Teams Trying To BULLY Pogacar for Being GREEDY? Lanterne Rouge x JOIN Cycling
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- In this clip Benji Naesen and Patrick Broe discuss the recent discussion and interviews regarding Tadej Pogacar's strategies.
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Pog is paid to win not host a charity gala
He should hold his horses because he bringing to much heat for him unecessary, i dont forget him launching a sprint to catch narvaez, thats greedy even if he is working for molano.
its a professional bike race, not a tickling competition
We should bully Trek to stop being greedy and going for sprint stages
We should bully Trek for not giving partial refunds to customers, who bought during the Lance era, after getting money back from Lance.
Yes it is silly, but then again on a regular basis a lot in this sport is silly.
What an idiotic statement🔥🔥🔥
what dumb comment.
I too hate it when my opponents actually try to win. Seems unfair, really.
they race me so hard
People tend to forget it is still only a game and some people always root for the underdog.
I agree with something Pogacar said a couple of years ago : ' You can never have too much time on GC. " One puncture at a bad time or....fill in the blanks.
Good effort for speaking out on this nonsense!
If you are better than Pog, then go right ahead and win yourself... That simple.
Honestly these complaints the last days piss me off so much. Completely kills the joy of cycling as a sport for me if its not a competetion but just random teams crying for stage wins. How are people begging to have gifted wins is beyond me.
As Patrick says its pathet ic.
And it only to one generation of participation awards winners to get to this point.😂
This is not a new thing in this sport, it is as old as at least the time of Eddy Merckx. The reason this happens is because those guys race again against each other next day, next week, next month, next year. All the usual human emotions apply: Greed, fear, envy, distrust, betrayal etc. So things get negotiated all the time. Bonds are created, bonds are betrayed, people complain about other people being jerks etc. It is just like real life. I can imagine that this could be new and challenging for Tadej. Being the favourite wonder boy for years and now all of a sudden he gets criticised. I am a big advocate for using mental coaches in this sport, especially for the young guys.
@edwin.jansen to the point where they feel they should give up a win? I never remember Tiger Woods saying on Sunday, "Well I think I will let the other guy win because I don't want to be greedy. Did Wayne Gretzky quit trying to score goals?
@@edwin.jansen I believe it is wise to avoid creating too much anger or envy in the peloton.
Riders are incredibly vulnerable to a bad move from a competitor and mutual respect helps in maintaining riding etiquette and thus preventing crashes.
But other than that I find it pathetic that theey have to beg when they can just improve.
How many of these teammates are going with Pogy to the Tour? These guys are here to race. They did not train this hard to not push the tempo. Let’s go Racing!!
You never hear whining in other sports. Can you imagine pga tour serial winners like Scheffler or Mcilroy giving other competitors a win ? It’s only in cycling and we’ve heard this for years.
Give that guy a break.
First the UCI with the shorts and now calling him greedy.
His job is to win races.
If you can't beat them, bully them. That's what my old man used to say
you're not Don Jr. are you?!
Bullying might pay off in the short term, but the karma is a B.
In other sports that would be called fixing or rigging
Great Show, and topic! Ask Eddy M if Pog should win when he can, or give everyone in the break a trophy! 🤷♂️
Not about Giro, but just now Mc nulty won Itt National Championship in USA.
Solid, but Stars and bars isn't on the level as rainbow or Olympic gold.
Did Cavendish ever get criticized like this? Why Pog, why now? I blame Tiktok.
I just started listening to this because I thought it was the full podcast XD
Who the heck is getting mad when GC riders fight for the stage win on mountain finish stage ? Like i always pray that breakaway won't make it so GC rider will win the stage.
I agree it gets a bit boring when the GC is settled after stage 2. But that's not Pog's fault and to be fair, most of the stages have been pretty decent to watch even knowing the GC is sewn up. If I was him and I was the strongest rider in the race by miles, I would be trying to win every stage I could. There's no guarantee that he will be the strongest next year, or even if he'll ever ride the Giro again - it only takes one bad accident, he could suffer similar to Vingegaard next season, who knows. Make hay while the sun shines I say.
I remember a video you did a while back about "unwritten rules" of cycling and discussing hoe many contradictory situations have occurred and times when people have been celebrated for breaking the "rules". It's a holdover from a time when these sports were more amateur and had less of a ruthless obsession with winning. Ultimately it probably pays to have a few friends in the peloton.
"an endless cycle" = Lease-a-bike?
New fan to cycling, what's the deal with being too greedy (like he was in andalucia)
This is of all ages, they complained to Eddy Merckx as well: watch Stars & Watercarriers about the 1973 Giro, at minute 22, a fellow rider asks him "why don't you give the rest of us a chance?" czcams.com/video/ZUIr9LG1juw/video.html&si=va5NJvFAb0jDST3b&t=22m08s
Excellent commentary.
Would you ride for a team director/CEO who had a horrific doping record? Team performance is holistic. I wouldn’t.
Who is that?
@@Caffeinatedtechnerd head of UAE
Serious question, but who in the peloton has been complaining? I thought most of the chatter was just from fans/analysts/podcasters/etc
Have riders been throwing subtle shade at Pog and I missed it?
Yeah that's my feeling as well. I admittedly don't follow every cyclist on twitter or Strava but most rider interviews I see, they seem pretty chill about it. They just give him his props...
