#3 - A Survival Guide to Sinterklaas & Zwart Piet
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The celebration of Sinterklaas means happy smiles for the children… and an annual racial debates for the adults… Here's everything you need to know to understand the Dutch stance on these jovial and mischievous chimney sweeps. - Komedie
''While some children plan on continuing to not give a shit.''
Exactly. This. Right. Here.
Halal Henk yeah right
seriously the children just don't care
I remember when I was a kid the thought of zwarte piet being racially insensitive did not cross my mind once
though I can see where they are coming from now when they're saying that we shouldn't dress up like zwarte piet
kids just seriously don't care for them it's just a fun holiday with lots of candy and presents
If the kiddies don't care then i don't see any reason to change it. If children don't even care then adults should grow a thicker skin.
Pete is liked by kids more than Sinterklaas sometimes. He is realy nice and they don't put children in sacks or beat them with sticks anymore. And they deffinately don't like them because black people are made fun of through the character, it's because he is a fun nice person wich brings treats and pressents. When you're naughty, you might get salt (instead of sugar) they equivalent of coal. Nothing else.
stera no because children are taught to be racist its society that informs them of values they are not born with them. Many children world wide live happy lives without ever participating in racist traditions
All religions/religious holidays should be banned already....all bullshit to brainwash people
Fact: Santa Claus is a ripoff of Sinterklaas.
+Tim Bergen JUP!!
True.
Tim Bergen fact idgaf
Exclusive Hype that's an opinion. Not a fact.
Naomi No how is that a opinion. Read your Bible and learn about sint Nicolas
As a Dutch, I was scared of Sinterklaas, but Zwarte Piet was cool because he gave me pepernoten. Also, I thought when you went; "one main difference" is that Sinterklaas is from Spain and Santa is from the north pole lol.
Nope. He was born in the East Roman Empire. According to Saint Nicholas historians.
I love Spain. I wouldn't mind being shoved into a sack and landing on a Spanish beach.
Same though! I always thought Sinterklaas looked a bit scary but I thought zwarte piet was a pretty awesome guy in general
Hij is een Turk
I tought he was born in turkey
Dutch child: is bad
Pete: Get in the bag, we’re going to a bad place...
SPAIN
Well Spain is bad. Its why the Dutch fought an 80 years war to get rid of them (and won because the Spanish got bored of it).
This was before the invention of sunscreen.
The S is silent
@@jezusbloodie damn
Actually, it was Al-Andaluz
I didn't realize Zwarte Piet could be racist until I saw it in a newspaper, when I was 16. Racism isn't something you are born with, it's something we create.
+touyebou Or in this case, something we imagine.
Yes, because you shouldn't be critical of the media. Just absorb everything you read, you don't need to think or discuss anything.
and that's right you know how it is tnks my man
i only realized it when i was 10
when you realized that Piet didn't exist and were the adults wearing black costumes ???? Maybe that is why until we are adults we realize that is a racist tradition ..
The original story is about a rich kid, Nikolaas, helping the poor people by giving them food. These poor people then started helping him to give food to even more people. Because Nikolaas was so generous, he was named a Saint after his death and he became this cultural thing.
The problem is that most people don't even know the story.
@@bart1289 Bovendien was Nicolaas ook niet wit.
sounds afwully much like sint maarten doesnt it
As an American just moving to the Netherlands, this was a shock, but I quickly learned I'm in a new country and I need to adapt. It's not my place to say anything. It was fun seeing everyone dressed up and kids having fun.
I could really care less, but it's really funny getting older men riled up, like my father in law. 😂
Racist
@@transqueen3551 Cry more!
The last line cracked me up!!
same here yup
pretty accurat but the nethelands have goten rid of the beating stick and the sack a long time ago, now it is more like christmas but with the ntherlands spin on it
o please christmas is originated from sinterklaas
No no, my parents still tell my little brother that if he's bad he'll go in the sack. He just doesn't care.
*laughs in 2020* in the Sinterklaasjournal of this year they made it come back by a 40 year old go back while being dragged into a sack to spain or something
@@megvanaarssen2933 correction: Christmas does not originate from Sinterklaas. At all. But Santa Claus (the red guy during Christmas) does.
@@remyafk Sorry I meant Santa Claus
Recently the government stated It will do nothing about the Zwarte Piet controversy. It says it's a matter of which the people themselves should care about. That means the United Nations are put on the sideline.
The Zwarte Piet character did not originate from colonial times, but from the late Middle Ages. He represents the (forcefully) converted Spanish Arabs (= "Morish", hence the medieval dress) who were "so thankful for their religious salvation" that they happily run Sint Nicholas' multi-million child pleasing business for him until the end of time.
