The Battle on the Ice, 1242 - Teutonic Knights vs. Alexander Nevsky
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Alex seems a good priest, a good warrior and general with decent diplomatic skills.
Prince by the way not priest.
There were just 35 knights, 20 of them were killed 6 imprison. Do not need to repeat soviet era myth.
So...
Are you telling us that the Battle on the Ice, the result of a Teutonic (read: *German* ) invasion on *slavic* Novgorod?
*Guys, is this a prequel?*
Rafael Nóbrega no it’s not a Pre-World War One, it’s something else in history
A Soviet movie from 1938 did make the Teutonics into Nazi's.
2:40 Yaroslav's campaign
Yes, except the world war part.
@@TheSunderingSea Nothing changed. Even today west treats russians as subhumans.
In 1939, Prokofiev arranged the music of the film score as the cantata, Alexander Nevsky, Op. 78, for mezzo-soprano, chorus, and orchestra. It is one of the few examples of film music of Alexander Nevsky that has found a permanent place in the standard repertoire, and has also remained one of the most renowned cantatas of the 20th century. A magnificent piece of music that hooked me on classical music.
Was that in the Why We Fight series? I remember that film went back deep into Russian history and this battle was mentioned.
Those Teutonic knights look so badass and sinister in the black and white with the dark looking helmet crests...Nevskys army looks awesome too i actually like his armor as well, plated all over...with the mask.
Russian armor is too Asian looking for my taste.
I prefer German/Spanish Knight armor.
It looks far more menacing and like something out of Warhammer.
@@phillip_iv_planetking6354 What's wrong with asian armour? They tend to look awsome, too.
@@Vitalis94 Nothing.
I just do not prefer it.
@@phillip_iv_planetking6354 lol good opinion but the stuff in warhammer is something from these guys not the other way around
depictions usually barely accurate and lacking of the glamour old neatly worked armor had to it
nobody excessively precision working by hand anymore or properly gilding, silver plating or niello applying to a impressive looking degree anylonger, so that especially newer paintings mostly a work of pure imagination ....and old ones just too crude...
also prefer our high medieval arms of western Europe over those bastardized late byzanthian pseudo mongol chimera garments of the Post-Rus
got a seal matrix from a most likely Ordensritter showing a bull.....bet he also had horns on his helmet like this one dude from the old Newski movie with them hilarious head-buckets
Alexander Nevsky is recognized as a Saint in the Russian Orthodox Church. He is, for me a true hero of the Faith.
@Nom Anor If he didn't he and Novgorod would have been destroyed just like Kiev and others. At some point you have to pick your battles.
@@TheSunderingSea Novgorod was destroyed... but not by the mongols, but muscovites "future russians" instead succesfully erasing it's disticntivness as a soveregin state.
@Nom Anor, he betrayed russians to Mongols IN CONCORD WITH THE CHURCH.
Mongols promised tax exemption for the church, so the patriarch literally lead the invaders into Vladimir city.
are you still surprized he is a saint?
@@asrerere9061 Occupation by Muscovy was quite bloodless and tame, they essentially marched into the city with no opposition. In contrast the Mongols would have razed Novgorod and kill most of the people in the city.
@Nom Anor unlike the teutons the mongols didnt force their religion and culture on to other people. The mongols only cared about money so aslong you submitted to them and payed tribute they didnt care.
Those old pictures of the clashes drawed by hand are awesome! So many details!
Fascinating! Few people realize much of the Russo-German rivalry we see throughout history and in particular the 20th century started out over this conflict in 1242 A.D. And this is a good example of Medieval inter-sectarian conflict not between Protestant and Catholic (as what happened in much of the 16th century), but between Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox...
Russo_German Rivalry wasn't that much of a deal for a long time. There was the battle of the ice then there was nothing for centuries until the 7 years war and then the rivalry from the time when Germany was united at the end of the 19th century. And in the late 18th and much of the 19th century one could more likely speak of a Russo-German alliance.
Germany has lost to Russia every single time they go to war.
Except of WWI where Russia lost to Germany mostly of economy reasons just a year before Antanta won this war. That's why you won't hear WWI discussion from Russians that very often.
all wars are arranged by the Jews, remember this
You almost have "10 times" the number of Subscribers, than both armies in that battle.
