Basic work saw porting tips

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  • @user-nl6st8eu5x
    @user-nl6st8eu5x Před 5 měsíci +8

    excellent Gordy ! I've been a motorcycle race engine builder for 50 years. I'm old. after building hotrod Harleys for a few years, I went on to tune race Kart engines, to me the ultimate in 2-stroke tuning. learned a lot. ported a lot. ruined some cylinders. your craft is making better use of tuning than my race motor work. way to go Brother.

  • @AndyH-13
    @AndyH-13 Před rokem +9

    One of the best explanations I’ve seen on porting for beginners.

  • @evergreenorganics
    @evergreenorganics Před rokem +40

    One thing for new guys is buy yourself a $30 dollar digital caliper for measuring the thousandths. Figure out how many thousandths = one degree and take off only about one to two degrees at a time. A little goes a LONG way. When I port most of my time is spent in the transfers making them more aerodynamic. Great stuff Gordy, thank you.

    • @Tasmanian.
      @Tasmanian. Před 8 měsíci +1

      millimeters baby.

    • @MF175mp
      @MF175mp Před 2 měsíci +4

      It's a different amount of mm/degree at different positions

    • @evergreenorganics
      @evergreenorganics Před 2 měsíci

      @@MF175mp no it isn’t.

    • @MF175mp
      @MF175mp Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@evergreenorganics sure is, at TDC and BDC it's 0mm/degree and in between it's a different amount in each position

  • @donnywalker4691
    @donnywalker4691 Před rokem +23

    Great video right on the money

    • @westcoastsaw1368
      @westcoastsaw1368  Před rokem +6

      Thank you big dog

    • @jasonmichaeljimenez
      @jasonmichaeljimenez Před rokem +10

      Just think. You have been working on small engines for 50 years, ported probably thousands of saws, and you spend your free time watching saw porting videos on CZcams. You the man, Donny Walker, you the man.

  • @rottiejakeluke
    @rottiejakeluke Před rokem +2

    I don’t have a reason that I can put my finger on, but I’ve become addicted to your products and videos. You are quite a wonderful person and I thank you for sharing your business and knowledge with myself and surly others.

  • @sammosher1812
    @sammosher1812 Před rokem +2

    Thanks Gordy! Great basic porting info.

  • @cajun3197
    @cajun3197 Před rokem +11

    Great explanation. I love exchanging port timing numbers with my buddies and learning what works for some and doesn’t for others. Then you find the common denominator of the what and why’s. That’s really a good way to learn too if you’re starting out find guys on your level or close to and share your ideas.

  • @Woodysworksaws
    @Woodysworksaws Před rokem +5

    Keep it coming. awesome content!

  • @KingOfTheLosers13
    @KingOfTheLosers13 Před 3 měsíci +2

    That wilton bullet vise is a beauty.

  • @comingtofull-ageinchrist6736

    this was a great intro 101 to increasing air flow! Thanks for sharing the knowledge!

  • @bennyblanko3
    @bennyblanko3 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Thanks! Appreciate all your experience, knowledge and sharing.

  • @joshuajohnson4396
    @joshuajohnson4396 Před rokem

    Gordy, you're awesome 👌. Thanks for your advice

  • @danielpaulson786
    @danielpaulson786 Před rokem

    Thank you dude,that's about everything I needed to know to start messing with porting my saws that no body on CZcams likes to show you.i already got the foredom I use to carve wood too.good job my friend and a big ol what's up.names Dan from Des Moines iowa.thankyou again

  • @40beretta1
    @40beretta1 Před 7 měsíci

    Gordy has some serious saws falling trees.. Great vlog Gordy. Thank you for the detailed information. He also has the coolest work shop too...

  • @user-kh2yl6nn3l
    @user-kh2yl6nn3l Před 7 měsíci +4

    Really good explanation on atomization . I used to port and learned these concepts back in the late 70's early 80's . You sure can make a lot of difference from where you place rough and smooth surfaces in naturally aspirated engines . Not so much in force fed power though . Good video . :)

  • @timothysullivan4130
    @timothysullivan4130 Před 10 měsíci

    Great job of explaining👍love the WCS VIDEOS

  • @henrikpanczak6312
    @henrikpanczak6312 Před rokem +2

    Thank you for showing your knowledge! Greetings from Germany!

