Lessons from My Ethical Non-Monogamous Household | Luna Martinez | TEDxCSU

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  • čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
  • Relationships are one of the intricate, necessary, and beautiful (sometimes painful) parts of the human experience. A less traditional parenthood among several other factors shaped the outlook of our speaker. We’ll hear the personal narrative of how ethical non-monogamy might be right for you, but that might not always be the case. Luna This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx

Komentáře • 151

  • @eu4iceuforic82
    @eu4iceuforic82 Před rokem +46

    Loved the acknowledgment that there is so much more to life than rushing into “perfection” before being “too old.” You’re never too old to fall in love again and re-invent yourself. These rules don’t work for everyone and it takes intelligence to think independently and create your own rules. It’s about choice.

  • @lotus8395
    @lotus8395 Před 3 lety +46

    I’m grateful you had the parents you did

  • @nirjaldhungana9761
    @nirjaldhungana9761 Před 3 lety +187

    Monogamy shall be a matter of choice, not compulsion.

    • @omprakashbiswas3254
      @omprakashbiswas3254 Před 2 lety +24

      I would tell the opposite.
      Polygamy should be a choice, not the norm

    • @nirjaldhungana9761
      @nirjaldhungana9761 Před 2 lety +8

      @@omprakashbiswas3254 Totally agreed!

    • @kbanghart
      @kbanghart Před 2 lety +18

      @@omprakashbiswas3254 that's not really the opposite though, is it? I mean, non monogamy doesn't always equal polygamy.

    • @keithklassen5320
      @keithklassen5320 Před 2 lety +9

      @@omprakashbiswas3254 That's not the opposite at all.

    • @ASH-bb4sg
      @ASH-bb4sg Před rokem

      well ofc its a choice, everything is a choice. but most of time not not advisable bcz its not that good of a choice.

  • @annahappen7036
    @annahappen7036 Před 2 lety +151

    Great hearing from a child of a non-monogamous household. Polys need more visibility. 🙌

    • @gigifabozzi5433
      @gigifabozzi5433 Před 2 lety +21

      Without monogamy society can't exist

    • @schnuffchen0102
      @schnuffchen0102 Před 2 lety +11

      @@gigifabozzi5433 Lol, that's obviously not true 😂

    • @gigifabozzi5433
      @gigifabozzi5433 Před 2 lety +5

      @@schnuffchen0102 there is no society that was able to thrive without monogamy. Birth rates are collapsing if you want to use current society as an example, if the trend continues we will go extinct.

    • @antoinethename9064
      @antoinethename9064 Před 2 lety +4

      @@gigifabozzi5433 good.

    • @ugleebuggs7597
      @ugleebuggs7597 Před 2 lety +25

      @Anna Happen. No, poly-relationships do not need more visibility. Let’s not normalise this. 🤦🏻‍♀️😅

  • @drewl
    @drewl Před 2 lety +148

    I say it all the time. There cannot be only one “the one” in a world of 8 billion people. Love can be abundant and boundless.

    • @nyterpfan
      @nyterpfan Před rokem +2

      Agree 100% (And the world would be a much happier and joyful place if we didn't put such "boundaries" on love!!)

    • @Despin7a77
      @Despin7a77 Před rokem +8

      there’s no limits to love. but monogamy and polyamory in especially romantic relationships can definitely be a conscious choice in allignment w each individual

    • @GT-vi6xj
      @GT-vi6xj Před rokem

      ​@@nyterpfan 0:30 i

    • @bat1579
      @bat1579 Před 9 dny +1

      Thats not love, thats horniness

  • @nbucwa6621
    @nbucwa6621 Před 3 lety +93

    Great to non-monog families coming more in to the light and being open about their experiences around it.

  • @babicady2035
    @babicady2035 Před 10 měsíci +7

    Thanks so much for sharing your experiences and resources, great job!

  • @paulrigney540
    @paulrigney540 Před rokem +15

    Interesting perspective She showed lots of courage to be so honest. Never really considered the poly amorous life style.

