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Could Taiwan Survive An Aerial First Strike By China? (WarGames 1a) | DCS
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- čas přidán 15. 08. 2024
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0:37 History
4:46 Battle Overview
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The PL-15E only has a range of 95km or around 62 miles so I really doubt the PL-15 would ever reach 160 miles in real life. But this is DCS so let the fun begin! Question? who came up with the 160 range in DCS? based on the estimates I assume.
Isn't PL-15 has a range of 150km ? Not talking about PL-15E.
@@ahmedshaikhani8571 That's an estimated range, no one but the CCP know its true capabilities. But like I said, I really doubt it has 160 mile range. Plus the PL-15 is estimated to weigh over 500Kg and can do 20G or less maneuvers so It's likely meant to take out Tankers, AEWCs, that are less capable of dodging missiles.
The Chinese are going to exaggerate everything so no one really knows anything about this stuff. Just like the ussr during the 60’s - 80’s.
@@tbe0116 Agreed, its hard to get a real measure with limited data. But I would take everything they say with a hand full of salt.
You guys have it completely wrong. The Chinese actually more often than not understate their capabilities. Look at the recent hypersonic tests, which they denied were hypersonic missiles but rather "civilian space experiments". China also claims to only have 300 nuclear warheads when there is credible evidence that point to a number closer to 3000. China is not like North Korea in that sense.
The Cyprus issue is getting increasingly complicated as far as I can understand from this video.
lols
These border disputes really bring out the caveman in some people
Just watched a DCS recreation on Showtime112's channel about a Turkey-Greece kerfuffle. The chest pounding in the comments is simultaneously funny and sad..
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KARDEŞİM BUNLAR SÖZDE SAVAŞ SENARYOSU HAZIRLIYORLAR DAHA DOĞRU HARİTAYI SEÇMEYİ BECEREMİYORLAR. KARŞILAŞTIRDIKLARI SALDIRI, SAVUNMA GEREÇLERİ ÖZELLİKLERİNİN GERÇEK İLE ZERRE ALAKASI YOK. SENİN BAHSETTİĞİN AÇIDAN OLAYA BAKARSAK, BENCE DE ASIL AMÇLARI BU : KENDİ TAKİPÇİLERİNİ KIBRIS'A SALDIRI OLMASI FİKRİNİ NORMALLEŞTİRMEYE ÇALIŞIYORLAR. LAKİN ANCA BİLGİSAYAR OYUNLARINDA KENDİLERİNİ KANDIRIRLAR. KENDİNE "MEDENİ" BATI DÜNYASI BİRBİRİNE DÜŞTÜ. YAKINDA BİRBİRLERİNE GİRECEKLER :)
The Cyprus issue? The issue is that it was invaded by Turks. Once they leave Cyprus can be united again and all citizens part of EU. The only issue is the Turkish involvement. But they will leave soon, max 10 years from now. Cyprus will unite again.
Here is a fun fact: AIM-9 Sidewinder was first used in 1958 during the first Taiwan Strait Crisis. One of the AIM-9 missiles did not explode and got lodged in the airframe of the MiG. The pilot brought MIG back to base and send the AIM-9 to USSR. That is how the Soviets learned how to copy AIM-9.
I think we did that fight somewhere: czcams.com/video/viPJ4ErNZc8/video.html
Doesn't matter, they wouldve just bought the tech off some suits at the pentagon like they did ( and still do) with most of thier gear.
@@BoleDaPole ну да. Мы то все тупые, ничего сами придумать не можем без града на холме.
Russia did steal a rather significant amount of tech - the atomic bomb, the B-29, the Sidewinder aren't the only examples.
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You should invite that Flanker pilot who dodged 12 missiles onto the team. It doesn't matter if he's an AI, he's amazing!
lol. His name is 0110000101011101
@@grimreapers lol
@@grimreapers his flight name then should be “Binary”
@@grimreapers no way he was AI 👀😳
There were a couple of those AIM-9Xs that were more than close enough for the TDD to see that Faux-Flanker. I think DCSs model for the TDD (influence fuse) needs closer scrutiny. The proximity detonator models for the Patriot and Hawk need work, too. A few of those looked close enough to do some damage at least. Something else comes to mind...don't all SAMs detonate when they've 'missed'? I don't think you would want a spent Patriot or SA-2 falling on your head, I certainly wouldn't!
Edit: i Love how you guys go to great lengths to bring us amazing, entertaining, engaging and different content. I've learned so much from your videos not just on the DCS side, but how militaries operate and the role different nations play in what would seem to the average viewer as just a 'good vs bad' situation. Keep up the amazing work; Grim Reapers
Thanks. TBH I'm learning four you guys also.
Do not learn these things from this channel. It's a very poor place to learn. It's a very fun channel though.
Read government reports like the US yearly congressional reports and use CMO instead of DCS. Take classes at your university's naval sciences class (some schools require you to be in ROTC) or at the very least attend their public lectures.
I like how this is all a simulated Binkov's Battleground video - he just makes suppositions, while you folks act out stuff on the DCS engine to see what COULD happen. Granted, both are subject to a million variables, and real life won't look like any of this, but at least it's FUN!!
I'm waiting to see China invasion of Russia's East coast..
Boringkov Boringrounds < Greatest Reeeepers
Don't think this comparison is fair. Messi and Ronaldo are different kinds of footballers but effective on their ways. Same with Binkov vs Grim Reepers. Let each one do his bit as they see fit.
At least Binkov wouldn't get Cyprus and Taiwan confused with each other.
Blinkov is pretty entertaining. My only beef is that he always uses on paper strength rather than reality. See any video he does that involve Germany to see what I mean.
These simulations and tests are super appreciated, realistic or not. I love seeing how you bend and shape the simulation to create the conditions you need for the test, and it's cool to see how these weapon systems might be used in real life. What I really love though, is how much fun you all seem to have doing it.
Yeh it's genuinely cool watching this I find, especially as I have no controls of what happens.
A few flights of decoys would be extremely effective at soaking up those BVR missiles . If I was Taiwan I'd consider buying some of those , and some hanger space in some of their many highway tunnels so within minutes they could roll out and take off from highways . Probably cost a fortune and China would know about them unless done unrealistically well and in secrecy somehow . These scenarios really get the old noggin joggin .