  • @joesjunkgarage
    @joesjunkgarage Před 9 měsíci +2

    Absolutely fantastic sage wisdom presented here! Pay attention here people! I’ve been in the performance automotive, motorcycle engine building arena for decades. He is giving you all of the secret information here for building performance from any engine. Thank you for sharing your knowledge here!

  • @kevindennison8619
    @kevindennison8619 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Great video! Honda discovered years ago that the intake charge mix and speed, over more volume made the most power. Polish exhaust, rough intake, and if possible increase intake charge speed by modification of venturi effect and distance to intake at the cylinder.

  • @duggaboy
    @duggaboy Před rokem +4

    I appreciate your clean workbench.

  • @danielbenedict9236
    @danielbenedict9236 Před rokem +9

    I love it Gordy!! Good video and great information for those of us at the beginner level. I would love for you to talk a bit about the stratified design and how that may differ for porting purposes compared to the non-stratified cylinders. I don't think I have seen a video on that from anyone yet. Keep up the awesome work and content!!!

    • @westcoastsaw1368
      @westcoastsaw1368  Před rokem +5

      My porting stays the same between the 2 there are some tricks you can do maybe we can talk about that later on down the road 👍

  • @davidvaneck4856
    @davidvaneck4856 Před rokem

    Intriguing and smart . Thanks for this from yer neighbor to the north. Vancouver Island ...

  • @user-sj1kz4ov8g
    @user-sj1kz4ov8g Před 2 měsíci

    I have that same vice! Love it! It was given to me by an 80 year old neighbor of mine about 20 years ago now

  • @tonytribisonna9886
    @tonytribisonna9886 Před rokem +2

    Great 👍 video Gordy very well demonstrated nice clean work.
    Good see your using OEM cylinder’s
    I found timing numbers pretty spot on
    in comparison to After market junk.
    Keep up the good work love your videos

  • @timg9448
    @timg9448 Před rokem +1

    Great tutorial on porting. Much thanks

  • @Brian2bears
    @Brian2bears Před rokem +4

    I admire your garage/shop/studio, saw it through Jacobs' channel way back filing chain with Jed...great video here...

  • @ScrewdriverTUNING
    @ScrewdriverTUNING Před rokem +9

    Beautiful explanation on basic porting. I will be a watching all your videos because of this explanation keep up the great work🔥❤️‍🔥🧬

  • @Safteassemblies
    @Safteassemblies Před 5 měsíci +2

    Hey brother. Your spot on as far as my knowledge. I mean spot on. . Nice work bro. .. didnt know how digital even a gasket thickness makes on these little screamers . Not to often i run across a common sence mechanic and you have the goods . All and anyone who wants to learn something , needs to pay attention to you and your knowledge . Thanks man good to know there is others like myself that get after it and actually know what there talking about. Hey bro i eat sleep and thrive on these air pumps so i can pick up what your laying down . There very touchy and it has to be perfect or they wont run good or at all. 10 thumbs up to ya , pay attention people this man knows what hes sharing with you . 100 percent. . Thanks man appriciate you .

  • @230e4
    @230e4 Před rokem +13

    We have snow here, made my log job muddy so I finally can have a day in the shop. A little = alot in porting. Get comfortable and take your time. I recently replaced the intake and exhaust gasket in a Jeep 4.0 I built and ported 20 years ago. It was really nice to be able to see the fruits of my labor again after all these years and 438,000 miles of reliability. The time spent on your builds will give you a higher level of confidence in yourself and your equipment. One will make mistakes but keep going, one day you will look back and be glad you did.

