How Has Fare Evasion Become The Norm in Melbourne?
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- čas přidán 22. 06. 2024
- From my personal experience, fare evasion has been very common in Melbourne. I always wanted to find out why this is the case. Follow me on a journey as we explore reasons behind why people evade fares and how fare evasion has become a societal issue in Melbourne.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction
0:29 - How It All Started
1:17 - Some Quick Research
2:19 - Nonchalant Station Staff
4:11 - Collaborative Citizens Escaping Inspectors
4:44 - Personal Experience + Statistics
5:14 - Finding Ticket Inspectors
7:19 - Conclusion: What Have Found?
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for me i think its because of the high price, i’ve lived in brisbane for almost 2 years and literally everyone taps on the bus even though there are literally no inspectors in brisbane, bus fares were $1.3 for students and $2.7 for non concession, ever since i moved to melbourne i couldn’t be bothered to tap as well, seeing it’s a $5 flat rate to go anywhere even when i’m just going a few stops, $70 a week for public transport is crazy
same as when i visited sydney, the fares were fairly priced and easy to use since you could use use apple pay and i barely saw any fare evaders
You can get a 28 day myki pass for $168 but yeah - still exxy imo
It's only $5 if travelling in zone 1 or near the city.
It is cheaper on weekends, public holidays, early morning and after 6pm
If you travel less than two hours in total, you still only get charged $5, bringing the total per week to $35, which is still insane.
in toronto canada (adult prices) its $3.30 with 2hr transfer, $13.50 day pass or $156.00 monthly pass. but its only the toronto transit, not any neighbouring cities or the regional rail. regional rail is way more expensive as its completely zone based unlike torontos.
The trains and trams in Melbourne are operated by private and foreign companies, who have no competition within the city, so fare evasion is more like denying a company of its revenue and less like tax evasion. The service here is also not cheap or frequent in comparison to other cities around the world. Compare with Singapore: a pass here is $168 for 4 weeks, while in Singapore you'd pay maybe $50 for the same period. In Melbourne you can wait up to 40 minutes on weekends, while you won't wait longer than 10 minutes in Singapore. And if you take the tram or bus you'd better add an hour onto your trip to account for the delays. It's just a bad deal, and sometimes I feel like a sucker for paying honestly
funnily enough I spend 13 years of my life in Singapore HAHAHA! YES HUGE COMPARISON indeed and Singapore has one of the best transport networks in the world. I agree that Australia is definitely on the pricy side and quality wise meh... my thought on this is that the country is very vast and barely populated, and a lot of it is on self-consciousness of people to pay...
Melbourne boasts affordable public transport, ranking among the top 10 cities globally for its low fares after adjusting for several factors. Australia holds the highest minimum wage globally, leading to higher operating costs for services, compensated through commuter payments and government subsidies. Comparing Melbourne to Singapore is not entirely fair due to Singapore's smaller size and higher GDP, enabling greater resource allocation to public transport infrastructure. Additionally, Singaporeans heavily rely on public transport due cars, registration and associated taxes costing about 10x more than Australia, the average vehicle in Singapore is about $120k compared to $40k in Australia. Melbourne doesn't need a public transport system akin to Singapore, as demand is lower, and the associated funding and costs far outweigh potential benefits. These factors themselves make a $5 trip fairly reasonable especially if you are of the working class.
Singapore is a ridiculous comparison- it is a tiny city state. Australia is almost as big a US with 7% of the population and a driving culture
@@user-oe1nt4pp8n oh hey ChatGPT. You don't address my points here actually, simply stating the costs are 'affordable'. I say they are not, especially when you consider the quality of the service. The fact the government has failed to allocate sufficient resources (and partially privatised it) is not a reason to accept the state of things.
@@90nomads We were talking about Melbourne metro PT here, but now I'm interested to know if Australia's national network holds up to any relevant comparison. I'd be surprised, but does it?
Interesting, maybe its resentment of the public transport system. Myki is a garbage system with poor mobile support and general train service within Melbourne is just kinda poor. Why pay for bad service?
Ye definitely a lot of resentment in Melbourne
The buses are the worst, why pay so much to travel 5 km on a bus that's nearly half an hour late?
I've often wondered about the cost of collecting, maintaining, administering and enforcing the fare system vs. the amount collected. I'm sure there's a profit, but maybe not as much as one might think.