@@SabbaticusRex I was watching some defense news recently and read that the Air Force was reconfiguring a large amount of bombs to be anti-sea weapons. I could see this being done to possibly counter massive drone swarms, or even anti-missle drones.
@@delocon Another thing I remembered after I commented -- ECM is a thing , hehe . So is ECCM etc .
At the Jan 6 protest and days afterwards when they set up the fences , guardposts etc I remember seeing the drones they had used to jam telecommunications and they were using these large drones with wire tethers because obviously their jamming would affect the drone as well as just about everything else . So an effective drone swarm would be zapped rather easily .
In my post when I said drone I was remembering those F-86 era planes they made into rudimentary drones (they were very mechanical obviously it was so long ago) and I wondered if they could put basic AI onboard and shielded to basically take off , loiter and not even know how to land because it may be more trouble than benefit . Like F-16s or something , you know ?
Hrm. Interesting to think about anyways . Cheers ! Didn't know about the bomb conversion thing , very curious .
Realistically the opening shots of a mainland-taiwan war would be a barrage of ballistic and land based cruise missiles, as well as saturation rocket attacks from WS2 and WS3 rocket launchers. Which would annihilate the airfields in the first few minutes.
Still, from the estimated stock pile of PLA land base missiles, they are unable to deal serious damage to the east coast airforce bases, due to the combination of ballistic shadow zone,inherent inaccuracy of any missile system, limited warhead capacity( if no nuclear warhead deployed),shelter system, jamming, various air defence system...etc. PLA would probably avoid spending too many missiles on the east coast and rather focus their first wave attacks on the west coast to inflict maximum casualties on the Taiwanese force though saturation attack.
@@williammiao8862 I really doubt the mainland would have accuracy issues with their ballistic missiles against static targets like airfields, Not when all their modern missiles are satellite guided
@@hughmungus2760 Do note that Taiwan’s east coast airbase is right under the cover of an average 3500m mountain range(and the earth ain’t flat), which is traditionally called the “ballistic shadow zone”, modern ballistic missile might be able to thread the needle with an extreme ballistic trajectory, but any inherent inaccuracies in the system will be exaggerated( no systems in the world is able to achieve 100% accuracy which is what I mean as inherent inaccuracies in the system), a cruise missile approach might be a more cost effective way to attack Taiwan’s east coast bases and runways however it might not be as cost effective as using them on the west coast military targets that post a lot more imminent threats to the PLA forces( to minimize Taiwanese counter missile barrage capability)
@@williammiao8862 well the mainland's more modern missiles have less than 10m CEP which is more than enough to get the job done.
Ofcourse bases closest to the battlefront will get the most attention. but as the war drags on you can expect bases all over taiwan to eventually get hit.
@@hughmungus2760 Using ballistic missiles to target a ballistic shadow zone ( the main runway for their F16 squadrons are less than 500 meters east parallel to the mountain range, and a extensive tunnel storage system that utilized the mountains as the aircraft bunker), it meant that PLA have to deploy their more expensive modern missile systems that probably do not have a lot stockpiled yet, and due to the limited ballistic approaches it will be easier for the Taiwanese defenders to intercept them with their Patriot System, even if one ore two missiles passed their defenses and hit the runway , the defenders will be able to repair it with cheap fast drying concrete and metal sheets in about 30 minutes. It’s simply not worth it to waste expensive ordinance to only be able to inflict easily fixable damages, when theirs much better targets to focus the attack on. (Or just use nukes I guess)
Given the complexity of the scenario, I think it would be interesting to break down each phase of such a hypothetical campaign in a video series.
So perhaps ballistic and cruise missile strike against Taiwan first. Then air strikes in to Taiwan before a naval battle etc. Each subsequent scenario will take in consideration of the outcome in the previous video.
But this is hella epic. I always love teh detail and overview bits as it gets my inner nerdiness fired up.
And the Victor receives? A free trip to a gameshow? The Bahamas? Perhaps someplace more exotic like, say Epsilon 4?
Why no SAMs for the Chinese side though?
It's been theorised that in any conflict over the Taiwan strait, China would use it's modern SAMs in an offensive manner - too shoot down Taiwanese planes over Taiwan.
The HQ-9B could cover a good portion of Taiwanese airspace whilst the S-400 could cover all of it.
The Chinese navy would be out there at the very least providing Sam cover.
That's a lot for a single non-dedicated server to handle. IRL it would be PLA Navy and PLA SAM network + PLA ballistic missile command in addition to any air operation, I'm just glad Cap managed what he did.
I had to save on system resources somewhere so missed them out.
Yeah, this is just a simple sim that favors taiwan's situation. It pretty much discarded China's capability in land based missiles, drones, guided rocket launchers, etc.
@@jwzjwz2003cn Not even close to what would happen, China would move many more missiles and strike craft from other parts of the country.
I am amazed by the amount of research and effort you and team put into these videos. They are SUPER entertaining and deeply interesting. Well done and thank you.
@45:00 ish , that pilot must have been trained by Jackie Chan himself . amazing!
You know what I'd like to see? The devs who made Command: Modern Operations teaming up with Eagle Dynamics. That way you could have a high fidelity flight sim that just as authentically modeled naval and armored combat.
agree
I think in the future they will merge similar games. Example DCS and world of warships.
Find some way to merge it with ArmA and get down to the infantry level.
I figure all the simulator people are in the same business and would like to have one accurate super simulator. Then again if that were possible all the world's militaries would already have it...
In a real-life scenario , I think that any Taiwnese naval assets would fire up and add their SM-2-ish ships in the harbor to the defensive grid, especially Aegis-types... it could potentially be another source of A/A .
But then those naval assets would themselves be under threat from Chinese land-based anti-ship missiles. The distance is only 100km or so, China probably thousands of cheap disposable Anti-ship missiles that could cover that distance.
Realistically though, China would probably wear down Taiwan's air defences with thousands of Short-range ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and rocket artillery before they even sent any planes in.