    • @westcoastsaw1368
      @westcoastsaw1368  Před rokem +3

      That’s a good feeling to see your work last like that nice work 👌

    • @230e4
      @230e4 Před rokem +1

      @@westcoastsaw1368 Thanks

    • @DaveyBlue32
      @DaveyBlue32 Před rokem +3

      Very nice! It’s really funny but as a young dude going into high school I absolutely hated working on cars because I had to work weekends in my uncles junk yard… about 12-13 I started working on some of the stuff setting around because when my uncle would take off for his afternoon bar run we would jump into whichever whip I had got going and play dirt track racer in and out the gravel back roads that lead you back into the property! LMFFAO! About 14 I was talking with my other uncle about rebuilding an engine and had gotten some good basic information… so we set about on a ford fairmont wagon and it was a pretty decent 5.0 cruiser for our first official builder… my uncle Jonny helped me some with the getting my heads done by a buddy with a machine shop and whatnot… it ran a long time too! Mom drove it… we added a nitrous shot my junior year of high school but it only lasted for a couple months and then mom made me take it off… some teenagers were joyriding and she wanted to put them in their place as the wagon never made it past the multi colored primer stage and she scared the Holy Heck out of herself!!! A couple cuss words were uttered for probably like the 5 time in her entire life and I was in the driveway making sure she didn’t kill herself on the button… still wish I could have whiteness exactly what happened!!! My 3 year older sister said… we went really fast!!! 😂😂😂. Porting saw’s is awesome… people get all defensive about talking numbers and whatnot like they might loose some work over it? If you have a great reputation you’ll never loose anything to another shop! There’s a stream of guy’s who are getting into saw’s just for fun and the porting work is going to just continue to grow the more and more people get interested and involved… if the guy could do it himself he probably already would have… there’s just lots of guy’s who are trying to collect the information enough to know what they are talking about… it’s definitely not the space shuttle it’s a freakin 2 stroke chainsaw engine!

    • @DaveyBlue32
      @DaveyBlue32 Před rokem +1

      I really like your stuff I bought a 660 that had the muffler cover and spikes on it!!! Didn’t realize the whole weight of your duel port muffler front covers from that really fantastic thick hunk of metal!!! Not gonna bend that up!!! Very nice 👍 😁

    • @timstiles9026
      @timstiles9026 Před měsícem

      Gordy, Sir i got a question...
      I want to get the most power I possibly can get from my Stihl MS362 can u offer any advice?
      I'm in Pierce County Puyallup Washington... I believe you're local to me...
      If you can help me figure out what I can do for the best result I'd be really grateful...

  • @howarddavidiii6171
    @howarddavidiii6171 Před rokem +2

    Thanks for this info. It makes a lot sense to me. It's about air flo and atomization for best combustion. The timing issues makes me think I might want to let those with more experience work on saws I need for work. I have a couple I might be willing to chance experimenting with.

  • @jkmcp45
    @jkmcp45 Před rokem

    Look there Gordy the grandson of two stroke commending you you know you’ve arrived I live on the east coast t and you two are the 2 stroke gurus from sea to sea be safe great videos

  • @Zach_R
    @Zach_R Před rokem +2

    Great Content Keep It Coming!

  • @aubreyford9365
    @aubreyford9365 Před rokem +2

    Great information. Thank you for the great video.

  • @michelpicton8357
    @michelpicton8357 Před rokem +1

    Smashing that like button!! Your awesome 👌

  • @dennisthemenace57
    @dennisthemenace57 Před rokem +1

    Thank you for the very good advice and video

  • @Moosehound597
    @Moosehound597 Před rokem +2

    Heck yeah dude thanks for the great info

  • @BigAgitator
    @BigAgitator Před 7 měsíci +1

    Excellent explanation, thanks!

  • @WireWeHere
    @WireWeHere Před 4 měsíci +1

    Drawing a vertical center line on your piston to align with casting marks can be useful for holding your piston in line with where it'll run.

  • @gregbrown9271
    @gregbrown9271 Před rokem +1

    Some very good explanations Gordy 👌

  • @ponchovanillabean8074
    @ponchovanillabean8074 Před 8 měsíci

    Just recently came across your channel. Glad I did. Thanks for all the VERY valuable information. At least, to me.

  • @goranah
    @goranah Před rokem +1

    Very nice with some basics and not to much in one video. Keep em coming..

  • @skravlesen
    @skravlesen Před rokem +2

    That's some nice grinding😎

  • @timtrax918artisan8
    @timtrax918artisan8 Před rokem +5

    You want asperation on the intake , picture the air and fuel across the ruff surface. It causes a turbulent mix. The exauhst is smoooth to get rid of it efficiently. I leaernned this 25 years ago with a two stroke racing quad. thank you Curtis Sparks

    • @ToreDL87
      @ToreDL87 Před měsícem

      Yeah want that A/F in with velocity, dimple porting, whereas exhaust > smooth.
      Unburnt stuff hangs on to everything, even pistons, so, smooth & polished exhaust, don't give carbon deposits anywhere to hang on.