Isn't that something...
Finally some one covered this epic battle
1000 vs 500. This battle is a joke
@@user-xf6on6ic3e As most Medieval battle was.
Hastings was around ~5-8k Wilhelm normanns against ~6k Harold saxon forses, so what? English thinks (rightfully i would say) it was great battle which take honourable place in the world history.
But according to you it was a joke to, right, my braindead imbecile?
You can tell the Teutonic Knights were not heavily invested in this "crusade" in the fact that, though their forces were routed, so few knights were killed. This is very different than the behaviour of members of crusader orders in the Holy Land who were expected not to retreat. I wonder how much difference the ice made. This description didn't make it sound as though the cavalry of either side were much hindered.
there were not too many teutonic knights for this battle because of the severe defeat they suffered in poland a few months before. the mongols killed around 20000 of them. they probably weren't too keen on getting slaughtered again.
@@louiscyfer6944 ,
Yeah, that's my point. They literally didn't feel like dying. In other instances, they were more than willing to die fighting a losing battle.
@@jameswoodard4304 All the orders are designed to fight the Muslims and then the pagans. Other christians they needed an excuse like that they are attacked. In few cases there were crusades against sects but I don't know if any knight orders took part. Anyway the fight against Nowgorod was not a crusade. They tried to extend territory. So no holy obligation.
Рыцарей тогда убито было около 30...но надо знать что каждый рыцарь вел с собой рыцарское копье,это от 50 до 200 войнов....
@@leibschss правильно!
Been waiting so long for this
Awesome. Right on point. I was just thinking about this battle when I came across your page. I am sharing to everyone who knows me. Thank you, my brother.
J Stephens killin it in the interlude, I was waitin too jam. Excellent quality as always good sir, about to share this with my Pops. Thanks
thanks brother!
The music written for the movie is some best of the Soviet era.
''Horse archers'' were Kipchaks. They were mercenaries fighting everywhere back then. They also fought for Georgians against Turks in 1121 Didgori battle. They were finally terribly slapped by Mongols.
Timur Aktolga It’s also worth noting that Alexander Nevsky agreed to be a vassal to the Mongols. Not to mention that the Mongols defeated the Teutonic order at the battle of Legnica
Perhaps, and maybe even likely but not necessarily. It's thought even before, and definitely during and after the mongol invasions the Rus principalities would adopt mounted archery from native Rus boyars into their military, and eventually mounted archers would comprise the bulk of a Rus army (aside from levied peasants)
Not true, the 900 horse archers were Mongols, the Russian duchies were vassals of the Mongols and Mongol vassals got Mongol help when their lands were being threatened. In the movie Alexander Nevsky the horse archers are not shown or mentioned.
Anyone who wants to read a decent set of historical fiction regarding this era, the Brotherhood of the Sword series is great.
So glad you made this one, been waiting for a while. 😅
It's an amazing battle. I wish our sources gave more detail. Unfortunately, our understanding of the battle is pretty fuzzy.
Thankfully for this great video. It;s really so well done.
Excellent video!!! Great summary, excellent use of artwork and maps.
Thank you! I'm very proud of that video.
You should be- it is fantastic!!! I'm just starting to get into my understanding of the Crusades...im particularly interested in the Teutons.
Thank you very much for your video!!... I like this stuff. Thank you again!!...
Love it!
One of the greatest battles in History
Thank you.
From every source that I know numbers, which you listed in the video from the sides involved, are the smallest. Maximum numbers of a fighting forces of this battle were presumably 17 thousands vs 12 thousands - Alexander Nevsky`s army and Teutonic knights army`s respectively.
17k and 12k are simply not feasible given the resources available to both Novgorod and the Teutonic Order at the time. Those would both be unusually large numbers for the medieval era. For the Teutonic Order, fielding a force of 12k for this expedition would've been absolutely impossible, especially given their stretched resources in Livonia and Prussia.
This video is more correct as to the actual numbers in the battle. The Russian side had about 5000 including Alexander's men at arms 1,000, plus 2,000 Novgorod militia, 1,400 Finno-Ugrian tribesmen, and 600 Mongol horse archers
Crusader forces likely numbered around 2,600, including 800 Danish and German knights, 100 Teutonic knights, 300 Danes, 400 Germans, and 1,000 Estonian infantry.
