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Can a F117 kamikaze sqaud beat an us carrier group
Kortana did manage to ram her face into carrier : czcams.com/video/tvZRxANjzkQ/video.html
Na I would like to see more like f 111 kamikaze gourp vs carrier group
the f117 is retired, youd have to get them out of the bone yard. it was retired a decade ago or so.
@Aleksandar Z yeah your one creative guy blew his entire load shooting down one plane, congrats while we churn out fifth-gen fighters and explore space etc
@@nutsackmania we're* first to build and fly The World's First 6th generation Fighter, dont worry about that backwards thinking sheepeople he thinks he's being clever by taking jabs at The F-117 and you truth is he's making a fool of em self bc we have way better stealth technology and like you mentioned The United States Space Force! Newest Branch to our military so that's what's going on while that d'bag is stuck in the past👍
“Good luck dodging that mate. Oh damn, he’s done it.” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I remember watching a documentary about F-117s in the Gulf War outrunning intercepting fighters and missiles.
@@whousley I would love to see that documentary. Considering the F-117 is a subsonic aircraft; I don’t know how they would out run an interceptor or missile.
@@Dave-gd1mw Yeah...I meant F111. An hour later when I realized I'd gotten the numbers mixed up I tried to find the comment to edit it but I couldn't see it listed.
Thanks for catching it.
@@whousley lol. No worries. I can see that with a F-111.
A Star Destroyer, a Silkworm, and a Spanish Lighthouse enter a bar.
Spanish Lighthouse ftw
That was funny that a entire carrier group almost ram the light house because they didn't wanted to change course
@@ser43_OLDC doubtful. All those ships have their own navigation teams. For all of time to miss a lighthouse is impossible. But the story is an old joke told with many variations
@@ser43_OLDC its not true.its a story that changes every few years.
@UCr_pafDt1U1YBWqzZyE0leQ it used to a new zealand lighthouse in the story.the story goes back to a time when in one telling its a battleship not a carrier.
Nobody thought that the Russians would use MiG 31s for an orbital bombardment.
Hehe What I hadn't made sense of is why the latest Mig31s got upgraded to use Kinzhal missiles.... but this video gives a bit of insight why.... the Mig31s caused absolute mayhem...so now have a few of em launch hypersonic anti-ship missiles amongst a wall of long range AAMs....and ummm... ... now I understand what their role is a bit more (in an anti CVBG context)
@@martinpalmer6203 IMHO Russian is using cost effective doctrine to beat US CSG. 10 hypersonic kinzhal missiles would do the job just fine.
They don't need massive naval fleet since they are very defensive against NATO hence why we see Russians are downsizing their naval fleet to buy and maintain more missiles to cripple NATO's ability for offensive operation unlike what all those armchair generals think that Russia is weak (truth be told, they have way different doctrine than us).
@@martinpalmer6203 not only that . After they fire no aa or interceptor can even keep up
Russians recently launched a Kinzhal at Ukraine and they hit Russia. Not very accurate
That MiG-31 mod makes me wanna cry we dont have a proper module. Looks so much fun fighting in it.
The full fidelity for MiG-31 is called "Bus Simulator" :)
@@staubsauger2305 Well, Russian pilots call it "Locomotive".
Yeah that was an eye opener... for me that superceded expectations.
The Carrier did remarkably well too .. but this is the essence of what the Tu22m was meant to do.. be fast enough, long ranged enough and carry missiles potent enough that it can strike carrier groups and run away, with a reasonable expectation to get back home alive.
The STOT attack is a real tactic they trained to use.
People might not like it, but this is what those specific elements Russian Naval Aviation services trained to do, most of which got rolled into the Russian Airforce.
There is a lot of depth to the strategy as well, its not just about swarming missiles, its. using various platforms to completely swamp defenses and sow confusion, so they don't know who to target 1st.
Sorry if anyone doesn't like the result... but thats exactly what those units have trained to do.
@@martinpalmer6203
The only hope is this is still 1980s Russians
Even AEGIS and Standard are that old
A squad of Paams equipped anti air destroyers would be interesting, one missile one kill, no messing.
Even if you're stuck with the Type 45 and it's 48 Aster-30s and 24 CAMMs that's 48 SAMs that really shouldn't ever miss until they're a generation behind.
Given 144 of them, that's a considerable defense.
The CAMMs would be above to shoot down Soviet class weaponry, anything after that generation becomes key.
Most things they can catch but they are strictly point defense, you shoot it down or sacrifice the ship to save the carrier, like Coventry.
The PAAMS' system's sensor fusion is impressive too, it'll fight from a cohesive picture of all the local units radars, not wasting ammunition by tasking multiple interceptors to single targets.
Of course, that all depends on prior experience fighting these systems
The crew must have confidence that they only need to fire a single interceptor per target, not ripple fire them like AEGIS needs.
Honestly, I don't know why America doesn't just buy PAAMS.
@@MostlyPennyCat No missile is close to 100%, even vs 1940s German V2s, theyd still miss a significant number.
Actual numbers on the Patriot were revealed to be in the mid to low 40% range against Scuds.. AMRAAM sits around 55% but pretty optimal conditions where the targets lacked situational awareness.
Its pretty much a given they'll fire 2 or 3 SAMs at every inbound when the missiles are both moving so fast & have warheads like the KH22 does... because a hit from a single leaker will kill most warships.