  • @Maniacal_Saw_Works
    @Maniacal_Saw_Works Před rokem +1

    Very good points in this, we all have our differences in work saws and how extreme you can push it but not over grinding a cylinder rod the biggest thing.

  • @dynojoemods2764
    @dynojoemods2764 Před rokem +2

    Awesome video!

  • @HondroGonzalez-zv5zv
    @HondroGonzalez-zv5zv Před 7 měsíci

    Great shizz mirokee..thanks kp up the gd work

  • @comingtofull-ageinchrist6736

    this made sense to me because I watched a guy do the same for air flow on a muscle car and hearing some old experts from the muscle car era talk about air flow. It's about keeping the motor cool. I think the best way to relate the heat in a motor is for anyone who has over heated their brakes in a big truck; you lose your brakes. The same goes with the power in a motor! when it gets too hot, it loses power! the cooler you can run a motor, the more efficient it will be for long days of cutting!
    this was an excellent how to on increasing air flow without causing problems with the piston rings hanging on the edges. That part, I think was one of the top pointers on guidelines for shaping the ports for optimum air flow! Thanks, Gordy! Great video!

    • @Mr_Clean
      @Mr_Clean Před 7 měsíci

      Ever watch NHRA drag racing? You know why some guys play games at the starting line? Because the hotter their motors get the more power they build and then the other guy blows the tires off. And those guys run solid blocks. No coolant

    • @gibbyrockerhunter
      @gibbyrockerhunter Před 5 měsíci

      I feel like you are trying to say the original comment is wrong. Dont forget the "whys" of the alc burning nhra guys. There simply isnt enough time for the thermal transfer to take place in regards to running coolant. There are many other reasons for that one instance, but bottom line is heat=energy. It doesn't matter if we are talking photons, electrons, etc. Heat is wasted energy
      @Mr_Clean

    • @comingtofull-ageinchrist6736
      @comingtofull-ageinchrist6736 Před 5 měsíci

      @@Mr_Clean there’s a line on how hot is good and when it passes that threshold it loses power! The principle can be seen in breaks overheating and losing the ability to stop the vehicle.
      I’m no expert but there is a balance to be attained; and air flow is key to anything, including to ignition of sparks that drive the force in the engine! Without air, no fire, so air is necessary for ignition and cooling, and engine experts played with this a lot back in the 60’s through the 80’s especially when muscle cars were a big deal!

    • @Mr_Clean
      @Mr_Clean Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736 oh I know. It's why they say lean is mean.....

  • @billyb.9878
    @billyb.9878 Před rokem

    Yep, keep it simple for us old guys. The info is good & makes me want to pull something apart. But ill wait till spring. Be cutting fire wood till January. Then northern MI. gets too cold. Thanks I'll be back.

  • @andrewford80
    @andrewford80 Před 8 měsíci

    Awesome video. Might have to pick up a cylinder and give it a try

  • @Houseworksaws
    @Houseworksaws Před rokem +1

    Excellent video.. Very well explained

  • @longbar185d2
    @longbar185d2 Před rokem

    Well said, good information!

  • @wednesdar452
    @wednesdar452 Před rokem +4

    Very cool. Thank you for sharing.

  • @jonathna11
    @jonathna11 Před rokem

    Thankyou for this video I appreciate it :)

  • @ethanwilson9814
    @ethanwilson9814 Před rokem

    Great break down

  • @lumbearjack1439
    @lumbearjack1439 Před rokem +2

    Great video.

  • @kelvinpen3144
    @kelvinpen3144 Před rokem

    Thanks for the video answered a lot of the questions I’ve been thinking about Keep the videos coming 😎👍

  • @ishure8849
    @ishure8849 Před rokem +1

    Gday Gordy, that was an excellent enaligy of the intake port and the bottom of the boat, it made me think of a flat bottomed car stuck in mud you can nearly pull it in half trying to free it if theres total surface suction.