Ye hahah I wonder that too… would be interesting to find out
Fares are really to help subsidise the cost of public transport, not to make a profit. In fact, PT is seen as a service.
Your question would be pertinent to costs vs revenue. I, too, wonder if there's any great benefit. Revenue was just under $1 billion before the pandemic. It then dropped to 267m in 2021 before rising to 350m in 2022. Doubtful now it will ever return to 1b. Who knows about the operational costs to collect it!
I think the inspectors may not always check tickets but as in this case their presence may incite evaders to scan tickets in case the inspectors decide to check. Or the inspectors may have been on their way to another area that they had been assigned to check, and that they were perhaps not assigned to the check that train
hahah yesss! always multiple roles played by the inspectors
Maybe they have just been getting from work 🤷
It's because of the high price plus the fact that it's so easy to get away with it, I usually pay on trains and late night buses so they don't cancel those services but if I am on a bus or tram for like 1 or 2 stops I am not tapping on and paying $5 just to be on for a few minutes
insightful
The network as a whole just sucks. It's incredibly expensive, trams are always packed like sardines, the train network goes down at even the slightest gust of wind, buses are always 10-20 minutes late (or in a case of one that's near me, goes off route on a daily basis), you can't top up a myki on a bus any more, and not to mention the lack of iPhone support, something that PTV should be able to easily afford the fees for when they're fining you nearly $300.
if you want to try get an inspector to check your ticket, try the V/line trains. The conductor usually checks your ticket.
I think that's conductors, they can't fine people. But I'm aware there's authorised officers as well.
@@sebastianzhangyxthey will touch you on, if you say you have forgotten too.
The problem is government privatisation of everything and transfer these departments off to profit driven enterprise.
Given the option I’m not paying for service that doesn’t show up or is overcrowded.
It's not really the operators fault if a train is overcrowded?
Funny that privatization can be attributed as a reason of nobody caring about fare evasion...
I mean. Isn't it even a worse loss of revenue for the private for-profit companies to turn a blind eye on fare evasion?
@@davidfreeman3083They got rid of all the conductors around the same time they privatised the network, when Jeff Kennett's government was on a spree taking a sledgehammer to everything
@@trainjedi9651 It the operator's fault, what? Who else could it be? They decide what services to run. They could double the services and double the capacity if they desired.
@@Squiddy00 Unless you're talking about OACs, the operators don't decide what services to run, they (in theory) run the services they are contractually obliged to by the DfT. Increasing service or train lengths isn't that simple either, in both cases you need more trains (which are expensive) and more staff, nevermind that some stations on a route might not have long enough platforms for a longer train.
I don't do it but it's definitely normal now, especially on buses and the driver's don't care.
Ye, kinda surprising tbh when they have to have people specially to enforce the tickets, a lot of countries the bus drivers would get really mad, especially in Asia where my background is from
bus drivers aren't allowed to care anymore because company policies of most melbourne bus companies are to just not engage
it didn't used to be this way, ventura drivers were required to hassle passengers about tickets but it caused far too much abuse (czcams.com/video/ET0Jy_hS8zc/video.html) and nowadays it isn't worth copping extreme amounts of abuse over 2 or 3 dollars. generally the most you'll see them do nowadays is hit the evasion button on their myki control panels (for analytics), but most don't bother to do that either.
@@sebastianzhangyx the drivers are specifically told not to do anything because there's too many aggressive junkies out there
They don't want a confrontation or worse. They don't get paid enough for that and they won't win.
They get paid the same regardless of how many people touch on or off so I'm not sure why they'd care in the first place
I’ve noticed in Canberra post COVID that the bus drivers have stopped refusing to let people on the bus who say “I’ve lost my ticket” or “I tried to charge my ticket with the machine, but it didn’t work”
The staff at the barriers’ job is to help people get through, eg elderly people or tourists who don’t know how it works. Their job is not to check tickets or enforce it in any way. That is the job of the Authorised Officers (inspectors).
A respectful reminder to do your research before assuming people’s jobs.
If it was their job to check tickets, they wouldn’t let you through like that.
That’s different to here in England
In many places around the world, their job is to also check tickets and ensure fares are paid.
the truth and most people wont admit it for fear of appearing racist, its just a cultural difference. in east asian countries this kind of ambiguous/permissive rule breaking is offensive to them and bothers and over here thats just not how it is. im not attached to things the way they are here maybe one day our culture will look more singapore but thats not how it is today. i hope this guy (who made the video) never finds himself in a position of power it seems like he would be cruel and gutless
@@Trainrhys cool.