I have never seen Zwarte Piet as a "black guy". He never looked like someone with original roots from an African country. And even if they do, what is the problem. They are the most celebrated characters in the whole feast! Sinterklaas is just a nice old man, but the Zwarte Pieten make the whole thing fun!
ikr ♡ love your comment
Its to represent a black moor from Spain. Coming from the age when north Africans ruled the area. It's clear as day.
Leo D Yes so? It essentially is a fairy tale character...
The problem is people keep leaving that out and acting like it the "chimney sweep" that make him look like that.
Leo D Well it's a combination of both... there are multiple origin stories... But I still don't see the problem in that.
As I am Dutch I have this tradition. We also believe in Santa so we get an extra, early Christmas gift every year.
"It's Muslims they're supposed to fear" wtf?!
LittleBigMuslim The politician we're talking about doesn't really like Islam. We personally love Muslims. (As long as they're cool people of course)
Survival Guide to the Dutch I think everyone shall be respected as long as he's cool, and I think a bad joke like that shouldn't have been published in a respectful channel like yours.
I'll take my flight to the Netherlands tomorrow evening to study medicine, and I really hope I can make friends in there (:
Regards,,
LittleBigMuslim I'm sorry, we're not a very respectful channel. We make jokes about Dutch food, our king, every group (Atheïsts, Christans, Jews & Muslims), our weather, Dutch people etc. We like all of it, but will always make fun of them. The Muslim joke was making a fool of right wing politician by the way: we're ridiculing his statements, thereby saying the opposite. (But if we could make a good Muslim joke, we would).
Be welcome in Holland, I'm sure you're going to have a great time and make a lot of friends. Good luck with your studies!
Survival Guide to the Dutch haha geert wilders
kevin williams is a trolls he inst even dutch
My cousin and aunt are arguing about this problem every Sinterklaas. And because of that, they are no longer celebrating Sinterklaas because it causes way too much controversy in the family
That’s really sad-
when i was younger i always thought zwarte piet was awesome, in my eyes they could do everything and where kind to everyone even the "bad people" they could climb buildings so quickly that you couldnt even see them bring the presents at nights and they where just so mysterious and fun. Now some racists want to make it about race and ruin the fun holiday.
Keep in mind: It's not even a Dutch movement. it was the American immigrant Kevin Roberson who started the anti-Sinterklaas movement.
Yes I agree why would they think it would be as racism it has gone to far not everything is racist.
"When some kids are pretending to not give a shit"
Says it all for me.
word!
He said 'continuing', not 'pretending'.
I think kids enjoy the black Pete more then sint i did to in my eyes they were heroes Who could do anything at elementary school we had pietengym (pete p.e) to get your pietendiploma (petediploma) we had it every year and i found it amazing its sad that most people Who arent from the netherlands dont even try to learn the story behind it
"Yeah bad guys, let's go to the country of sun and great food. Gonna treat you very badly with some tortilla "
But if Zwarte Piet is racist? Why aren't the little elves of Santa discriminating for small people?!
+Alatar The Blue Small people can be found in all races lol.
or let we said it somthing els he let
reindeer fly what they cant animal abuse he let littel people or children with point ears work who is the worst
Alatar The Blue people do, but less and only children
Alatar The Blue, maybe because Santa’s elves aren’t a caricature of small people.
Alatar The Blue sssht!
Hey, I wouldn't mind being in Spain (as opposed to Holland) at this time of year. Just stuff me into that sack!
So true, it's the adults who keeping having troubles with this.
I wanna go and participate in this , this looks fun !
Amusing and informative video.
i hope the next video is about the football clubs
Ill also continue to not give a shit.
Very good explained!😎
I'm dutch and everything your saying is true and your telling it very good.
1:55 those were actually kruidnlten, though many call it pepernoten
he ehh pipo. Ik weet dat het heel officieel kruidnoten zijn maar in de volksmond zeg je gewoon pepernoten.
@@zwevendekiezer2212 They look like what we in Denmark call Pepper-nuts (Pebernødder)
as an dutch girl this is hilarius hahaha
Love this ❤
Great conclusion :O
And now you go to far !! We love sinterklaas and zwarte pieten !!
+Luna Degraaff Gelukkig doen we dat je gelukkig doen we dat
It's important to realise that there are 'real life trolls' on both sides of the discussion. These trolls only want to polarise people.
Zwarte Piet is a non existing figure, it's a symbol. We can choose how we see him.
I would rather not see him go, because he was the more sympathetic of the two. (This used to be different in earlier days: Piet was to be feared back then.) Nowadays he is the jolly character, the more caring of the two. The sint is old, doesn't know anything about modern stuff, is sometimes grumpy and gets occasionally mocked by his Zwarte Piet. The two are now more of a comedic duo than anything else. In my personal view it was the only real feast in the year that really mattered (toys and candy made me say this), Santa Claus (kerstman) didn't really do the same for me. I like Zwarte Piet.
