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Komentáře • 640

  • @claremiller9979
    @claremiller9979 Před 5 lety +3272

    Knowing I'm not interesting enough to be a protagonist in a novel is such a mood.

    •  Před 4 lety +281

      Well, maybe your life isn't innteresting enough, idk but your mood in itself is quite interesting as a feeling and can create a good character who isn't up to his own expectations. That's it, in your feeling of "i'm not interesting enough", you found something interesting

    • @rileye5347
      @rileye5347 Před 4 lety +51

      L'éclectique It was funny until this comment was here.

    • @devanshigupta7567
      @devanshigupta7567 Před 4 lety +54

      @ I want to write such a character now!

    • @femininequeer8277
      @femininequeer8277 Před 4 lety +21

      This spoke to me more than any comment ever has

    • @Arctic7985
      @Arctic7985 Před 4 lety +4

      Nah I pretty much already assumed that for me.

  • @kiracrowley9150
    @kiracrowley9150 Před 4 lety +693

    When I write a character, I always like to start at their personal rock bottom. It’s not always in the story, but it’s helpful for me to understand where their lowest bar is

    • @razkable
      @razkable Před 2 lety +37

      whats great is a character can just be internally low at some point not externally low and thats not where we meet them or its not even where we get to with them..like you said we may never even see that point in there life or it may be a flashback...but just having that basis is a great way to make a better character...props to you for that as a starting point..it works for sure

    • @testedalexthegreat1759
      @testedalexthegreat1759 Před 2 lety +4

      @@razkable Flashbacks in and of themselves are usually poor forms of storytelling.

    • @himboghost629
      @himboghost629 Před 2 lety +1

      Your pic crew pfp is very cute

    • @protorhinocerator142
      @protorhinocerator142 Před 2 lety +2

      @@testedalexthegreat1759 I find flashbacks to be super annoying. I see this often on TV shows where it's pretty clear the writer doesn't understand where his own story is going. Just when you think the plot is advancing, ANOTHER FLASHBACK!
      There's a big difference between flashback and backstory. It's often worth the effort to come up with detailed backstory for the main characters, especially tragic backstory. But you keep it all way over there on a shelf collecting dust. You as the author know it's there, so the character knows it's there, but you don't wipe the reader's nose in it.
      A good compromise might be the way the story is told in the Dune books or the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy books. At the beginning of each chapter we see some backstory that intersects with the current situation, but never interferes with it. The writer doesn't screech the train to a dead stop to insert this backstory. At first it might feel this way to the reader, but then you quickly get used to the writing style.
      These mini-backstories take the form of their own stories, with a beginning, middle, and end. In the case of Hitchhiker, the stories are often humorous. In the case of Dune, the writer often takes the liberty of setting the common reference time well into the future of the main story, making the main story the backstory. In one example, the point of reference takes place many thousands of years in the future, and we're looking back on the main story in its historical context, in terms of how "modern" society was affected by these events thousands of years later.
      If you don't know what I'm talking about, I would suggest getting ahold of the first Hitchhiker book, as it's a much easier read than Dune.
      It becomes apparent nearly instantly what the writers are doing.
      And in this case, you may want to have 3 compartments. The main story, the main backstory, and the revealed backstory.
      The only time I recall a flashback being interesting at all, was in one of the books of The Chronicles of Amber. The story starts off very chaotic as the protagonist tries to reach Amber, the center of all reality in the multiverse. He unexpectedly meets his brother, who is also from Amber, who helps him get there. And maybe it was just a bit too convenient for him to show up at that exact time, but it moved the plot forward.
      Later on in the story (book 3 I believe) the chaos dies down for a moment so contacts his brother to ask him specifically why he was there at that particular moment of time.
      The brother (Prince Random) gives a very interesting data dump of his actions for the past several years. The writing style for this story is a bit different and it sounds like someone else is telling the story, which is true in-universe.
      The Amber series is notably written in first-person perspective.
      "I am a prince of Amber. I needed to get back. I had to fight all sorts of monsters along the way. I did this. I did that."
      In the chapter devoted to Random's story, he also uses the first-person perspective, but it feels a whole lot different. He was going through his own weird stuff at the time, with his own goals, his own struggles, etc. His story concludes at the point where he met with the main protagonist in the first book of the series. After that they have more of a shared history.
      When (in-chapter) he finally meets up with the main protagonist (Prince Corwin), he places him in the second-person.
      "I met YOU. I told you about the thing. I asked you about so and so. I helped you do this."
      I found this whole chapter to be one of the most enjoyable chapters in the entire series, and it might even be a good starting point for someone interested in reading the series. Maybe not, because there might be spoilers, but maybe so if they're on the fence about reading it at all.
      Other than that, flashbacks are almost always annoying.

    • @ThePyroSquirrel1
      @ThePyroSquirrel1 Před měsícem

      @@protorhinocerator142 I don’t know I find flash backs as being very engaging if done correctly. I just finished reading Jurassic park and the times they use flashbacks or refer to events in the past it helped heighten the stakes in the present. But I agree that a weak writer might not always understand how to use flashbacks correctly.