@@jxrrqd8851 cool. not in Melbourne though.
you shoud do a racial analysis
true its pretty commonly accepted that myki inspectors target international students because as an international student, you aren't allowed to get a domestic concession card. the international concession card costs a fixed yearly fee and unless you max out every day its mostly just a scam, and full fare mykis are just way too expensive like $5.30 to go 2 tram stops is unreasonable
myki inspectors suck im pretty sure its just racism at this point
Bro how does this guy still only have 600 subs. He deserves more so ima sub.
Yayyy thank u:))
This is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen about not just fare evasion, but also about Melbourne Public Transport. Please do more!
Glad to see transport enthusiasts like you love this kind of videos, will keep this in mind for future videos:)
Great video. In country areas, our tickets are now subsidised very heavily, enabling us to travel to the city, but once there, the confusion of the suburban transport system is totally out of my depth. I ask every driver how to clock in, forget to clock off.........blah,blah. Yes, people in Melbourne that I known never pay for fares, but most of my friends are homeless or struggling, so I can understand why, but it is just sport for most. Glad that I left 45 years ago. Was a nice place then!
wow things must have been quite different back then from the sound of it!
I was almost caught by PSOs at the exit of a station travelling without a valid ticket (i normally touch on, especially on trains but i almost missed my train and didn't have time to get my myki out of my bag), I pretended to touch off but they suspected something, they asked me to show them the myki and touch it on the scanner, then let me go thinking I had in fact touched off
HAHAHHAHA BIG BRAINNNN
Would've been too funny if they caught you.
Honestly I don't see the problem, Melbourne is already a ridiculously expensive city to live in, the lax measures of fare compliance should not be an issue for most people, I don't see why anyone would want to volunteer to pay a fair if you can evade it with ease...
yeah, if we can have a system that allows people who can't pay to get where they need to go, while also making it likely enough that people can pay will, that is the best system. its also why fines are the wrong way to enforce it, because the people who can pay the fine would have enough money to pay for the fare, but fining someone who cannot pay will only ruin their lives more.
And the reason why things are so ridiculously expensive is pretty much the same as why it’s expensive in San Francisco. It’s because the City is expecting the rich to subsidise all the a-holes who exploit the system.
The same happens in India. Only 3% of the population pays tax. The rest have to subsidise, 97% of the population.
It has very little to do with how much it costs because the last 10 people I saw evading fares were all earning more than $100,000 a year. So it has nothing to do with how much people feel they are being ripped off and all about How dishonest people are
When I was earning eight dollars a week, my train fare cost me three dollars a week. I did that for 10 years, and never tried evading… Why? Because I’m not dishonest. But those were the days when people did everything for the common Good, and not because they are selfish .
Oh boo hoo the poor rich @@AlphaGeekgirl
Melbourne is cheap
@@chrisduffy8978 wrong
Cool report! There is a guy in New York, Cash Jordan who just did a video about fare evaders in the NYC subway LOL. Your editing and filming are really good! Good luck with your channel!! Kepp it up! Greetings from Canada! :)
thank you so much for the support :)
In Berlin our fare evasion rate is one of the highest in germany, at 5%. The reason why its so low is because public transit is a pretty cheap subscription here, no tapping on or off
the Deutschlandticket rules!
Very nice video! In my view, one of the biggest factors is the price/structure of the ticketing system in Melbourne. A two hour journey from regional Victoria to the city costs $5, the same price as a two stop journey in the city. If you go over that two hour time limit, you get charged $10, so if you took a train one stop in the morning and two stops in the afternoon, that would be $10, which is a lot for two small trips!
yea... sounds like a good suggestion, distance based fares might make more sense since a lot of short distance travellers will just evade fares...
It's meant to be $5 all day.
Pretty sure it is because that's all I pay and I'm not special
@@MartintheTinman It's $5 for 2 hours and $10 for the rest on a full fare, concession is half price. If you travel one stop on a tram in the morning and then two stops on a train in the afternoon, you would have paid $10 for taking two short trips in a day.
@@zaclennane oh, that's right.
I forget that some people are caught up living for work.
I don't work, only a peanut works.
The Dole paid for my house and my two registered vehicles.
It's also paying for me to go to Adelaide to enjoy Christmas with my family.