+lifthra
Could I ask you to keep your opinion about 'stop whining' out of this? Considering you told me you hated the festival because of severe childhood traumas?
Nobody in here seems to share your view, I'm just trying to show you how ignorant you sound, trying to claim wé are the 'whiny' ones, when you clearly elaborated on how Pete made you cry in the late 40's?
We're in the 2018's now. Pete is a cool guy, not your childhood bully anymore. Go project your trauma on something else.
As a people what is black and Dutch I don't think they want it to be racist because the children don't really see it as that but I can understand as an adult it could be
And that last sentence summarizes the entire thing:
The adults, on both sides, care an aweful lot and both use the children both as shields and spears.
While the kids? They dont give a shit if Zwarte Piet is suddenly a dragon fairy as long as they still get candy and presents.
In the mean time you can hear 24/7 rap music with the 'N' word in it and thats fine?
Do you know the origin of the 'N' word and in which historical context it was coined and also by whom? If you would you would not make such a severly ignorant argument, it falls flat to the ground. Look the history up, make it your homework. You will come a long way in life with some education, never too late. You should try it! :)
Seghen you gonna talk about history? Then look up in history the origin of 'zwarte piet' and you find its based on the black Moor people, who invaded spain and enslaved other people..
Yep hypocriet it is
i find zwarte piet not rasict i grew up in the netherlands and i love them (in fact they learned me to NOT be rasict by being nice people) people who think there rasict need to think for a min and almost al my friends and i have said that when the vilage we live in bans zwarte piet wel we say fuck sinterklaas dan maar in het algemeen wij vieren kerst
Okee I am a dutch one and u got my sub ! 👍🏻👍🏻
Tbh, The survival tip is the best of all XD
i am a dutch and that wherent pepernoten that are kruidnoten
Dont start a fight you cant finish
This is not democratic at all, you have 92% of people supporting this tradition and the other 8% trying to force their views on the majority. It just is not right. Keep Zwarte Piet. (I have no idea why I am watching this video because I am from America and this is none of my business.)
Well, thanks for youre support. But the bad thing is that the disision of keeping zwarte piet black or not is not made by the dutch government but by a bunch of fohrein assholen who have no idea what they are talking about.
Haha
USA is a country of civil unrest and your prescribing your ignorance to the dutch? USA build on the blood of Slaves after mass extermination of the Natives. Netherlands reaped the rewards of the Slavery system and still in 2014 take no responsibility or understanding in guilt by association for the shares bought and direct funding of this disgusting and dark past.
dressing up and effectively reenacting themes so insensitive will obviously cause a stir.. you have to be reasonable now or deal with the consequences of alienating and making social outcasts of groups of dutch citizens regardless of whether its 8% or 92%, a reputation of annually exploiting minorities is not what the nederlands need
YouLoveItBiatch KEEP PIET FOR THE CHILDREN SAKE, but wash away the dark colonial past
We did take responsabilitie for the slavery. Direct funding of this dark past? You have no idea where this feast actually comes from do you? So should we just ban everything that reminds people of darker days as the slavery? Of course it creates a stir but I know a great amound of black people who have abselutely no problem with sinterklaas.
The ending is just fucking perfect
1:02 IT'S MY AT SCHOOL!! Seriously, where did they get this picture? This is crazy!
Nope, it's the climb down the chimney and the soot that's making their faces black.
+Siem van Dongen And their hair curly. And gives them big golden earrings. And makes their lips swell and red. ;)
+Ali Emre Kepenek Right? Who knew a chimney could do a complete makeover. If it was just black faces I could buy into it being "soot" from the chimney, but c'mon with that afro texture hair.....man just admit it is what it is and stop lying.
+Siem van Dongen And their clothes are completely clean. Just the faces are black... because magic!
It's just for the smile on the face of a child. But some people doesn't give a fuck about the children, they want (indirect) to let all the children cry. Heartless.
I know, right! There are so many black kids that have the worst time each Sinterklaas, that dread it.
Not only because of the bullying but because the whole figure of Zwarte Piet is so obviously a stereotype
It really hurts these children, trust me, I used to be one of them. And the interesting thing is that these same people who claim to be all about the children couldn't give a rat's ass about black children being hurt by this. It's shady as f*ck. When I was 9 I really disliked it, I was becoming ols enough to actually see ZP for what is is supposed to depict.
Around Sinterklaas I would bw really bullied and one time there were even pepernoten thrown at me during a school play.
My mom was very upset that the teachers weren't doing anything about it while I was basically forced to partake in it each year. So she demanded that the principal took action. You know what he said? This idiot actually told her "she's just going to have to toughen up"
WTF.
