Big Contract Extensions and Hookless Rims Investigated | LRCP Weekly #5
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- čas přidán 10. 06. 2024
- In the fifth episode of LRCP Weekly Patrick Broe and Benji Naesen recap the past week of the world of cycling and preview the two stage races Paris-Nice and Tirreno-Adriatico.
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:29 Recap: Paris-Nice stage 1
00:06:15 Recap: Trofea Laiguelia
00:07:30 Recap: Le Samyn
00:08:35 Die Lie rages at DS: “What am I doing in this shit race”
00:14:20 Recap: GP Criquielion & Monsere
00:16:18 Preview: Paris-Nice
00:25:07 Preview: Tirreno-Adriatico
00:31:58 UCI rankings update
00:40:10 One-cycling project update
00:43:43 UCI to investigates hookless rims dangers. Alex of Peak Torque shares his expertise with Benji & Patrick.
01:08:34 Contract extensions
01:18:23 Mechanic dresses up as cyclist, UCI hands out suspensions
01:23:57 Wrap-up - Sport
I should be working.
Don't do it. Go for a ride instead.
working on the ETRTO safety factor?
I should be sleeping
You two are the perfect duo for these recaps, previews, news and more. The passion and the humor makes it enjoyable to watch. Keep it up 💪
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I only watched for the Hookless rim segment. It was so interesting, and I enjoyed the engineering debrief on the manufacturing and design history of hookless and the motivation of the OEM's.
I'll just remember that 1:04:23 for 22-23 mm internal rim width, no less than 28 mm...
I like 28 mm, and on my 19c rims my current 28 mm tyres are really 30 mm wide, so I was afraid that the rim was too wide, but if that's OK for hookless, I should be safe with clinched!
Kudos on getting PT on the show. That guy just knows👍
At the end of the season we should get a special award for „best Belgian Chat GPT Generated races rider of the season”
glad you invited PT
Thanks for guest de brief on hookless. Being lost too I now know everything need know. Keep on hooks clincher and tubes. Easy easy. TPU tubes and go.
Great interview with Alex and excellent content as always. There will be the inevitable lawsuit after a major injury or death resulting from the road bike hookless tire blowoff. I’m shocked by the incomprehensible stupidity of using a hookless system at road bike tire pressures. Alex did not mention the additional issue of tire pressure gauge inaccuracy. A gauge reading 68 psi could actually be over 73 psi.
“Treat us like the philistines we are” 😂😂😂
Absolutely will be watching PTs video when it comes out.
Love that you brought in PT.
Also, Imagine recording this pod just a few hours before Helmetgate.
Alex is amazing! Keep him coming onto the pod! Fantastic knowledge and insight
This was great! What I know about a bike comes from pods like this. PT is fascinating to listen to and in this format, I can easily understand it all. Making these weeklies was needed. As a seamstress, I can listen and be in the cycling world as I work. Win-win! Thanks, guys!
Perfect timing on the drop, Best thing to listen to when I walk my dogs in the morning
great ep and great call bringing PT on!
Absolutely love the collab
Really like this new format, bringing guests like Alex on to discuss current hot topics also makes a ton of sense and keeps things fresh.
As I know that @lanternerouge is a NBA podcast fan as well, just an additional thought: I think the weekly show lends itself perfectly to introduce segments of the Bill Simmons/Zach Lowe variety, i.e. Trade Value- or mid-season MVP rankings and that sort of gimmick (obv adapted to cycling).
Came here to say the same thing you share in your first paragraph! PT should be a regular cycling engineering correspondent for LRCP.
If you dont care for the last 0.1% in rolling resistance: TPU tubes in normal rims is the best for everyday riding and so easy to use.
Yes lads! I'd run out of stuff to listen to on my rides and this drops - perfect timing!
Perfect timing just headed out for two hour hill walk 🥾 🎧 👌
Patrick talking about bars, finally someone using decent units.
Thanks for the upload guys! The last 2 hours of my shift will go by much more quickly now
Great show again
If LRCP ever wants a dedicated tech editor / writer / presenter, Alex seems like a sure fit. I'd consume all LRCP Tech content!
Jay Vine crash in last year’s Vuelta. They never said what caused the crash but you could see his bike after with an unseated tire
A word of advice on the Ronde van Vlaanderen. If you own or can beg, borrow or steal a bike that takes 30mm or 32mm tyres, your arse will be thanking you eternally. There are a lot more sections of pave on the flat than I had imagined.
Re: hooks vs hookless and the comparison to cars: cars run pressures similar to MTB, trucks similar to road bikes. Truck tires use air pressure to maintain the shape of the tire, and the load is carried by the sidewall. Bikes use tires to contain air, and the load is carried by the air pressure.
