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I increased my average speed by 2 or 3km/h by dropping ~10kg from my belly :)
Are you sure it's the going lightweight part, or are you more aero now? ;-) good for you!
99% of that increase was likely the training you did to lose the weight, not the weight.
Get a dog to chase you, or if you can afford it, a Lion. Ain't nothing that makes you aero and fast as potential death.
Bears, I live in the Laurentians QC Canada, not even grizzly ridden we only have the small black bears.
It'll blew the KOM out of any fatty...
😂😂😂😂
@@LaurentiusTriariustotally agree about bears - you wouldn't want one sniffing after you like you're today's lunch, unless you want to go _fast_
If I’m being chased by a lion, I don’t need to be fast, I just need to be faster than my friends! 😂
@@petertreadway indeed, but I ride alone, so it simplifies my training plan, vis a vis said lion (or bear)
The elephant in the room at GCN is the simple fact that training consistently and properly makes you faster. Not boozing & eating well makes you faster. But that all involves more effort than clicking your mouse and buying some new “pro” gear online.
Exactly I'm one of the fastest guys at work even though I'm on a steel bike cuz all the guys on carbon bikes spend more time drinking than riding 😂
I love that this channel and a few others are really helping cyclists see the reality of the bike industry and the truth about trying to buy speed. Your position on the bike, your fitness, and your sleep and fuel are the most important factors, and they’re all free (well, except fuel, but we all have to eat). Say it with me: It isn’t the bike, it’s never been the bike, it’ll never be the bike.
the bike play a role as well, i am currently riding a vtt as a road bike, im pretty sure that get a road bike could improve my performance
@@j0wUq69r you’re making a ridiculous argument. My point is that an aluminum frame bike with a 105 group set is all you need. The rest of it is the motor.
this mechanic guy is one of the only people I've ever seen truly speak honestly about the industry and some of the parts people are sold. This channel validates my love of Claris + aluminum bikes a little too much though, I keep forgetting to upsell people on the fancy stuff. You're right, it's never been the bike because it's 99% what you ate for breakfast. Crazy how it makes the seat more comfortable.
@@j0wUq69r I see crackheads in my city riding 26" walmart mtbs with no front brake and a flat tire pass dudes in skin suits sometimes. Even if you could see a lot of gain from a better bike, you'll still always get more speed from rest and carbs :) or amphetamines
should i bike shimano tourney for mtb and offroading because i dont have too much money as a student
thanks
Holy Sh!t this channel just keeps raising the bar for providing real info not marketing for the bike industry.
Until the bike industry makes an offer they can't refuse? hmm?🤭🤭🤭
I think your man's mostly right here, but there's a few caveats I want to add regarding groupsets and disc brakes. While they may not in and of themselves offer any sort of weight or aero gains that are noticeable to the average rider, what they do provide is effectiveness and confidence. Disc brakes will not make me faster in a sprint, but on a descent in the wet I will definitely be going a lot slower with rim brakes simply because I'm not as confident in their ability to slow/stop me when I need it. To a lesser extent the same applies to groupsets in that quicker and easier gear changes means less faffing around trying to get into the gear you want.
So in those respects I'd say that actually they might make you a little faster, at least in certain conditions. They're definitely not the best bang-for-buck in terms of aero/power savings, but they're not quite on the same page as ceramicspeed jockeys IMO.
Of course like so many sports, the absolute king of performance gains is simply training and nutrition. What you eat and what you do will have a far bigger impact on your speed than a flash set of deep sections!
I would argue something similar but maybe to a lesser extent with power meters too, because the data from your PM is much more accurate and consistent than using HR, perceived effort or times on repeated routes etc. As there are too many variables. So even if your "training" consists mostly of just riding and hoping for the best you can gat a better picture of what's happening with your progress (or lack of).
Great video! I'd love a counter video, i.e. the best value aero upgrades one can make or which aero upgrades actually make sense to a recreational cyclist.
Power meter is probably the single best investment one can make to getting faster. It’s not rocket science to figure it, or training with it, out.
