obviously subaru concentrated on worldwide market so in development process they tested the 2005 wrx sti high speed stability against a 3 series bmw so that it would be stabile enough for regular blokes who want to fill their dreams. Because the boxer engines pistons move side to side and therefore the center of gravity is already reduced they found out that on high grip tarmac the pendulum effect was too great for an everyday motorist so they had to move the engine forward a bit. So the 2005 sti got an intended 60/40 Front/rear weight distribution and despite it having a clever torque adjusting differentials the highspeed handling understeer effect was not ideal but it was still a great car- epic car infact. But 2011 sti manages to be neutral at wherever you drive it.
This comment section is a war am I the only one who justs appreciates both
Don't know which I prefer, they both seem cool but unobtainable for different reasons, even old Subies are pricey and also evos are damn rare, I almost never see them in person or on online listings.
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The Evo is a better looking car, but the Scooby sounds better. They both drive great. It's such a hard call... I say just restore a 2005 Sti and have the best of both worlds. New intake, exhaust, injectors, fuel pump, boost controller and a chip and it'll make more power than either of these.