  • @joyell5410
    @joyell5410 Před 3 lety +63

    This was fantastic. You’re very intelligent, passionate and a powerful speaker.

  • @katiemckie4624
    @katiemckie4624 Před 3 lety +14

    Great talk!

  • @spiritzweispirit1st638
    @spiritzweispirit1st638 Před 3 lety +17

    Fully Support! Great Presentation!Blessings Always!🌈🌎🌍🌏🌌

  • @jessiejamesleano4019
    @jessiejamesleano4019 Před 3 lety +10

    Great idea and nice talk. Im not looking at how you perform and how about you talk. I think you will get more better and for me also when you do it consistently . However im looking and listening on what you are speaking of and its great ,love it thanks

  • @tashawaters89
    @tashawaters89 Před 2 lety +2

    Bravo

  • @azharulquadriofficial6507

    Good working TEdx talk but you should broadcast video with subtitles.

  • @Will-yk6qr
    @Will-yk6qr Před měsícem +4

    I am of the belief that a person has MANY soulmates throughout their life. None more significant of meaningful than others, all with their own grace and charm along with ups and downs. Each soulmate comes into a person's life for a season and for a purpose. Not all soulmates are romantic either. Some people were simply meant to be in your life. ❤❤❤

  • @preciousmousse
    @preciousmousse Před rokem +8

    Interesting. I've been brought up in a way that didn't make marriage seem like the center of existence and I've been comfortably single and also feel comfortable about marrying monogamously as now I am almost 30. From my perspective polyamory is a sort of reaction to a feeling of obligation to have a relationship where freedom is found through going from one relationship to more. Personally I've always found freedom in pursuing passions that don't require relationships (arts).

  • @lotus8395
    @lotus8395 Před 3 lety +3

    I love this

  • @ahmedismael6970
    @ahmedismael6970 Před rokem +1

    I have one question about monogamy
    It is which is a great numbers among femal &male in z world?

  • @kookle658
    @kookle658 Před 2 měsíci +9

    So she sleeps with multiple people to avoid getting hurt and disappointed got it

  • @SerenEnfys
    @SerenEnfys Před 2 lety +39

    I hate to be the 70th commenter lol but it's just so sad and pitiful that so many commenters here clearly know nothing about ENM.
    Clearly none of you know of the tribes and societies that have existed for thousands of years with poly being a core value in their lives, and has in fact, strengthened their chances of survival.
    Clearly the talker has issues that need to be self-investigated and ironed out, and maybe ENM (ethical being everyone involved has consented and is comfortable and happy - why can't people accept this I don't know...) is a helpful tool for getting on the healthiest path for _their_ life; not yours, theirs! Which, NONE of us have a right to tell them how that should look or how they should do it because none of us know what is best for them as we have not lived their life.
    It's very clear that the people crying that poly being "unnatural", (which you can't truly believe yourselves when HALF of marriages , the ultimate monogamous goal, end in divorce...) have issues controlling and differentiating their emotions and biases with facts and information. If you're not even here to learn about what ENM can look like, then you're just here cause you like the sound of your own voice and want to make your self feel better about your life choices through the act of projection.
    You see how the bio says, "personal narrative", yeah, that says everything you need to know about how this video should be taken, yet you've got your knickers in a twist because it goes against what Disney films have taught you and what society expects from you.
    I hope you all have wonderful relationships throughout your lives, I really do, but so far in my life I have only met polyamorous people who are consciously working on becoming responsible and accountable partners, be that in jealousy or how one conducts relationships in general.
    Monogamous people have a lot to learn about self-reflection when it comes in comparison to poly people.