I think he really glossed over the benefits of spending a little bit of time and money on your drivetrain. You don't have to spend $300/chain but buying a couple of the fastest $50 chain available for your drivetrain, a $12 slow cooker, $20 in wax, some solvent or stripper, and waxing your chains does really pay off.
Ever wonder why it's not done in industrial or other consumer sales areas?
@@stephensaines7100 Because in virtually any other application, the chain is either a) encased in an oil bath b) not exposed to weather or c) nobody cares if they lose a few percent efficiency and/or add a few hundred grams
@@stephensaines7100it's sold to consumers soo yes it's done. Pretty dumb question.
Not so much money, but I did waste 3 days painting a custom stem cap for my fast bike.
Did it have any performance gains? Nope
Did it look awesome? Oh yes
...in which case I wouldn't say "wasted" - perhaps "invested" is a more apt term
never a waste if you enjoyed the upgrade :)
The best way to shave weight off your bike is found in the kitchen ;)
I have just hacked at my bike with a meat cleaver, I have shaved off weight but now it's broke. Cheers 😢
always love the no BS approach you guys have. nice job
Going from a 2016 rim brake climbing bike to a 2024 disc aero bike was a huge upgrade. Not only is the bike way faster on its own, but disc brakes allow me to run a much wider (and more comfortable) tire which reduces fatigue and makes riding more enjoyable, but the big tires and stiffness of thru axles gives me a ton more confidence cornering. And when it comes to hitting those twisty descents, the disc brakes are a HUGE confidence booster especially in non-dry weather.
Just enjoy the ride and stop worrying about your speed unless your racing ;)
I would argue, that having disc brake, especially if you are not a top rider, will definitely make you faster going downhill.
Depends on the hill and wether staying on the road, is important. 🤕
@@renegadeflyer2 Hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa . . . I laughted in 11 speed
It's one of the inherent problems of disc brakes: OVER CONFIDENCE! Makes you take super risks, while worshipping hydraulics!
@@savagepro9060 thats not the brakes fault, and everything equal, you have more control over your bike with better bakes.
I've wasted way too much dinero on very nice tires, over-obsessing about tire rolling resistance. Not like I'm any competitive racer or anything, but the concept of free watts buried deep into my amygdala for some reason and took up residence.
I must say that i change my mindset for the next season from bike to me as a athlete. So im gonna spend money on suplementation, recovery, phisio session etc. This is a upgrade that i need (and i belive many of us need) the most.
Yet another great video. As others have stated, I disagree ref the power meter. I bought one just to get a more accurate guide over Strava’s . Over time I’ve learnt to use it and it’s added a huge improvement to my performance. Ref Over sized Jockey wheels, anyone on a club ride with one fitted is the object of ridicule.
same here. powermeter was my best upgrade
You know, after you got your powermeters, you found out that they were a good move from your experience. If you were to purchase a OSPW, how do you know that you wouldn't have that same exact experience? I have come to find that there are some pretty jealous dudes that ride in group rides. What right do they have to ridicule someone else's bike that they spent their hard earned money on, just like they did? I think I'd find me some new dudes to ride with, or ride by myself, because if they are talking mess about him, they'll talk mess about you, too. As far as the OSPW is concerned, I have one on each of my custom bikes. They shine when spinning uphill, it is like having an extra gear. And as far as looks, compliments non-stop. Don't care what any club riders think. I like seeing the looks on their faces when they cant resist breaking their necks staring at my bike when we pass each other. Original leader, not a follower.
@@DryhumorGuy-1 Calm down , don’t take it personal. These poseurs on my club rides with OSPW are also good friends. Nothing wrong with ribbing someone that has wasted hundreds of pounds on bike bling , exactly the same when I get a ribbing from them for constantly buying various retro carbon winter bikes without mudguards. It’s a bit of fun.
@@Cycling-through-cancer But sir, why do you say "calm down, don't take it personal"? I was simply responding to your comment with what YOU threw out there! You didn't tell us that it was your friends that you were kidding with until AFTER I was trying to stand up for you, you were supposed to tell us that in your comment in the first place....get it together!
Excelente vídeo! Terá parte 2?