SO With a 48 missile battery you can deal with maybe 24 missiles, at best, and even then you'd probably have a few leakers.
The benefits of raw speed for inbound missiles cant be overstated, because you can't simply fire 1 missile, wait for the result & fire another.. if you do that the inbound is likely terminal before the 2nd defense missile lands.
What isnt modeled in DCS... if a Mach 2 Anti shop missile is within 2 miles of a ship and its hit.. chances are the debris still does a whole lot of damage to the target ship, because kinetic energy means the bulk of the mass continues onto the target....
Hypersonics take it to a completely new level, a 400kg warhead travelling at Mach 9 has 2.5 times the kinetic energy of a 16inch shell from an Iowa class battleship.
So the Hypersonics are an order of magnitude more deadly than previous gens.
Honestly with the range increases of the last few generations of missiles and the massive increases in speed ..m shipboard defenses are going to struggle to keep up..
I think we are entering a new era of Missiles which are damned near impossible to stop.
Lasers won't do it because of the physical limitations atmosphere ... they can't destroy targets at ranges long enough to matter..
I dont know the solution, just that it seems the pendulum is swinging more and more towards offensive systems which are incredibly effective at doing their job. .
Id go so far as to predict the days of the Carrier being the dominant force are already on the way out.
Missile tech is just vastly outstripping defensive tech right now.
A better question might be, "Can Russia fuel and arm an entire air wing and somehow get them to all start and take off at the same time?"
And the answer is... no. No it cannot.
Which is why their Soviet era Carrier has never proved worthy for combat because they can’t effectively operate and conduct missions.
However, America was doing this since 1927 when the first carrier rolled out.
@@MilitaryMatters1 Russia has proved that they cannot wage conventional warfare against a near peer opponent on their doorstep, likely due to corruption and incompetence. It is also possible that modern warfare against a peer opponent is super difficult. The only stick they can wave is the nuclear one, provided their nukes actually work as intended. As a counter argument, how well would a US invasion of Canada go? Probably not very well
Exactly
Which make you wonder if their ICBMs work, since the US spends tens of billions a year in upkept just to keep them working.
@@berengerchristy6256 what? Why would we invade Canada? We’re buddies.
Watching and heard Cap pose a question “How good is stealth against a ground radar?” Depends on the radar system and the radar operators really. There’s a true story from one of the Farnborough Airshows and how the UK radar system tracked the B2 long before the Americans thought it could be.
Basically the UK LARS (Low Altitude Radar System) is part of the UK Air Defence Radar, but during peace time it’s used to assist the civil aviation community to warn of birds near aircraft. When the US contingents asked how they managed it, given the B2 has a radar X section of a large bird (apparently), the LARS operator just turned and said “Birds don’t fly at 250knots!” Gotcha.
It is sooo much up to the operators of course!
Very good example is F-117 and it's deployment in Iraq and then in SR Yugoslavia.
Even thou Iraqi AD was with same equipment and in greater numbers than Yugoslav army they didn't manage to score one single hit on F-117.
When talking about seeing a stealth, do you know about private German radar making firm and how they managed to track an F-35 for quite some time?
@@njegosh1 No haven’t heard that. Will look it up, sounds very interesting.
@@Haywain I will send you link, hang on for several minutes. Very interesting stuff
@@Haywain I have tried to send you this link i was talking about TWICE but for some reason YT isn't happy about it.
@@njegosh1 No problem. I’m sure I’ll find it on a search. 😀
"I want my F-14" Dire Straits.
Repeat this with a wing of F-14B Tomcats intercepting.
football commentator and war sim, i love this combo
22:11 *THAT WAS SO DAMNED EPIC*
You do know that by flying supersonic your heat signature goes way up and your stealth way down. Flying nap of the earth rather than at 40,000" also improves you stealth.
This was honestly an amazing fight. Absolutely outgunned and they still did a hell of a job defending. I wish they properly modeled US Carriers defensive abilities, but eh. It's not a naval sim but an aircraft sim. Wonderful video.
They need to model ships to take maneouvres to best aid defence, e.g bringing to best arcs highest probability hit etc.
one of his newer videos has the carrier properly go flank speed and take off and the escorts hold the line that does a much better job
Seems like the fighter cover streaming in one at a time rather than taking up defensive formation and engaging selective targets tips in the favor of the aggressor quite a bit too
They also have ECM, CIWS, and Sea Sparrows. Plus, getting a missile past the destroyer and cruiser would be impressive..
@@TylerWardhaha Yep. Ships have Flares, Chaff and radar decoys. Don’t know why the sea sparrow which a US carrier fleet has in massive numbers wasn’t mentioned at all.
Good luck at dodging that mate! Oh damn, he's done it!!!! Priceless!!!
"Fully mission capable" as opposed to "in inventory" when it comes to the Bones. The B1 is a maintenance queen. The low number of FMC aircraft is because they are constantly being rotated through depot maintenance, waiting for parts, etc. It's a low FMC rate.
I wonder how many Tu-22Ms are FMC.
@@tomriley5790 Not a lot, I'd bet. Back during the Cold War, the Soviet government actually considered suing Tupolev because of the atrocious quality of the TU-22M aircraft being produced. They had a reported FMC rate of 30% back in 1991, and I bet time hasn't been especially kind to them. There's 63 Backfires still in service with the Russians, and I would be surprised if they could get more than 6 FMC at any one time.
