Menasseh ben Israel of Amsterdam and the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel
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- čas přidán 6. 03. 2021
- Brief look at an interesting moment in Amsterdam's rich Jewish history, in preparation for the Kosher River Cruise tour later this summer.
Recommended Reading: Steven Nadler, Menasseh ben Israel: Rabbi of Amsterdam (Yale, 2018). yalebooks.yale.edu/book/97803...
Hope of Israel text online: olivercowdery.com/texts/1650ho...
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Once again your brief teachings have given me another rabbit hole ( which is a good thing intellectually ), thank you. I hate to admit this but this is the very first time I have ever heard of Kosher River tours!
KRC is great.
Thank you, Professor for your fascinating lecture, as you have us used to. Dutch Jewry touches me intimately as my grandad was a Dutch Jew who came to the Netherland Antilles and North Venezuela (Coro) where my father was born. Coro has one of the oldest, if not the oldest, sinagogue in South America.
Glad you found it useful
Dr. Henry Abramson, really i respect you , & i love what you provide.
I'm from saudi arabia, and you know there is a great history between Muslims and Jewish more than 1200 years .
And the Arabian Peninsula received Prophet Moses (pbuh) and his followers .
I believe the arabs nations & Jewish are close to each other but politics doesn't help .
Sometimes i got feelings the European And extremist groups put traps between us , honestly i don't know why.
I hope to see the Jewish Historical Library in Arabic language.
Anyway excuse my language doesn't have much vocabulary.
Have a nice day , Peace .
Thank you for the kind words!
Arab media is owned by vassals of the West and it is used to prevent peace. There's nothing in it for them if science and energy find themselves on the same side.
Thank you Dr Abramson!
Welcome!
What is the program for the cruise to Amsterdam?
kosherrivercruise.com/
ישר כח , תודה רבה! ברכות מארץ ישראל .
תודה רבה!
keep safe henry and i hope ill feel better soon
Be well
Shalom Dr Abramson, the TaNaKh describes reasons for the dispersal of the Northern, and Southern kingdoms, but I won't go into that here, my given 1st name is due to a fact surrounding the time of my birth, my dad was a long distance lorry driver at that time, and happened to break down in a town in North East of England named Clay Cross, he didn't like popular English boy's names, and decided to give me that name, he wasn't a religious man, but simply liked the name, It caused many problems at school for me, with teachers and fellow pupils, you can imagine the terms used like mud or plasticine, to name two, there were many including the same treatment of my surname, as I tended to want to look through the windows at the sky, as it was more interesting than what the teacher was talking about, I was moved away from the window. Now I look back at those times and smile. With comments like "Are you with us Withers?". Although I will say I often lived in the world of my imagination.
But getting back to the present situation, I wonder if we will be out of our present place we are in within the forseeable future, or will there be another strain. Purely speculation on my part some might think, or even say. But you know those feelings you get, some say gut feeling, or other synonyms to descibe such feelings, however let us hope that it does pass, and folk can get back to relatively normal life once again, though given the pollution factor, there needs to be some serious thinking about this long term.
You're looking very well, and this video attracted my attention concerning the "lost of the House of Israel"; or Ephraim as it was also known.
Lehitraot.
Interesting comment.
What is your opinion on the idea that several of the ten lost tribes have been found living in rural parts of central Asia?
More for the text version.
i would also quickly mentioned that the ten lost tribes where taken captive by the assyrian king sargon the father of the militant warrior seneacherib who tried to take jerusalem in 701bc 689bc bye
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Will there be a Jewish History Lab discussion regarding the Jews of central Asia?
Working on it
Mr.Abramson i wanna ask . in jewish religion . If they know or they have the reincarnation theory .?
Yes
Here in the UK Menassah ben Israel is only associated with the establishment of a Sephardi community in England. Once that was achieved Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe also came. This predated the big Jewish influx in the 19th and 20th centuries.
I know this because the Welsh side of my family were here before the other side of my family immigrated from the Pale of Settlement in the 1880s.
The overwhelming majority of all Jewish migration headed west rather than to Eretz Yisrael.
Interesting
I don't think things are going to go back to normal. They have been telling us this is the new normal.
Interesting article.
I'm wondering if you know anything about the Phonetians, possibly being part of the Northern tribes?
Here in US we have several ancient sights that have the 10 commandment in ancient Hebrew script. They have been examined and authenticated.
Not really aware of this topic.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD thank you anyway. I thought I'd ask. It doesn't hurt. I ask because I found a Historical article on line a few months ago that said the Phoenicians were a semitic speaking ancient "Canaanite like" people.
Dear Dr. Will you spend some time in Antwerp.
Maybe for a Shabbat. You’re more than welcome .
Thank you
If Jews ended up all over Europe after 70ad wouldn’t it be most probable that the Ten lost tribes proceeded them on a similar journey? Also I believe it states in the the NT book of James something about the tribes waring against each other. Do we know where James was proselytizing? Might give a clue to where at least a few of the Tribes were during the first century. Also if we know of a list of known wars occurring during that first century might help in that region where he was would help as well.