    • @absolutelyfookinnobody2843
      @absolutelyfookinnobody2843 Před rokem +1

      It's funny how so many people give their opinion acting like they know what they are saying

    • @cesruhf2605
      @cesruhf2605 Před 4 měsíci +2

      "poly being a core value in their lives, and has in fact, strengthened their chances of survival." nah bro they just do what they want and move on with their day. no one who was polygamous think polygamy is a "core value"

  • @TheSecretCultivator
    @TheSecretCultivator Před rokem +14

    as a completely open minded person this was probably the least profound TEDx talk ive watched and ive seen a lot... I respect her position but this is heavily biased and less informative than the podcasts she "cited" (the citations were.... what). I understand this was "lesson I learned", Its just not I came to learn from TEDx about. I heard her and again can respect her point and at the end of the day more women are going to be hurt by men. Men will also be hurt by women. Its beyond me to think that humanity is disolving into a state of distrust and disillusion around the idea of what a healthy relationship looks like. HOT TAKE: STOP BUYING INTO PEOPLE WHO DONT GENUINELY CARE ABOUT YOU
    Edit: As humans we have free will. We are responsible for ourselves and what we create. If someone can make this work cool, and to also spout this off at a science convention without someeeeee science or at least have some sort of professional citation instead of "podcast" in the last 30 seconds. I watch this 3 times before commenting, and I can say I didnt learn anything more than a personal perspective of ONE person. Kinda expected more when I search to learn more from an accredited source for bringing in professionals. @ me Its my opinion just as much as I watch 15 minutes of her PERSONAL opinion

  • @nyterpfan
    @nyterpfan Před rokem +18

    To quote Osho--(a very prolific Buddhist writer)--"Love is not a possession--it is a state of being."
    There would be so much more joy and happiness in this world if this quote became the standard definition of love--and if we lived it each day!!

    • @absolutelyfookinnobody2843
      @absolutelyfookinnobody2843 Před rokem +2

      No it wouldn't and it won't

    • @rayenova
      @rayenova Před rokem +2

      Cool words, but lots of way more reputable people said similar things! Osho (Rajneesh) was not buddhist. He was the *very* controversial leader of a well known cult (check out the documentary Wild, Wild Country!).

    • @nyterpfan
      @nyterpfan Před rokem

      @@rayenova I saw that documentary--it paints a somewhat "slanted" picture IMHO. (As far as Osho not being Buddhist read his book "The Buddha Said"--it is obvious that Osho at the minimum was HEAVILY influenced by Buddha's teachings.)

    • @hunterherrington2066
      @hunterherrington2066 Před rokem

      you're a pseudo intellectual spiritual matt stoney, you should never speak your opinion in public again

  • @officialffspodcast
    @officialffspodcast Před rokem

    👏 👏 👏

  • @chorlauheung4920
    @chorlauheung4920 Před rokem +5

    What happened to the marriage covenant, between a husband and a wife!!

  • @cardcode8345
    @cardcode8345 Před 3 lety +15

    Best love language is “MONEY”

  • @heisenberg3829
    @heisenberg3829 Před 3 lety +3

    Bu benim neden keşfetimde?

  • @whytarang2742
    @whytarang2742 Před 2 lety +1

    Healthy household

  • @injetisrinivasarao966
    @injetisrinivasarao966 Před 2 lety +6

    Never in your life complaint ......where have all the good men gone.

  • @JohnnyJackson746
    @JohnnyJackson746 Před 2 měsíci

    Anything about polygamy is getting ignored

  • @lostindixie
    @lostindixie Před rokem +4

    I know a happuly married couple where she has a boyfriend, he has a girlfriend, but without all this doublespeak.

  • @blobbo5995
    @blobbo5995 Před 3 lety

    4th?

  • @winnytaio9547
    @winnytaio9547 Před rokem +16

    One thing of this non-monogomus arrangement. Most men want it to be one sided. I can't see other people but he can.

    • @bobkloth57
      @bobkloth57 Před rokem +3

      What’s stopping you? It’s easy for a woman to get a man. It’s just that the man might not be over 6 feet tall, make 6 figures, and have 6 pack abs.