@@EvolvedTactical Lol I'm pretty sure Stalin wouldn't have bothered with suing :-)!
thx
@@tomriley5790 he did put on show trials at least :-p
This was epic! Thank you Cap and Simba, and hope Cortana is alright
I was pretty bummed to end up missing this one, but I am feeling much better now :)
In regards to the B-1 mission capabilities. That statement is very inaccurate because they didn't look at the MC rate for the entire year, just at one particular moment when it was at its lowest. When they said 6 B-1s where fully mission capable that means all systems on those 6 jets were fully operational for any situation. That doesn't mean only 6 jets are flyable. Other B-1s could be used depending on mission requirements. In 2019 the B-1s were going through some heavy overhauls to improve their longevity. They also just had a couple of fleetwide stand downs due to ejection seat issues. They had also been deployed to the middle east pretty much non-stop prior to 2019 and it started to take its toll. If you look at any aircraft they will always have minor problems that are going to prevent them from being 100% mission capable. It's no surprise that a 40 year old jet requires a lot of upkeep. My expertise is based off of 6 years as a B-1 maintainer.
thx!
The point stands that its no more unrealistic using 20-30 Tu22ms than a similar number of B1,
Not when they have almost the exact same number in service, except with over 500 Tu22m's having been built, its likely the Russians aren't short on spare parts to keep them flying.
Remember the TU22M was more a Maritime Strike aircraft, so it doesn't have the same requirements as a Strategic Nuclear bomber in terms of needing to keep them in reserve for use to end civilization as we know it.
My initial post was because GR had used the entirety of the B2 fleet and a significantly high number of the B1b fleet in a strike , but had previously only used a small number of Tu22ms , saying more than about 8 Tu22ms wasnt realistic & all he thought they would put in a single strike...
Reality is at some points the Soviets could have fielded 200 of them at once and still had more Aircraft on the ground, in reserve, than were in the air.
This was *the* aircraft they decided was their answer to carrier groups and anti-carrier was a big reason for its existence, and also why it was built in such large numbers.
I think Ukraine dismantling a huge number of them along with most of the Tu-160 fleet in Soviet inventory, is one of the reasons why the Russians have a problem with Ukraine. They basically destroyed about a trillion (today) dollars worth of aircraft they didnt pay for, which just happened to be stationed in Ukraine when the USSR dissolved into the CIS ;)
Destroying an aircraft as pretty as a Tu160 is akin to a crime against humanity, its little wonder the Russians are butthurt over losing such a massive portion of their entire tactical and strategic fleet... I mean, especially given the sacrifices needed to make them to begin with.
Imagine if Missouri split from the US... and decided rather than sell or give back the B2s housed there, theyd dismantle them, on camera, and send you the footage..... im sure the US would hold just a little bit of a grudge having had the majority of the B2 fleet maliciously destroyed, on camera, for show...
Anyway point being, this wasn't so much about the Availability of the B1b, as the reality that both the B1b and Tu22m3 have similar numbers in service, id say its a lot less likely to see 30 B1s used in a single strike, primarily because its a Strategic asset, losing 30 of them would significantly dent US capabilities to end the world in nuclear fire.
Whereas the Tu22m3 was always intended to be used in large formations in a Maritime strike role, as its primary function.
@@martinpalmer6203 you make a good point. I just want to point out that the B-1B is no longer nuclear capable as of 1995. As part of the start treaty they had to make it a conventional only bomber. It no longer has the equipment necessary for it and I think trying to replace it (Nuke equipment) would be more costly than it's worth with the aircrafts age and it nearing it's end of service life as well as the development of the B-21.
@@merlinbarlow Yeah its interesting, just sort of hope they are never really used.
People may not like the STOT Russian attack, but theres just no good reason why they wouldn't use it... I mean... war isn't about being nice and sending your aircraft in 1 by 1 to be shot down, modern war is about applying overwhelming force in pinpoint locations, where the enemy doesn't have the chance to effectively respond.
I stand by this... this STOT attack by Grim Reapers is the best yet...
Im well aware Russia is numerically not the same as what it used to be....but this video demonstrates just how much a modest portion of their total remaining firepower can still do..
I cant imagine what 200 Tu22m3s could have done, but I suspect their goal was to be able to sink every US carrier group twice over, as quickly as possible, then turn the Tu22m3s loos on bombing industry and military bases in the continental US...... 500 Tu22m3s is a *lot* of firepower, and that aircraft, while sort of crude looking, is still an engineering marvel.
So is the B1... but a bit less brute-ish in its design lol
I love you guys for doing these. Caps commentary makes me happy. I'd love to see this but with Tomcats instead of Hornets.
Planes that don't fly right or evade, ships that won't maneuver. Weapons that won't fire, planes that won't launch from the carrier there wouldn't be a plane left on the carrier with this kind of attack. nice idea but not very real life.
Couldn't agree more
I truly agree with you. I'm retired U.S. Navy and we can clear a carrier of every fighter plane in about 45 minutes to an hour. This simulation is BS at the highest level, not mention, all the surface to air hardware on the carrier by itself. Then the cruisers, frigates, destroyers in the battle group. Come on with this junk. Just totally disrespectful to my country and to my brothers/sisters in arms!!!!