And the sad thing is that this is common, it happens all around NL to black children, even now in the 21st century.
It's heartless that there are so many people who would rather disregard the just feelings of people (including young black kids being hurt by this) than to change their hurtful practice. No (white, other) child would care if ZP changed from a black caricature to someone with soot smears : it's these heartless disgusting (mostly white) adults who insist on not changing anything (although they seem to have forgotten all previous changes such as the cross on Sinterklaas' mijter and the fact that there is no more corporal punishment in the story because there were people who took offense by these things)
Bunch of hypocrites.
Naturalista91 I'm sorry you got bullied for this. It is the principal who did not do his job that should be put on trial here. Not some fairytale figure.
ZP is a symbol. A symbol has no meaning of itself. Destroying the symbol doesn't change the underlying racism, you claim it represents.
There are people who never saw ZP as racist. He is for them just one of the characters that make children happy by giving candy and toys. They want this feast to continue, because of the gift giving. Not to mock black people. It's just unfair to call these people racist. They see ZP in a different light.
There are people who are apparently badly hurt by ZPs appearance and his representation as the servant of an 'almighty' White Saint. They see ZP as a symbol for racism.
I hope everyone agrees racism shouldn't be tolerated. But how can you join those two views? By simply denying ZP? Is than all the racism gone?
I do not mean to offend you, but I hope that ZP keeps existing in some form or another, clearly as a symbol for tolerance, NOT as a symbol of racism.
I'm white. I don't like to be called a racist. But I cringe at the thought of putting rainbow colours on ZP. It's ZP, not a My Little Pony. And I realise again that ZP is not real. It really does not matter, as long as the meaning of 'gift giving and being nice' is still uphold.
Would you as a black person consider a stronger ZP to resolve this matter? Maybe give him a black horse, make it more clear that he is an equal to the WS. A Django Unchained Sint and Piet. No servant. Maybe even less jolly.
Oké, je bent dus Nederlands, dan gaan we ook lekker verder met Nederlands.
De kinderen die jouw vroeger hebben gepest hebben gaan we het daar maar niet over hebben, want hun gedrag slaat gewoon nergens op, en van je ouderlijke leerkracht is het al helemaal erg.
Wat de demonstranten in Gouda heb gedaan vind ik verschrikkelijk, roepen dat Sinterklaas niet bestaat waar kinderen bij zijn. Dat is net zoals in GB of de VS roepen dat de kerstman niet bestaat, waar kinderen bij zijn.
De streep op de mijter van Sinterklaas is overigens nog steeds een kruis, in sommige plaatsen hebben ze een streep, vraag mij niet waarom. (Misschien konden ze de horizontale streep niet betalen wegens bezuinigingen ;))
Maar een piet met roetvegen, nee. Dan gaan de kinderen acteurs (op tv) of mensen (plaatselijke intocht) herkennen, en dan komen ze erachter dat Sinterklaas niet bestaat. Dat willen we niet, in ieder geval ik niet.
Zwarte Piet is gewoon een heel blij iemand die graag kinderen blij maakt. Hij gaat door de schoorsteen om je schoen te vullen om jou blij te maken (nee, er zijn tegenwoordig amper schoorstenen meer, wij hebben er ook geen en toch geloofde ik dat). Dat mensen hem als een slaafje zien van Sinterklaas? Dat is ie absoluut niet. Je moet het zo zien: Sinterklaas doet de administratie (de grote boek) en geeft door aan de Hoofdpiet wat er moet gebeuren, de rest heeft zijn eigen taak. 's Nachts aan ze het dak op om schoenen te vullen, Sinterklaas is te oud om door de schoorsteen te gaan, dus doen de pieten het.
Zelf heb ik ook zwarte klasgenoten gehad (sorry als ik het verkeerd zeg, soms weet ik het ook niet hoe ik het moet zeggen) die gewoon in Sinterklaas geloofden. Ik heb ook altijd het verschil gezien tussen Zwarte Piet en een iemand met een zwart huidskleur.
Het beste idee om het aan te passen vind ik om Zwarte Piet echt Zwart te maak, pik zwart. Zo zwart als een tv dat uit staat. Niemand is zo zwart. Wij blij, jullie blij (hoop ik dan).
Ik ben deze discussie ook een beetje (lees: heel erg) zat. Dus laten we er alsjeblieft op houden dat het een kinderfeest is en degene die er niet mee eens zijn over het uiterlijk of iets anders, vier het dan gewoon niet. Er zijn namelijk mensen die zich op een of andere manier verplicht voelen om dit feest te vieren.
Gosling G
Mooi gesproken!!!
Ik gun alle kinderen de zelfde leuke Sinterklaas die ik vroeger heb gehad.