So for the record, is this supposed account considered authentic?
Thank you Dr Abramson please turkish subtitle
You are welcome.
I laughed so hard when I saw the chopsticks show up, great video!
Glad you enjoyed!
There is some Semitic mtDNA in the Americas although A and B are not really a signature of Jewish mtDNA. I find it hard to believe the story about Ruben on the other side of the river. 😃
Yup
I noticed a group in Puerto Rico called Menassah ben israel. I was very curious about this and would like to know more because my jewish Mother's DNA unexpectedly had Iberian, Puerto Rican, Columbian, Peruvian and i am trying to piece this information together as well as 1.7 percent Chinese and Sri Lankan. I am beginning to think Jews were explorers and merchants on the Silk road.
Ty, very good info🕇🕊🕯
Glad you enjoyed it!
It is interesting that the diaspora introduced the Hebrew people and their faith to the world, some of us read Micah 4 and Isaiah 2 and would love to see the two prophets proven to be accurate' Shema Israel.
Hmm
Greetings from Paris dear Rabbi
Not a Rabbi, just a regular guy, but greetings back.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD still, excellent conferences, thanks
Rabbis are regular guys too. Except for the ones who are women, or non-binary (-;
Obrigado
De nada
I've long been astonished after learning about colonies of Jews living in Japan, China, Burma, India, etc., for centuries. Obviously, not all Jews returned to Palestine from their Assyrian and Babylonian exiles. Some did follow the Horace Greeley maxim, but the majority seemed to either stay put or to strike out in different directions. The Acts of the Apostles in the New Testament documents some of the Jewish settlements outside of Palestine in the First Century.
Yes, I'm frequently amazed as well.
Great teaching Prof Abramson. Thank you! a funny joke too.
Glad you liked it!
R’ Menashe Ben Yisrael’s argument was to argue the case to the Protestant Cromwell , that according to scripture the Jews must be scattered to all four corners of the world.
Excluding Jews from The British isles would leave one corner of the world void of the Jews which would hinder the final redemption.
He actually died before he can see his efforts paid off . His body was brought back to Amsterdam were he lays in the Sephardic cemetery.
wesley8173 curious which translation you’re using.וזרעו יהיה מלא גוים.
The English were the first to expel their Jews .
After slaughtering them in Clifford tower in York , pogroms in london. And taxing them to paupers, the Jews were actually relieved for being allowed to leave with barely the clothes on their back.
wesley8173 interesting , although I checked that translation and it reads a “multitude of nations”.
The following translation is based on midrash.
You see the word מלא means literally full[ness].
“But his father refused, and he said, "I know, my son, I know; he too will become a people, and he too will be great. But his younger brother will be greater than he, and his children['s fame] will fill the nations."
ידעתי בני ידעתי I KNOW IT, MY SON, I KNOW that he is the first-born.
גם הוא יהיה לעם וגם הוא יגדל HE ALSO SHALL BECOME A PEOPLE, AND HE ALSO SHALL BE GREAT, for of him will be born Gideon through whom the Holy One, blessed be He, will perform a miracle.
ואולם אחיו הקטן יגדל ממנו BUT TRULY HIS YOUNGER BROTHER SHALL BE GREATER THAN HE - for of him will be born Joshua who will make Israel inherit the land of Canaan and will instruct them in the Torah
וזרעו יהיה מלא הגוים AND HIS SEED SHALL BECOME A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS (more lit, shall fill the nations) - the fame and renown of his seed, Joshua, will spread abroad and fill the whole world when he will make the sun stand still upon Gibeon and the moon in the valley of Aijalon (Rash”I).
Interestingly, when numbering the males over 20 who entered the Holy Land, the members of the tribe of Menashe outnumbered those of Ephrayim by 52.700 to 32.500. (Numbers 26,34-36.) If we keep this in mind we may have to redefine the meaning of the word יגדל when used by Yaakov not as referring to numerical strength, but as referring to the great men produced by each of these tribes and the relative importance of these men. We know that Moses’ successor, Joshua, was from the tribe of Ephrayim. He was a great saviour, and conquered the land of Canaan enabling the promise of G’d to the patriarchs to finally become realised. The tribe of Ephrayim also provided the first king of the 10 tribes who had split away from Solomon’s son Rechavam after the death of Solomon. Furthermore, throughout the history of the Jewish people until the destruction of the first Temple the political rivalry between Ephrayim and Yehudah is well documented, whereas hardly ever is Menashe mentioned as playing a major part in this. When the prophet Isaiah prophesied an idyllic future, he described this as being characterised by the end of the rivalry between Ephrayim and Yehudah. (Isaiah 11,13). (Radak )
12And He shall raise a banner to the nations, and He shall gather the lost of Israel, and the scattered ones of Judah He shall gather from the four corners of the earth.
