Slow motion Oberhau - 4 times slowed down, 190cm between front feet
Vložit
- čas přidán 14. 06. 2013
- The year 2011 for the article:
gesellschaft-lichtenawers.eu/t...
This video illustrates that the speed of the hand during a cut is much higher than a passing step although the performance is not flawless because of speed focus. The distance between the front feet is 190cm. It's a demonstration from a fixed distance and without any preparation movement. The cat lasts from the first signal cca. 250ms. 16.6ms = 1 frame
Sword 135cm, 1.7kg - Sport
Way to go, Anton! Very interesting to see your form. Thank you.
Nice to actually see the bio-mechanics of your wonderful vorschlag, instead of just feeling the impact of it on my fencing mask. ;-)
I'm sure many others would love to see a similar video showing your current oberhau technique =)
Cela illustre très bien ce que j'expliquait à savoir qu'à partir du moment où vous êtes en distance de frape et que vous n'avez pas déclencher votre coup initial, il est vivement recommander de ne pas rester en garde du toit. Le coup étant trop rapide pour faire une défense efficace. Notez que le défenseur ne cherche pas à faire un zwerchhau mais une parade simple type charrue. De plus notez la position de déséquilibre de l'attaquant qui semble miser sur un coup unique et non sur une possibilité d'ouvrage.
Oh finally another one of your amazing video :D
Imagine a Hollywood ending scene fight between main character an villain ends up like this one
This is an old video for one article purposes.
Interesting! Is your strike completely vertical?
Hello Andreas, this video is like it should be but, like it happened. There are flaw I am trying to eliminate now. It should only illustrate speed of sword and leg in oberhau. But thank you very much.
that's pretty sneaky. your right hand is placed a little lower for more reach
Its all over wiktenauer.com/wiki/Pseudo-Peter_von_Danzig Another advantage is better protection of the hand by angulation.
Anton, I realize this is mainly to demonstrate the speed that is possible with a strike like this. In a tournament environment when the fencer in Green saw the fencer in Black bobbing up and down looking like he was about to do something; Green should have stepped off-line and done something different. Part of what enabled this strike was Green standing still too long and letting Black set-this-up. Still, this was a very good video. Thank you for uploading it. :)
Yes. You are right. But this was purely about the demonstration of the speed from a longer distance. And mechanically it is wrong. It is 8 years old video. But of course in reality the green one should have been moving and not standing still.
Shouldn't you follow up with a combo?
Is it just me, or what the hit made with the flat of the blade. Is that a safety thing or what?
it is just you
I see it too. And no, if the hit were made with the flat, it is not a safety thing. That guy's fencing mask is robust enough to take a cut from the blunted edge.
Well, every one makes mistakes. thanks for the info.
bambooswordsman1 It's cool. These things happen. Stuff happens quickly. I'm sure this kind of thing actually happens a LOT, especially in tournaments, but no one is reviewing slow-mo footage during a bout (as they should NOT be doing)
He is not hitting with the flat he hits with the blade then turns the sword to lock.
Lol. Pause at 0:05 and feast your eyes on the very definition of an "over-extended attack" :D Although I'm not even sure if this is supposed to portray the correct way of doing an oberhau or not?
Kendo guys often use a similar "cheat" technique, over-extending even using the last inch of the grip for reach... once you get caught with it once you are on the lookout for it.
I am sad that you don't sell that mask cover anymore.
Can anyone tell me, how this would translate into MPH? or KPH?
It's a bit difficult since it's not a high speed recording, but going based on the 190cm distance and the 16.6ms per frame: the tip of the sword seems to take 4-6 frames to cross the 190cm (it's hard to see the sword tip, to be honest). So that's about 43-64mph (69-103kph). Assuming I didn't make a mistake.
In case you're still wondering five years later.
my friend said this speed is fast though,but still distance from rank 2 kendo guy in shanghai
These are steel swods, in Kendo we use bamboo.
Kendo guys often use a similar "cheat" technique, over-extending even using the last inch of the grip for reach... once you get caught with it once you are on the lookout for it.
@@kaizen5023 That said, the guy in green knows exactly what is coming, he knows theres only one thing Anton is going to do, and still struggles to parry it. Its just too fast
@@thomastucker7317 well, I guess he should have moved his feet to create an angle.