@@noidontthinksolol sounds like a great way for a hundred million people to die
@@noidontthinksolol The only numbers I could find put the number at between 6-9 Patriot batteries, and between 350-400 PAC-3 missiles. These would be quickly overwhelmed in short order by the >2000 ballistic missiles already pointed at Taiwan, that's not even counting the cruise missiles and guided rocket artillery that can be brought to bear.
Then you have the Taiwanese military itself - I've heard that a lot of the military's top brass are quietly pro-reunification and a lot of the grunts don't see any point in fighting for independence and would probably just desert. There could even be a military coup by a pro China faction to remove the Taiwanese President and prevent war.
I don't think China really cares about Taiwan independence, except for the fact that the US may put military bases in Taiwan if it did become independent. I think that would be unacceptable for China and they would rather destroy Taiwan than let that happen.
Finally, regarding NATO - the international community recognises the one China principal and this gives China the right to exercise its sovereign right to put down any secessionist movement in Taiwan. If the US comes to Taiwan's defence - it would have to attack China. I don't think NATOs article 5 would apply in this case if the US is the attacker.
@@noidontthinksolol - The people in Afghanistan begs to differ.
@@F15ElectricEagle Yeah after that, idk who's drinking the koolaid about the US actually caring about anyone's freedoms. He shoulda said "microchips and oil aren't free" or "Raytheon stock value isn't free".
Just found this page and I love it. Keep it up. Unbelievable game play and reenactment. I’m hooked
Enjoy DAY 2
I know this is a sim and that there is a crap ton of stuff you need to think about, but here are some thought that I had during the video.
If China were ever to attack Taiwan, I have a serious trouble believing they would just go in with half the number of planes that Taiwan could muster. I believe the chinese planes would number in the hundred at least. I believe the number of cruise missiles would be a lot more, and that they would not only be launched from planes but from ground emplacements as well.
To me the beginning of it where the PL-15 were ripping the F-16s to shreds I just thought of the absolute terror you must feel as a pilot going up against that stuff.. .
The Taiwanese fighters really are balls to the wall fighting to the death, because they have no other option, but the Chinese fighters most likely would have fired their missiles and then RTB to rearm and refuel, and then maybe even do a second passes until the Taiwanese fighter jhets were out of comission. Never really leaving the safety of the Chinese SAM cover. Just telling them to RTB after long range missiles were fired would have mage a huge impact on the kill list I believe.
I also think that the stealth fighters would not be going one on one with each each AWACS, Considering the importance of the AWACS I think they would have a wing or even a squad on each of them with the primary order to kill them and then take out targets of opportunity before RTBing.
Another thing that came to mind was fact that all the Chinese planes were in full AA configuration. Not a single one tried to neutralize a single SAM site... to me getting rid of SAMs would almost be equally important as getting rid of the runways because of their ability to deny cinese air superiority.. And air superiority as kind of key on the modern battlefield.
Anyways, love your videos, keep up the good work!
And I would expect a few F-22 to pop up, well maybe not these days
@@gups4963 i wouldnt be surprised if the usaf had a top secret air wing in Taiwan. US generals would have to be stupid not to realize how essential taiwan would be for air bases.
quick tip: in 2020 there are already 1-2 brigade has been deployed that equipped with J20, than means lat least 8-16 J20
That was my thought; I'm not in the PLA, but I woulda gone full SEAD and land based cruise missile strike for a first strike against the island. Knock out enemy air defense and SAM network whilst avoiding a massive furball.
Konodera--Good analysis, but I'm not sure I agree with you about targeting the sam net vs airfields. Sam nets are easer to field than repairing airfields. U.S. reinforcements need those airfields because they can't attack China directly with midair refueled aircraft flown in from Italy or something on their own time table. With all the airfields gone, Taiwan would be totally on their own until a carrier group arrived that China might not be politically able to attack directly.
Further, rearming the carrier group is easier with local airfields than it is without them. I agree with Cap that the airfields should be China's main target...but will add that with working airfields, the U.S. might even base some types of reinforcements a lot quicker than Cap has suggested.
I will add to your excellent analysis by saying the the attacks from China would be scheduled to be round the clock...just like the U.S. does. Group two takes of right in front of group one landing, then group one refuels quickly and flies deeper into the interior to rearm or some similar dance.
I will also remind everyone that midair refueling is not available to the Chinese...an extremely serious tactical asset. When the U.S. carrier group arrives they would sail right into the Taiwan straight and shut down the airspace with round the clock cap kept aloft in part by tankers flown in from distant airfields...forcing the Chinese to either attack them or stop attacking Taiwan.
You need scuds or something to represent the PRC Strategic Missile Force, which would be hammering Taiwan at the same time. Also their Navy.
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@Samurai 7 That’s more of a “Day Two” factor.
@Samurai 7 You can’t steam a CSG from Yokohama to Taiwan in an hour. Also, that is far beyond their radar range, and there isn’t a fleet constantly in the Taiwan Strait.
@Samurai 7 Not if the Chinese fire their anti-ship cruise missiles at them. Providing that that Chinese have allocated sufficient primary, backup and support forces to take Taiwan, this would be a no brainer. Taiwan would fall within hours. Simply because they are right next to each other and that Taiwan is an island defending against overwhelming force that can arrive rapidly (this isn't the age of sail or even WW2), and that's without talking about fighting by attrition, because they dont need to. Not when they can simply sit back and fire long range missiles from their mainland.
Also there is one VERY major flaw to this scenario. The human players know the exact battleplan of the opposing forces!
The invasion will come by massive human waves brought over by thousands of civilian fishing boats. They will get in close following the belt buckle fighting strategy. Much too close for air support. China will protect its Navy and Air Force by not employing them. A light highly maneuverable human wave force of infantry will overwhelm the island. Any American carrier in the area will quite easily be sunk by a salvo of dozens of anti-ship missiles that will completely overwhelm its defensive missile and Gatling guns. The “Little Green Men” concept of special forces infiltration as part of the advanced party will shut down commo and internet. Our command group has hashed out many possible scenarios for invasion, but given their military’s status, equipment, strength, and logistic capabilities, this scenario always plays out as the most logical and by far the most successful. They will simply take technology out of the equation, since our modern armies are technologically hamstrung, and can no longer sustain or support massive man on man infantry battles.