If it's of use to ye in future pods, here's the how the World Tour wins ranking (incl. GCs) stands after T-A and P-N, that's 35 in total :
Visma-LAB - 8
UAE - 5
Bora-hansgrohe, Soudal-Quickstep - 4
Lidl-Trek - 3
Bahrain, Israel-PremierTech, Lotto Dstny - 2
Alpecin, Decathlon, DSM, Groupama, Tudor - 1
That leaves Arkea, Astana, Cofidis, Ineos, Intermarché and Jayco as top tier teams still waiting on their first WT win (with Tudor the only Pro Team to get one).
I'm sure someone recorded Patrick and Benji's guesses for the season, but I can't seem to find it.
I love those weekly shows! However I would also like to hear more about your training and the challenge. I have been training myself basically from Couch to Ironman for the last year and love to see content where I can relate to (no offense 😂). Are you guys planning on doing more content about that?
Just listend to the pod and came here to comment. It was a really good idea to bring peak torque as an expert for the hookless debate on. I learned a bunch of stuff and will head to his video on the topic as soon as it comes out.
Zipp / SRAM state on their own website, minimum tyre width for the 353 wheelset (25mm internal hookless) is generally 28mm, even 27mm for a 'Challenge Criterium RS'
great recap
Great parcours this year! Hopefully the weather won’t curtail some of the stages. Wonderful 1st stage! You guys are a little goofy but very perceptive and wonderfully irreverent.
I had already a blow up with hooked road tubeless. Yes you can say I didnt checked the pressure correctly etc. but there has to be enugh safety reserve that even a slightly wrong setup wont come off. This hookless road is just suicide.
Best of luck to you guys in your upcoming challenge, I want to see you both leave nothing in the tank 😜😂
Lotto messed the setup. The fact they aren´t speaking on it and keep riding says volume.
Hookless has been winning competitions for years now and most road racing tires are all compatible. UAE, Jayco, etc etc... Wheel giants are switching (Corima) as this is the future with. PT mentioned important factors like: lower price and weight, higher quality yield and stronger impact resistance BUT, let´s not forget the very marginal aero benefit of having a tire seating flush on the rim bed without the lightbulb profile.
I have joined Join 👍 thanks for bringing it to my attention. Never tried a training plan before, what sold it to me was the flexibility as my shift work is awkward for most 9-5 training plans.
Did my first training ride today, was supposed to be 2hrs but had to reduce to 1hr due to unforeseen problem and Join adjusted the workout to make it a bit more uptempo so that’s cool.
Bit disappointed it hasn’t synced with Garmin, it synced with Strava just fine.
Today I watched the opening Tirreno TT whilst training. Need to figure out how to do my rides in Zwift in the future, hopefully then they will transfer through to Garmin.
This happened to Negasi Haylu Abreha in 2023, it was close to the finish but I can’t recall which race. I believe his front wheel hit a pot hole which burped the wheel, leading it to deflating rapidly and blowing off the rim. I once rode a gran fondo and just before the start I happened to stand next to a bike which front wheel also blew off the rim. It was a former CCC TCR with cadex wheels.. the guy who owned the bike was as surprised as we were but it was probably due to the temperature that day. the sealant never washed off my jersey 😂 I don’t think hookless belongs to the cycling world.
For amateur riders - just get a nice alloy wheel. Keep it simple.
I think 25 mil internal is probably future proof but I think you should absolutely be running at least a 30 mil tire and at the low end of the range for system weight and road conditions. Also, if we used something to install the tires that was liquid but then got hard, not sticky, at the rim interface like thread locker, then put the sealant in so the sealant isn't lubing the interface. I'd ride hookless but I'd be c a r e f u l.
Interesting chat about Uno X. I listened to a podcast with their general manager, Jens Haugland, in January and then a week or two later they announced a new GM was taking over as of Feb 1. I found it strange since he seemed so hyped about the team and made no mention of the upcoming change. Wonder if that has anything to do with their performance so far.
Jayco should have two priority targets in this transfer season - Pithie who is the Bling replacement and O'Connor for one week stage races, hilly one day races and back GC for GT.
How is it hard to find hookless compatible tyres these days? All the top road tyres GP5000, Schwalbe Pro One, Vittoria Corsa Pro are useable.
About 6 years ago it was really limited. All the good tyres now are compatible as you say
They will need wider tyres to make this work but those are heavier again
letsssss gooooo
Guys, when exactly will you be in Belgium riding the Flandrien Challenge? 🤟
"Lotto playing the lottery" on their bike specs? 😂
So all of this hookless vs hooked could have been avoided if manufacturers stopped depending on cheap slave labor in China and invested into automated filament winding, carbon braiding, and/or thermoplastic injection molding for rims.
isn´t it the teams problem/disadavantage if they have too few riders ?
Is it the Flandrian Challenge?
I ride tubes on hookless rims, no issues.... However, it's an MTB with 2.3 inch tires. It's not a road bike.
As long as your tyres are hookless compatible you’re fine yeah.
Disappointing that ETRTO Strict agreement has not been reached with ALL Wheel & Tire Mfg for Hookless requirements.