You keep working.
I'm making good use of your taxes
@@zaclennane just out of curiosity why do you have four subscribers and how often do you create a new channel?
Do the four subscribe to each new channel?
And OMG you took a risk to get a fine for this video, that is dedication!!
thank you!! was very fun making this
He actually HAD tapped on, he was lying to the gate guy
@@timor64 indeed HAHAHA… pretended to have evaded fares for that scene
This is a problem everywhere…I suspect partly because transit companies are faceless, just like electric or water or gas companies and there is no transparency in rates…it’s a natural monopoly…and fares seem to be so random…so even the employees don’t care that much…also the nicer the system the less rigorous the enforcement I’ve noticed…just something to consider…
Nice video, this is what we need
I tried haha! Been something I always wanted to film
Man tapped on in the free tram zone 😢
hahah all for the video... now I'm gonna be called all sorts of stuff in those fare evasion Facebook groups :)
You tap on in free tram zone if your journey ends outside the free tram zone !
everywhere is the free tram zone if you don't tap on 😌
Great video my friend. Subscribed, and look forward to more great videos 😁
Welcome to the gang😎
It’s such an interesting issue. I think it comes from a bit of entitlement too. People think they have the right to use this transport without thinking that it actually costs a lot to run and maintain - it doesn’t just exist by itself! Anyway love the videos, keep up the good work!
haha thank you for the support:)) glad u enjoyed it too
well the problem is when the system is both private operated by infrastructure is government owned, my taxpayer dollars already pay for the stupid network to barely operate properly, so why should I pay some foreign operator extra for the privilege to use a network my taxes already pay for
Post covid, they've been checking tickets a lot lesser. Also, they don't want to keep attending court in case an offender challenges the fine.
During covid we were told it 'wasn't covid safe' to use the front door of buses or touch on, so most people didn't. Compliance on buses was WAY higher before covid
Awesome job on the vid!!
SPECIAL THANKS TO THIS BEAUTIFUL HUMAN BEING WHO FILMED THIS VIDEO FOR ME ❤
back in the days you could buy a large variety of different tickets suited to different kinds of travelers and you could also buy short trip tickets fairly cheaply, most people where happy to pay for their fares back then because they were generally fair and reasonable, now its probably more expensive than owning a bloody car
This is why I love Melbourne, keep the rebellious culture alive. I paid Adobe to edit the pdf file of my water bill, then bring a old student ID with me. AOs had taken my name and fake addresses down multiple times but fines still haven’t reached me yet after 2 years. So glad I get to drive now and no longer have to use the shitty PT.
damn
The main reason is the fares are ridiculously high and unfair. It costs the same fare to go one station or 30 stations. The moronic government even extended in March 2023 the standard set fare to regional lines. So Melbourne to Geelong - a trip of 75 km and 1 hour duration - is $5. So is Melbourne to Richmond, just 3 km and 3 minutes away. It's completely bonkers!
I travel before 7 am so it’s free so I’m happy haha
Although to be honest if you get busted at least once and need to
Pay the fine. Basically is nearly a half a years worth of travel
yayyyyy HAHA we all love free stuff especially it's legally free .... :D
not if you travel many times a week, multiple times a day, @@peterk202
Ah yes, the old walking towards the ticket inspectors to get them to check you... maybe try walking towards them, lock eyes, get startled, and walk/run away and see if that works better? 😜
Aussies: "Let's build an entire nation from a base of convicted criminals"
Darwin:
(Oh. My bad. It's Melbourne. Not Darwin.)
It's definitely a societal issue everywhere. The idea that "it costs too much" or "I'm only going a few stops" are simply excuses people use to justify this level of "theft", and the reality is people evade fares simply because they can, nothing more nothing less, and having an extra $2 or $5 or whatever it costs for your transit is a better feeling. I see it all the time around here, and there really isn't any demographic that only does it, youth all the way to elderly, and I think part of the problem is people see others evading fares and there's a sense of "why should I pay fares then if half the people getting on this bus didn't" then when transit agencies raise rates to pay for service in the back of your mind you know that you're paying more because other people aren't paying.
Now one could make an argument that transit should be a public service, and as such is free, and sure there's absolutely an argument there, however not every public service is free in fact many of them have fees associated with them, transit just happens to be one of them.
Interesting video, its much the same in London with very little being done about fare evasion.