This stuff is stunning and your commentary is like older( Stewart and Hobbs) type F1 racing coverage. Mesmorizing videos. Kudos and Cheers!
Great video Cap!! 👍👍
And Damp's vector steers were great to listen to, 51:54 had me believing...😁
Bloody awesome mission. Great job by Kortana and Simba!
This is gaming in another level!! What a awesome simulation to watch!!! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for the recreation of the first battle between the colonies vs the cylons.
2 much battlestar
Love these types of simulations, would be interesting to see a full showdown between Pakistan and India's air forces in the Kashmir region and see how that woud play out!
Well that would be difficult because unlike real life, in DCS the Rafale does not fire the meteor. And the indian aircraft use a very advanced Israeli electronic warfare system on their planes to jam the enemy radar and communication. That can't be emulated on DCs.
I don't think it can be simulated as none of the maps capture the amount of terrain there is in those regions I only see Syria map, persian gulf map and Cyprus map none have 7000 plus meter mountain which make it hard for radars.. plus the comment previously made
Truth is most of war will be fought on other fronts not kashmir in plain areas of Punjab and rajasthan/sindh.
@@max2008abhi Well that didn't work in Februray 2019 so can't say it's really needed in DCS.
@@A7XKoRnRocks1 it did work in 2019, resulting in the shootdown of the f-16. Pakistan and its allies deny it because it dents the reputation of the f-16. But constant air exercises with the Israelis, Singaporean and american f-16 prove that those jammers work very well.
I want a play by play on the Chinese pilot who dodged 12 missles back to back lol
He was a freaking boss.
He reminds me that Great Ace Pilot....Mihaly A Shilagi 😎
That was absurd. Had to replay that one a number of times!
@@f14tomcat46 It's the guy the kill Wiseman
@@luongduc9119 yes it is
Defend the country?! -100000 social credit score!!
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That J-16 was incredible
yeh, slightly worrying...
Only half way into the briefing and already digging the new series.. Please keep it up.
I'm from The USA 🇺🇸. I just recently discovered you guy's on CZcams. Man I so love this channel. It's really cool. I'm a fan for sure.
Man.....the AI pilot for that Flanker was crazy badass.
Is that Mihaly? (AC7 players be like:)
A draw is a win for Taiwan. Some senior Chinese officers will be transferred for their failure to neutralize all the targets.
I think the real threat to Taiwan during the very beginning of the conflict would be Dungfeng ballistic missile spam rather than cruise missiles or PLAF air strike. China would not need any fancy hypersonics or ICMB assets to strike Taiwan. They have tons of SRBMs, from old to new generations. Plus, probably there will be very strong EW attempt from PLAF and PLAN to tone down Taiwan defense structure. PLAN vessels will also attempt to intercept Taiwanese airplanes. I think these parts should be considered.
China could just stop trade and that would devastate Taiwan.
An aircraft carrier can go 33 knots if the carrier group is 200 miles away say about 6 hrs. But I say the US would know of a build up before the attack . So try putting a destroyer 10 miles off the coast in front of each airfield. and the rest of the Carrier group behind the island.
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Things that aren't shown here are
1) Chinese jets wouldn't get anywhere near the Taiwan patriot batteries heck they wouldn't leave their own missile shield
2) Aegis system would make a big difference in adding to Taiwan capabilities however China would have to deal w those w anti ship missiles like DF10 I dont think they have in game
3) china would send at least 100 to 150 jets not just 40 or so
4) the munitions fired from planes would be nothing compared to ground based missiles China has which I dont think are in game
5) there would be at least 2000 long range missiles coming from china side in like first volley alone not to mention submarine launch missiles they may have it would be very hard for Taiwan and their airforce n navy to function after 5-6 days
Love the work tho do keep it up 💯💯💯 always look forward to your content
Taiwan doesn’t have aegis system. They’re developing a system similar to it but they don’t have the years of research as the US and other power do. Lastly China would impose a whole embargo on the Taiwan prior to invading the island. I doubt the US would get involved because that would mean WW3.
Why not? We're at war with Russia despite them being a nuclear power, and Ukraine isn't as important to U.S. national security as Taiwan due to semiconductors.
I do think tho the U.S. wouldn't have the guts to have a strong presence in Taiwan to defend the island on Day 1. They'd spend a few weeks building up presence around Japan and the Philippines and giving the UK and Australia time to bring forces up, but by then I expect Taiwan may already be taken or cut off. Would be more difficult to proceed strategically from there. And THEN I think the U.S. may instead want to pursue economic sanctions, etc. on China.
This wouldn't be like Ukraine where there's wide borders to bring in equipment for Ukraine to defend itself. Hence why it'd be vital to be there to assist on Day 1. One major advantage is it would be very difficult for China to invade by surprise. We would see them moving all the equipment and personnel to the area for weeks or months leading up to the invasion. So either we would decide then to send in 50k troops before the war begins, or let China cut off the island and very possibly take it. And then what's the objective? Just to re-take the island? Or fullscale war with China?
I am no Military Expert -- just a Retired Credit Analyst.
So I have to ask:
Was there a shortage of China-Taiwan Maps, such that you had to use a Syria-Cyprus one?
Moral of the story would be for Taiwan to get its fighters in the air, hold to the West (on your map) , have heaps more long range SAMs to blunt the attack, then bring the fighters back to the battle to clear up whatever Chinese aircraft are left and hunt the cruise missiles. Also have far more close in weapons at the airfields to take out Chinese missiles CIWS style. That would be if China didn’t have hundreds more fighters, bombers, missiles on the way and thousands of land based cruise, ballistic and SAM missiles being launched from their coast. Plus, China would have hundreds of ships providing another SAM umbrella and pounding Taiwan too. Taiwan needs a way to take out the Badgers and cruise missiles before they can launch, or hope they can inflict enough Chinese losses to rattle the Chinese attack. No point waiting for friendly nations to help - it’s all over before anyone can do a thing.