That was a very good, common sense, explanation of what not to do@! Thanks...
Bought ceramic bearings in 2008 for a 2006 road bike. Embarrassingly, even a FSA ceramic bearing head set. The BB failed after two years. But that head set is still going strong (as far as I know)!
Recently upgraded from 2011 SL3 Tarmac Pro to a new TCR and the difference in performance is amazing. Still working hard just efforts are rewarded with responsive
now for Jimmy and Francis to teach us about power meter metrics, great video as always that was really interesting
Friend of mine asking where was the section at 3:30 filmed?
Bought a really light (for the time) aluminium wheelset 15 years ago. Constantly snapped spokes. Luckily it came with a bunch of spares 😂 changed to a cheap campa one that had no problems over the next decade. Somehow that fix stayed longer with me than planed
Assuming nothing else with the wheelset is wrong part-wise, it's probably built wrong. Well-built wheels won't keep breaking spokes due to even spoke tension and without forgoing the tension limits.
@@yonglingng5640 I was probably above the weight limit. Back than some wheels had 80kg as a maximum system weight 🤷♂️
Those large jockey wheel upgrades just make you look like a fool; I wouldn't be seen on a bike with that nonsense.
Great video, you can save a packet and go just as fast as others by ignoring the consumerism of cycling. Just ride and enjoy your bike.😀
Please challenge me, how on earth can more arrow even be a factor when we have our bodies dragging at the highest point? Sorry but all I can think about is a sailboat and being against the wind. That's an exaggeration but I figured it would help simplify my point.
The riders body may be the "highest point" but its not the most forward point. The idea of an aero bike is to "split" the air In front and channel it around/over you (obviously a very over simplified explanation). Its also worth remembering that at speeds over 10 mph (16 kph), aerodynamic drag becomes the dominant force of resistance, so even though the rider makes up 70-80% of that drag that's still 20-30% the bike is responsible for and its worth trying to reduce, couple that with the more aggressive position an Aero bike is designed to be ridden in and the "gains" out shine anything that can be achieved elsewhere on the bike (with the exception of the riders strength, fitness and skill). If this was all or mostly marketing bunk as some seem to think TT bikes would not exist, or they would but they would be no faster than a road bike with the same gearing.
@@chris1275cc I love bikes. The aerodynamics I'm not sold on at all. In my opinion it is about the most pointless resolved component. Even a tubular design would have a strong argument. We are talking about a difference of inches honestly. I feel like every other component is more important than the aerodynamics.
@@nuancedliars112 I don't understand what you mean by not being "sold on" it. Aerodynamic drag is just a fact not just in the cycling world it applies to anything that moves through an atmosphere. Round tubes are TERRIBLE form an aero point of view BTW this has been know for a long time and not just from the cycling world. What is it about heavier TT/Tri bikes that makes them faster than their road counterparts if not Aerodynamics?
A really good one! I will test as soon as I can if the right gearing can help. But I am talking of an other cassette with the same groupset (I really don't like the 13-28 7-speed cassette on my hybrid and want to swap from a 11-30 to 11-28 9-speed on my roadbike.
Yeah this for straight line speed but in TT's, crits and road race all these things will help especially the higher level you go
I ride a standard round tube titanium bike. After watching many CZcams videos, I was then converted to Aero is best! So, me being me, I upgraded to aero carbon wheels and aero bars and shaved a little weight. Unfortunately, once completed, my rides reduced only getting 700 miles under my belt, but my AVG speed increased by 1.5mph. Can aero be that beneficial?!
I really enjoyed this. Xavier is nice to listen to.
Specialized appears to be getting out of the Tri/TT bike market (i.e. the Shiv line). What is health of the Tri/TT market? Is this type of bike becoming an even more niche product?
So basically just avoid everything GCN recommends!
yes and to be faster go by car:)
Im so glad he poured cold water on the whole preoccupation with weight, as well as the most expensive groupsets & gadgets. *Get a **_bike fit'_*_ & then _ride_ your bike.
Great add to many questions I had.