  • @lonnieholbert8898
    @lonnieholbert8898 Před 10 měsíci

    Thank yuu, top notch information

  • @michaelmcgann6296
    @michaelmcgann6296 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Very well explained. Thank you.

  • @garengtutorial8923
    @garengtutorial8923 Před 11 měsíci

    Mantapppp bro 👍

  • @CowboyAxe
    @CowboyAxe Před rokem +1

    Great stuff, might save me some money Lol.

  • @GR40RCapri
    @GR40RCapri Před rokem

    Nice explaination... Less is more!!!

  • @KevinBigg
    @KevinBigg Před rokem +2

    Great video Gordy. A sheet of paper is .003”

  • @babalu1126
    @babalu1126 Před rokem +2

    Very informative

  • @hillbilly4christ638
    @hillbilly4christ638 Před 3 měsíci

    The easier it breathes, the better. Yes you can take it too far, but these saws now are so restricted that anything is an improvement. If you want dependability, open it up. If you want a race saw, well, that can get expensive. They can run really well for a short time, but after that goodbye. Nitrous will make them run like a scalded dog but anything weak in there will let you know. Compression can help a great deal, but once again if you have too much pressure something will give way. Great video. Bottom line, make em breathe easy.

  • @Arthur-qo3rz
    @Arthur-qo3rz Před rokem

    That is badass!!

  • @longbar185d2
    @longbar185d2 Před rokem +2

    2 to 4 degrees seems to be good working numbers!

  • @Maniacal_Saw_Works
    @Maniacal_Saw_Works Před rokem +1

    Finger ports and blowdown, that’s the touchy subject

  • @localcrew
    @localcrew Před rokem +1

    I like chainsaws. Just subscribed!

  • @pm270100
    @pm270100 Před rokem

    good vid well done

  • @Matt-wf9vc
    @Matt-wf9vc Před rokem +1

    Thanks!

  • @donjohnson9170
    @donjohnson9170 Před rokem +1

    The little polishing wheels where did you get them?

  • @davidcarpenter8741
    @davidcarpenter8741 Před rokem

    Damn good video

  • @bucknaw1
    @bucknaw1 Před 2 měsíci

    Question: what do you guys use to deck a chainsaw head? I’ve done some porting and have the tools for that looking at lowering heads.

  • @trevor9671
    @trevor9671 Před rokem +3

    I'm new to porting. When I tear it down should I just focus on cleaning up the exhaust and intake and move the transfers in a better direction?

  • @christopherknee5756
    @christopherknee5756 Před 2 měsíci

    You also need a dynamometer or "dyno". Customers want to see the power before and after the "porting".

  • @at_3831
    @at_3831 Před rokem +4

    I’m not brave enough to port and polish on my own fortunately I have Daves Sawshop in St Mary’s PA they built my 460’s for 300 per saw port polish muffler mod and tune saw its gone less then a week.

  • @jacobbuckley8232
    @jacobbuckley8232 Před rokem +3

    Like the '79 2tone ford

  • @kelvinpen3144
    @kelvinpen3144 Před 6 měsíci

    Do you push the piston to the top of the cylinder when you make the marks with the Pencil Thanks 😎

  • @russhall4780
    @russhall4780 Před 4 měsíci

    Great info, Gordy! Hey, I'm looking to have some port work done on a brand new 500i. I am here in eastern WA. Do you have any recommendations on someoneto use? I'd sure love to have you do it if your willing. Thanks!

  • @alansmith5690
    @alansmith5690 Před rokem +1

    Is your right angle head a Foredom product? Not seen one like that before.

  • @go2ground
    @go2ground Před rokem +1

    Hey YO ! Would you guys port my 500i ? Basically already ordered dogs , air filter kit and suspension kit from you guys, now I just need that engine work 💪🏻💪🏻

  • @richardflagg3084
    @richardflagg3084 Před rokem +4

    Well said Gordy. A little machine work and a little grinding goes a long way. I think we've all hogged a cylinder out and went backwards as we were learning. That Jacobs 261 on the bench?