The casualties on the Crusader side were 400 Germans and Danes killed and 50 knights captured and held for ransom. There are no records for Russian casualties except 50 Mongol horse archers. No one drowned in the lake as depicted in the movie.
A mutually beneficial truce. I'm happy, you're happy, everybody's happy!
I wish we stopped describing the Knights as being clad in "heavy" armor though.
Although is true that indeed, armour does have it's weight, that description leads not formally inteoduced people to the subject of armor, in believing that knights had to wear more wieght than a human can be comfortable with.
Thanks.
That is a good point. This armor would not have weighed these men down, they would've felt very comfortable and free in wearing it.
@@RealCrusadesHistory 💪
Heavy armor weighed about 35 pounds total.
@@robertstennett7566 more like 60
35 pounds is light armor at best
Crusader kings || Holy Fury
anyone?
Great piece of music
This is the music from the video: www.amazon.com/Lit-Sky-Roman-Lion/dp/B07P53JZ7G
watched again to absorb details. WOw, you rock. so interesting. I will show to my World History students, the kids will love it. NOW, how do we market you to continue the projects.... ??? ~ : ) __ ~~ Gavin
Love this history
Grat video more
The Teutonic Knights armor and especially helmets are awesome, I think I lived back then I would want to join their Order just to wear that armor!
Bruh I'm so overly fascinated by the teutonic order and they look so cool
Выглядят они круто на картинках, но все дело в том, что русско-византийские доспехи были тяжелей и намного лучшего качества.Жаль,что каждый такой доспех, был чудовищно дорогим.
You poor one wouldn't have been accepted without being a noble by birth. And if so, you would have to buy your armor yourself, about as expensive as a luxury car these days. Becoming a barefoot peasant in a cold and dirty village was a thousand times more likely.
@@ottosaxo not completely true... anyone could join the order up until the 1300's provided they could afford their own equipment, adhered to training and strict lifestyle, not peasants obviously but wealthy merchants, mercenaries or other "middle class" citizenry, they could become sergeants-at-arms, some would even become knighted by the Grandmaster.
First, one single day among these warriors and their scent would drive any modern man as far from them as he could get. Second, there's a lot more to getting into that armor than just wanting to "look awesome"; look it up.
Lol! Sesame Street live: Teutonics on Ice.
I didn't bring this up, but some historians question whether or not the battle even took place on the actual lake.
@@RealCrusadesHistoryfor sure, hard to believe they would think that it was a good idea unless it was unintentional... i just bought a book about sieges and battles and al-Mansurah was mentioned in it. really interesting. crusaders in Egypt. an interesting topic.
ice, ice baby
stfu baldvin🙂
@@ascaloncrusader What's the title of the book?
Would love having the sources on some of the pictures. 0:35 for example.
RCH do you think you can do a video on the Battle of Kosovo?
Good video
Can you please provide sources, I've haven't seen sources which mention precise number of brother knights casualties nor I've seen the terms.
All sources are at the end of the video.
Do you think you could make a video covering the final, grand battle of the Teutonic Order:
Grunwald, 1410?
Next: the battle against the Cathars.
that could be a good one!
@Zak Jansen nope
You could have use the track “ Battle on Ice” from the movie. I think it’s in the public domain now.
I only use my own music in my videos.
@@RealCrusadesHistory Fair enough
The fact of the movement of the Euro-aggression of the Northern Crusades against Orthodox Russia is silent, although everyone has heard about the Ice Battle of 1242, but no one knows that the Ice Battle was only a small episode of two centuries of the Euro-aggression of the Northern Crusades against Orthodox Russia along the entire western border of Russia, starting from the Carpathians and up to the Finnish The bay...
What is the comparable arms and armour between the 2 sides? Naturally the Knights would be very well equipped, but what did the Novgorodians look like?
What do you lads think about the book The Northern Crusades by Eric Christiansen?
This shoegaze you are using gives another cool taste to history
I have the DVD movie about Alexander Nevsky. I wonder how the Rus did against the Mongols? I'll research it ... Thanks for the upload!
Not so good.