42 seconds in and this is all I need to see
What didn't fire just curious
It would take over an hour for a Nimitz class to cycle every single plane up, and that’s if they were all set up and ready to scramble. If the ToT worked then that carrier group is on the bottom of the sea. Normal CAP is frequently only two fighters as well.
This was the first Grim Reapers episode I ever saw, and the one which made me pay attention to the channel. Between the sandtable wargaming visuals and Cap(?) with the hilarious colour commentary, what's not to enjoy? Again, keep up the good work.
thx
I'd love to see this game replay the Falkland's war. I can imagine all manner of crazy shit happening...
*malvinas
Thankyou
Hm, I noticed many, many of the F/18s didn't fire a single one of their 120's, or obviously the 7's....so I'm not sure the -54s would have made any difference. Which is weird given that so many of the Mig-31s got their radar missiles off. Wondering if there wasn't a bug in there somewhere; that's a lot of AMRAAMS not firing, which would also have altered how the 18s flew and performed later on when the dogfighting started in earnest. Though as a counter-point I'm surprised how effective the SM-2s were, honestly.
Still a pretty damn fascinating video. Thanks for putting so much time and effort into this, it really shows!
You forgot to remove that Imperial Spy Ship from when a Star Destroyer tried to take a US Carrier.
That would be embarrassing.
I guess the F-18's left their handbreaks on.
They’re trying to do some drifting! 😁
Unfortunately the US Ships are kinda gimmped in several rather drastic ways.
The fire rate limitation of a singular 8 pack VLS cell is applied to the entire forward and aft cells; effectively cutting launch rate for burkes by 12X and Ticos by a full 16X.
The fire rate of an 8 pack cell is driven by exhaust management and should not impact other cells even adjacent to it.
Next is that the Jamming of the SPY-1 radars or the AN/SLQ-32 is not implemented in any way which is a rather large part of the fleets defensive capabilities.
Another is that the neither the MK 36 MOD 12 decoy system or MK 53 Nulka decoy system isn't modeled. Particularly the Nulka has been shown to be effective at decoying radar guided missiles when 3 separate volleys of missiles were fired at the USS Mason off the coast of Yemen in October 2016.
Would love to see this scenario recreated in a true naval sim like Command: Modern Operations that generally has all of the above correct (well as correct as OSINT can be) and also has better fidelity for the systems of the attackers in this scenario; would make a nice compare and contrast.
everythig is gimped.. a normal attack would haapen on different directions, using multiple complexes (aviation, naval-submarine) and TIMING, so all missiles are approaching the enemy at same time ..as to overwhelm the defenses..not going 1 after the other in a line.. so DCS is sadly far from a BATTLE SIMULATOR..its a great equipment simulator..but far from anything tactical or strategic or battle simulator..
Also no chaff rockets are fired. CIWS seems largely ineffective, and ships don’t maneuver to reduce RCS. SM2s also engage far too close. With airborne early warning, those missiles could launch immediately.
Agree, would be great to see this in CMANO with all countermeasures simulated. When I have run similar scenarios the typical result is the loss of a destroyer occasionally, but rarely a hit on the carrier. The SM2s hit almost everything very far out and the leakers usually chase nulka decoys, chaff or are hit by ESSM or RAMs. CIWS barely sees action.
@@mandoreforger6999 actually recreating this in CMANO right now just for shits and giggles. Taken the liberty of using the last known CSG to transit the strait of Hormuz (CSG-3).
Have to increase the number of Russian AC to keep the same number of missiles as the ASM loadouts seen in this vid either aren't realistic or theres no evidence of them being flown.
Currently using more TU-22M3s than the Russian airforce has..
@@mandoreforger6999 Phalanx has been outdated for 40 years, ever since supersonic seaskimmers were invented and in widespread deployment they have been next to useless, but better than nothing.
These videos are always the best when Cap is off his meds.
20:57 lol
14:35 16:35 19:08 the sound of those Jets just 👌
Love the cinematic aspect of these battles!😁✌
The slow mo shots were incredible! Great work my friend
Besides satellites spotting and tracking that many planes taking off and given the Americans an early "heads up" which would've made a huge impact on things, The tactics used here are not up to standards, to say the least.... Not that this scenario it would ever see a different outcome at the end, but the tally would've been a bit different.
To be honest, this was a masterclass as to why the F14&Aim54 absence in the fleet is such a big issue that is massively overlooked. Sure, this scenario is unlikely. But the United States long range Air-Air capabilities are sorely lacking.
agree
@@grimreapers As is the lack of long range anti ship capability.
Not anymore
@@matrut28 What changed in the last 8 weeks? Lol
The cat in the bag says we have capabilities outside of what is widely known. Something along the lines of electronic, frequency and direct energy weapons. Non-conventional, that are in use. About all that can be said. I get it tho, I’m sure many people make all kind of claims.
Fun video cap! Throw in some F14s with AIM54s to simulate the bvr capabilities of the super hornet armed with AIM 120D, and it’s just nice to see F14s in the air. Thanks for all the detail you put into these videos!
Just discovered your channel today- Wow! Must be really tedious setting up the battles, but amazing results! Really enjoyed the show. Keep up the good work. I've subscribed and a big thumbs up.
Thx Rico, loads of battles done for you to check out :)
the B-1B has had some really bad airframe stress issues with them, they are all currently grounded. my best friend is current ground grew (load toad) for them and B-52s. they are just getting old, and haven't had the updates and care that the B-52s have had.