Hookless Maze = Wheel External Width + Wheel Internal Width + Compatible Tire + Compatible Tire Width + Compatible Tire Max Inflation Limit + 🤞+ 🙏. Adding a Tire Liner like Lotto Dstny had on De Gendt's ROAD wheel is a wild card 🙄
Scary part is that bikes were being sold with a Hookless Wheel setup and some riders were unaware of the requirements to manage the setup.
So there have been many examples of tires coming off either at speed or not moving at all.
More awareness now + Tire / Wheel manufacturers are adding more prominent Warnings & Compatibility Notices on their websites & actual products. Yet incidents continue.
I'll stick with Hooked rims for the extra safety margin & peace of mind. 😎
Love that PT discussion
Catalunyan cobbles < Flandrian cobbles < Yorkshire cobbles
59:55 can someone explain why only the "top 5%" are alienated by hookless rims? As in, do casual riders not suffer grom the problems of hookless? Is it only the pros who use the combination of narrow tyres and high pressures that creates this problem?
The narrower tyres and higher pressure they want to run on smooth asphalt exacerbates the problem. Don’t forget, these failures are pretty damn rare. Think about how many bikes are out there with hookless rims on. Every single stock TCR adv Pro thats been sold since 2018 for example. According to my local bike shop most people don’t even know if theyre riding hookless or hooked! If you’re watching this podcast you’re probably in that 5% of people who care. Of course that was a thin air approximation, sarcastic etc, but you get my gist i hope.
The talk with Alex was amazing, thanks for ….HOOKing ….that up.
The link to his channel isnt working fyi.
We need Benji vs. Patrick in „Real race in Belgium or ChatGPT generated“
Patrick, are you still going to continue to ride your Hookless wheels on your TCR? Are you confident that they are safe to continue to ride on fast descents and beyond?
Patrick's crash rate on descents is high enough that the added risks of hookless doesn't move the needle.
Team time trial where first rider counts is called individual time trial 😉
Also I don’t think Mads Pedersen will survive the hilly/mountain stages as he’s probably working for Skelmose.
Wouldn't the user benefit of hookless be the lower price point? Look at Zipp 303 Firecrest prices vs the previous generation, this is quite a difference. This means carbon wheel potentially become more accessible.
Hookless is a product for business objectives.
wheres the recap of the ster van zwolle?
On your channel?
Was an UCI 1.2 race
I'm with Benji on the UCI handing out 2 year ban on that Women's team for not being able to field 5 riders, it's 100% outrageous, yeah they should not have tried to deceive the rules, however, if this was more flexible, they probably wouldn't have felt they needed to. The UCI continues to come up with so many negatives that aren't helping the sport, instead they should be looking for more positive ways to progress the sport, they're always coming up with such trivial and negativity, instead they need to be far more supportive and I can think of many more productive things they could be doing in that sense. Firstly, Australia has only two World Tour races and we all know there's a huge investment, time, money and resources goes into small events let alone a WT event and they get all the teams out here for the Tour Down Under because it's mandatory, yet one week later after all of the costs of coming to the other side of the world, our 2nd WT event being Cadel Evans Great Ocean Road race is not considered a compulsory WT event, now I don't know what others think about this but this is Outrageously stupid in my opinion and the UCI needs to make changes to this, if I was a sponsor being sold this race as a WT level event, I'd be feeling quiet ripped off personally. This is just yet another example of the outrageous incompetent decision making being done at the UCI, don't get me wrong, I'm sure they do good work and I don't get pleasure out of calling anyone out, I'd much prefer to be complimentary but they just don't seem to care about focusing on the right stuff, 2 speed bumps in the final 100 meters of a women's race recently, with the last one only 30m from the finish line, so many more important things to be done.
Get new rims, Patrick 😁
Maybe I'm crazy, but haven't hookless rims been around forever? They've been on my old Fuji since the 90s. Did we all forget, or is this story more about professional riding and tubeless setups?
First we didn't all have Fuji's in the 90's, also rims were often narrower at this time, then it's really mostly about tubeless, with tubes pressure goes in all direction, not only toward the exterior of the rim, so it should not be an issue - with the correct tube size (700 tube on a 650 rim might cause the same issue I suppose)...
Hookless to me is just idiotic
As the piece with Alex proceeds, Patrick's "right" and "ya" get more and more deflated.
32mm should be the minimum tyre width for safety reasons on road rims.
You must have really bad roads...
Regarding integrity, how is it allowed that a sponsor is both sponsoring a race and a team in that race. If there ever is a decision , like possible DQ, how can the race organisers be impartial if their money givers have an interest in the decision being in one of the directions
UCI sends a delegation of commissaires to UCI registered races. They are independent from the organiser(s)
UCI when male DS gets accused of abusing women riders: I SCHLEEP
UCI when someone dresses up like a rider: REAL SHIT G??!!!