The Mongols crushed the Kievan Rus. Moscow survived (mostly by surrendering) and Russian history was forever changed.
Spoiler- they lost.
However this battle was after they were conquered by the mongols. Alexander Nevski was a mongol vasal at the time of this battle.
@@NewRSM1994 No actually the mongols crushed them with ease. Moscow surrendered to them without fighting and that's why it was spared.
I don't think this battle ever happened, at least not on such a big scale as it is commonly described
It definitely happened. The question is whether or not it happened on the ice. The armies involved were small even for medieval standards.
@@RealCrusadesHistory Only source I ever found on the Ice claim appears to be the Soviet film of the same name, or at least the claim that the Teutonic Knights broke the ice and drowned.
@@TheSunderingSea You're absolutely right. There isn't a trace of evidence of ice breaking under the knights. The original sources don't mention them fighting on the ice.
@@RealCrusadesHistory; Many people who descended from the Teutonic Knights who escaped the battle still carry the name Plenn/Plehn/Blehn meaning prisoner of war!
It's a great video. I love it. I will disagree with a few of your personal assertions / summarizations, however. I found the movie to be very accurate in it's depictions of armor, battle tactics, and battle formations. Additionally I found the strategies to be very correspondent with the historical facts that I have read about. I loved the way the Russians let their foot soldiers absorb and tire out the mounted knights. The patience and sense of timing that they displayed was AMAZING ! I only wonder what would have happened if Alexander had been able to use the Tuetonic Knights to fight against the Mongols ? Although, perhaps you have some knowledge about if and when the Tuetonic Knights did encounter the Mongolian and Asian forces ? I'd love to know about it. THANKS AGAIN MY LIEGE !!!
Perhaps the one good thing about Soviet Russia and communism after WW2 was that they had an unlimited budget, lot's of unemployed men who did what they were told, and lot's of tanks and other military equipment. Some of the best and most accurate WW2 movies were produced in Russia in the mid to late 40's with the GUYS WHO WERE IN THE WAR. And for this one, I found it to be one of the best movies ever, because you had the numbers of cavalry, accurate types of armor, and battle tactics, etc. The only thing missing was actually the real blood and death ! BUT, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE ACTUAL LAKE ?? Wow. Ok, that's all for now, take care and be well, fellow Knights, savants, squires, and noble leiges'.
Glad you enjoyed the video. FYI, none of the information in the video comes from personal opinion. Every last detail I took directly from my sources, which are listed at the end. I understand that sometimes even when you do that you can get stuff wrong, because sometimes even quality sources can err. However, everything here is in fact from those listed sources, so the strength of the video rests entirely on them. I do think the sources are excellent though.
@@RealCrusadesHistory ~ Thank you for the response. Your video's and the narrative are of an exceptional level of quality, and thoroughly enjoyable to a somewhat scholar, such as myself. Nonetheless, I merely found several statements to be somewhat opinion based in nature, if nothing else. If these were not your statements, then I may think that it is best to put them in quotations. I do think that you down played the quality of the Nevsky portrayal, in this instance, if nothing more. I hope to continue the dialogue ? Do you intruct somewhere, or have any published journals ? If anything, I hope that you have copywrited everything, because it is outstanding work, that in years past would have taken entire production teams with huge budgets such as the BBC. ( YOU ROCK MAN )
Keep up the good work, and please add me to your email list, if you have one ?
@@TvOnlineInternetTv What do you know about Soviet Russia and communism, fool? You're being brainwashed.
Daniel of Galicia, who twice (in 1246-1249 and 1252-1254 ) approached the Pope and tried to resist the Horde, did not wait for the promised crusade against the Mongols
This is how Stannis will defeat Ramsay Bolton in Winds of Winter.
Did some armies wear pointy long hats?
Yes. This was so that when the enemy beat with his sword from above, the sword slid off the helmet (sorry for my English)
What’s the song at the start?
They should join forces and go to Jerusalem.
Can you do Grunwald next ?
Were spiked horseshoes used on ice?
There's a good chance the battle didn't even taken place on the actual lake. Maybe some of the fighting spilled over onto the surface of the lake. A lot of historians today doubt that there was any substantial fighting on the frozen surface.