I invest a little to my bike not for speed -but to go further without muscle cramps. My trips are in the mountains and after some time I am not able to ride after big effort during uphill.
After changing wheels for carbon and slick tyres and some weight reduction my the degree of fatigue is much lower at the same point on the route. The speed is not my goal - the most important are pleasure of driving, admiring the views and being tired, not physically exhausted what is good for health. Sometimes heart attacks happen - too much effort can kill you.
Disc brakes allow wider tires. That increases comfort and sometimes speed, depending on road conditions.
This. No rim brakes fit tyres (well, maybe except for ee) that are sufficiently wide for real world. Even Pogacar is now on 32 mm (factual width) tyres
Yeah, EE's fit 30-32mm if your frame can take it. More than enough for riding on a paved road. Were they worth the money? Idk, but certainly cheaper then a new disc brake bike and they look better too :)
Pog's 32s are on a disc brake bike @@dropbaran
@@erich8258 I know that. What I meant was that even pros who race on good tarmac now ride 30+ for speed - and for bad roads even wider is faster (and more comfortable)
Bike manufacture said wide tires not aero years ago, at the time, all road bikes are rim brakes and majority is 23c or even thinner. Most rim brakes framesets and wheelsets only supported up to 25c.
Today, Almost all new high-end road bikes are disk brakes that support 28c+. In my opinion, general speaking, stuartdryer is not wrong from this point of view
Would be awesome to see his top 10 recommendations!
Just get a gravel bike. Put skinnier tiers on it if you want. They work really good and are sooooo comfy. I got a felt AR advance. And i absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE it. But more often than not, i reach for my giant revolt advance 0. Damn near just as fast and vastly more comfortable. That being said, if i had to pick just one, it would be the felt?
I loved the video! tyvm
A great knowledgeable guy!
Very interesting indeed .. and I guess a great takeway, which we should all know, is keep your drive train clean and in great working order 🙌
More Xavier please! 🎉
For my slow a^s... aero is a waste of money :)
Also I dont care much about weight. < 10kg and Iam fine.
But regarding the brakes ... since I have a few km in the city until I get to "open roads" I really want that additional stopping power.
Would be interesting to see if a stronger and more controllable brake will give u advantage in an race since you probably can brake later into a downhill corner?
Yeah, I'd agree disc brakes speed you up as you have more confidence downhill (exponentially if its wet)
The problem in race is when in group your braking distance is shorter than guys behind you 😅
Exactly my point. Disc brakes will make you faster. Obv not on a closed, flat TT course but for us mortals who ride through cities and villages that extra braking performance gives me the confidence to ride as usual and still be able to brake in time if anything happens.
Also rim brakes come with all these pesky external cables that are so frowned upon these days :rolleyes:
The weight thing is common to motorcyclists too... You can visit a biker cafe, and spot a £20k Ducati, with another £10k of lightweight add ons, like chain guards, huggers etc... And then the owner wanders out, and he's clearly eaten all the pies... he could have saved so much money by not buying the carbon stuff, and just eating fewer pies!
I can't agree on all the points, especially about bearings. I should know, I have worked for a major bearing manufacturer for more than 15 years as an engineer.
Gosh darn it, stop ignoring downhill braking in the wet. You completely glossed over that fact.
I've crashed a couple of times due to wet rim brakes. Disc brakes simply do not have the same issue.
I think power meters are useful even for those of us that don't do formal training as they are a better indicator of effort than heart rate is and allow you to make sure you don't over exert yourself when climbing, riding into a head wind, or just going on a very long ride. I don't do training or ride competitively but I find the power meters on my bikes are useful for all of those things, and as such don't consider them to be a waste of money at all.
How do you test/set yours zones?
So many people need to see this. #makecyclingaffordableagain
Goretex cables on my 105 groupset: minimal friction rim braking and snickety gear shift….batteries not required
Great video! Jimmies guy though
Those Ceramicspeed derailleur pulleys are infuriatingly expensive!
Valid point, but he said nothing about the durability of ceramic versus steel bearings. One thing I noticed is the Enduro bearings weren't rusting. As to chains, you can "upgrade" to your manufacturer's top of the line chain and not spend a lot of money. Buying a pre-waxed 400 dollar chain is a waste unless you are racing it and you know what you are doing.