  • @portella2509
    @portella2509 Před 5 lety +1479

    The thing I always do when creating a character is coming up with their childhood stories. I know it sounds like procrastination or silliness, but it's actually really helpful. If you think about your childhood stories right now, say, for example, an accident that you caused to yourself when you were a child, when you really think about it, it's just your personality at its highest point, because you still hadn't learnt self control or understood social rules. When you get to know your character's childhood story, you get to learn their personality before it was shaped into society rules and morals. That's the personality that shows up whenever you're in a desperate situation or when you're the most vulnerable. Maybe your character has a scar on their forehead that they got when they were a kid, and it happened when they were running and jumping down the stairs pretending to be an astronaut (idk), that shows they're imaginative, they're adventurous, but they're also reckless and have little power to analyze the danger of the situation they're getting into.
    Editing to add one more information about this, because I just remembered where I got that from. The first and quite possibly the only book I've seen done this is the greatest piece of Brazilian literature there is, this book it's easily the best ever written in this country. The original name is "Memórias Póstumas de Brás Cubas", written by Machado de Assis in the end of the nineteenth century. The story begins with the main character's death, and then the dead narrator tells his life story. This very specific chapter that is vastly studied by literature majors it's called "O menino è o pai do homem", which roughly translates to, "the child is the father of the man". This narrates his childhood, it narrates his actions and how he wasn't really corrected on them, which meant that he grew up the same way he was when a child, because no one ever had an effort to correct his behavior. This chapter it's incredibly important to understand the story, and it builds a bridge between who the main character was and how he still is the same person.

    • @ShaelinWrites
      @ShaelinWrites  Před 5 lety +153

      That's a great tip!

    • @Teddy-iv2sc
      @Teddy-iv2sc Před 5 lety +23

      liv, the hedgehog omg that’s brilliant. Thank you !

    • @josevt2333
      @josevt2333 Před 5 lety +11

      Omg thank you so much!!

    • @kreativechaosguides4821
      @kreativechaosguides4821 Před 5 lety +42

      tbh this is literally the only thing i do for characters, and to me it kind of making alot of other things not as important. once you know what someone did in their childhood, you know what kind of traits they will have. if they wanted a nice toy but were too poor, they will spend their adulthoods thinking about possessions from that viewpoint, perhaps from a mindset of scarcity, which in turn can become a limiting belief that "some people were just born rich". the arc will be complete when they find out either how to get rich, or that money isnt an inherently negative or positive thing, etc.
      kind of mind barfing all this, sorry lol

    • @Mikeztarp
      @Mikeztarp Před 5 lety +19

      I don't want to be mean, but this is simplistic, and frankly, just plain wrong. For example, I have a scar in one eyebrow that I got by riding a bike too close to a rose bush as a kid, and although I'm imaginative, the other three traits you listed don't correspond to me at all. In the same vein, I know plenty of people who grew up poor but aren't obsessed with consumerism as in Kreative Chaos Guides' example. Did you folks get this idea from a psychology book?
      You can't take a single childhood event and draw those kinds of conclusions about someone's personality, or the impact their childhood might have on their future personality. Unless it's a life-altering one, and even then, different people react differently, because it's more complex than what you suggest.

  • @elled.3544
    @elled.3544 Před 4 lety +1561

    timestamps ;
    0:00 - intro
    2:41 -complex psychology/goals, desires, and yearning
    4:40- mask and countermask
    6:11- contradictions
    7:50- hobbies, interests, passions
    9:02- revealing actions/detail
    10:41- artful incongruity
    12:52- internal world
    14:21- specificity
    16:30- belief system
    18:06- self-awareness/perception
    19:14 -the dark room
    21:40- questions to ask yourself if you're lost
    22:11 -flaws
    23:25 - messy people & outro

  • @HelloFutureMe
    @HelloFutureMe Před 5 lety +807

    Love your work Shaelin.

    • @LonewolfeSlayer
      @LonewolfeSlayer Před 5 lety +19

      Love your work as well

    • @Temperraryplaylist
      @Temperraryplaylist Před 4 lety +30

      Didn't expect to see you here, I must admit

    • @trevordane4605
      @trevordane4605 Před 3 lety +7

      Not gonna lie a bit surpised you're here.

    • @fullmetaltheorist
      @fullmetaltheorist Před 3 lety +7

      Pleseant surprise seeing you here

    • @micaiahborchers8914
      @micaiahborchers8914 Před 3 lety +6

      Wow, seeing you here is kind of cool! I watch both her and you for writing advice, it's kind of neat that you watch her stuff.

  • @thepicklelord1493
    @thepicklelord1493 Před 3 měsíci +44

    Anyone watching in 2024?

  • @jeremyjenks8421
    @jeremyjenks8421 Před 3 lety +39

    "Spend time with your characters. Have dinner with them."

  • @christal8904
    @christal8904 Před 4 lety +206

    Shaelin: "...This isn't really a checklist..."
    me: in the middle of starting a checklist *sweatdrop*

  • @noelfederis8446
    @noelfederis8446 Před 3 lety +68

    Revealing actions: I watched a zombie movie last night where the protagonist spilled her tumbler of water to her plants instead of drinking her last source.

  • @Temperraryplaylist
    @Temperraryplaylist Před 4 lety +339

    TL;DW
    1. Complex Psychology - Make your character more complex. The following are ways to do that.
    2. Goals, Desires, and Yearning - Not only the goals, but the reasons behind the goals
    3. Mask and Counter-Mask - A mask is what the character shows of themselves most of the time, a counter mask is equally them, but they don't usually show that trait
    4. Contradictions
    5. Interests, Skills, Hobbies - What do they do in their spare time? Why are they passionate about that thing?
    6. Revealing Passion and Detail - Actions the character does that reveals what they're passionate about
    7. Artful Incongruity - A bit like contradictions: things a passions you wouldn't expect from a stereotype of your character, but representing them in a beautiful way
    8. Internal World - The characters existence within their own mind. How the character views the world. Esp. powerful in 1st person
    9. Specificity - Be as specific as you can!! If they're an engineer, what KIND of engineer? Habits, clothing, appearance. Be incongruous with it too.
    10. Belief System
    11. Self-Perception - How aware the character is of themselves, whether they are accurate or not
    12. The Dark Room - The dark room is the one room in a house where you do not go. That room holds the core of the character. This core is often a dark truth. While the dark room is never explicitly shown, it can be inferred from the other rooms in the house.
    13. Some Questions you can ask yourself if you're struggling with your character: What makes them different from any other person? What make their outlook on the world different from any other person? What questions do they ask themselves about the world or about their own lives? How do they see other people? How do they see themselves?
    14. Flaw - Their flaw is rooted in every aspect of their psychology, and often in the dark room. Its not arbitrary like awkwardness, but more impactful and plot-affecting.
    15. People Are Disasters - Don't be afraid of the human messiness! People are complex wrecks. Dive into that.