    • @jizz1488
      @jizz1488 Před rokem

      Well said

    • @bobkloth57
      @bobkloth57 Před rokem

      @@jizz1488
      Thanks

    • @Dhuxul9
      @Dhuxul9 Před rokem +1

      The man doesn’t own you so do what you want

  • @denisships2861
    @denisships2861 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Crux Saccra sit mihi lux! Non dracco sit mihi dux

  • @marianavalenzuela2986
    @marianavalenzuela2986 Před 3 lety +23

    I resemble with everything she said except for the love languages part, we all like words of affirmation as much as physical love... love languages are irrelevant, we are all looking for the 5 parts.

    • @kanekane5216
      @kanekane5216 Před 2 lety +1

      I agree love is just a chemical reaction fades away in 1 year.

    • @clairsentientrealm7203
      @clairsentientrealm7203 Před 2 lety +4

      @@kanekane5216 I feel very sad you believe that. You deserve better of yourself 💜

    • @eevalobo
      @eevalobo Před 2 lety +3

      One dominates the most is usually what that refers to…not that the person is missing one or a few.

    • @ayanjoemusic
      @ayanjoemusic Před 2 lety +2

      You're kinda right on one part ; that we are looking for all 5 parts. But I think how it works is the degree to which you want specific things....
      I took the test and receiving gifts was the last love language. But it's not like i don't love getting gifts. It's just that I prefer quality time more than that, maybe not necessarily over that.

    • @ayanjoemusic
      @ayanjoemusic Před 2 lety

      @@kanekane5216 you're right about the chemicals, and even the fading away, but that's just the feeling of love. The act of love requires effort to keep the wave flowing, make the chemical reactions in you happen again...to learn about the neurotransmitters and how to keep them going in a relationship, to trust the person vulnerably enough to build your own mental fortitude and faith in your own ability to love (as an action, not just riding a feeling), i guess.

  • @zehahahava
    @zehahahava Před 3 měsíci +2

    There is nothing Worse then listening to enm ppl talk about being enm 🤮

  • @blueberryPR
    @blueberryPR Před 2 lety +11

    Society will sooner or later stop imposing the ethics and religious beliefs from one section of society to others that need to get with the program.

  • @angrytedtalks
    @angrytedtalks Před 3 lety +47

    Non monogamy. Ethical? I don't think the vast majority of human ancestry gave a stuff about the ethics. It has always been about the gratification, balanced with dominance and empathy. Some apes are matriarchal. Others have dominant males. We humans just blunder through relationships and procreation.

    • @kbanghart
      @kbanghart Před 3 lety +1

      Yes, I mainly agree with this

    • @annahappen7036
      @annahappen7036 Před 2 lety +1

      No kidding!!

    • @Jeeplee_rc
      @Jeeplee_rc Před rokem +4

      Ancient culture and civilization was not monogamous. Most animals are not monogamous. It's a very interesting topic

    • @seth5143
      @seth5143 Před 7 měsíci

      @@Jeeplee_rc
      Slavery was also a worldwide institution for most of human history :)

  • @pardesipunjabi1493
    @pardesipunjabi1493 Před 2 lety +16

    Such relationships are for insecure and for people who lack ability to commit.

    • @thealchemist6994
      @thealchemist6994 Před rokem +8

      i agree with you!!! Non Monogamy is like sleeping with your woman, whom had slept with another man a few hours ago, and another man a day ago, and another one the other day and the neighbor's husband last weekend. I see non monogamy like that of an open relationship. Where are the feelings then??

  • @upcoming3341
    @upcoming3341 Před měsícem +3

    Man, there is a lot of hate on here! Most of you seem to set in this cookie-cutter, monogamous, wet blanket of a view on healthy relationships. I’ve been in a non-monogamous relationship for 10 years now, and my wife and I are miles ahead in communication and happiness, then most of the relationships I know. Non-monogamy isn’t for everyone, but just to hate because it’s not “the norm,” is not only sad. It’s boring.

  • @walmartramen
    @walmartramen Před 7 měsíci

    "Humans are now mostly monogamous, but this has been the norm for just the past 1,000 years." These days it's ok for a woman to have a concubine since things seem so reversed!