@@kaizen5023 Sure, but thats against the spirit of the demonstration. The demonstration is 'what is the furthest/fastest oberhau I can throw without it being parried', retreat, afterblows, follow ups, even mechanics of the strike as Anton describes full well, are irrelevant to the demonstration.
It's a very "tournamenty" oberhau, is it not? Super quick and long, but also unbalanced and it lands with the tip instead of CoP of the blade. The left foot in the air during the impact, so the strike doesn't carry a lot of power. It's basically punching the tip forward and flying behind it, not really a cleaving motion. But hey, it scores touches more consistently than a strong martially sound strike and receiving an afterblow just means it's a draw.
Ranziel1 it was an experiment many years ago. How fast could we go. It's not an example how to cut best oberhaw.
Oh, I see. Thanks! I still see a lot of people cutting that though, by shooting the tip forward. Which is kind of a shame.
Who told you that shooting the tip is bad technique?
Would still leave a nasty cut on that guys forehead, streaming blood down his face.
Shooting the tip isnt necessarilly bad technique, even for a Historical point of view. Not every cut needs to have emphasis on cutting the hardest. reach, speed and your own safety are things to take into account. Yes, the optimal Oberhau for maximum cutting power would strike with a further down part of the blade, but that doesnt mean that a more "rangey" and "instant" oberhau that hits with the tip isnt a viable technique as it still scalps your target's head well while coming from an unprecedent distance. By the way, in regards of "the foot not being in the ground landing with the cut" the speed of a oberhau is a dozen of times faster than the speed that any human being can take a step forward. That means that, in order to perform an optimal oberhau, carrying as much body mass as you can, that would require for your oberhau to be intentionally delayed, resulting in a far more predictable and "slow" strike, which may not Always be ideal even in a "not tournamenty" standpoint. Your point isnt invalid, but what is the "proper oberhau" is far more relative than what you're making it seem, it all depends on what's your intention: Do you want to be fast, rangey and snappy ? Or you want maximum cutting potential ? Because both things are useful in its due situations. (Obviously, the former oberhau is far more useful in a tournament standpoint, since its faster and less likelly to put you in danger.)... Aso, Worth noting, the oberhau shown in this vídeo, with the kind of hip-rotation and shoulder rotation that Anton is applying, in a duel, would easilly injure quite severelly a human being, even if the blade isnt landing timelly with the stepping nor striking with the center of percussion, from a bare-hands martial art point of view, its similar to throwing a straight right or a right hook punch, but with even more force being generated as there is also the "levarage" of the longsword's handle to add to it. Trust me, that would hurt someone real bad too. You people are making it seem like Longsword fighting is more black and White than it actually was (in my opinion). We see in the treatises MANY strikes that are quick and ment to just wound instead of having a focus on being as deadly as possible. Sometmes, its wise to sacrifice a bit of your "deadlines" in order to achieve a safer, faster strike that is less likelly to be defended or parried. Lets not forget, that in 16th century germany duels even had phases in which you were not allowed to use certain techniques yet in order to not be a deadly duel right off the bat. (Thrusting, for instance.) And lets not forget that opening a huge cut on your oponent's head, even if not cleaving through skull, could still win you a fight in the long-term.
Lightning cut. If done right none can defend.
Which period manuscript shows this terribly unbalanced footwork?
Which period manuscript tells you it's terrible?
@@pooly5280 My point is, that it is a general martial arts *principle* in Eastern and Western arts that you do not overreach and overextend your weight forward while balancing on one foot, so that you do not get yourself in a situation where you cannot recover. As George Silver said in his 1599 "Brief Instructions upon my Paradoxes of Defence", quote: "The third and forth governors are a twofold mind when you press in on your enemy, for as you have a mind to go forward, so must you have at that instant a mind to fly backward upon any action that shall be offered or done by your adversary." The corollary can be found in martial arts systems around the world, and this video violates that basic martial principle. That is all.
It´s totally fine. If u see 1.33 they are almost all the time on the tip of their feet almost like boxers... And my experience is that works well. I used to get rid of that more rigid guards.