The "Alexander Nevsky" film by Eisenstein is not only made to appeal to Communist Soviet sensibilities, it's a lot like a John Ford cowboy movie. It is a lot of fun to watch.
@Christine Taggart I can see that. :)
So not that many Teutons crashed through the ice?
Probably none. It's doubtful that much of that battle at all even took place on the actual ice.
Steven crowder does a masterful summary of the crusades date by date. The actual crusades.
Mike Corleone No, all the crusades were crusades, not just the Middle Eastern ones.
Why did people of Europe fight each other so much?
The same reason the Egyptians, the byzantines, arabs, persians.. for land, for religion, but most important for POWER! 🤔😀
Humans fight
Humans are a warlike race
Sadly the teutonics didnt learn and did it again
Yep , on 1940" s
Don't F with Teutonic knights.
To bad Hollywood wouldn't stick to the truth , because its often stranger then fiction .
I don't think there was that much of a difference between Catholic and Orthodox Christians back in the Middle ages as we know today.
2 G some theological differences but 99% of it was about power politics.
@@NathanS__ I also seem to recall that for a solid 200 years or so both sides wanted it resolved, and thought it could be resolved amicably. Well, on and off.
Yes they were. One side wanted to convert the other with FORCE. Not very godly. They also have pagan symbology. The bloodliners still in control. getting all free empires under roman papal rule is all the crusades were.
WendingWayfarer Yes they did but wasn’t just ‘let’s resolve our differences and be friends’
It was ‘let’s resolve this by you admitting you were wrong and I’m the proper authority’
Obviously no body would agree to that without some persuasion of the strong arm variety.
@@NathanS__ You'll get no argument from me. It's worth underscoring, though, that at various times both parties have felt that the theological differences were not all that severe. Indeed, I believe there were a few points where temporal forces brought them close to reconciliation. Alas, it was not to be.
I must confess that as an individual believer who has even studied the theological arguments for and against the filioque, I find the matter rather too subtle for me to muster any strong feelings. As for the authority of Rome, that is already shattered by forces outside the control of the Orthodox Church. Further this authority seems to be degraded by Rome's own actions with every passing year. It looks to me like there isn't much to fight over at this point...
I always wondered why the Teutonic Knights were allowed to have helmets with horns and why do they have some pagan elements in their order. They seem a lot more mystical and maybe darker than the templars is it because of the Nazi´s later took advantage of the name of the order to promote their paganism like the masons did with the templars, or were they really?
Because they are of the bloodlines. Crusaders were just getting rid of individual empires and putting them under the pope.
A better explanation than the one from Matt: Arms on the shields and decorations on the helmet were knights way of denoting who they were. Since helmets covered their faces and formal insignia had been forgotten since Roman times, they needed to show identities. Which family arms and helmet decorations - often a play on family name or shield arms - showed for their infantry underlings and for the enemy too, here is a target for attacking and thus drawing in an attack, and may be capturing for ransom...
The horse archers are actually Mongols who are helping the Russians protect their territory.
Alexander Nevsky (1220-1263), I have his genetic marker (N1a1a1a1a1a1a). I see his name in a long list of my relatives that were 'Grand Princes of Kiev'. This is possible because my YDNA line relative married a Árpád Bourbon dynasty female at Venice (empire of Venice era) as high nobility from Carthage empire line of King Hasdrubal the first (537 B.C.).
My Polish neighbors in northern Brooklyn tell me Nevsky was Polish. Me , I know nothing . . .
Yes yes and so was Columbus...
@@theshipoperator7227 ....uh , no he was Portuguese.
There are uneducated people everywhere, you shouldn't pay any attention to what they say.
@@Vitalis94; the Poles with the Confederation of Lituania and other smaller states were the Power in eastern Europe for Centuries!
Vater unser.... Our Father.......
love it man. absolutely love it. right on point. Please contact me if you want to get this out to more people. I'm a HS Social Studies Teacher, but I'm also an internet marketer. If you want more people to see your work, and you may be a professional company, I don't know
anyone here because of ROK?
Long live Orthodoxy!
Слава Русији!
muscovy taking novgorod, bolsheviks taking down the tzardom peter III withdraw
ing from 7 years war
(it takes a russian to take down a ruusian ERB was right)
well the bolsheviks were not russian so you are wrong. Also the mongols conquered the russians.