  • @johnharris73
    @johnharris73 Před 2 lety +14

    What the heck is she talking about? This is what atheistic parenting gets you? This sounds like utter confusion to me. I’m glad that her talk was not the classic perfect sounding TED TALK. She was genuine in that way though I don’t agree with much of what she said. And that’s all good. This is her life and life is about choices, right or wrong.

    • @MirandaAutumn
      @MirandaAutumn Před 2 lety +6

      And who are you to tell another whether their choices are right or wrong?

    • @maxbarkdull875
      @maxbarkdull875 Před rokem

      Mr. Hyde was more coherent

  • @Prosanity0012
    @Prosanity0012 Před 10 měsíci

    Please don’t make it religious

  • @christianbateman2
    @christianbateman2 Před 2 lety +16

    Absolute mess

  • @mashal2567
    @mashal2567 Před 2 lety +45

    Something I can never understand. There is no relationship if it’s non monogamous… whoever says it is lying to themselves
    After listening to her I realized that she is just someone who was getting bad men in her life and she was basically convinced that there are no monogamy… and being raised in a family like that.
    Which makes me feel sorry for her.
    The truth is there are men and women who don’t cheat. And love each other.

    • @semperfi-1918
      @semperfi-1918 Před 2 lety +31

      Non monogamous marriages have been around and successful as well for thousands of years. And yes a man can love more than one woman. Many cultures still practice this as well.

    • @lilyjones2368
      @lilyjones2368 Před 2 lety +42

      You must have been really hurt at some point to be small minded enough to believe this. You don’t get to define other people’s relationships as valid or not 🙄 have a seat

    • @shivinunitholi2493
      @shivinunitholi2493 Před 2 lety +15

      @@lilyjones2368 have you have ever interacted with kids of "poly" folks ever. I have and I have known a case where this teenage son was totally disturbed when told that his mom had multiple partners.
      It's easy to preach poly relationship as normal but it really isn't and especially a difficult thing for kids of the ones who are into this kind of an arrangement. So I'd say you better have a seat.

    • @rogerledoux4741
      @rogerledoux4741 Před 2 lety +6

      @@shivinunitholi2493 I agree, people don't consider the ramifications of these types of relationships. Here is an example so a woman has a relationship with 2 different men she becomes pregnant and she has no idea who the father is. What do you tell the kid, you have 2 daddy's. Now I understand today you can get a DNA TEST but not that long ago that was not possible. My understanding Is today as high as 5 to 30% of men are raising other men babies.

    • @ayanjoemusic
      @ayanjoemusic Před 2 lety

      @@shivinunitholi2493 could one case be a sample representative for the entire population of kids of poly folks?

  • @karimalrawas6185
    @karimalrawas6185 Před 8 měsíci +5

    All people who are defending this have never experienced real love. If you find the right person, the idea of touching someone else disgusts you and makes you sick to your stomach. If that's not the case then you are far from understanding what love is.

  • @ugleebuggs7597
    @ugleebuggs7597 Před 2 lety +11

    FFS.
    TEDx will allow absolutely anyone to speak these days 🤮🤮

  • @HkFinn83
    @HkFinn83 Před 3 lety +7

    Why is it always decently attractive/normal women with obviously below average guys?

    • @kbanghart
      @kbanghart Před 3 lety +10

      I don't think that's always the case

    • @dsciulli
      @dsciulli Před 3 lety +1

      It is with me lol I’m not obviously below average but I’ve always had the confidence and ability to date what others would be afraid too.

    • @mateuszg6042
      @mateuszg6042 Před 2 lety +4

      They are with the below average to make sure he'll stay with them and raise their kids. They cheat on them with the good looking ones. I'm the good looking one and can confirm.

    • @HkFinn83
      @HkFinn83 Před 2 lety +1

      @@mateuszg6042 you think that an average woman has numerous below average boyfriends in case one day she has kids and needs childcare? That’s...certainly a theory you have there fella😂😂

    • @gigifabozzi5433
      @gigifabozzi5433 Před 2 lety +1

      Because those below average guys commit while she bangs the guys she likes but that don't commit to her

  • @nsolcis
    @nsolcis Před rokem +10

    this is terrible for kids.