  • @JonBaldie
    @JonBaldie Před 5 lety +307

    Sounds like "Dark Room" is basically the same as Jung's concept of The Shadow. The dark pit in our subconscious where we throw all of the dark things our ego doesn't allow us to identify with. E.g. bad driver, lazy, careless. We project these traits onto others, which is why what triggers us actually reveals the most about the sore points of our own personality.

    • @ShaelinWrites
      @ShaelinWrites  Před 5 lety +36

      I'm not familiar with the concept of The Shadow, but I'll have to read up on it, it sounds interesting!

    • @JonBaldie
      @JonBaldie Před 5 lety +13

      You should, it's interesting and highly applicable to storytelling! Here's my favourite short guide on the subject: scottjeffrey.com/shadow-work/

    • @herrsamsa2247
      @herrsamsa2247 Před 5 lety +3

      ShaelinWrites ur so cute shaelin, read up on the subject of The shadow 😂

    • @dingoa9595
      @dingoa9595 Před 4 lety +3

      This is scary I JUST discovered this idea and its crazy. Yes definitely check it out

    • @thinginground5179
      @thinginground5179 Před 2 lety +2

      @@ShaelinWritesJungian psychology is good advice for writing. It has basis in stories like Harry Potter, LoTR, etc

  • @willtitone8844
    @willtitone8844 Před 5 lety +134

    Love the dark room idea. We all have one, so it's only natural our characters would too. Definitely want to try incorporating this in a character's moment of vulnerability

  • @wintertargaryen5269
    @wintertargaryen5269 Před rokem +21

    In 26 years of having ADHD , I have rarely find a video where I did not stop nor felt the need to rewinding every five seconds. You did an amazing work by pushing that much info on such a sort video. Serious genius.

  • @sangria-margarita
    @sangria-margarita Před 5 lety +160

    14:30 ‘’It’s my bread and earth balance’’ 😂 same

  • @miaththered
    @miaththered Před 5 lety +67

    Yeeeeeeees, thank you! "When you're creating a character you're creating a person" I am so glad I'm not the only one who holds this viewpoint!

  • @dreamwanderer9769
    @dreamwanderer9769 Před 5 lety +447

    "It's my bread and butter- wait, I'm a vegan-uh, my bread and Earth Balance." As another vegan who writes, this made my day

    • @danaprovenzano3961
      @danaprovenzano3961 Před 4 lety +6

      Armadillo Panic love earth balance!! Lol 😂

    • @bookishwriter9460
      @bookishwriter9460 Před 4 lety +9

      Let's just say "bread and margarine" because there is margarine that is solely made out of plant oils. (It actually tastes a lot better than non-vegan margarine or butter. And it's a lot healthier too)

    • @cedarmoss7173
      @cedarmoss7173 Před 3 lety

      Any advice on how to write food while being realistic and respectful?

  • @tayo_95
    @tayo_95 Před 5 lety +86

    When I heard the explanation of the "dark room" it creeped me out in the best way.

  • @K4ndieboi
    @K4ndieboi Před 4 lety +540

    So I’m writing my first “real” book and I love it so so so much. I love the story I love my main character almost too much, and what sucks is that I know the book is going to suck. First books always suck. But I don’t want it to suck soooo badly because I love the story so much. I keep going back and rewriting and editing and adding and removing so much and I’m just so afraid it’s gonna be bad but i want it to be good. Idk why the fuck I’m writing this no one cares 😂 just wanted to put my struggle out there I guess if anyone wants to relate with me

    • @K4ndieboi
      @K4ndieboi Před 4 lety +61

      Gabas Elamin it’s about a teenage boy who’s mom dies when he’s a freshman and his dad becomes an alcoholic who’s borderline abusive. He turns to drugs to cope with his depression and anxiety. His friends know that he has a problem but they won’t get him help because he doesn’t want it and they have too much fun. There’s also a love subplot but most of the book is ty (the main character) trying to overcome his drug problem

    • @hanalovesyt7452
      @hanalovesyt7452 Před 4 lety +39

      I know exactly how you feel. It's the same with my story 😂

    • @lemonswsushi3644
      @lemonswsushi3644 Před 4 lety +34

      I made characters for a comic I wanted to make and I was super excited, I went back over them today with my older brother and a lot of them were really dumb, to the point that I didn't want to show him because I don't want to get laughed at. It ended with me just staying quiet because I'm super insecure about my stuff. So now I'm looking for ways to improve my shite writing skills. Hope your first book doesn't turn out as bad as my cast of characters..

    • @piesmuggler7268
      @piesmuggler7268 Před 4 lety +43

      i know this comment is 8 months old, but if i have any advice it's to get feedback from people. whether that means getting an editor or just showing your book to some people you know or straight up releasing it. when you're locked in a bubble, you don't have the best vision of what it's like to actually read the book from the perspective of someone who doesn't know everything that happens, and that's the entire point of a book. if you want to make a good experience for readers, hearing about a reader's experience is extremely helpful. also, remember that life goes on after you're done with the book, and if you really want to you can remake it even better years later. don't stress too much about it. i hope my advice is in some way helpful.

    • @Mjot101
      @Mjot101 Před 4 lety +13

      I'm in the exact same position, the way I see it is that if it sucks its probably not getting released and then hopefully I'll write some other stuff and improve and then eventually come back and write the story properly.