Some DS might whine, I'd believe that. But yeah, mostly it's just commentators and pundits, because they're all a bunch drama queens
I’m sure there’s things being said that we don’t hear
Exactly, no one. I listen and read to a lot of riders’ interviews and so far not one has said anything of this sort, actually the opposite. From Ganna to Tiberi to Honoré to Plapp to Cian etc, no one said anything against him riding this way. Literally a media bubble
@@MEB939 I don’t disagree Look at what the media did for the vuelta last year
As All Black great Tana Umuga said “it’s not tiddlywinks”
I might feel it was ruining watching the race if UAE were sky-training it and making every stage the same but pogacar is such a fun rider to watch- you can never guess what he'll do (and I think he sometimes doesn't know until he's on the road and feel the opportunity in his legs!) It's gutting that people have been pressuring him to be a less aggressive rider! please! He's so much more fun to watch than the more 'sensible' riders 😭
Also, weren't people having a go at UAE for being too weak saying they wouldn't be able to support pog? Like you can't have it both ways- if they were sincere before saying pog won't have enough support in the big mountains then they should be saying pog needs every second
Poggie tells us the names of the bullies in the peleton and us fans will sort them out on social media.
He probably doesn’t even know, it’s more likely the DS that sort this sort of stuff out
What a weak move.
Loser.
Like social media did for Sepp Kuss in the vuelta last year.
The sour grapes Tejay Van Garderen DS of EF Education-EasyPost started it...
Whiners. Just a bunch of whiners. Get stronger. That's it.
At no point did he say that any rider or team complained and I would find that hard to believe. However the press and fans have been very vocal and the diplomatic decision was his own team I believe. It’s up to him what he does but don’t sulk about it
What would eddy do ?
Since panthers are big cats, I would be more concerned by Tiberi if I were Pogi 😂
And it only took one generation of participation award winners to get to the point of being "bullied" for winning too much.😂😂😂
Nice clickbait rhetorical question? If not, this one is! :P Considering that pro cycling is emotional and opportunistic by its nature, this was to be expected upfront. So no surprise to me here. Perhaps the fact the I have been following this sport for decades helps to be amazed that people are surprised or even emotionally triggered by this. ;-)
I think Patrick you will be annoyed about this everytime only one of the wonder boys races a grand tour. It is how this small community sport has worked and still works, it is how everybody gets raised in this sport. It happened back in the days of Merckx. This sport is and has been mentally and emotionally more like a child in puberty. Have you ever tried to find logic in the behaviour of such a child? Good luck! ;-)
Greed is good.
Pretty unkind thumbnail here boys, don’t be needlessly garish
Tadej should be thinking about the Tour. Use this as training and come out with a 5 min win. I can hear yall now. He lost 2 min to the leader on stage 16 because he was going so hard in the Giro. Not only for his "matches" but also his team fitness
Pogi bullied? Really? Maybe more UAE pressured, no? And I don’t think Pogi needs anyone going after whoever on social media. He’s got that nailed too
This is what happens when the politics of the peloton and the position of the patron has disappeared. The modern peloton is a little like Lord of the Flies.
If you can’t keep up, train harder or shut up.
You guys think too small on this. It's not an immediate ROI. There are things that happen outside of the clear "we will pay you back later by doing "x" later".
There are a lot of dick moves people can do to make life harder for you in a peloton.
Pogi is the strongest/best rider in this race. The goal is to win the GC. Not chasing stage wins. Puts too much stress on his teammates.He is lucky that he can go off-book and still win many one day races and accumulate stage wins, but this type of riding (last two TdF) will not produce TdF GC winning results where the competition is better. His teammates are not at the same level. Stick to the plan.
I agree with you, but it must be Pogacar and UAE choice to chase or not stages.
His opponents must not have any say on this. It is competition.
Sorry but it’s sport, where you compete. It’s not a modern day kids sports day where everyone gets a medal. Yes, more will need to attack him and take that risk, but if you don’t Pog will win. Too many happy to settle for 2nd.
This is stupid. If he is better he should win. If you complain, try something to win
I see things differently. Firstly, there is a long history of GC teams letting stage wins go to non-GC teams in order to share the spoils (eg, the reason Armstrong/Hinault were in the news for saying “pas de cadeux” in 2004 was precisely because it was unusual & therefore noteworthy). And secondly, the reality is that pro road cycling is advertising first, entertainment second, pure sport third (vs. say track cycling where i think that order is reversed). If team X is coming at the Giro from a “best rider always wins” (sport) perspective while team Y is more from a “we all need exposure” perspective (advertising) I think it is natural that some conflict might occur if UAE try to take every stage. I certainly don’t see it as whining, i just see it as having different perspectives and needs.
Then they need to try harder
The GC for 1st at the Giro is a joke and boring .. 2-10 is racing . i can whinge but i'm not pathetic ok ......
#freepogi
I demand diversity, equity and inclusion to be implemented in professional road racing! "May the best one win" sounds way anachronistic.
Who bullied him?
Any proof?
Or was it rather media and fans who were complaining?
You too are getting carried away with plots like this.
Stick to your guns.
And, get rid of Benji.
You don’t need him.
He hurts your brand Patrick.
yeah, i’ve sensed a slight meanness of spirit from LRCP this giro, almost like they’ve leant in a bit too far into the “polemica”. Seems a bit forced to me. I hope it’s just a blip. But i’m possibly 30 years older than their target audience and too old for this shizz. 🤣
Wait till Pogi and team go full gas on queen stage and those whiner can’t make the time cut 🫢🫢