Dat waren eens tijden met Aard Staartje, Bram van der Vlugt en Wegwijspiet, jammer dat het niet meer het gegund is aan de kinderen van deze generatie....
MrFixer1983 Jup, want als de goede sint niet een leger van zwarte slaven heeft dan is Sinterklaas VERPEST, *en kunnen de kinderen het nooit meer leuk hebben met sinterklaas* want pieten met een andere kleur verpest alles... lol
Informative
I am Dutch and i like this
i find it important to say that the story i was taught.
sinterklaas bought the “zwarte pieten (basically slaves)”
he then gave them their freedom and in their gratitude they chose to stay with him.
so no it’s not racist.
ps. maybe we should stop elves because it’s insensitive to tiny people.
inderdaad elven gaan ten onder
You mean dwarves? And you can tell this comment is 5y old because the insanity has reached this point today with that abomination of snow white that got canceled lol.
Can I just point out that the boat is arriving from Spain? How is every one of the zwarte pieten already covered 100% in soot.
because kids would reconise the people who act as Piet and destroy the fantasy of him being real also because its been like that for more then hunderds of year and why would you change a nation wide tradition for people who never experienced it as a kid or even come from the netherlands they say its racist but it kids dont care its just adults complaining about shit just sjw bs again
i know this reaction is a little bit old but do you think kids think of that.
Krayonix still black from previous years? Training to be as fast as possible in advance in Spain?
Because there's no such thing as clean coal 😜
TapCat Gaming lol It's exactly because traditions have been around for centuries that change should be considered. Society changes. There's absolutely no reason why shit obviously inspired by the racism of the times it was started shouldn't get a make over........ Kids won't be missing out on anything just cause they suddenly don't have black face in the festivities, what the fuck? Changing it slightly would just make more people happy; what's your problem with that?
I love how you say some dutch words it sound so funny sorry (im dutch so yea)
I mean I'm Dutch and I have no problem with changing the appearance. Personally I think perhaps a musketeer-esque appearance minus the blackface will do just fine to maintain the overal aesthetic while recognizing that the original design has negatively impacted black Dutch citizens. (Growing up getting bullied and called ''Zwarte Piet'' is gonna have you grow a chip on your shoulder when you keep getting reminded of it.) I also know a fuck ton of other Dutch people who think it should change.
That there's a debate going on is true but it's a pity that a lot of comments on social media who are against change push a claim that all Dutch people oppose the change when the numbers stating otherwise are rising consistently. About half of the population at this point in fact. Stating otherwise to push the ''it's tradition and the Dutch agree'' claim creates a false impression of Dutch people as a whole, who really ain't so ''unanimously agreed upon'' on this at all.
And why do you care what people who arent dutch think? All this is an american bs and we arent even seeing that , black dutch people think is racist because Américan black people suffered in america historically so if america say is bad IS bad, ,and ofcourse white woke dutch people will follow that,, europe or atleast western europe will become América 2.0 in racial divide and political correctness if we continue to be influenced by stupid american history and politics, this celebration wasnt even born because of the american blackface wich originated in the 30s to mock african americans but ofcourse dutch people are just blind followers of the media.🙄🙄🙄 in britain in the protest of blm some black british people start talking about "segregation" SEGREGATION, that wasnt a thing in britain,, " defund the police" british police are some of the most calm police ever, do you see what im talking about, american politics and history are cáncer to the western world is like a virus.
Zwarte Piet kicks ass
Zwarte Piet does NOT stem from colonial times. Zwarte Piet is FAR older than that, dating back to around the 8th century BC. I wish people would fucking fact check before spewing bullshit out into the world.
warlord1981nl Indeed...BUT it was the dutch who turned it into a black Moorish servant, instead of the traditional 'Krampus' like devil. Furthermore, I don't give a shit about that. The Moors were big slave traders as well.
andi watt They're not really his servants. The story goes that Saint Nicolas (sinterklaas) bought them as slaves and offered them freedom. Many of them chose to stay by his side where they got paid for the work, fancy clothing and good care.
***** The black faces on some of the European coat of arms represent Saint Peter (who was a moor), Crussades, victories on Moors or later Muslims (the word moor became interchangeable with Muslim in later centuries) ... .. western / Central Europeans knew nothing of Moors or how they looked *since there were no moors or blacks there* and assumed they were pitch black. In reality moors were mostly Arabs and North African Berbers with very few blacks.
If you go look at the Moors on Spanish art, coats of arms etc you will see ACTUAL moors .. who looked like todays Arabs/North Africans (not black) .. You also won't find any "blacks" in the art, paintings etc of that time / Al Andalus.