One time I forgot to touch on innocently and genuinely forgotten and I kid you not the next station they came on and into my carriage and I told them that I actually have forgotten but obviously didn’t believe me and so I got a fine. Like cmon but I took the L as what can I do. More recently I got checked on the train that I did touch on for but this time, I wasn’t even asked to prove my concession which I thought was strange as they always did in the past so now I’m starting to think even the train lines are becoming more slack but I still do not trust not touching on when on trains as most places you can even get in or out like the city or even main suburban stops.
very interesting to watch
Wait, why is the guy helping people tap out when they clearly didn't buy a ticket? 😂
Busses in the outer north and outer west of Melbourne are notorious for the lack of paying passengers. The drivers don’t stop them because they fear being attacked and hurt.
They aren't allowed to stop someone for catching a ride on a bus even if they don't pay is because a woman got raped when she didn't have a myki and the bus driver wouldn't let her ride the bus at night. I think this was 8 or 9 years ago now
When I was in highschool we had paper cards that had to be inserted into a machine. Glad I didn't have to use Myki. Fare evasion was pretty much non-existent. Then again it only cost about $3-4 to travel the whole day.
Compared with interstate fares, Melbourne is so expensive for a shabby public transport system - extremely overpriced for the service that's delivered.
As a tourist in Melbourne recently (visiting from all the way in Montreal), I tried my best to tap the myki card that I had bought, but I often couldn't properly tap it. I would put it hard on the reader and I would see the red light rather than the green. Pretty late in the game, before leaving Melbourne after a few days of being there, I learned from a staff person who helped me at Flinders Street Station that I need to tap it softly, though even afterwards (especially when my attention was elsewhere), I stuck to my old habits and the reader would keep on indicating red.
Outside observer here - I still remember ten years ago seeing posts about how strict Melbourne ticket inspectors were and the fact they were nicknamed terror (insert name of political party that rules Germany in the 30s and 40s). Interesting how things are now.
People with a season ticket don't have to click on and off.
So you've made a lot of assumptions and reached false conclusions.
Only if you have a ticket that involves activation on a day then you do have to click on and off.
Those who mainly do it are also pretty clued up on where and when they are most likely to get away with it. For example not many are going to try to evade on trams travelling to or via Universities for the reputation is that officers are either stationed at nearby stops or board a stop or two before the Unis. Also some know which stations aren't staffed and are unlikely to attract attention via their low passenger usage.
I remember about a decade ago, the Liberal state government was very very particular about fare enforcement. They make it like a business where inspectors carried EFTPOS machines to collect fines, camped at stations to hunt for easy targets or looked tourist (hence the inspector tracking group which is a legacy from that era), pinned down someone who tried to explain themselves, and drivers blatantly kicking passengers off buses. There was no free tram zone, so everyone else either walked or crammed onto the free City Loop. Melbourne seems to care too much about fare evasion when it wanted to that it was overkill, and then suddenly it flipped the other way round, and most likely it will flip the other way round in a few years again.
excellent video
i want more of your content, you've earned yourself a sub
yayyyy! so glad you enjoyed the content and thank you for the support :D
This is strange to me. I live in Brisbane. But last time I was in Melbourne, I was there for a day, and checked twice. I must’ve just been unlucky lol
Yeaaa it’s just unlucky sometimes, when I first came to melb I was checked, and then never been checked anymore for the past few years
Part of the reason nowadays for fare evasion (Coming from a PTV using Melbournian) is there's less and less places to top up a myki in person. After COVID, the buses stopped doing topups, and since you can get away with not touching on when there's no inspectors and in 99% of stations you don't need to worry, fare evasions are fairly common. I will admit I don't use my Myki unless I'm going into a city station, especcially as my family is not the best off and I can't afford $10 a day for my myki. When I was using my Myki on the bus back in primary school, I was going through $10 in two days and that adds up. And after COVID lockdowns ended and I couldn't top up on the bus anymore, I just gave up using it unless I was going to the city. I'm not travelling to Altona or Newport stations every two days to top up a myki, thanks. I top my Myki up when going into the city, nothing more
Yes I respect the ticket gates in the city (There's been a couple of times I've picked up one of my family's expired myki's by accident when going through the city so I have to pray I got the right mykis when sorting my cards out, I think I do)
In my 12 years of using public transport in Melbourne my ticket has only been checked once and I live along the lygon st and Swanston st corridor were I see uni students fair evading and rushing past inspectors
The normalisation of fare evasion goes back 25+ years when conductors were taken off trams and railway station staff were reduced/removed. The free tram zone in the city also promotes fare evasion. If you see others do it with no consequences, the "good feeling" you get for doing the right thing isn't reward enough.