  • @Mrfairchap
    @Mrfairchap Před 2 lety +17

    "Non-monogamous"? LOL! Yeah, right... excuse my cynicism but it just looks to me like yet another excuse to sleep with multiple partners.

    • @abeshep3622
      @abeshep3622 Před 8 měsíci

      well duh nothing wrong with giving jnto your desires. i dont understand this need to judge people who want an abundance of partners. As long as youre noy spreading diseases and dealing an overload of toxic behaviour and superficiality then you're good.

  • @dainbulldog1
    @dainbulldog1 Před 2 lety +24

    I am so sorry. It sounds like you’ve reverted to open relationships because of hurt of men that you chose, and play it off as if the men you chose are solely responsible for the havoc in your life. You chose them.

  • @linuxbasic3399
    @linuxbasic3399 Před 3 lety +12

    for non monogamy promotion you have seriously monotonous presentation... school monologues are better than this...

  • @Remy4489
    @Remy4489 Před 2 lety +30

    Sorry, but there is really no such thing as "ethical" non-monogamy; no matter how much some people might like this to be legitimized. ( Ie morality actually exists and is not merely a human construct that people can change based on their own personal likes and dislikes).

    • @henjoyner8788
      @henjoyner8788 Před 2 lety +33

      Why is non-monogamy inherently immoral in your opinion?

    • @annahappen7036
      @annahappen7036 Před 2 lety +34

      You've not even begun a journey of self- awareness. You're basis for this statement is from the auto-pilot assumption that there actually is some kind of Supreme Moral authority i.e. a god of a chosen religion. Not everyone ascribes to such. Morality has been and always will be dependent on your own world view be it religious or not. I'm sorry friend but you're not everyone's moral authority nor is your god, or the god you got your auto pilot default ethics from.

    • @shivinunitholi2493
      @shivinunitholi2493 Před 2 lety +3

      @@annahappen7036 I'm not trying to get religion here but what you imply is there's nothing ethical and nothing moral. In that which case you're endorsing the "anyone can get laid with anyone" idea, is it.

    • @gigifabozzi5433
      @gigifabozzi5433 Před 2 lety +7

      @@henjoyner8788 because monogamy is the basis of society, without monogamy societies can't exist, and if something is a danger to society then its, by definition, unethical.

    • @antoinethename9064
      @antoinethename9064 Před 2 lety +1

      @@shivinunitholi2493 they very much did not say that. If anything they said that there is no *objective* morality/ethics.

  • @christianbennett1810
    @christianbennett1810 Před 2 lety +26

    This is heartbreaking for a child to go through, it's confusing for them and it messes up marriage for them, polyamorous is not the way to go, that is not a healthy construct to go by

    • @timiadebayo8154
      @timiadebayo8154 Před rokem +10

      Why? She doesn't seem confused. If anything she's empowered. She has been given all the options and SHE, not her parents...not you, SHE has decided what she needs to be healthy.

    • @cesruhf2605
      @cesruhf2605 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@timiadebayo8154 she seems high

  • @cheetavontiebolt9971
    @cheetavontiebolt9971 Před 26 dny

    Better ethical non managony then cheating

  • @envoltaemla6652
    @envoltaemla6652 Před 3 lety +26

    non-monogamy only exists out of egoism and a lack of interest in the other, otherwise people would'nt try to find a 2nd or 3rd person to give them what they want just like that. ethical.... fhfdsh

  • @johnrencheck2283
    @johnrencheck2283 Před rokem +2

    Non manogamy itself in a relationship is not ethical u believe this cause mommy was a single parent with no ethics thus marrying into an open relationship and telling u its ok to be UNETHICAL just like mommy and new daddy im betting mommy had many side men,unethical hun

    • @vivianech1
      @vivianech1 Před rokem +1

      Oh yes it is. You don’t know what you’re talking about