I think B1B is not an essence for US military doctrine. US has evolved into more shock and awe with overwhelming air power combined with stealth capability and AWACS for surveillance and radar detection. Bombers are not that needed unless US has achieved air superiority as we could see during Yugoslavia, Afghan, Libya and Iraq wars. While Russia on the other hand they are more into long range missiles bombardment from near space (like kinzhal launched from MiG-31K which is terrifying since we don't have capability to defend against it).
Well, the map appears to be the strait ... excuse me for being late for class, but the variables aren't configured for a.i. to know what's going on?
Found your videos this week, they are fantastic thank you so much!
Welcome TR!
Cap’s commentary is brilliant on this one. I love the way he gets so excited with all the action -- and of course that he often becomes very funny at the same time. Great stuff!
good luck finding a full Russian airwing any more
This was by far the most epic fight yet, still LOVE those Russian aircraft, ultra cool looking
That's what the Russian air force does best... looks cool.
@@lexwaldez but clearly nowhere near as effective as they've been making out, suspect lack of combined arms ops, training, serviceability, SA
@@jameshewitt8828 what are you talking about?
@@愛を込めてロシアから He's talking about how the Russian military is undertrained and underfunded. They are a third rate military even at the best of times. For all their boasts about air supremacy they still haven't reached Kyiv in 6 months.
@@MovieGuy808 reaching kyiv is the goal of this operation?
WOW like i was watching a Sports Game with a great moderator! I could feel the heat myself!
1) Thanks for a fun video :) 2) Hope Kortana is feeling better 3)Hope She can join in the fun soon. 4) Is this a first for Simba getting to fly all around with impunity? LOL I really do enjoy him in the videos
Love the enthusiasm 🤣🤣👏👏
All the stealth fighters have been made into some super invisible things in dcs
That has been the case with the su57, in the case of the f22, u can argue its stealth underperforms as it has an rcs of 0.75sqrm
@@grigorispanousis9745 rcs number is stupid
@@grigorispanousis9745 it's superman in other capabilities
@@alinawaz1730 its capabilities are realistic given what we have seen really do, and grinneli said he didnt make it stealthier, so that it can be possible to shoot it down
@@grigorispanousis9745 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The layout and setup of this mission reminds me a lot of the mission "Rendezvous" in Ace Combat 5! So cool!! Loved the video
That B1 issue was a snapshot in time back in 2019 and was due to an ejection seat issue that took most of the fleet down. However they came back up quick. It’s really difficult to judge fleet health and MISCAP information from a simple snapshot on a single day due to a major issue with a weapons system.
I feel sorry for the poor viggen 😂
The Tom Clancy book red storm rising had something similar to this .
Chapter Dance of the Vampires. that would be a interesting simulation
Beat me to it, probably TC’s most well known work.
Except in Red Storm Rising, it was just a bunch of Tu-95s.
I would say this was significantly more terrifying lol
@@AscendingBliss nah Tu-95 provided targetting data while Tu-16 badgers launched drones/decoy missiles which bait the F-14 CAP, Tu-22M backfires launched the anti ship missiles which wrecked the Nimitz and sunk the French carrier Foch
@@AscendingBliss Yeah I specifically went with current inventory Russian aircraft, which by the way means a strike like this is nowhere near half the Russian airforce.
It was perhaps 40% of the Tu22ms, 15% of the Su34s, and 7-8% of their Mig 31s.
This is without even using any of the Su27, Su30 or Su35 fleet, of which they have around 600 operational .. 400 ish Su27s, and around 100 each of the Su30 and Su35.
So to say a strike like this is manageable is more than fair, especially given GR's have made strikes with All of the B2s and most of the operational B1s.
The difference between the B2 and B1 and the Tu22m is the Tu22 is a Tactical asset, not a strategic nuclear bomber, and at one point the USSR had close to 500 Tu22ms in service, because many of these were tasked specifically for Anti-ship warfare...
So yeah... not unrealistic to think if they had to do so, they might launch this sort of strike, they could probably manage 2-3 strike groups like this..
Ohh I forgot, Russian aircraft all suck and are 30 years behind, they have no chance against carriers no matter what they do ..🤣🤣🤣
I was a big fan of Tom Clancy too
. Red Storm Rising was a great book.
What is missing from most peoples assessment of Russian capabilities is they fail to see how the mix of capability comes together.. STOT doctrine was more than just slinging 300 missiles, its goal was creating confusion, using high threats and low threats and ideally even subsurface threats.. and basically making it really hard to know what to target... while also concealing other stuff that's inbound ... executed properly its one hell of a strategy.. but I always took the core strategy was focused on concealing some threats while telegraphing others on order to gain advantageous position for the threats the enemy doesn't know about yet...
Either way this was a great demonstration of the way this would look IRL... its pretty overwhelming... and Damn is that Su34 a sexy Anti-ship platform. I didnt realise it packed so much firepower. Anyways from my perspective this was a good demonstration of what a combined strike looks like & they didnt even use submarines or land based missiles ;)
I like the way you address a problem and then fins a solution. Very nice. 👌
That was awesome, the Mig31s effectiveness surprised me, not bad for a Mach 2.8 flying brick..
It shows the effect of raw speed.