_" ... it’s all over before anyone can do a thing. ..."_
Of course there are political goals in the real world, like actually invading and occupying Taiwan, which would involve a large number of boats crossing the straight, with a bunch of them getting destroyed by Hsiung Feng III missiles; an amphibious assault, PLA soldiers marching into a meat grinder, etc.
And Taiwan has a little ace up its sleeve -- indigenous, supersonic Yun Feng cruise missiles that could blow very large holes in the Three Gorges Dam.
@@cacogenicist 1. Three Gorges Dam is a civilian building, not military target, even tho Taiwan military forces threatened China many times saying they will attack the Three Gorges Dam, but actually attacking it will be totally terrorism instead of military offensive, your point is like "If American invade Afghanistan, Al-Qaeda has a little ace up their sleeve which is a Boing 767 that will crash into the WTC office buildings"...
2. Three Gorges Dam is strong enough to survive small nuclear weapons, the Yun Feng cruise missile can't destroy it with only some little dynamite payload in the warhead, even if it have a nuclear warhead it's still not enough to destroy the Three Gorges Dam, the only scenario I could think of about the destruction of the Three Gorges Dam is a full global nuclear armageddon, something like Americans spamming multiple nuclear ballistic missiles on the dam
Cap, your research into setting up these sims is absolutely unbelievable!!!
It was good fun.
Well this shows how strategic paced roads with a secondary use as emergency runways are absolutely crucial to keep fighting after airfields are destroyed.
Ye it's a great capability. I know that the Swedish Airforce had it as a requirement during the cold war in the event of a nuclear strike destroying runways. I like to imagine you'd get less potholes than you do here in the UK too lol.
@@PapaBrejj Isn't it why Gripen can basically take off and land at on a "pathway" if its long enough?
@@dominatorandwhocaresanyway9617 A-10s were similarly built to be able to land on anything semi flat. This was to allow it to be deployed to and stay close to the front lines.
@@aauwhatitdo1582 sorry didnt really know that at the time. It makes sense tho. The plane is so rugged it can withstand 23mm rounds, so having strenghtened tires and a good suspension is a no brainer
@@dominatorandwhocaresanyway9617 Yeah. They'd probably do something similar for the F-15E or jets like the Su-27, but gears on the Gripen and A-10 are EXTREMELY heavy.
@25:00 "What we really can't afford to do is lose these forward operating bases which are so tactically important..."
-*Air Chief Marshal H. Dowding and The Few liked this*
Our missiles have to shoot down their missiles at a rate of 4 to 1 just to break even...
Still, at least Taiwan won't have to put up with Lovejoy in a Spitfire..
I was raised and born in Taiwan and I'll do my best to fill up some gaps on the history part as unbiased as I can.
The boundary of Taiwan’s ADIZ was set with the US government in 1953 after ROC (Taiwan) has joined ICAO. However, in 1999, the US government has requested ROC to keep its activity within the Taiwan Strait. At that time, USA has recognized PROC (Mainland China) as a country, ROC is no longer a member of UN. ROC can only monitor, but military vehicles should not pass that line.
Note: As of now, there is no formal agreement/contract between ROC, PROC and USA about military activity, but it is basically an unwritten rule no military vehicles (ships, submarines, aircraft....etc ) should pass Taiwan Strait. Also, the "midway point" Cap mentioned or that black line between two places is the Taiwan Strait.
I hope it helps :)
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I loved that little ‘ooh’ just before Cortana died. Excellent flying and shooting though.
It wouldn’t be crazy to assume that a lot of these run ways are gone from unsimulated ballistic missiles or naval missiles.
i dont think the f16s will have a chance to take off, even if they do, it will be a limited amount of numbers will be destroyed by pl15
I was in a discussion 2 days ago about China. I semi-predicted a strike on Taiwan by the CCP. I stumbled onto this today because of the YT algorithm. I am at 32:43, and I would expect China to dominate in the real world. The world implications going forward are pretty terrifying... Once again "The Great Red Threat" is looming...
The limitations of DCS aside, I think it is very unfair to place human pilots on one side only and to have them re spawn infinitely. Once they are taken down, they respawn again and again and take out a lot of enemy ai fighters. Maybe next time you could divide the humans into two for both red and blue force.
Is that the next phase of warfare 🤔🧐🤪
will in real life they will bomb the runway using missiles first
@@iamreallycaiin real life they can shoot over 200 plus cruise missiles. The first attack with 100 ballistic missiles. Plus air aircraft.
The Map shown in the Video is Cyprus and not Taiwan. Go ahead and Google. Cyprus and Taiwan are 8300 Km (5150 Miles) apart form each other.
Cyprus is just a placeholder because the game doesn't have Taiwan or smth.
Btw, Taiwan's ADIZ extends all the way into the territory of mainland China if you look carefully (around 3:50 in the video). So if you take off from Fujian province (part of mainland China), you are already in Taiwan's ADIZ. That is how ridiculous that is.
Why is it ridiculous?
@@TheVineOfChristLives Unless PRC and ROC are the same country, what ROC does here is literally declaring the air space of another country as their own ('defence' is in the name for a reason).
Just imagine that Russia extends its ADIZ into the US, and cries when an US plane takes off from a US airfield...
@@divinity_1234 czcams.com/video/JD_EBrnSNa8/video.html the private army aka the PLA of the CCP should have done better to take Kinmen and Matsu Islands then in 1949.. since they were so weak then, it’s a shame now that ADIZ of Taiwan should rightfully extend that far.
@@TheVineOfChristLives The problem here is that Taiwan cries about mainland China for entering its ADIZ, when the reality is that the planes of the PLA are far from entering Taiwan (as a place. You know ROC and Taiwan are different right?).
Also, by that logic, mainland China should cry about ROC entering its air space too :P
In real life, first strike by China would be done by missiles and rocket artillery and drones to hit the taiwanese airports and runways. These will soak up a lot of the air defense missiles as well.
As for the SAMs, Chinese SEADs will deal with them pretty easily. Another reason why SAMs in real life won't win your air wars.
So the Chinese air force is not even likely to fight an air battle, they'll just be used for support role,
such as clearing the areas where the Chinese marine would land, and help the ground forces to push farther in from the beachhead.