But one thing is buying aero is a tremendous waste of money if you aren't. Get a good quality bicycle that can accept upgrades and you are good to go as you grow into the sport.
After hmmmm.... 40 years (damn) without power meters, I decided to get me a pair of (flat!) SRM pedals on my current MTB. Just out of curiosity what I'm pushing. (not much it turns out. :D)
In reality: I find them utterly distracting and entirely killing my ride. I constantly worry about having a lower watt average than the ride before etc, my heartrate zones are entirely out of whack because of it. I discovered that is not why I ride. So I guess that was a lesson learned and now I know. Did not help that they stopped working twice within a year. SRM did handle it nicely no problems there. *Why in the pedals and not in the cranks: Pinion gearbox has proprietary arms so it is not an option.
I had a similar realization; I use my power meter during training, but during proper rides, I use a main screen on my head unit that doesn't show my power. Just my speed, heart rate, and cadence.
I gotta see the rest of the footage associated with that bearing test
Quality matters. Quality alloy components are superior to no-name carbon of dubious origin. 🤨
Disc brakes might be overrated in London, but they are not overrated anywhere that has elevation, bad pavement surfaces, tricky traffic situations, etc... Disc brakes have stopped me from being in some pretty serious accidents when someone turns out in front of you, pops their door open, left right/hooks. In an aero sense, might be deficient, but for every day utility and performance, I would personally never want to go back to non-disc...
After watching this video, I‘d like to know who produces bottom brackets with high quality steel bearings
Thanks for criticizing disk brakes!
Pleased to say I haven't fallen for any of that hype.
I always thought the oversized jockey wheel was about chain efficiency and allowing you to lengthen the durability of your chain and its lifecycle. Am I wrong on this one ?
Unfortunately no. Chain wax do much better job at that.
If it saves 1w through less chain wear but you're putting at least 100w through each pedal stroke I can't see it improving chain wear by more than 1%. Spending 100s to get an extra couple of km out of chains that costs 30 isn't going to be cheaper within the lifespan of your bike.
They're for the marginal gains crew only, where that 1w might be the difference between winning a race or placing second.
The experience I get from my OSPW is that it is a weapon to have for uphill spinning. For me, it is like having an extra gear.
I bought a new cyclocross bike last year that turned out to be slower than either my pretty elderly Ti touring bike and the 2008 canti braked battered Focus ..
Im racing on a 1950s 3 speed next week, hah... proper stuff.
Cycling regret: spending $650 resto modding a 14.5kg 1970s frame that didn't fit me vs just buying a 9-12kg Triband or a rim brake Motobecane? Especially as a longer stem or narrower bar is way cheaper considering it would still have been lighter as well by 1-2kg. I love my bike, but I did not think it out as best as I could have. Either way, if any one has a 50-52cm frame with 126mm drop outs, hit me up xD
Want to be faster? Ride with slower mates!
What if you can’t find slower mates….? Asking for a friend.
@@enigma1000 that's a real enigma or else you are the SLOWEST thing in your village . . .! Telling a friend of a friend
Is a waste of you love them? Deep section wheels are chef's kiss
1,849 for a jockey wheel 😂😂😂😂😂 what is happening?
Absolute Crap 🤣
Great video, once again. Have I bought any of those upgrades........no. I wish that I had the money to be able to,..............then I would spend it on other more sensible items, not always bike stuff. I judge the performance of my bikes on my 'grin factor'.😉
Well that was unexpected but quite sensible. The guy is basically saying that if you're not making money from riding your bike (or get the parts for free) you won't be able to feel any 'marginal gains'. Which is why I still use wet lube, clean my drivetrain at least once a week and replace my chain sooner rather than getting involved with waxing.
What does he mean by not understanding a power meter? I understand that he might be implying that you should use a power meter primarily to structure your training but it is also an important metric so measure your fitness. How else would you measure it? By doing the same loop in the exactly same conditions and measure the heart rate?