Very Awesome :)
@@Mike_Oxhuge_ Not unrealistic given the close ranges and the powerful radar being used to guide it.... what Zaslon-M lacks in sophistication, it makes up for with raw transmit power..
The missile is quite capable of receiving targeting information from the mig31 during its flight via Datalink.
Given R37s guided by this radar have hit targets at 300km, the only unrealistic thing here is the Mig31s not being able to equip the R37 it in the Mod...
But at under ~50km the chance of the F18 being able to burn through and jam a Mig31 aren't good against an 400km + Phased Array radar...
The R33S was more sophisticated than the Aim-7
Its final version is TARH, with inertial guidance and datalink/mid course update capable..
Its is more akin to an AIM-54 than Aim-7, having very similar dimensions to the Phoenix and better range/speed in the evolved R37 version.
Hey Cap, I was watching your vid when I just saw that one of the R-33s that went way too far actually was going after one of the submarines, but didn't seem to damage it (It was in map view)
24:13
Was this just a coincidence or can an A-A actually lock onto a ground target?
In theory yes, in practice, maybe-ish.
Surface targets not only have surfaces to reflect radar but also generally have some level of thermal signature although this is dramatically different from what air targets have. Iirc in the early 2000’s the US was working on a missile that could be used for both air to air and air to ground, like an air-based ADATS missile. Although I assume the reason it never went anywhere (and also the reason ADATS is dead) is because missiles effective against air targets are dramatically different than missiles effective against surface targets and this is doubly true for tracking ability.
That said ir based air to air missiles should be able to in theory track ground targets at very close range, although this depends on the target, it’s thermal signature, the target’s background and also the specific sensor system of the missile.
wow! well spotted, will have to think about how we can replicate this...
It's interesting that you said "The saturation of the Soviets was unending!" I've heard from first hand sources that this was precisely the problem for the Germans in the east - they simply couldn't kill enough Soviet armor fast enough to avoid being overrun.
As Stalin is supposed to have said "Quantity has its own quality".
Thought it was more about the Germans being unable to reliably replenish their losses once they lost the numerical advantage they had at the start. But also the stretched supply lines and lost momentum, The idea of "just kick the door in and the whole rotten structure will crumble" didn't quite work out either.
The problem in the East is that the German lost their numeric advantage before achieving a crippling blow.
After that it was on the defensive and the Soviets (now with numerical advantage) on the offensive. The Germans were perfectly capable of stopping large soviet armor attacks just not on the massive front they held. That’s why Soviet attacks were so massively wide; they could afford to and the Germans could not.
Awesome as always!!!!
Tried out a spicier version of your scenario in Harpoon; it took about 3 hours (8 hours game time). Basically something you couldn't run in DCS (yet) just due the sheer numbers (and much simpler code/modelling). Gave the Russian AI about 600 planes, similar mix and loadouts (just a lot more, except, no SU-57, only SU-35, still nasty & the MiG-31's carry more "Amos" missiles); also included TU-160's and a score of EW aircraft. All of this launching from two bases, guarded by S-300's and a Russian CSG sailing in from the other direction, to boot. US: same size CSG--with 3 Ticos and 3 Burkes (both with Tomahawks, though), but an "old" (heavy) AW: 24x F-14D, 36x F-18E's and 24x A-6E's. Also, a single base with AF planes; F-22's, F-15E's and F-16C(50)'s, plus a squadron of B-1's; about 160 total USN & USAF.
Much different result than I expected; the base was damaged, but still usable, and lost no ships (it was close)--I don't think a single ship had SAMs left. So, for 71 air frames lost (imagine all that beautiful money gone up in smoke), all of the Russians died hard. As expected, the CSG was the hardest to kill. I love the Russian Navy's defensive toughness--the best example--every capital ship has 4+ AK-630's. The Kuznetsov has 8. Our Carriers carry 4x Phalanx. Some Burkes only have RAM, no Phalanx at all. It is just very hard & costly to sink their CSG.
Jesus Chrooyst gets me every time
FYI, this is about 15% of the Russian airforce, not counting the 600 Flanker derivatives that weren't used ...(Su27,Su30,Su35)
Around the same number of Tu22m3 are in service as B1s, 60 ish TU22M3s vs 62 B1b
They have ~120 Su34s and somewhere around 300-400 Mig 31s.
So the Russians could put together 4 or 5 strikes like this simultaneously, provided they were willing to use the Tu95 and Tu160 fleet for tactical/maritime strike.
Ohh and *still*"have 600 flankers sitting on the ground.. not taking part.
So yeah, nowhere close to half their airforce.
Its a good demonstration of just how much firepower they can still muster.
Agree BUT I think we need to set some limits, because there would be real world restrictions like available tankers etc to get them to target.
@@grimreapers yup I think what you put together was pretty close to the mark and it demonstrated the concept of the STOT attack really well.
You could double the number of AEGIS escorts and this probably would still kill a few ships and maybe the carrier because of how it rolls back and confuses defenses , the Mig31s did a hell of a job distracting defenders while the bombers rolled in and did their thing.. That was pretty cool to watch unfold.
I had wargamed similar stuff in Harpoon 2 ANW with the same sort of results, especially once the CVBG gets in range of the smaller aircraft like the Mig31.
I would toss in submarine cruise missiles, EW aircraft and torpedoes from the opposite axis, which totally screws with the escorts because they start to struggle to prioritize what to shoot and where to turn, theyd get into eachothers way trying to dodge torpedoes ... and end up breaking radar locks when theyd get close to eachother.