***** That article is so inaccurate it's not funny. First it talks about the Berber/Moor general Tarik Ibn Ziyad and even says he only had berber soldiers with him. Berbers aren't black
It then talks about Saint Maurice, Saint Maurice was NOT black. All the paintings they show are from the 13th century and up, but Saint Maurice lived in the 3rd century. He was born in Egypt (Thebes) and joined the Roman army. Because he was born in Egypt and his name was Maurice (From maurus:dark/swarthy/moor) western Europeans depicted him as black (thinking that Egyptians/north Africa/Muslims/moors were all black having never seen one before)
It then talks about one of the 3 kings that visit Jesus at birth, (the moor) again using depictions of a moor from the 14th century etc. How is this any proof of his claims of black kings in Europe etc? It's literally a fantasy painting about a darker skinned king who visits Jesus in the MIDDLE EAST/Modern day Israel. Not to mention the entire biblical story is most likely pretty much made up.
Then he talks about Sir Morien from a FAIRY TALE BOOK the son of an Arthurian knight who goes to "moorish lands" and meets a black christian queen (because those existed lol) he has sex with the queen and sir morien is born ... but none of those people have ever existed ... It's a fairy tale. Specifically a Dutch add on to the Arthurian legends
Literally the entire article is made up, unsourced nonsense. And the site is some African/Nigerian news site written by some random amateur.
As for your other comments. Blackamoor is something that popped up in the late 18th century. 99% of it was depictions of SLAVES. and the rest were depictions of what they thought a moor would look like.
Moor wasn't used for just black. It literally was used for darker skinned people .. this included berbers and arabs/middle easterners/Syrians etc despite not being black at all .. it meant "swarthy" later the word was used universally for all muslims
There were no moors in western and central Europe .. period. You literally have watched, read and listened to a little too much pan African/Black nationalist propaganda. I'm not from Europe .. but I have heard these theories before. Even black Americans claiming they are somehow related too or descended from the Moors.
Haha ik woon in nederland dit is echt een geniaal kanaal
Haha i live in the Netherlands this is a genius Channel
Fun fact: his boat lies in leiden every year😂
Yes indeed! Let's not give a shit and continue like we always have. If you don't like it, find another country to live in. It's not like we're the biggest around, so plenty of other places to go really!
Could you then please consider getting your people outta South Africa?
Seghen Mekonen
What? Are you off your medication?
He did not originate from colonial times! It is even from pre-christian pagan times. And by not respecting the traditions of the Dutch and every other "white culture" because you think that all and only white people are racist, it is you, in fact, that is racist.
With sinterklaas you also have chocoladeletters
Zwarte piet was as far as I remeber a slave that was bought free bij Sinterklaas so I always accepted it
Sounds like you really did figure out the Dutch. And no, _Zwarte Piet_ was not and is not racist in any way. Sadly, a relatively tiny group of people claim otherwise -- and they abuse our democratic and legal system to try and force their twisted views on the majority.
Fortunately Amsterdam is home to people from 180+ cultures -- and the vast majority of them do not at all behave like the hateful anti-this-or-that haters.
My own neighborhood is so multicultural that National Geographic would have a field day here. Our local _Sinterklaas_ parade, last Saturday, featured dozens of _Zwarte Pieten_ -- and hundreds of happy kids and their parents, from all cultural backgrounds.
Good video. Fun to watch. That last sentence says it all.
#netherlands #culture #zwartepiet #sinterklaas
Anton Hein-Hudson Zwarte Piet is extremely racist you can deny it all you want. it's from a tradition from the late 19th century.
Learn about the tradition, and you'll know it's not racist.
3choBlast3r Why is he racist? Because he is black? You are the racist here, you seem to care awefully lot about skin color.
lifthra No we should not. Traditions and culture of everyone should be respected. Look at Iran they have a tradition similar to Black Pete and its internationally protected, this should be no different.
lifthra No we should not. If they do not appreciate our culture they are free to leave our country.
...ehm...thanks for mentioning blackface in the movie../sarcasm.
Blackface is someone white that it painted black and acts ridiculous, so that white people can laugh about the black race.
Zwarte piet is everyone's childhoodhero. You couldn't be more wrong.
lifthra Right, you are 64. Sadly you were born befóre Pete got nice. His origin comes from Krampus/The Devil that's Saint's little helper. So he was mean, untill they changed it around 1970.
So what are you trying to tell me here?
lifthra I have no clue what kind of horrible lies you were told but let me tell you how it went in my life.
I enjoyed Sinterklaas as everyone, untill I was 8. I had heared 'Saint Nicolas' was fake very often, so I went to my parents and asked; 'Does he exist?'
My mom said; 'Come here sweetie, we need to explain something.' She then explained how Saint Nicolas had died a long time ago, but how we honoured him and the beautifull celebration by dressing up as him. So he was real,. he just wasn't alive anymore. But he sure as hell was real when he wás alive.