@@witalian1 The Bolsheviks were Russian. Only Nazis claimed they weren't.
I find the fact if the teutonics and Russians worked together the Mongols would have been obliterated
The Mongols could afford to field tens of thousands of troops, all mobile, professional, and self-sustaining, and with an insane recruitment pool
the Russians and Teutons could maybe scounge up 10k, 3/4 of whom would be lightly armed peasants
It was only when the size of the Mongols led to infighting and fracturing that they changed their focus from conquest to just fighting with each other for survival
Александр Невский Россия 🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺
What you forget is that Novgorod at that time was part of the Mongol Empire. So it was not a crusade against Russians as such. Khengis Khan threatened to overrun Europe, so any pushback was welcome.
No, I didn't forget that. But the way you're representing the situation isn't really correct. Novgorod was a tributary of the Mongol Empire, but it wasn't under Mongol rule. It was not a crusade against the Mongols, it was meant to bring Novgorod under Latin power.
This is after Genghis Khan, and the Russian Princes were tributaries of the Mongols, not their direct vassals, taking their gold was much easier than getting the Russians to risk their lives for the Mongols
@@RealCrusadesHistoryActually Mongols sent a force to protect their colony. The force attended in this battle.
Was no Russia colony this days, same as wasnt USA colony.
I would have put Estonian infantry to cover the flanks
There was that one instruction, let Me think. Oh yah. "Thou shall not kill".
Ever read the Old Testament? It's not that cut and dry. To everything there is a season. Christianity is not a pacifist religion.
Prequel 😂
If the teutonic knights were of God they wouldn't be forcing other people to convert. They weren't....
They were still attached with their old warrior culture. Mary was a battlemaiden to the order.
@@buzz_archive
They also had pagan symbology. I do know the bloodlines acted as Jews, muslims, whatever it takes for world control. They are almost there now.
Matt is probably one of these stereotypical protestant Muricans.
@Paddy Mcgill see, your not seeing my point. They worshipped mary, an idol. That is part of the 10 commandments(thou shall not worship idols). Mary is an idol. Read the bible, the only way to heaven is through jesus christ. Not praying to Mary. . The Pharaonic bloodlines created the catholic church to steal the souls of man through idol worship, taking your salvation with it. 1.8 billion Catholics not even reading the bible.
@@Berzelmayr read the bible and you will see, if you really believe and have eyes to see that the catholic church through the ages was used as a tool for conquering the world. Crusades. Look to Switzerland for answers, started after the second crusade by the templars. They then genocided all the original Germanic tribes and communities through europe to Create the borders of Switzerland. It was called the 30 year war. Or it should be called the 30 year genocide
The horrific schism.
As a Cathbro, we have many crazy Ws in history. But I’m still mad salty that we didn’t win this battle.
I believe also there is a duel between Alexander and a German Knight as well as collapsing ice to seal the battle for the russians. I do like the music score but the rest is pure fantasy and chest thumping by the russians of the day.
Nevaky was Caesar of the East. He destroyed Russian freedom.
@BulgaroSlav Dirty secret, Nevsky did dirty job of making those Forest Russians submit to Golden Horde. So commenter wasn't that wrong.
@@VoidOfDarkness9 Yes, resist the Tatars and get wiped out just like Vladimer, Kiev, Chernigov and others good idea. Nevsky submitting was the best of terrible choices
@@TheSunderingSea isn't Novgorod full of forest? I remember Europeans argues that it is impossible to conquer German for Mongolia since Germany is full of Forest etc.
@@VoidOfDarkness9 It isn't impossible to conquest a forested area, as Europeans, and particulary, Eastern Europeans, used cavalry quite extensively, but it certainly is more difficult for steppe nomads, who are accustomed to wide, open areas to operate.
@@Vitalis94 Difficult but not impossible, Chinggis(Genghis) Khan spent a long four year campaign destroying a forest confederation that had advantageous terrain.
I am technically Catholic but Alexander Nevsky is still my hero for stopping the aggressive papists and defending Orthodoxy!
It's really not that simple. Novgorod was making raids into the Latin missions as well. There was aggression on both sides. This was generally the case with most medieval conflicts, or I suppose most conflicts period.