  • @Ned-nw6ge
    @Ned-nw6ge Před 4 lety +109

    I usually base my main characters off of my self, but I fear that they become too similar to each other for that reason.

    • @razkable
      @razkable Před 2 lety +24

      what you need to do is use others for inspiration for more minor characters and divide your traits into different main/side characters so each gets one trait and enhance that one trait in each of them to make them stand out...thats a good way to do it

  • @th3logician
    @th3logician Před rokem +5

    The high morals but easy to push over was SO RELATABLE!

  • @cwfcwfcwf
    @cwfcwfcwf Před 5 lety +147

    This is one of those videos that a person should watch several times. There is so much information here that not all of it will sink in the first time you watch. Good job, Shaelin. :)

    • @ShaelinWrites
      @ShaelinWrites  Před 5 lety +12

      Thank you! :D

    • @emandell2561
      @emandell2561 Před 2 lety

      As I listen for the third time, I see this. :)

    • @dinoelate5900
      @dinoelate5900 Před 5 měsíci

      I can agree, I replayed the same part for AT LEAST twenty minutes so I could absorb it lol

  • @N.Traveler
    @N.Traveler Před 5 lety +80

    Me: my story sucks, all my characters are a mess...
    Shaelin: Don't be afraid of the messiness to create complex characters.
    Me: Alright then. Let's keep this thing going.
    Haha in all seriousness, the darkroom concept really stuck with me and gave me the best ideas for my characters and story. It was basically the magic question I was looking for to understand the deeper theme in my story and the flaws within my protagonist! Thank you so much for this informative video. I love your write-with-me vlogs, but these are super helpful as well.

  • @dobermanredd3570
    @dobermanredd3570 Před 5 lety +61

    I really love these tips, most ‘how to make a character’ videos use the same tips. But you actually bring up different advice and tips.

  • @bageba8
    @bageba8 Před 5 lety +241

    Holy shit Shaelin, you went IN! I think this might be your most useful and informative video yet (out of a selection of very useful and informative videos!). I didn't really expect to find this video so helpful, because creating complex characters is something I already do well, but even though you basically just covered the exact methods I use, I still feel like I learned a ton!

    • @ShaelinWrites
      @ShaelinWrites  Před 5 lety +18

      Ayeee I'm glad! Honestly it's such a hard topic to teach and I find a lot of content on the topic is /fairly/ repetitive or common sense

    • @BobMarley-eg3lv
      @BobMarley-eg3lv Před 5 lety

      Don’t say aye ever again

    • @kurtzm172
      @kurtzm172 Před 4 lety +11

      Bob Marley calm yourself friend and it’s not polite to tell a lady what to do

    • @cq4851
      @cq4851 Před 3 lety +4

      @@BobMarley-eg3lv man what's up with you leaving all the rude replies

  • @ruriva4931
    @ruriva4931 Před 3 lety +28

    "at least as interesting as yourself" I really latched onto that piece of advice. I tried short writing exercise with myself as the main character under a different name (since using my own named felt uncanny) and in third person. Looking at myself as a book character let me understand what makes a character read human. I was able to understand your other advice through that sense too. Then I was able to apply that insight to other things.

  • @carrieloman6489
    @carrieloman6489 Před 4 lety +19

    A way I always use to create characters is to take a simple idea and expand upon it. For example, one of my characters loves learning. Why does he love learning? Well, he never had a proper education so there are lots of things that he doesn’t know and he loves discovering new things.
    Now you’ve got three pieces of information: he loves learning, he likes to discover new things, and he didn’t have a proper education. Now, why didn’t he have a proper education? He was an orphan who was living on the streets and he became a thief to keep himself alive.
    Now, you have five: He loves learning, he likes discovering things, he wasn’t properly educated, he grew up as an orphan, and he was a thief. Now why did he grow up as an orphan? Shortly after he was born, an internal war was waged in his country. Amidst the chaos, he was separated from his parents and although they looked for him, he was never found.
    This is just my simple way and I could say more about him since I’ve got his entire story and how his character developed over the years. That would be a lot of information though so I’ll avoid that unless someone’s curious. Anyways, I hope this helps. It’s always perfectly fine to start with a small piece of the puzzle. All books start with their first letter.

    • @ashb3789
      @ashb3789 Před měsícem

      Thank you!! This is very helpful! ❤

  • @elly9311
    @elly9311 Před 5 lety +389

    Good thing all my characters are disasters. Phew! :D

    • @ShaelinWrites
      @ShaelinWrites  Před 5 lety +66

      mine are too!! love a disaster character!!

  • @Vickynger
    @Vickynger Před 5 lety +45

    something that ive found really works for me is starting with the quirks. i know, i know, quirks are usually meant to be the dressing on the salad that is your character, but my understanding of my characters, even if ive worked on them quite a while already, is usually very nebulous.
    i have a vague feeling for who they are, but thinking about their backstory or their goals and such doesnt really alleviate this feeling of vagueness.
    so once i give them something tangible, usually a quirk but it could also be a phobia or just some way of reacting or talking, they start to get real in my head.
    its just a matter of finding the right one. which might take a few days. but once ive found it, theyre suddenly a real character in my head and i can go ahead and come up with the more substantial part of their psyche pretty easily.

    • @ShaelinWrites
      @ShaelinWrites  Před 5 lety +6

      Actually I totally agree! Sometimes those really specific oddities/quirks are like a window into the character.

  • @jorgecuevas8843
    @jorgecuevas8843 Před 11 měsíci +4

    You must be excellent writing. Just the way you explain human contradictions is beautiful

  • @DaveKilgore
    @DaveKilgore Před 3 lety +9

    Thank you, young lady, for helping to make this old guy a better writer.