I am a new subscriber and wow!! I was on the edge of my seat watching Cortana and Simba at the end trying to take out the cruise missles. 👍👍👍
People dont realize, it's not aircraft that taiwan needs to worry about. Taiwan is within artillery strike of China. They used to shell the offshore islands all the time. If China wanted to, they could level Taiwan from the mainland without use of airpower.
Other intersting observation of this scenario..... Design of airfields. Obviously Cap targeted taxiways that connect to main runway. And, the hits did take those out...as well as main runway. In the future, ALL military/civilian joint-use airfields should have multiple taxiways on BOTH sides of main runway that can function as makeshift runway if main is damaged. Basically make all bases "three runway" configurations with many taxiway connections allowing alternate ground flow post-attack. And... where were the anti-missile defenses on these bases???? Once they got close, it seems minimal loss to ground defenses???
How it should have started: [Cap] Hello everyone and I hope you're all doing very well. The question has been asked, "Can Kortana take on the entire PLAAF?"
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lol, well the answer is apparently no, but I can make them waste enough missiles to equal the value of my jet
The improved J-10C are really reliable. Even achieved a k-d ratio of 3-1 against the Rafale
You people do great work. Y'all show off the great range of the software. The simulations and the scope of it make a for gratifying entertainment. Looking to watch the whole playlist.
Unfortunately, the first thing that would happen would be Red China lighting the fuses of the hundreds and hundreds of short and medium range ballistic missiles facing Taiwan. These are largely way past the point of being merely scud analogs. A lot of them are now capable of gps guidance, and some are able to engage in active terminal course correction. Most are conventional warheads...there are likely to be a set carrying non-persistent nerve agent warheads. Taiwan's military response, in terms of aircraft, is going to be almost non-existent for a series of days. Flight times of the majority of these missiles are under eight minutes. Taiwan's military airfields would take 20 to 30 missile strikes each, in the first of perhaps 3 initial waves.
Doesn't Taiwan have some missiles that can hit Shanghai or some other Chinese mainland city?
I was thinking about the same. why will the Chinese send in the bombers if the the missiles can do the job.
@@AgentSmith911 and what would they possibly gain from hitting shanghai? what did germany gain from bombing london? those cities arent strategic bases.
you could argue that it is "terror bombing" but i doubt that would suddenly stop the chinese in middle of their military operation. it certainly didnt work on the british.
@@AgentSmith911 if Taiwan launches a missile to Shanghai, gloves are off.
@@AgentSmith911 nah then they will see 3rd Hiroshima 😂
Great work putting this together. Must have taken you forever. This would probably be a 2nd strike, the 1st would be 1000-2000 ballistic missile strike on all runways, bases, and any remaining military targets. They would hope this would take away a lot of the Taiwanese airforce freeing up the skies a bit for the strike you modelled here, which would take place alongside barrages from naval forces to keep pressure on secondary airbases, radar stations and transport links, as well as help with Air defence. Obviously can’t be modelled (yet). 2-3 days would see all Taiwanese airforce destroyed maybe? In any case great video and look forward to phase 2
EMP missile will be included in 1st wave.
Taiwan has 5 special sections on the highway system that fighter jets can land. All of them have been tested with landing and take-off of the fighter jets. Each of them is 2400 meters long. There are also two special airbases which are bored into the mountains. One in the north and another in the south.
Taiwan has 6000 operational air/naval defense missiles. Taiwan government just bought 1500 stinger missiles and 670 launchers. The first real fight will be lots of missiles. Taiwan military claimed that they can fix the runway within 3 to 4 hours.
wow!
Realistically, the runways would be destroyed by missiles and rocket artillery. There can also be different types of warheads on them, such as anti-personnel mines, delayed fuses. Good luck trying to repair a minefield.
If you know that, every Chinese Army know that. Still going to blow that up....
@@SunnySzetoSz2000 Everyone knows. That is why US is activating airfields across the pacific and giving Australia nuclear submarines. US and Taiwan have been preparing for this fight since 1949. The retired head of US pacific command usually shows up to "observe" the yearly Taiwan war game against Chinese invasion of Taiwan.
Only 100 miles away from Mainland. If you know so do the Chinese, Sunshine.
I believe Teresa Teng 鄧麗君 had once been the only person in this world, with her sweet voice and good songs, who could link up the emotion of all Chinese people all over the World including Taiwan and the Mainland China. I cannot find another singer who has such a strong magic power.
Very well thought out and played, so I hate to throw cold water on the vid, but any Chinese attack on Taiwan would be proceded with ballistic missiles on airfields. The real battle will be between the ballistic missiles and the runway repair crew. However, Taiwan may start using some of their highways as alternative runways for their fighters.
The good news is that can do another one of these. lol
do a Taiwan first strike
onto mainland china >)
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Haha nice
If the Chinese were to conduct a first strike against Taiwan, they would absolutely have naval forces in the area to hit the SAM sites that would put the aircraft at risk and to push through a land invasion
Adding to this, Taiwan would have naval assets in the area, not only to counteract the Chinese naval assets, but also to act in an air defense capacity.
Taiwan has the four former Kidd-Class (now Kee Lung-class) DDGs, which each sport 2x Mk 26 launchers for SM-2MR Surface-to-Air Missiles, ten Cheng Kung-class frigates equipped with Mk 13 launchers for RIM-66 Standard missiles, as well as some French-made Frigates, and former Knox-class frigates that have some air defense capability.
On top of that, the Ta Chiang (second ship of the home grown Tuo Chiang-class corvette) was built with a launcher for the TC-2N (Sky Sword II) SAM, and new ships of that class are expected to be built with the same capability.
I imagine it would be pretty amazing to see all this from the ground. The sights and sounds would be something to behold
Probably quite horrifying. I'd like to visit Taiwan, but I don't wanna get caught in the middle lol
Would be interested to see a future campaign based on this scenario.
Looks like the prox sensor on the AIM-9X is messed up in DCS. At least 2x of the "amazing dodges" would have been fragged IRL. Well within the kill radius of the warhead.
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Bots don't understand what is needed, but what they think.
But they are fun to watch
Take a shot every time you hear Kortana. Think someone has a gamer crush.