Whats the music in the video with a violin/piano.
Interesting video!!❤❤❤
I love the HCMTs but they only belong to the Cranbourne Line and the Pakenham Line.
THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT❤❤❤
its because nobody should be okay with paying $74.20 per week to tram to and from central once a day
Great video mate, too may ferals in Melbourne that think laws dont apply to them
Don’t forget PSOs there’s normally a dozen at Frankston station chatting and drinking coffee all day 😢
please give me that job too haha
You missed the consumer price index vs ticket price inflation
Also: a private company that significantly reduced station staff, support and accessibility were replaced with private cops that harass students.
Why pay a multinational company to do a worse job?
I am 34, and I have hardly taken the train in the last 15 years, only very rarely, because I've mostly lived in areas that have terrible access to public transport. Fare evasion was widespread when I was a teenager taking the train everywhere. I did it too, because I had no income at all (and parents wouldn't give me money for anything, they also didn't really like that I was staying out late a lot). This was before Myki, when we still had the paper tickets. I remember it being kind of scary, and I always was alert for ticket inspectors. But my friends and I had a system where we would come up with fake details and memorise each others' fake details, so that when the ticket inspectors called somebody to confirm our identity (being under 18, we didn't have ID), we would give them the fake details. So we never got fines. We were all just dumb teenagers who pulled our few coins together to get a $10 bag of goon, and if I ever take the train nowadays, I pay because I can, even though it's obviously easy not to. I figure integrity is worth more than a few dollars, and it's kind of cheap compared to the amount of money driving drains out of your wallet, but I suspect that the fare evasion culture has only grown ever more entrenched since they did away with conductors in the 90s. It appears just too easy to not pay.
good video but i was thinking about the percentage of people who fare evade on trains as opposed to those who fare evade on trams and buses im betting trams and buses its way higher but on trams its way more common to see inspectors at work and actively inspecting tickets
people rarely touch on on buses, mostly because the service is shit, trips are short and ticket inspectors non existent
It's free for seniors and concession card holders on sunday
Oh yes lol the staff at flinders street station will almost always open the gates for you if you ask, I used to hang out in the city a lot with a girl who never taps on and they always opened it for her no questions asked. And often I would enter the station without tapping on to get food or charge my phone and not tap on so I don't have to worry about leaving the station within 15 minutes to not get my myki charged and they always opened it for me too
There’s a couple of things you might have missed…. For people like me with a monthly ticket there’s no need to touch on or off if I don’t need to open a barrier. My Myki still shows up as valid for ticket inspectiors.
So lots of folk just walking past a reader without an actual gate could be Myki Pass holders.
Also, I believe inspectors get on a train at say, Richmond, check all passengers, then need to wait until they board a separate train to reckeck again. Otherwise they will be harassing all the people who are on the train for the whole journey.
But sure, they ought to just travel a few stops, check all tickets, then get on the next train and do the same, not spend ages travelling regularly the entire length of the line.
Plain clothes inspectors need to be put on the network more, they can manage to catch fare evaders, not those uniformed guys you see a mile away
Thanks for the feedback matt! :) Definitely some helpful tips to get plain clothes inspectors as well.
If you could help me out with a question, it would be greatly appreciated: I'm just in the process of planning out a new video about fare evasion-- regarding your point about not having to touch on or touch off, and still shows up as valid for inspectors, have you gotten any personal experience where inspectors let you off? Does this mean that as long as I purchase a pass and deliberately not touch on, that would still be technically legal and not getting fined?
Thanks a lot :))
@@sebastianzhangyx sure. Yes, if you get any sort of Pass, for a week or more, as long as you touch on ONCE and it gets activated, there’s no need to touch on or off afterwards, since that initial touch on activated it and begins the countdown to its expiry date.
Of course, I DO touch on and off mainly coz i need to go through barriers. But on trams for example I need never touch on. I’ve been checked by inspectors and no problem at all.
@@mattyb3662 Thank you so much for sharing the experience :)) really appreciate it
If Melbourne is costing $70 per week for public transport that’s insane
Where did you get $70 from? The current 7 day week full fare for anywhere in the electrified system in Melbourne is $53. (That includes metro trains, trams buses and small sections of vline trains.