Yeah, that's not part of the crusades.
SLAWA RODU! СЛАВА РОДУ!
Shame this great republic was destroyed and sacked by Russians or back then muscovites ...
As Ivan the Terrible stated "they were infested with swoboda", democracy and freedom had little chance so close to Moscow...
Well not really. Atleast the muscovites broke free from the tatars and conquered them, converted them to orthodox christianity and assimilated many of them. If it wasnt for the british and french (crimean war) they would have even retook constantinople from the turks.
@@BlackWolf9988 They assimilated what was left ... that does not change the fact that Republic of Novgorod was destroyed by muscovites that created Russian civilisation as we know it now, it comes as hypocricy to use their heroes as their own for me...
@@BlackWolf9988Muscowy was one of many Mongol states vying for control of the Khan Empire after it broke apart. They didn't really free from any yoke, they are the result of that yoke. Muscowy rose immensely during the Mongols, while Rus fell down...
This "battle" never happened, in 1242 livonian order was in big war with Lithuania and did not invade Novgorod. What happened, was totally other - Alexander Nevski, a mongol tax collector misused his guard unit and went to zacking Livonian lands, because most of the order knights were at war and the defense was weak because of that. But the soldiers of the Tartu diocese, some knights who were at home and Estonian mercenaries forced Alexander's band of robbers retreat and caught up with them at the ages old Kirunpää fortress (the present-day city of Võru in Estonia). The first battle line of the Russians was destroyed, but when fighting with the main Russian forces, Alexander started shouting that the main Mongol force was coming and most of the knights, soldiers of the Bishop of Tartu and Estonians fled. The twenty men left on the battlefield were captured and tortured to death.
The "Ice battle" was invented by Alexander only to somehow justify the sudden reduction of the protection squad of the Mongol tax collector under mysterious circumstances.
Battle on Ice - no one can go and check what really happened because the ice melted (actually there was no ice at that time of year).
Ахахахахах, че за дурка
@@weewee3549 Ахахахахах, че за дурак
"Alexander started shouting that the main Mongol force was coming and most of the knights, soldiers of the Bishop of Tartu and Estonians fled"
Are there clowns that actually buy into that and call that "history"?
Even if you have never seen live a riot with police trying to disperse the mob, any person with half a brain should understand how loud it is. Medieval battles were a lot louder - because there was a lot of clashing metal, and people were actually trying to kill each other.
At most, his shouting would be heard by a handful of men close to him. Unless he had pretty powerful acoustic hardware in the 13th century.
@@ayrnovem9028 Tell your concerns to the Teutonic Knights and the author of their rhyming chronicle. It details how this battle actually went. There was no invasion of the Teutonic Order (the Order was at war with the Principality of Lithuania far to the south), the ice had long gone so late in the spring and the battle did not take place at Lake Peipus at all.
@@marttoom5903 Since this story makes utterly no sense, it is safe to assume that Teutonic Knights and the author of their rhyming chronicle are not always telling the truth.
You are quick to assume that Novgorodian sources are lying, but you don't treat the other source the same way and just declare "this is how the battle actually went" - without any grounds whatsoever.
Disappointed that the russians won. But a good push from the great Latin west.
Wait, what? How can you consider a war against fellow Christians as good, beneficial to anyone?
@Ante Pavelic Orthodox won the argument about the dangers of an authoritarian papacy when the reformation happened. Though that naturally doesn't mean that they were right about everything.
@Ante Pavelic why are you so defensive. Your team won. They are still in power. See the crusades for what they were.... men who were not of God, acting like they were, taking the worlds last few empires by force through "conversion"... if you read the bible then you'd never accept forced conversion under Roman papal rule, which is what the crusades were about. They used religon
@Ante Pavelic Indeed, they all made some serious mistakes, for which all of us humble Christians continue to pay to this day. It is a pity this division was not resolved honorably. I merely wanted to underscore that on this point, at least, the Orthodox seemed to have a good argument.
Perhaps if we were all better at confessing our sins more honestly, we could have unity.
@Ante Pavelic to quote a Austrian and German saying: Serbien muss sterbien. Serbia has to die (which rhymes nicely)
The 1938 film is excellent. No historically acurate but a superb bit of filmaking.