Though ideally the first wave of strike won't be airborne, it will be mostly ballistic missiles and long range rockets...maybe give China side some scuds to simulate that? Still good vid :)
Aye the first strike would be a massive ballistic and crusie missile strikes and then the planes move in
Problem is, chinas current missiles are precision ones.
@@aitorbleda8267 they have a sht ton of dumb rockets
@@hemendraravi4787 My guess is they would coordinate a salvo of dumb and smart rockets and destroy the AAA plus planes as much as possible.
Also, overwhelming force.
I hope this doesn't happen
@@aitorbleda8267 as much as I don’t want war but I’m just super curios to see how the battle would take place but it’s a horrible thought as there are just casual civilians like me over there but still air to air combat is just so cool
That moment when because you were on the BBC website and because I was reading faster than Cap - I tried scrolling the Web page. 🤪🤪🤪
Me too
Yeah. 🙄
How embarrasing for you??
@@grimreapers the use of language in a certain way confirms that this was Cap. So Cap, was ì embarrassed? Nope I was too busy laughing at myself. Plus if I was embarrassed I would not have shared lol.
Dang the slomo shots are sick. Haven’t seen these in recent vids. Bring those back!
Dear Grim Reapers:
Great Video! More detail than I ever saw!
However, at the 12:19 mark, when you "identify" six Taiwanese Bases, you might want to put numbers next to them!
This one is not so much fun to see play out. It could actually happen in real life leading to war in the Pacific. Too many factors like Missile cover and targeting were missed, I think. This battle in real life will be devastating, since the coastal China Areas and most of Taiwan will be within range of each other weapons. Imagine the Battle Of Britain with the whole German Luftwaffe plus VI and VII rockets backing them (Try that scenario maybe one day).
Loving this idea cap 😁
Basically it's the carrier attack idea on steroids...
@@grimreapers Everything a man could ask for
well this explains why W.O.P.R is now glowing red
Well done. That PL-15 is scarry. How many fighters did the Hawks kill? Would it make more sense to reserve them for killling the cruise missiles? Not at all sure if you can do that in game, or if they wouldn't ignore those instructions anyway.
Good work.
But all the PRC nerds tell me their first move would be massive bombardment of Taiwanese bases, airstrips, and radar stations by precision rocket artillery. Followed by anti-radiation loitering munitions to neutralize residual threats. The PLAAF would really be just doing clean up operations and escort/patrol duties.
哈哈，这里都是一群精虫上脑的傻逼。
Wouldn't the Chinese first send in drones to trigger Taiwanese sam sites?
Very impressive. A real nail-biter. You guys did a fantastic job!!!
Their air defense area is defined by the area around the islands that Taiwan also controls, not just their main island nation.
I liked that great Vid. I agree I think that's about the PLAA accurate capabilities for a first wave. But the follow on wave would be about 60 minutes after the first. If not sooner. It would be just as powerful as the first. You can also expect a coordinated simultaneous attack from PLAN aircraft and cruise missiles on Naval and tactical targets accompanied another set of attacks from PLA forces land based cruise missiles on strategic targets.
Watching the brief , this is like a Binkov scenario in DCS,, which makes me think , maybe that's a topic for a series, trying to recreate (youtube) battle scenarios in DCS. maybe?
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What game/sim is this?
I love the content as someone that grew up with my grandpa watching black and white war movies to modern ones and playing games since I was a kid having the benefit of of my dad being a programmer.
But as a adult that had to travel to China, India, Europe , etc etc and being infatuated with politics at 16 years old (because quite frankly it is the ultimate totem of power)
This is great, fun and also shows the devastation if these scenarios were ever to come into fruition.
Great work, got a sub 4 life from me! Hope to see more content!
It would be interesting to use the missals that can hit bejing and other mainland targets in this scenario
I wonder how many of the taiwan rockets would hit the mainland targets
From Wikipedia: Taiwan Air Defence Zone.
TaiwanEdit

Typical ADIZ map from the Taiwan MND, showing a September 2020 incursion involving entry into southwest ADIZ and crossing of median line.
Taiwan has an ADIZ that covers most of the Taiwan Strait, part of the Chinese province of Fujian, Zhejiang, and Jiangxi and part of the East China Sea and adjacent airspace. Taiwan's ADIZ was designed and created by the United States Armed Forces (USAF) after World War II.[14] The ADIZ is also the basis of Taipei Flight Information Region.[15]: 15
Although the ADIZ technically covers parts of China's Fujian and Zhejiang provinces in its northwestern part, PLA flights in these areas are not reported as incursions. Maps of the Taiwan ADIZ usually also include the Taiwan strait median line as a reference.
Around 9% of Taiwan's national defence budget reportedly goes into response to Chinese sorties. These sorties usually involve flight inside the southwest part of the ADIZ, crossing of the median, or circumnavigation.[16]
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The Taiwanese naval assets should be added. They are integrated into Taiwans IADS.
Also the Taiwanese continually update SOPs based on Chinese threats. Should rerun scenario with Taiwanese assets using better tactics and ECM to help reduce PL-15 threat.
Didn't realise, thanks
Wow what a great video! Solid work and effort guys thank you!
These simulations must be a lot of work, and you guys seem to be having fun.
As always, great video and very entertaining despite de sobering reality behind the China/Taiwan issue. If the Chinese ever attack Taiwan it will most likely be on a massive scale and consist of multiple naval/air shock groups and landing groups. They will want it done quickly before anyone else jumps in. This simulation provides some level of insight into the details of how it would unfold at tactical level - which is amazing. All the best!
Actually, Taiwan's strategic location makes it difficult for a surprise attack...only 10% of the Taiwanese coast is suitable for large scale landing and the Taiwanese strait has one of the most volatile wheather in the world....It would be impossible for China to do a surprise attack as Taiwanese intelligence network would snif out preperations for an invasion and warn the Taiwanese and the Americans in advance....
Now simulate if Taiwan can survive Tochka missile strikes, because China has a lot of mobile missiles which would probably all fire simultaneously at all the radars and airfields.