  • @anilsrivastha708
    @anilsrivastha708 Před 3 lety +11

    I imagine my character standing and facing me, directly eye to eye. Simultaneously, at the back of my head I imagine/create an action they take in the story which reveals their contradiction and ‘deeper hidden self’. I come back to them facing me and I’ve now built a contradiction of them into my perception.
    It’s like the character is ready to bare who they are to me, no matter the protagonist or antagonist. It’s as they’re looking at me and saying, “this is who I am and I can’t help it.”
    All the above may sound incredibly abstract and even useless. But it works wonders for me.

  • @Firestarter078
    @Firestarter078 Před 5 lety +33

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts,, ideas and techniques but most of all thanks for using yourself as an example...I find that I need examples to get a clear understanding.

  • @al22st
    @al22st Před 5 lety +35

    For me this video will help me a lot in making my secondary characters to stand out more. I do struggle with this kind of things

    • @ShaelinWrites
      @ShaelinWrites  Před 5 lety +5

      I struggle with secondary characters too! It can be a tricky one

    • @BobMarley-eg3lv
      @BobMarley-eg3lv Před 5 lety +1

      ShaelinWrites What’s the problem with trying to make them all primary characters when not every one of them fits the spot

  • @AT-fv1zz
    @AT-fv1zz Před rokem +4

    Thanks Shaelin, for emptying your drawer full of ideas on my bed and describing each so breathlessly. You’re a gem.

  • @carrieloman6489
    @carrieloman6489 Před 4 lety +14

    Shaelin, I feel like you should start putting a glossary of terms in your descriptions. I always learn new words from your videos. Sometimes I’ve heard of them and other times they just sound alien. It’s quite amusing haha. Thank you for expanding my vocabulary.
    And for anyone who was confused like I was, incongruity is a synonym for inconsistency or incompatibility. Google’s example sentence was this: “the incongruity of his fleshy face and skinny body disturbed her.”
    Hope this helps anyone who was confused!

  • @harpiyon
    @harpiyon Před 2 lety +6

    I remember an action movie from the 1980s with Burt Reynolds playing a tough guy / bodyguard in Las Vegas who has to deal with all types of criminals, mafia, rapists, etc. He dreams of traveling to Venice, Italy. In critical situations (whenver he has to take a difficult decision or before a fight) he always thinks of that place. It helps him keep his cool & do the right thing even when everyone else panicks. He makes it through the movie (in spite some bad guys try to kill him several times). Last scene, you see him enjoying a Gondola ride in Venice. I was always wondering, why does a tough guy like that dream of such a charming place. It's so out of character, but it kinda stuck with me. Now I know the answer: "Artful Incongruity".

  • @jonbrouwer4300
    @jonbrouwer4300 Před rokem +3

    Wow. This is practically a whole craft book on character condensed into 20 minutes. These are seriously great insights.
    Saving this video on my favorites

  • @jabrilyousef
    @jabrilyousef Před rokem +2

    you’re *definitely* NOT garbage 😊 this was absolutely wonderful!

  • @plazole9097
    @plazole9097 Před 6 měsíci +1

    This video is too good for its own good. I keep hearing things and then start getting ideas then realize I just missed five minutes of the video cuz I was too busy thinking about things. Then the process repeats 10 seconds after rewinding.
    This makes me space out in the best way thank you so much

  • @theoneandonline
    @theoneandonline Před rokem +3

    There's something in your vibe that emits such an ... expertise and deep knowledge of what you're talking about, it's super refreshing, helpful and inspiring. Thank you for sharing all these tips!

  • @twistedreality997
    @twistedreality997 Před rokem +2

    i love how i'm such a simple consistent person, no big contradictions or secrets or anything- no interesting backstory or whatever- i'm honestly pretty boring and i couldn't use myself as a refference to save my life- yet i have like over 100 characters who are all so complex and developed on ever level but i never even tried or learned how to do this i just have maladaptive daydreaming and this happens to be the wierd talent i got apparantly, i just use these videos to check if i accidentally did that right lol

  • @cieradrake3331
    @cieradrake3331 Před rokem +1

    This is the third time I’m coming back to this video. You’re so good at explaining points I never even thought about before ;)

  • @ethankennan212
    @ethankennan212 Před 5 lety +6

    The comic I’ve been planning has many alien characters with blue and orange morality in it. I like to start off with the central concept that defines the morality of their entire species, then give different interpretations of that concept to factions of that species, and go down from there until I get to the character I want to develop. It can certainly be helpful for me.

  • @bhavikasicka3098
    @bhavikasicka3098 Před 4 lety +7

    I'm working on my first novel which centers around a group of characters and follows their journey/s in third-person limited, and I am struggling to flesh them out fully (through backstories, contradictions, inner worlds, through their specific desires and fears, hopes and insecurities). This video really helped. Thank you for sharing this incredibly valuable information, and thank you for-totally unrelated-being a vegan!

  • @joannemcalpineartworks2140

    Love the mask and counter-mask concept - never thought of that. And I feel like the revealing action is more about surprising action. Nice video, thanks for the share.

  • @animalobsessed1
    @animalobsessed1 Před 5 lety +53

    Internal world: A problem I have when I write the character's interpretation instead of the actual events is, how do I make sure the reader understands that it's not actually an accurate representation of what happened in the story? To be more specific, I have a habit of making pov characters misinterpret what other characters are trying to do/say, so if the reader takes that interpretation at face value, it can make it seem like those other characters are acting out of character later on.