Have you listened to the Skybus commentary as you reach the CBD which says "the tram network is free"
People with regional paper tickets can travel through the metro system on their paper ticket
some just refuse and see it as a challenge
Wow let’s go do the challenge together someday😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
@@sebastianzhangyx i'm too honest.
Melbournians have a long history of militantism when it comes to many things, including fare evasion. It’s not a new thing.
good public transport should be free
I have been yelled at by a bus driver before for taking an extra 3 seconds to touch on, it's not just accepted that people will fare skip but expected in Melbourne.
Fare evasion is the worst on the bus network as you very few inspectors on buses and they don't even hide so its easy to evade.
Can you still also use a paper ticket in Melbourne? That would explain why some people don't touch their electronic card. Here in London you can still use a paper ticket, which means when you use the barrier-less Docklands Light Railway you wouldn't touch your electronic card on the reader, making it look like you're not paying for your ride. But it would be okay if you had a paper ticket. (This wouldn't apply to the main Tube system where there are nearly always barriers).
no paper tickets left in Melbourne. There is day pass though for some people
I catch a train and tram every single day and have done for the last 10 + years. Ive never seen an inspector on the train and only very very rarely on the tram.
Strict monitoring and enforcement of fare evasion is more expensive than the loss in fares from a more lossy approach. The government is the one who pays for it anyway - your tickets are already subsidised. A lot of the people evading also wouldn't take PT if they weren't evading.
It'd be good to get fines scaled to incomes, but other than that don't worry about it. Chill out.
Go to Box Hill Station, there’s like an army of them there all hours of the day
If you go onto a v/line on the bendigo line, almost always the conducter will check your myki
will check it out someday! On Vlines usually they just make sure you have the ticket and not fine you I believe, unless there is authorised officers
@@sebastianzhangyxyes, on a vline conductors will check every passengers ticket almost every journey. However, if someone doesn’t have a valid ticket they will just be asked to get off the train with no punishment, as there are very rarely authorised offices on vlines
@@felixccorcoranthey actually will get a chance to tap on
I've noticed that on the Ararat line they check your ticket when departing Ararat but never do going to Ararat from Ballarat
people aren't tapping on because why should we have to pay for "public" transport which has continued to hike prices for the last 2 years despite being already funded by our tax dollars. and to put this into perspective its roughly $12 for a day into the city and then back out into the suburb. If you're someone who lives in the suburbs but works in the city, that's $60 every fucking week, assuming you work 5 days a week. Now take that figure, multiply by 4 (4 weeks in a month) then multiply by 12 (12 months assuming you take no holidays) and you've now paid $14,400 in fares, assuming you worked the entire year. in Australia, that's more than anyone working a normal job, would have to pay for their taxes, yet we're still getting taxed for the shitty service anyway.
"I don't like the fact food's expensive, so why should I have to pay for it?"
Also, 60*4*12=2,880, not 14,400.
If you ever been on a tram though, pan which tram line ticket inspectors do in fact inspect your tickets and also give people hefty fines. You're so find a majority of the people who get fines on trams, tend to be students and unsurprisingly the most to get inspected areas are generally places where students live or go to. For me personally, I have been pick first every time and it seems common practise to do so. i am surprise about the Metro as it is easily the simplest to enforce
Fares slow down the whole process anyway, there are alternative funding methods that can be used.
NYC Fare evasion is next level!
6:13 Assuming 40 hours per week, and 52 weeks per year, the $60,000 equates to under $30/hr. What am I missing that you said $200/hr? Is that the total per hour paid to 7 fare enforcers?
If they allowed iOS users to add myki to Apple Wallet or use debit cards to tap on I will happily tap, but until then I will not.
They have that in Sydney
This is a symptom / indication of the state of the whole of society these days. Also Businesses charge prices for low quality services. Prices go up, and the quality of goods and services go down.
Do this documentary in London. People bunk train fare all the time…
$5 for a 2 minute trip, there's no way I'm going to pay that. They're having a laugh. We have the technology to charge far more accurately and farely, based on km travelled, and yet the whole system is based on only 2 zones and 2 hr/daily blocks. When the fares are fair, I'll pay.