I cried for about15 minutes and thought we were never going to celebrate Sinterklaas again. My mom asked me; Would you want to continue celebrating it?' I said; 'YES ofcourse!'
And I am 24 now and still crazy about Sinterklaascelebrations. I have cd's, dvd's, last year I joined in as a Pete, it's still wonderfull. I'm just guessing what happened to you is a matter of age-difference and parental skills.
lifthra I'm sorry, I am not movitated to read your story, it's a bit long, is there any way you can make it a little smaller?
lifthra Listen, we've started this discussion because you said you were traumatized as a kid. There were scary Black pete's, they wanted to beat you up, take you to Spain and your parents lied to you. You appareantely were already traumatized, even though you are white, due to the fact that Black Pete resembled a slave to you. I told you about my experiences with Black Pete and you said you lived in a dysfunctional family.
And how a sane or norma person wouldn't , know what it feels to live with having trauma/intergenerational trauma triggered all the time or with real racism, discrimination, having your right of existence totally denied.
But yóu do.
(Which is a little insulting to me, because I am being treated for PTSD right now. Does that mean I'm not sane or normal?)
I have told you that 'normal Pete's' don't act like that. They are nice, friendly and they are heroes. Kids love them. You said truth was very important to you. What do you think, will happen if we after thousands of years, make this story even more unreal to "ditch the wig and everything that resembles a slave."
We don't see a slave. We don't deny what we did in the past. I'm willing to apologize for what "we' did (I sure as hell had no hand in anything that happened, but fine, I'll be the one to apologize again) but you can't assume it's easy for us to change such a tradition.
In America, the elves are little people. Have they ever thought about that and have they ever thought about changing it?
Also, I'm wondering where you're from and where you grew up, since you say 'you guys' (as in, the Dutch.) but you speak like you grew up here, telling me about your memories. On the other hand, the way you're talking about Saint Nicolas, doesn't sound like you're Dutch at all.
I'm just wondering if you noticed that you're mixing up a lot of facts and memories here, and that a part of you is hating Sinterklaas because of your memories, and as soon as I explain how your memories aren't the same as anyone's, you write a six-paged story on how we are in debt towards black people and therefore, can't afford to have Black pete.
And how we should change our nostalgia and our favorite festival of the whole year to a wintersfest with a fricking Snowqueen.
Don't get me wrong, I love Elsa, I am cosplaying her dress and my room is filled with Frozen-items and snowflakes as we speak..., but she can fricking eat yellow snow compared to Sinterklaas.
Thérefore I am confused. You seem to speak of Sinterklaas like you're Dutch, but meanwhile, you have nó feelings towards this festival like the rest of us does. It's like asking us to photoshop our babypictures and throw the originals out.
2:13 how dare you
* cries
Love him
Oh no, there's nothing racist about this. We're just making fun of inferior dark skinned people. And anyway it's just for kids, so, you know, there's no connection between it and our racial prejudice against people from Africa or our centuries-long colonial subjugation of Indonesia...
we're not making fun of anyone, what are you talking about?
Max Koopman - Hey Koopman, you know, denial is not just a river in Egypt.
It's what we tell our children about black Pete that determines whether it's racist or not, and the current story isn't remotely racist. I do like your user name though.
We're just making fun of inferior dark skinned people.show how you think
As a kid, I actually looked up to this character. I actually wanted to be more like him and spread joy and kindness to others. In a lot of media they were portraiyed as silly, but likeable and always came up with a clever solution to solve a problem or save the holiday. They were mostly the heroes of a lot of films while Sinterklaas himself usually took a backseat. I never associated them with actual black people and just saw them as a person, very kind ones at that. But hey, Im a white privileged male and therefore wrong and racist :)
love 2 the Friezen they block a bus full of people that hate 'Zwarte piet' on the hyway on there way too a demonstration
Zwarte Piet did not originate in kolonial times. Over the ages Piet changed along with our culture, but he originated way way back in history. There are many similar cultural figures with black faces throughout europe, with different stories behind them but common origins which have nothing to do with slaves or coloured people, that is just something that Piet changed into in kolonial times.
fact, in belgium we celebrate sinterklaas on the 6th of december
what's that song right at the start of the vid that's on for couple seconds Bern trying to find for ages@
Imo you missed some informaton here and there, thats pretty vital to the subject.
"Swuartu pietn"
LMAO
In many countries, there are traditions, such as with Christmas. In the US there is Santa Claus in the Netherlands Sinterklaas. Sinterklaas comes from Spain, a warm country. Santa Claus lives at the North Pole. The total picture, however, shows striking similarities. Probably Santa Claus was taken to America by Dutch emigrants. When they settled in America to start a new and better life there they took the Sinterklaas celebration with them. This was embraced by the American children and adapted to the culture in America, and there; Santa Claus was born.