Realistically, anyone who knows anything about how much American hardware Taiwan already has on land knows that:
- No matter how many missiles China launches onto the land in Taiwan, it won't be without repercussions.
- No matter how many soldiers are sent onto transport ships towards Taiwan, there are anti-landing devices in place. The anti-ship missiles would be striking them before they even got halfway to Taiwan. Depending on how many soldiers China sends, thousands to tens of thousands could die.
- No matter how many naval ships are in the water, they would all be destroyed.
- A lot of the planes that China sends over/near Taiwan during war would be destroyed within seconds. Taiwan is quite a small island vs China, yes. But when you're playing DEFENSE against an invasion, that's a good thing. Less to cover. More room for hardware to be literally all over the place. China can't strike all locations of missiles, portable missiles systems, etc. In the case of China sending planes over Taiwan, the planes can't really fly that high and still strike decently. Taiwan employs the Tien Kung, or Sky Bow in English, SAM system. Those are freaking 6 meter long missiles with a top speed of Mach 7 and a range of 200km. China has crappy planes that do not have stealth as a strong point. They wouldn't have a chance. Most of their aircraft would be immediately destroyed after just a single missile or bomb drop.
If China wants to lose a lot of soldiers, expensive equipment, planes and ships, then try it.
The scenario of war happening is America's goal and ultimate victory. All the things that happen afterwards is an afterthought to USA. And they don't care how many Taiwanese die. That's the truth
@@youngz13o Clearly you've been missing China's continual rhetoric over the past several years about invading Taiwan by force if necessary. America itself has dealt with a number of wars that affected our homeland. We've had our own civil war. There were a total of 2,335 military personnel killed during the Pearl Harbor bombings, including 2,008 navy personnel, 109 marines, and 218 army. Added to this were 68 civilians, making the total 2,403 people dead. How many people died during World War 1 where Americans were fighting alongside other countries on behalf of other countries that they didn't live in? A lot. World War 2? Vietnam? Korea? China doesn't care how many Taiwanese die.
@@user-tb2jy9lu3d lol youstill think America is the good guys after their war track record post ww2? how many people in the middle east has died compared to Americans in the past 20 years.
@@youngz13o How many? Not nearly enough terrorists, that's how many. Putin the dictator, former KGB murderer and Nazi-like leader is certainly far from good.
@@omegacentauri73 China joined in on the fight *with* North Korea. There is a difference. We're also not fighting many ground wars nowadays. The United States would deal a crushing blow to China in war presently. Their planes are garbage, their hypersonic missiles are useless because they have to fly high and fast whereas sub-sonic missiles are still radar-evading and can hug the ocean and land. There's a reason why the US didn't choose to rush to hypersonic missiles. They're not all that great and have drawbacks, like the above. Among other things, cutting off China's economy. Most of what they produce is complete garbage. It's found in the Dollar Tree stores and on a variety of places online. Any other countries manufacturing in place of China couldn't be anything but an improvement. Removing all Chinese IPO's from the US stock market would obliterate China presently. They need America.
That is the difference between China and America. China is a notorious international human rights abuser. They've been under dictators since their existence.
An Air Defense Information Zone (ADIZ) is not considered sovereign territory. Zones are created on a country by country level and not defined by international standards. As far as the incursions into Taiwan, the zone did what is was supposed to, identify potentially hostile aircraft. The Chinese apparently did not violate boundaries that most countries would see as their sovereignty assuming Taiwan is considered sovereign.
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Honestly I couldn't see the Chinese performing a first strike without a massive advantage in combat power. Also I don't know if a J20 is stealthy if it goes supersonic; I've heard the shockwave can be seen on search radars.
This is still inaccurate due to DCS limitations (Can't do a amphibious landing) and the wildcard of nearby US and Japanese forces.
And any UK carrier F35's ordered to help. (If permission is granted. If in range and if they are also engaged.)
I am wondering how many indian and russian assets would get involved at the same time. This is a pressure cooker of people that arent afraid to stand up.
Another great video from Cap and the Reapers. Sounds like a reggae band...lol This would be great to see again but with the US carrier group already there to help defend. Excellent stuff. Love these videos.
lol :)
"Sorry Taiwan!" -famous last words. Lmao.
Man, those HAWKS suck. But now, I have a craving for some Kung Pao chicken.
lols Lohr is always thinking with his stomach...
for a fight just 160 miles the f16's wouldn't need 2 drop tanks i think one center and extra weapons would be a better load out
I'm just imagining the reaction an English speaking Taiwanese F-5 pilot would have to watching this video.
I'm really amazed by the complexity of your simulations! Just wondering what is your computer specs to be able to smoothly run this DCS.
Well Cap my sources tell me that a US Carrier Battle Group can cover 700 nautical miles per day. Yokosuka, Japan, the home port of the 7th Fleet is around 1166 nautical miles distant from 🇹🇼 Taiwan. My maths isn't great but I think the US Fleet would arrive after around 36 to 38 hours.
All this is based upon the US 7th Fleet being in home port. Everything (ships and crew) being ready to sail. Any need for Tico'sand Burke's to refuel would delay departure times. Even a Nimitz Class needs to take on supplies including Avgas. One would hope that operational necessity would have this completed as soon as they dock and not leave it to the last few hours before departure.
I would strongly suggest that a US President who left it that late wasn't doing his job correctly. It would have to involve failure on a massive scale by the intelligence agencies i.e. CIA and NSA. His National Security Advisor and the Secretary of State would have failed too. Heightened tensions prior to the attack ought to have seen at least 1 CVBG movement towards Taiwan. Probably 2 or 3 of them. Thus cutting sailing times somewhat.
Either that or the President chose to disregard the information passed to him through fear of a Nuclear response.
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@@grimreapers You're welcome.
You should bundle up a bunch of these scenarios you’ve built over the years (including this one), and sell them as a pack! Even if it came with a required mod list I would 110% buy that
Nice new playlist looking forward to it!
Adding facts: They reason why the air-identification zone is into mainland China is because back in the 50s, Taiwan has complete air superiority and thus have the capability to fly flights into mainland china, and they do that to annoy the PLAAF back in the early days, though with the concentration of S-300s and ballistic missiles they don't do that since the 70s.