“Fair” evasion
The fares have become just too expensive
Idk why youtobe wants me to know why fare evasion is a problem on the other side of the world, but here I am
Sydney is the same, the inspectors will not check tickets or go to certain areas unless they have the police with them. Not worth the time for transport workers to fight with customers over fares as the company and police will not do much to help as well as most likley getting assaulted.
Sorry that is at least parial BS. I am checked on average once a month on Sydney trains. Usually there is one person in the carriage who has not paid and is issued a fine on the spot. Inspectors work in groups of four - two do upstairs, two downstairs, Never, ever seen cops accompany them.
There needs to be 2 different type of fares A short travel ticket maybe 3 or less stops on trains and an off peak travel fare
Perhaps inspectors could do the same services a few days in a row thereby messing with the people betting once caught it won't happen again for a long time. Have inspectors on multiple services at the same time so say Route 57 have inspectors on 5 trams in a row then the people that jump off and get the next tram have little choice.
In my opinion, fare evasion happens not because of a lack of morals as you seem to be presenting, but because of a disparity in wealth and unfairness of the fare system.
All the people I see evading fares actively (e.g. jumping over fare gates) are either of very low socioeconomic status, or just eshays trying to look "cool". Whenever there are fare gates, people usually pay. Station staff let people out of fare gates sometimes as you showed, but I believe they usually only stop repeated offenders doing this, as there are people that genuinely forget to tap on their mykis at the station that they get on at.
The people evading fares passively (e.g. not tapping on on buses/non fare gated stations) are the main problem as they comprise the most of fare evaders, but it should be understood that it's not just an issue of attitudes.
For one, the myki system is a piece of shit and it doesn't scan reliably, especially when using mobile myki with a NFC-capable phone. Even when they do work, it's seriously slow. People are pressured into not tapping, since tapping would mean they're slowing down the people behind them, or in the case of buses slowing down the entire bus because it has to wait for you to scan before it can depart.
Another point is the absurdity of the price. It's a flat fare of $10 per day (although there are some exceptions), and that means it's extremely unfair for those using PT for very short distances. I think people just find that insane and don't pay, since it's actively subsidising those that commute from the very distant suburbs.
I just feel that you are simply looking at this issue from a judgemental point of view and I don't think there's anything to be gained from that.
I saw a tram driver just tell passengers to get on and not worry about touching on because a Myki machine wasn't working lmfao
Seems like a genuine reason not to pay though, you literally can’t even pay
Back in the old ticket days I would sometimes buy a ticket sometimes not (poor uni student) but I would keep the tickets in my wallet one time just as I was to get off at my stop 3 AOs appeared asked for my ticket I didn’t have one that day so I said no problem grabbed the 30 40 tickets out of my wallet and promptly dropped all of them on floor going oh no it’s in there somewhere I need to keep them for tax purposes and I have to get out here for work. They let me quickly pick them all up and get off the train without checking them
I look the background music!
Our society is doomed. One day somebody starts to call fare policing discriminative or even racist against their fare evasion -centric culture. Then we must start to enforce equal rights for both the fare evaders and the fare policers. It will be difficult times from then onwards as the tax rates will get ever closer and closer to 101%.
Why are we paying the bonus of metro top brass, I pay my fairs but I think the public service should not be for profit and should be for the benefit of everyone run as a service not a business. I think that people would be more compliant if they paid cost for the fair rather than double bubble
We need food more even than we need transport, yet it would be absurd to suggest food should be a public service and not a business or that no-one should make profit from providing food.
*coughs in asian international student
I think interesting for tourist stay short term in Melbourne because any packages for tourist. But not interesting stay long therm if you havent proper job.
I believe it’s because of the corona and the way our society has gone to so now the bus drivers don’t even tell people to touch on otherwise no ride and not telling them NOT to get on from the back door. I think they’re worried from getting bashed coz I have witness that many years ago way before corona. I’m still shocked on how many people just get on the bus 🚌 without paying. Plus I remember that these workers went on strike simply because of the fare evasion means they weren’t getting paid enough.
people SHOULD be able to get on the bus through the back door after letting people off. It speeds boarding up.
thanks everyone for the support throughout the video! This video was made because I’ve seen a shocking number of fare evaders in Melbourne, so I just want to explore the reasons why this happens.
I personally do not have too much opinion on the political side - eg whether public transport should be free, whether we are paying too much etc, but would strongly encourage everyone to contribute to the discussions:)
Also notice how I touched on in the Free Tram Zone at 0:22 just to film this video for you guys⭐️