The best thing I bought for my bike was a travel case. Taking my bike on vacation is worth 10x a 0.5% decrease in effort / increase in speed.
The dangly balls from the saddle added Sweet Fanny Adams aerodynamically. I can't tell you how pissed I am about this.
Disk Brakes won't make me faster, but I trust them more. And who brakes later stays fast longer.
powermeter pedals where the best upgrade i made on the bike
disc brakes don't make you faster, unless it's a cyclocross race!
Everything GCN is glorifying, Aerocoach thinks is useless!
Now, now. Aerocoach didn't say *anything* about hookless tyres.
Hahaaaaaaa@@urouroniwa
Some good advice, cheers ... but if you can brake better, you will be faster, so don't agree with disc brakes being on this list
For me was arguably this endurance frame.
After a few bike fits I’ve now found myself slamming my stem.
good day!
Love the expert (honest) opinion.
Kinda disagree on the last one. When you get a powermeter usually you learn how to use it, well by using it.
same. if the whole logic in this video is you can't buy speed, then why group a power meter with ceramic jockeys. He had to provide all these caveats. No one in their right mind is just slapping a power meter on...or I hope so. It's for structured training. training with a power meter IS how so many of us BUILD speed now (along with nutrition, sleep, etc etc)
Get this expert please something to eat. If the wind is getting to strong, I'm afraid, we could lose him forever 😉😂😂‼️
You seriously gonna post this and ruin everyone's Christmas list? 🤣
disc brakes make you faster, since you brake late on corners, vs with rim brakes when you brake earlier
MANY ppl should watch this
kudos
Carbon bottle cages have to be up there.
Ceramic bearings aren't home wrencher friendly, keep preaching it my dude we don't hear that often enough, I've seen horrors 💀
Like these guest app, bring back bike fit James plz too
You've got enough money to afford Dura-Ace, CeramicSpeed etc? Then you can afford to work one day less per week, and use it to train harder.
Very nicely put. I'm surprised I've never seen anybody point this out even though it is obviously true in hindsight.
What do you call money wasted on speed gadgets? -->> Aero Dinero!
I hope you didn't waste any money on having him in your video!
Love it when an expert consultant for a manufacturer tells you to not buy something if you don’t need it.
Well, he is saying not to buy certain things for certain reasons, which unfortunately, I think is going to Confuse a lot of people if they are new to the world of cycling.......for example: not to buy disc brakes for speed? We all know that we wouldn't buy disc brakes for speed.....why is that even his topic for discussion? Besides disc brakes are way more advanced and reliable than rim brakes....this is what he should be talking about if anything!
So...replace your chain regularly and ride the bike you've already got. OK , got it.
...and get a bike fit
Thanks Francis , Xavier , and Dieter by proxy ....he said it !
This is fine. Think it'll be great the other way around. Aero Expert 10 most recommended Upgrades for your bike
No chapters?
Awesome video. It's great to hear someone who knows and who isn't selling the Kool-aid.
I feel validated in my buy cheap chains and replace often policy. £20 a couple of times a year isn’t terrible!
Well that was a super positive video……….. don’t buy this don’t buy that. I’d love to see what the 10 best upgrades might be.
I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars on bikes and bike parts and 99% of the reason has been that "it looks cool" or "feels cool" :)
And I think that's totally fine! I ride 12 hrs / wk and it's a huge part of my life and mental health. I'm ok looking like a tool with my ceramicspeed ospw 🤣
So are you saying that your OSPW just "looks cool" and has no mechanical effect on your riding?
@@DryhumorGuy-1Yep. I think the difference is so low it's negligible. Like less than a watt.
@@8rk wait a minute....do you actually have one of these on your bike? If so, can you please describe what it feels like when you are using it?
@@DryhumorGuy-1 It doesn't feel smoother, easier, whatever people who buy it and have to justify the purchase will tell you. While you're riding, it's exactly like the stock dura ace cage to me. Sure on bike stand, while turning the pedal with your hand it feels smoother. But that's like what? half a watt?
@@8rk interesting. Maybe you didn't get a quality one? Did you get it from Ali Express?