(Isaiah 11:12)
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The more famous version of this is a heresy called British Israelitism. I read that many Jews didn’t go back to Israel when the time came but they stayed in the lands where they were and were the developers of irrigation and trade, and so blessed thos countries. I met people of Iraqi Jewish decent in Hong Kong and China, I even managed to get to Kaifeng in the 80s.
Interesting comment.
You just couldn't refuse the chinese food picture : )
Incorrigible.
Excellent lecture.
Thanks!
Sooo they found Hebrew writings in places in the U.S.🤷♀️
Hope you found the video useful
@Jeff Rutt archeologist date those findings to pre columbian dates,
Is there a (scholarly) consensus regarding the tribes that Aaron Levy found in Ecuador? Is his account to Rabbi Menashe considered authentic and trustworthy?
(BTW, there's a story currently being serialized in _Hamodia_ that seems to accept the premise that some South American tribes have a relationship to Judaism.)
My understanding is that the scholarly consensus is primarily in the negative.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD Meaning they are skeptical as to the veracity of his claims (i.e. he may have been lying)? Or that there's a much simpler explanation, perhaps a settlement of _Anusim_ that influenced an indigenous tribe?
Lets face reality the ten tribes have gone into history along with the Khazars.
Many would agree.
8:07 🤣😂
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My Dna reveals 80 percent of my families dna are from Cordoba spain before exile to the new world
Interesting
LOL. You love your Chinese food. Anyways, good lecture. Thank you.
Thank you too!
شالوم بر شما مقدس خداوند
و به شما
Today many lost tribes are in Afghanistan.
Sources are helpful.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD Check out Simcha Jacobovici's documentaries on his search for the lost tribes. Plus there was an organisation in Israel called "Eliyashiv" run by a Rav (I forgot his name, yet he has since passed away) who worked closely w/Michael Freund, founder of www.shavei.org who also travelled to Afghanistan and did see for himself.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD PS: The Pashtun peoples --- many of whom live in remote parts of Afghanistan are very cognizant of their origins. Although they are by no means Jewish according to halacha, they are most probably "zera Yisrael". Many men wear 4 cornered garments with somethings resembling tzitzit attached to them, have Hebrew-sounding tribal names (the tribe of Rabbani, Asser, Gad, etc) and the list goes on. Fascinating stuff. Too bad that many are now proud members of the Taliban. Oh, well...
@@TheRanaro When I worked in Dubai I had a Pakistani gentleman (either from Lahore or Peshawar) working for me and he once confided in me that his ancestors were Jewish and had converted to Islam several generations ago (possibly great-grandparents). We had this conversation after I returned from a vacation in Israel and he wanted to know more about it. He was a very level-headed individual and we regularly had discussions on a range of topics, so I have no doubt that he believed his conversion story was true.
@@jjquinn2004 Very brilliant and fascinating. Indeed -- very very possible. There are lost tribes in India and many could've made their way into Pakistan over the centuries. No doubt that many of these people are very cognizant of these family legends.
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Ha! Great joke for a excellent lecture. 👍
Glad you liked it!
King Jesus returning back to reign has got nothing to do with the condition of the Jews.
Hmm
@@HenryAbramsonPhD Have u had a chance to read J.Wrede, Messianic Secret,1901? (My )now local Chief Pastor, cardinal, and bishop of one big City in N.America does no know it for sure though he should -extra scandalous! Shalom, avoid a Red District in Amsterdam
This is just going to simply what is being mixed with lies and truth. So first, the nation of Yasharahl by the lineage of Abraham Isaac and Jacob were all dark skin people genetically and all the ancient lineages as well. Two, the reason why you find artifacts of Mesopotamia in the Americas is because the lineages of the 3 sons of Noah originated in the Americas, the Decalogue in Tennessee and the copper stone in Michigan were found written in indo-Canaanite Hebrew, and Michigan has the most abundant of copper found on earth, also Illinois has been found with Punic-Phoenician script and also Roman script in Burrows cave in southern Illinois. Three, the Torah does not mention nothing about my no Judaic, no Rabbi nor any other fake convergence of terms except HEBREW, if you not a Hebrew Israelite you’re not the children of the book. Abraham is Hebrew and so are ALL his descendants. The indigenous people that were in the Americas were all darkskin people and so were the Spanish Inquisition due do SPAIN and EUROPE being influenced by MOORS for over 711 years from Visigoth. All these Kabbalist terms being placed on my ancestors identity need to go bye bye respectfully.
Great Joke!
Thanks as always, Charles!
How could 10 Tribes of entire people disappear from the face of the earth ? No, sir, we are still here. I’m sure of it.
Judah,Benjamin,and levi are blacks in the u.s they sleep right now but when they awakening😣
Where are your referances?
Well, they are certainly on CZcams.
Mormonism confirmed!
No
Hmm