    • @WiscoDrinks
      @WiscoDrinks Před rokem +2

      You could have the protag/narrator comment or be involved in stuff that a reader could know objectively and be biased about it. Or have an internal mechanism to ground the reader in the narrative reality that isn't attached to the protagonists experience

    • @JC-yy8iv
      @JC-yy8iv Před rokem +3

      I recently read a book that did an excellent job with this, Barbara Kingsolver’s The Poisonwood Bible.
      The book is about a missionary family in Africa, and it’s definitely not in favor of that at all. It’s a multi-POV (the family’s four sisters, some of whom are children at the start), and the characters all show up to the Democratic Republic of Congo in varied states of ignorance and unconscious bias/racism.
      And she puts a LOT of trust in the reader, letting us see the Congo and the Congolese people first through the eyes of ignorant Americans and only later reframing early events, as the sisters mature and become more informed about what’s going on (it’s set around the time that the Congo declared independence, had a democratic election, and then suffered through a CIA-backed military coup that installed a puppet government, extremely fucked up stuff).
      Anyway, in the beginning of the book she uses various devices to let us know that the book doesn’t share the prejudices of its narrators.
      In the case of one sister, she misuses and misspells a lot of words (not so many it’s distracting but pretty consistently throughout), blatant mistakes that would never make it to print, subtly separating the narrator from the author.
      In the case of another, she blindly worships the family’s missionary father, who we know to be a horrible person. Makes it clear she doesn’t yet understand what’s wrong with the colonialist mindset.
      Anyway those are the two devices I can think of off the top of my head, but I highly recommend the book, especially on this topic, it’s a masterclass in a certain type of unreliable narrators.

  • @SoftFryMildlyOverSalted
    @SoftFryMildlyOverSalted Před 2 lety +8

    Ooh I just thought of some good examples for artistic incongruity! An expected example might be a gentle giant, it's incongruous but not that interesting, I think an unexpected example might be a beautiful graveyard, which isn't the opposite of a sad graveyard, but still describes something like a graveyard in a unique way. I hope you find this example helpful ^_^

  • @ld_raine4247
    @ld_raine4247 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I've been truly stuck for several weeks on a certain character. I wish I could pinpoint something specific, but I can't sorry. That said, something here triggered a eureka moment and I'm very grateful. Thank you

  • @fairyiyn1762
    @fairyiyn1762 Před rokem +3

    I love writing but I get unmotivated because I can never think of a plot that gets me hooked on the story, or intrigued by the characters. if *anyone* has even the slightest plot idea, general advice or character ideas I'd appreciate it so so much! If I'm given an idea I will make sure to twist it and add things and I would never copy anything directly if you didn't want me to. thanks again!

  • @adamfinch3593
    @adamfinch3593 Před 5 lety +34

    "I'm... such... garbage"
    - Shaelin Bishop 2019

  • @Sx--F
    @Sx--F Před 5 lety +1

    i started watching this and then got inspired to add more depth to one of my main characters. thanks for your advice!

  • @listenn162
    @listenn162 Před 5 lety

    Your videos never fail to motivate me. I always play them when I sit down to start writing. Thank you :)

  • @angelicelly_904
    @angelicelly_904 Před 5 lety +11

    This is the best and more complete video I've watched about this topic

  • @SimplySafrite
    @SimplySafrite Před 4 lety +1

    This is SO useful! Its so nice to come back here to get ideas and to build my character better. Im not going to writing school but I love writing so this is lifesaving for me! thx shaelin for your hardwork

  • @argovalentine2368
    @argovalentine2368 Před 3 lety

    I saved this video for later use. I appreciate you making this as it helpped me get an idea on how to develop my own character.

  • @rachelthome165
    @rachelthome165 Před 4 lety +2

    I just found your channel and I am loving it! Your videos are SO helpful. Thanks for doing what you do! :) PS - I think it was the video you have on describing your characters/making them seem more believable that you shared some snippets from a short story you were working on - they were really beautiful!

  • @IloveItachiandGaaru
    @IloveItachiandGaaru Před 5 lety +23

    was just thinking about it being the right time for you to upload

  • @cristiancastro5853
    @cristiancastro5853 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Hii, I’m 11 years old and I’ve always had a passion for writing. I’ve been working on a world building project that takes place in an alternate universe where Japan is an extreme isolationist state and has taken extreme measures to do so. However I’m not sure about the backstory as it’s sort of out of date. ( I came up with concepts and story boarding for this when I was 10 ahah ) anyways.. here was the original concept lol.
    The concept basically starts with the three noble children, which are basically the three supreme gods in Japanese folklore, also the first ones. The trios names were 天照 ( Amaterasu, goddess of the sun , ) 月詠-の-みこと ( Tsukuyomi no Mikoto, god of the moon ) and finally, 素戔嗚-の-みこと ( Susanoo no Mikoto, god of the storms. ) However, in my version of this, there was one more. One more child. 速水-の-みこと ( Hayami no Mikoto. )
    Hayami was known for her extreme beauty and charm, she could allure any individual like a magnet. This however caused her to be extremely prideful and selfish. She was the goddess of beauty. However, one day when Amaterasu was declared the most supreme of the 3 children, Hayami felt extreme envy and this took a severe toll. Hayami was always the most treasured of them all, and now she was deemed as not as noble as her sister, Amaterasu. Hayami would then attempt to murder her sister, which she ultimately failed. And then was forever cursed to be a powerless being and was banished to Yomi. ( Japanese concept of afterlife or Hell. ) However, Amaterasu made a deal with Hayami. As Amaterasu was a fair spirit. The deal was Hayami could come back to the normal world if she promised to use her beauty for the better. However, this was a horrible mistake. Hayami would then use her beauty to almost possess her victims, and then ultimately asking for their soul. ( which could be used to gain power ) This ultimately lead to many individuals passing away.
    One day, Hayami disguise her self as a charming young girl at a celebration held at the very palace of the Royal Family.
    Nearing the end, she would offer a " gift " for the family. Which would be a beautiful song that would end up possessing the family. Except one, the eldest daughter, a princess. (edited)
    As the daughter had been away, she wouldn't be harmed, Hayami would then steal the families souls, killing them.
    And would continue on a spree throughout the capital, Tokyo.
    The day of the daughters arrival, she would be horrified to find almost the entire capital dead.
    Due to this, she would then close off all connection from Japan to avoid the evil spirit from going on a spree throughout the world. Resulting in extinction.
    However, the spirit would suddenly make a disappearance. Never to be seen again.
    Nobody knows where they went.
    Japan would then heal from the destruction, developing differently from the rest of the world as an isolationist state.