The attrition factor kicks in too.. killing 1 or 2 escorts with submarines leaves a gap in defences.
Kill 2 E2C/D Hawkeyes the carrier starts to struggle to keep AEW up... so the AAM wave did that.
I dont know how this would get put together, under what circumstances, but the Americans thought their Battleship fleet was invincible until pearl harbor happened.
I am damned sure the British would put together A huge strike if Putin announced he was gonna sortee the northern fleet, park 500km off Britain and nuke 1 city every hour until you surrendered... and every available aircraft, ship, submarine would hit that fleet .
So yeah im thrilled with how this turned out because it really shows how powerful the tactic is..
57 isn't that many aircraft.... in the Battle if Britain, at peak, 372 spitfires were used.
I guess you just do what you have to if your existence is threatened.
Great job in putting that all together!
all to take out one of our 11 csg's. they wouldn't have much left if they did that, and they know it.
Your commentary made that video, such enthusiasm, it was great.
Geez, I just noticed I wasn't subscribed! I watch so many Grimreaper videos, how did I not see this before. Fixed.
Rewatching a 2nd time... too much awesome for one video.. like aerial Ballet with explosions!! ;)
The mad lad actually did it 😂💜
This is the most entertaining DCS video that I've ever seen
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27:09 hahaha xD amazing reaction!! made it 10 times more fun!
"Good luck dodging that mate.... oh wait" LOL
The flight would be detected waaaay farther away. Not by that awacs but by ground based radars and sats. Those backfires are NOT inconspicuous.
Not to mention that Aegis was purposefully built to handle Soviet saturation tactics like this. The system may have eventually been overwhelmed depending on how many standard missiles they could get to be effective but a task force of Burkes/Tycos burning those phased arrays would NOT have gone down this quickly. I am absolutely positive about that!
@@leftistsarenotpeople Your correct, a combination of active defense, chaff, and ECM would make this victory pretty improbable.
Plus with the the addition of our satellite and intelligence capabilities, I feel like we would be able to see this attack coming well in advance.
In 2012 the 9th Bomb squadron spent 9,500 hours airborne during a 6 month deployment keeping a B1 airborne at all times. And they wonder why they are broken all the time SMH
love your enthusiasm
Mig-31 is a beast!, I love your videos!
27:09 - Cap went full chinese for a second there!! 🤣
lol
Suggestion: Fly low (about 10ft of the ground) and fast towards a US carrier group either in a Su-27 or Su-33, with FAB-500 bombs on every pylon with the highest amount possible, releasing them into the carrier group, I've tried it before with just one plane and managed to down a Stennis.
iirc, the Su-27 and Su-33 can carry up to around 40~50 FAB-500 bombs which are 500 kilogram dumb bombs
Wait what? How can Su-27 carry 25 tons of bombs?
Hiro Really? 10ft of the ground?
Great vid cap. Would love to see a high fidelity Foxbat or hound module.
agree
Your energy made this videos so much better valued CZcamsr!
It'd truly be a failure of intelligence for half the GDP of Russia's worth of aircraft to get that close to a carrier group.
Meanwhile: phones are going off in Washington and Moscow, insert nuke threats from both parties.
I wish you good luck cap with your voice
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I need to download this game and try it out! Love the vids guys and gals, keep them coming!!
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Welcome!
Well, I think fuel would have slowed down a lot of the attacking planes. You can only be in burner so long. Plus, I doubt the Russians would have enough aircraft available to field a force like this simulation showed.
How wouldn’t they ? There like the third most powerful military in the world
They have enough aircrafts to strike all CSG coming their way bro.
I think the Ukraine war is showing the true picture of the Russian military. Considering Russia's budget is 6 billion a year compared to the US's 700 billion, they won't last long and will be shooting nukes before dying a painful death.
So the SU-57 has a estimated most favorable radar cross section of .5 meters. Giving it the same as a unloaded F-18. Yes. Everything should have been tracking it. The mods or devs are granting it too much credit.
I dont play DCS and I dont care who wins, I just watch for the enthusiastic commentary.
Great fun - thanks Cap! 😃
A hypersonic missile with a thermonuclear warhead will get the job done.
And thus ends the world.
@@martinjefferson3395 still maybe, at least it will end the western civilization as we know it. Africa will be on the rise
This would be a great movie. A carrier fleet defending against waves of Russian jets.
A pretty tragic and saddening one to watch too, seeing how hopeless and fruitless their defense is
Awesome fight ! Makes me jealous of the people involved in it !
Could you please if the sim can handle it, you can choose any sanario where Americans have won but have 2 of them attack again together from 2 different directions. Will it make any difference to the outcome
The only unrealistic part of this fight is WHERE did all the Russian planes start from? This would never happen in real life. Also, when are you going to introduce the new Ford Class Carrier, which is also equipped with LASER defensive weapons?
I would hope most people know this couldn't happen in real life. The Russians would never, and probably cannot attack with that many aircraft at once. The US Navy would be bolstered by other aircraft, they wouldn't solely rely on one strike group. The Air Force would join in, as would NATO. Oh and the Hornets would actually fire their AMRAAM's... I didn't see a single AMRAAM fired or a Hornet missing any AMRAAMs here
@@PotatoeJoe69 The russians could easily attack with that many aircraft. In reality, submarines and surface vessels would aslo join in and NATO and the air force don't matter, they are not there to act. Also, the hornets were spamming AMRAAMs as much as they could.