    • @westcoastsaw1368
      @westcoastsaw1368  Před rokem +4

      Thank you Richard that is Jacob’s 261 he wants to put the OEM 261 muffler back on it John had put a 026 muffler on it with pipes and it’s coming loose so we are going to swap
      Also just gave you a follow and started watching your videos lots of great info 👌

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084 Před rokem +1

      @@westcoastsaw1368 Thanks!

    • @cajun3197
      @cajun3197 Před rokem +2

      Hey Rich! Glad you recommended Gordys channel. Living in the swamps is the same as under a rock apparently lol

  • @ScottWConvid19
    @ScottWConvid19 Před rokem

    I'm thinking about having my 441 ported. Could you give me any advice as to how I can find someone that does a good job with porting?
    My thoughts were to call some tree companies and ask around.🤷‍♂️

  • @jamesmooney5348
    @jamesmooney5348 Před rokem +3

    Nice. Transfer work?

  • @mikeclement5383
    @mikeclement5383 Před 7 měsíci

    15:35ish mark. To further help explain this, it's like a smooth ball travelling through the air and why golf balls have dimples.

  • @charminghollowforge1109
    @charminghollowforge1109 Před rokem +2

    Wish I would’ve seen this video a month ago 😢 found some other channels and it was just as simple as grind and polish according to them now I got useless saw. My fault for not researching more.

  • @kenturmon3660
    @kenturmon3660 Před rokem

    Nice to see a decent port job. Most on yt are really
    Bad

  • @stevenhalford3961
    @stevenhalford3961 Před měsícem

    I used to build and race F2 and F 3 Grand Prix 2 strokes. Primarily the TZ250 and the RS125. My question to you is, do you ever CC the heads or stuff the cases?

  • @jamesmooney5348
    @jamesmooney5348 Před rokem +3

    Sweet

  • @Gary-ce2hk
    @Gary-ce2hk Před 7 měsíci +1

    What about spark plug timing to intake. Does it matter?

  • @donjohnson9170
    @donjohnson9170 Před rokem

    Have questions what do you think on blow down this 70 cc and bigger saw A long blow down made more. hp. Or short blow down make more hp. And the way I look at short blow 18 deg or less

  • @HighMountainNewfoundlands

    I want to see your trucks… chev and ford.

  • @wolverinebear5357
    @wolverinebear5357 Před rokem

    Have you ever used the little buffing wheels an compounds to polish to a fine mirror?

    • @Rob-tl9md
      @Rob-tl9md Před rokem

      that actually slows velocity.

  • @Maniacal_Saw_Works
    @Maniacal_Saw_Works Před rokem

    Another thing is a lot of people who are new don’t realize that older cylinders and saws don’t really need shit to make them stout.

  • @gordonauld5945
    @gordonauld5945 Před 3 měsíci

    Thanks that's what I whonted to know.

  • @juledoren
    @juledoren Před 10 měsíci

    Wish a shop could do it for me 😉

  • @EduardoHernandez-kq4fm
    @EduardoHernandez-kq4fm Před 11 měsíci

    Is there there any way I can get you to work on my 066 or someone that you will recommend for work like yours?

  • @PrevishHomeandTreeServices
    @PrevishHomeandTreeServices Před 5 měsíci

    Have you ported an 881 mag yet? And could I ship to you guys a saw to port for me?

  • @kylebakker7017
    @kylebakker7017 Před rokem +2

    Hey Gordy, do you do porting for the public? I run a Stihl 461 and its a great saw, but a little more go fast is always nice.

    • @westcoastsaw1368
      @westcoastsaw1368  Před rokem

      I don’t sorry about that

    • @kylebakker7017
      @kylebakker7017 Před rokem +1

      @@westcoastsaw1368 no need to be sorry man, Im sure you are busy enough. The bark box alone did wonders for that saw. Your products are great, keep up the good work.

    • @JS-oy6nn
      @JS-oy6nn Před rokem +1

      @@kylebakker7017 I can point you in the right direction if you’re looking for a reputable builder. I use Kevin LaVanway you can look up his channel. He schedules a month out but can build whatever you need for whatever you are cutting. Excellent standup guy. He’s done 7/8 saws for me.

    • @forrestwright5981
      @forrestwright5981 Před rokem

      @@JS-oy6nn I agree, XS saws are runners for sure.