    • @julia-nu4fj
      @julia-nu4fj Před 5 měsíci +3

      It sounds interesting and creative. I encourage you to continue your work. Do more research on writing and worldbuilding and utilize what you learn to make your work as good as it can be. I recommend looking into the worldbuilding of JRR Tolkien, he wrote fantasy, albeit European-based.
      Also, as you are 11, I encourage you to be very careful and vigilant on the Internet when it comes to who you interact with. God Bless

    • @cristiancastro5853
      @cristiancastro5853 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@julia-nu4fj Thank you for ur feedback!

  • @roanfarnum
    @roanfarnum Před 5 lety +1

    I always learn so much from your videos, I'm so glad I subscribed! A lot of the time in writing videos people sound like they're repeating the same vague advice, but you really give a lot of specifics that are very helpful! Thanks for sharing what you've learned

  • @kal-muzel875
    @kal-muzel875 Před 5 lety +4

    A problem I often have is having too complex of characters and I end up having hard time putting their thought process and feelings into words
    Having them explained help me think of them with a bit of simplicity ^^

  • @marvamason
    @marvamason Před 3 lety +2

    This was a great video. Exactly what I needed at this stage of my riding life. My WIP is a story about my grandmother written as creative nonfiction and what she endured growing up in the early 1900s in rural Texas, raising her kids alone during the depression. You always help me so much and understanding various aspects of writing.

  • @leech1355
    @leech1355 Před 5 lety +5

    One example of “the dark room” is Professor McGonagall from Harry Potter. She fell madly in love with a Muggle boy but had to desert him because she saw how much her with mother struggled with her own marriage to a muggle (Minerva’s father). Minerva later married a wizard instead, who died shortly into their marriage.
    The fact that Minerva suffered all of this heartbreak really just makes total sense. You can see how this really shapes her way of being. Even tho we never find out any of this in the series, it doesn’t matter, it’s more important that JK Rowling had thought of this story - it’s the depth it lends to the character rather than the backstory itself, and that depth shines through on the page without us knowing a thing

  • @cheesecakelasagna
    @cheesecakelasagna Před 5 lety +4

    I like how technical you are with the tips.

  • @centaurora913
    @centaurora913 Před 3 lety +1

    I loved all the writing terms! Idk why I'm so obsessed but they made this video so much better

  • @emilyboyer9211
    @emilyboyer9211 Před 3 lety +1

    You're only in your fourth year of undergrad?! You are so unbelievably knowledgeable and need your degree now!

  • @ashmitgogoi2109
    @ashmitgogoi2109 Před 3 lety

    Literally the most helpful video I've seen on the internet about writing a character

  • @wattpadusergeek342
    @wattpadusergeek342 Před 3 lety +1

    Looks like I’m about to go through every single character I’ve ever created as a way to exercise your very useful points. Thank you for sharing these ideas 😊

  • @lex_cat11
    @lex_cat11 Před 4 lety

    Thank you so much for this video! I haven’t had an English class where we’ve actually talked about or learned about creative writing in several years so I loved learning from this ❤️

  • @LenadyStar
    @LenadyStar Před 5 lety +2

    I honestly love all these points. I think a lot of it I've managed to do subconsciously, but there were several things I hadn't even thought as much about. I love the idea of countermasks.

  • @tashathemuslim
    @tashathemuslim Před 5 lety +1

    I got about 5 minutes into this before having to stop and rewind so I could take notes. so helpful, thank you!

  • @blitzkyyy
    @blitzkyyy Před 5 lety +43

    You should really provide video transcripts on your website or something - this is some good stuff!! :D

    • @melodine707
      @melodine707 Před 5 lety +1

      No kidding because she talks so damn fast it's almost annoying.

    • @dizzee6089
      @dizzee6089 Před 4 lety

      Soup time!

    • @ratsamuraiofficial8092
      @ratsamuraiofficial8092 Před 4 lety +9

      @@melodine707 Uh, no she isn't?

    • @arxsvz8190
      @arxsvz8190 Před 4 lety +5

      @@melodine707 I listen to this on 2x speed and understand her well for the most part captions or not.

  • @robinman3604
    @robinman3604 Před 4 lety +1

    I found this so helpful and as a budding writer that has never taken any kind or writing class I learned a lot. You also confirm and articulate aspects of character development that I already kinda knew which has really boosted my confidence.
    I have now written a pretty detailed 'bio' on my protagonist and can't wait to start their story.
    Thank you.

  • @TimothyNiederriter
    @TimothyNiederriter Před 5 lety

    Wonderful video! This is one of my favorites you've released!

  • @jennyft4055
    @jennyft4055 Před 4 lety +1

    What a brilliant episode! A real goldmine! Thanks Shaelin!

  • @debbierichardson8364
    @debbierichardson8364 Před 3 lety +3

    Absolutely fabulous. I got so much out of this. I had missed so many things out of my character's life such as hobbies. Thanks so much.

  • @juzoheartnet4378
    @juzoheartnet4378 Před 3 lety

    I'm starting to make a story/comic and I was looking for something help me and then I found you're videos and I'm really glad I found them your videos are really amazing and helpful

  • @paulapoetry
    @paulapoetry Před 5 lety +1

    Awesome video, with some great tips and insights. Complex, authentic characters are probably the single most important aspect of any story - for me, personally. Thank you for this. Glad you made it a longer video, as the subject definitely justified it. 😃💝

  • @emmameadows6908
    @emmameadows6908 Před 3 lety +2

    Thanks Shaelin, that was really helpful!! :) I’m really glad I stumbled across your video while researching on how to add more depth to my character.