@@PotatoeJoe69 which video were you even watching? Cap says at one point how he's just outrunning amraams lol 31 is simply a beast
Laser defense is useless again Radar homing missile, the only thing it can actually intercept are slow firing drone and Optic seeker
@@Aes880 That depends entirely on the power of the laser that is fielded, but yes, there isn't a military laser powerful enough to do this and it certainly isn't deployed on any existing ship.
Man, those Su-34s, what a beautiful machine
There’s something that’s so satisfying about watching ships get slammed by huge missiles.
17:45 Those sound effects are spot on ;)
This is the best yet, take out the support ships and AWACS then target the carrier and it all comes together. Great strategy.
Yeah and now I understand why the Mig31s have an Anti-Ship role... their speed as a distraction/barrier force, long range AAMs, the just disrupted the hell out of the F18s.
The thing is, the Russians/Soviets war-gamed this sort of thing for decades.
Even as much as I've read about, seeing how some of the elements fit together is really cool.
Maybe not in 100% specifics, but conceptually this helps to understand why Russian aircraft are built for such specific roles.
So cool
Probably late to the party, but I wanna see if the Soviet deception attack on the US carrier group in Red Storm Rising would turn out like it does in the book 💥💥💥
That's a great book.
"Fire mission!" as the BBs appear on the horizon.
It was fairly accurate at the time the novel was written.
MiG-31 is supposed to be high up, yes, but I've been buzzed by one twice, the pilot playing at being a MiG-29 for the afternoon.
3:07 - to me, those are good guys
Seems decent that 57 shouldn’t be that stealthy especially when the rounded engine housing are in view is a sea based radar. Also I’m not sure how well it would do vs the UHF radar in the Hawkeye!
agree
it is stealthy from the front lol where did you get it its not stealthy? more of that amerika propaganda?
@@helioshyperion8077 no it’s just common sense that the massive round engine housings are detrimental to it’s stealth from most aspects with exception to the front. Which even then the intakes are it’s own problem as well unless there’s some stealth technology they have to circumvent that
@@ICECAPPEDSKY it is stealthy from the front, and after all after merge there is no point for stealth which shows why f 35 and f22 are useless
@@helioshyperion8077 the f22 still has the best maneuverability and stealth of any aircraft? How is that useless. Plus if you are even in a dogfight with the f22 then something has gone wrong. Personally I wouldn’t go as far as to say the F35 is useless as it’s a good harrier replacement but other than that, yeah it’s pretty terrible
Half of Russia Air force vs 15%- 30% of US Navy?
The rubber band effect (retaliation) would be a fun sim.
This was what I was thinking.
В Советском Союзе военных сил было в разы больше, чем в России
Yes, seemed like a plausible outcome. Cool.
Unreal. What an understatement.
If the Russians are going after a US carrier group not only will Iranians give access to the airspace but possibly join the strike with a land based missile barrage on the US fleet and possibly some strike with their airforce too. Also Foxhound's elder brother thr Foxbat has the only combat aerial kill against the Super Hornet's elder brother the legacy hornet in the opening night of the 1st Gulf war
World War 3 . Iran helps Russia, US and its allies will fill the void. goodbye world.
@@willwozniak2826 If it ever gets to that point, Israel will be the main link to the fiasco.
How is it those planes never run out of fuel going full burner for so long?
MiG31 has around 15tones of fuel.
@@TheGranicd what's a tone?
@@TheGranicd still, it’s one thirsty beast. I’m not sure the AI burn rates are realistic
@@lohrtom Possibly the AI isn't counting on making it back to home base. (maybe just to the nearest air field. We've seen planes land a bit of everywhere in these videos, so that might be the case.)
The 31 could run for a few hours on burner without refueling, its designed for just that. LONG range, high altitude, m2.8 interceptor.. range at mission speeds around m2, about 2000km..
Its a unique aircraft.
I just love how you turned german for a split second there T 25:48
Just one question. Can any ship defend itself from salvo of missiles from mig31 armed with kinzhal ,or Sukhoi armed with brahmos?
Could you make an experiment where a combined scandinavian (Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland) airforce took on a russian attack ?. How long can scandinavia fend off a russian attack force ?.
will try.
uh, about not at all. Because the VKS RF will not attack Scandinavia. And even if they wanted it, it would have been a preemptive strike by Iskander missiles on air bases, so that by the time the Russian Air Force attacked, the Scandinavian Air Force would have burned down on its destroyed bases.
Just finished watching "Can A Kamikaze Attack...." guessing by that video I would say no, but your flying carcass might get close.
But in the stealth attack group (b-2 and f-22) vs carrier group video, someone (either supercap or someone else) easily banzai'd their raptor into a carrier no problem
@@shanedoesyoutube8001 Ah I haven't watched that one. I actually haven't owned a gaming rig since BF3/4 days but watching GR and and Ralfidude have got me to order all my parts, just waiting for arrival. Can you recommend a good plane to start off with?
@@TangoIndiaMike144 no, I can't, sorry
Well done
Now you'd really question how much of the "inventory" could really be used (well)... So the outcome in this setup maybe realistic. The setup itself maybe in hindsight way too optimistic.