At Santa Claus, the children can put something ready for Santa Claus at the Christmas tree. At Sinterklaas, the children can put their shoe with, for example, a carrot for the horse of Sinterklaas ready at the fireplace. Just as Sinterklaas is surrounded by a helpless army of Zwarte Pieten who listens at the chimney whether a child is obedient, Santa Claus also has his own assistants. The elves / Zwarte Pieten have a further function, they hand out the toys to the children. Zwarte Pieten are climbing through chimneys to put these toys ready for the children, which is why they are black-smeared from the soot. Also on the streets, there are parades through the streets with Sinterklaas and Zwarten Pieten. They are black-smeared so that the children do not discover the neighbour .. (who is playing for Zwarte Piet) so it is a consistent story. By all commercialism, you could economize the dress up and grime of Zwarte Piet to solve the problem that some people experience or we start with Santa Claus.
Just agree with everyone 😂😂😂, brilliant!
actualy, Sinterklaas is a old happend story. sinterklaas is a holy person who gave poor children gifts to cheer them up, zwartepiet is a later added to the story for fun, so that's not actualy happend.
There was actualy a backstory of black Piet that all of them were freed slaves who got a job from Sinterklaas, and he provides food and a home, while the Piet's have fun.
1:17 this is hilarious
The traditional cities here in Brazil just painted them colored, and every single citizen was ok with that. Now Christmas is more colorful when a kid gets his butt beaten by a piter for being naughty.
when come there a video about "carnaval"?
An important comment on this debate made by Conscious:
This actually was a figure based on the Moors who had a presences in
Holland.
The Expulsion From Spain and the Dispersal of the Moors
In Iberia, Christian pressures on the Moors grew irresistible. Finally,
in 1492, Granada, the last important Muslim stronghold in al-Andalus,
was taken by the soldiers of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, and the
Moors were expelled from Spain. In 1496, to appease Isabella, King
Manuel of Portugal announced a royal decree banishing the Moors from
that portion of the peninsula. The Spanish king Philip III expelled the
remaining Moors by a special decree issued in 1609. Fully 3,500,000
Moors, or Moriscos, as their descendants were called, left Spain between
1492 and 1610.
An estimated million Moors settled in France. Others moved into Holland.
A very curious story in the Netherlands is that of Zwarte Piet (Black
Peter). By some accounts Zwarte Piet, the companion to Sinterklaas
(Santa Claus), was a Moorish orphan boy whom Sinterklaas adopted and
trained as his assistant.
tomorrow sinterklaas will come with the stoomboot and some rainbow piets
Fact: New York is named New Amsterdam (best city)
It was named that originally, but it isn't anymore. It became New York when the English captured it.
OMG I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE IM ACTUALLY 3 MINUTES AWAY FROM THERE BCS I LIVE NEAR😂(the beginning)
Dutch:OH Hoi Ik kom van Nederland inglish:oh hello I am from the Netherlands
If you think children don't give a shit, then you've not met me as a child.
Opgegroeid met zwarte piet als de naam van de acteurs, en zal me elk jaar ook doorzetten van deze traditie naar me eigen kinderen.
2:13 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👌🏻👌🏻👍🏼
Last sentence, just always the best way to act, don't give a shit ;)
Nick R only cowards speak the way you do. It's always cowards like you that hide behind anonimity. Lafaard, met je laffe racistische uitspraakjes.
For some reason I never assosiated black people with Pieten, Pieten were white people with makeup in a funny suit, it genuinely didn't cross my mind they were imitating black people. So I was pretty surprised when I discovered it was actually pretty racist and I'm very upset that Rainbow Piet didn't become a thing.
People, kids really don't give a shit as long as they get sweets and it's not like this Piet is the same one as fifty years ago, there is no tradition, if there was we would still give the kids salt and bad dolls.
after 2:10 there was a explosion sound outside my house
it isnt the second week of november its the 5ht of december
facts
That's what I call a non-hysterical view from abroad.
Search for Krampus on Wikipedia to understand where Zwarte Piet's roots are.
Bro as a ducht person when I was two i was scared of zwarte Piet
There's only one R in "buried".
Blackface scared the shit out of me
I didnt care as a child i did care about the pepernoten cuz their nice!
UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I have Santa Clauss and now I scared of them
And
dit is goud = This is gold
fun fact: the original saint nicholas of mira never set foot in spain his entire life. born and died in Turkey.
Falafl that's great but sinterklaas isn't santa or st Nicholas
Next year I want a black Sinterklaas!
Eh, we do have 'the new sint' A black man without helpers, just assistance saints (or sinten) whom help not so much HIM, but just dress up and have a cool party with him and parents and kids.