  • @chelseadanico877
    @chelseadanico877 Před 2 lety +2

    Very great writing advice, I definitely liked it and learned a lot about developing my characters in my book tales of the old West: haunting legends of the superstition ancient mountains I’m writing. I definitely needed this. I haven’t did much character development in my book yet. So this video so definitely helped me out a lot on getting me started with developing my characters.

  • @izstrella
    @izstrella Před 3 lety +1

    The most helpful characters creation video I’ve watched, THANK YOU!

  • @kameronbasseri1953
    @kameronbasseri1953 Před 4 lety +1

    LOVE THIS ! Especially the” dark room “concept extremely fascinating 🤓👍🤓👍

  • @charlienecaise5762
    @charlienecaise5762 Před 2 lety

    Thank you for a great explanation of the dark room. Exactly what I needed to hear.

  • @blackminbeauty
    @blackminbeauty Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you for this, honestly this is the kind of things that I feel like I need to learn about writing. Teachers in school always told me I'm good at it but actually I don't know how to build a story or a character and this is why I'm thinking about taking a writing class (but damn it's so expensive)

  • @sangria-margarita
    @sangria-margarita Před 5 lety +4

    This has helped me so much. Thank you!

  • @barthelemygarceau157
    @barthelemygarceau157 Před 14 dny

    This is clearly a good video. I think it's awesome that you explain this without any sociology context while staying optimistic

  • @Sound0freason
    @Sound0freason Před 3 lety

    this has been so helpful, and reinforcing to my ideas already thank you!

  • @gavasiarobinssson5108
    @gavasiarobinssson5108 Před 3 lety

    Your rambling surprisingly had some gems to offer.

  • @elizabethhiltsfilm
    @elizabethhiltsfilm Před 5 lety

    I’m in the process of creating a main character for a short film for my film class. I was actually having a bit of trouble. Perfect timing, great video!

  • @booktothebecky
    @booktothebecky Před 5 lety

    Loved this video! It's funny, I do improv and so many of these tips and tricks come up in my classes/coaching. Especially your point on specificity rings true for both writing and improv. Being specific about the details takes a basic character (or scene) and automatically makes it interesting. I guess the crossover isn't that surprising, as I'm making up characters/situations when I write and when I do improv. Improv is just more on the spot/in the moment and builds in a different way.

  • @deathpresent101
    @deathpresent101 Před 4 lety

    Just spent an hour taking notes, thanks so much for the important info!

  • @freshlybrewedtruth5600
    @freshlybrewedtruth5600 Před 10 měsíci +1

    This is such a brilliant teaching on developing character. I've heard teachings on the three things like what is the lie you're main character is believing? What do they desire or what is their goal? But I've never heard about specifity and the dark room and particular things that make them different like their perception of the world. SO good! THanks!

  • @carolharris2401
    @carolharris2401 Před 3 lety +1

    This is a very good video. Lots of good ideas on how to kick your characters up a notch. I especially love the dark room idea. Since there was so much good information. I will have to watch it again and take notes.
    Thank you!

  • @ryanratchford2530
    @ryanratchford2530 Před 5 lety +4

    This is such a really well done video with great content that I’m Defintly going to be rewatching making notes

  • @hiyoowihamainza949
    @hiyoowihamainza949 Před 5 lety +14

    This topic is my fixation. Crazy how much I related to your thought process and employment of concepts. This is why first person present tense stream-of-consciousness is where I'm at currently. I want something densely psychological. To really try capture the clutter of the mind.

    • @ShaelinWrites
      @ShaelinWrites  Před 5 lety +2

      Yesssss sounds like my kind of narrative

    • @hiyoowihamainza949
      @hiyoowihamainza949 Před 5 lety

      @@BobMarley-eg3lv I don't know how to receive this question, but yes.

    • @dingoa9595
      @dingoa9595 Před 4 lety +2

      Woo yeah the fun stuff

  • @cephelps6339
    @cephelps6339 Před 4 lety

    EXTREMELY well spoken. Great video 💯✊🏾

  • @eleonorereimer1166
    @eleonorereimer1166 Před 4 lety

    This is the most useful video on writing characters I've ever seen. I'm getting really tired of the "what's your character's favourite food" kind of sheets that are supposed to help you develop your characters. I see that they're questions to think of specifics about them, but I needed this deep understanding that you're describing in this video. So that I can come up with my own relevant questions.
    I'm going to go through this video many, many times to really get all aspects and to get more familiar with each point.
    Thank you for this!

  • @ashirahelat4749
    @ashirahelat4749 Před 2 lety +1

    You are so awesome
    A very real person with great internal depth

  • @emilycaballero6052
    @emilycaballero6052 Před 5 lety +1

    Thanks for posting! This made me think a lot about some characters I was writing about a year ago. I think I'll go back and play with them some more---I especially like the dark room idea.

    • @laurencrouch764
      @laurencrouch764 Před 5 lety

      Hi Emily, I was wondering if you would be interested in being a beta reader for my middle grade fantasy novel? It's about Pepper Poppins, a teen outcast whose quest to prove herself ordinary is derailed when she finds herself torn between protecting her town and keeping a dark secret hidden. If you're interested, please email me at lauren.elyse@live.com.au :)

  • @notyourmorrite
    @notyourmorrite Před 2 lety +1

    Deeply grateful of your work

  • @pinkbookink8589
    @pinkbookink8589 Před 5 lety +5

    I super needed this video rn bc it has motivated me to do another character examination before I start my first draft.