Drop Ceiling Grid n Tile Acoustical Install Video ( Acoustic Pro )
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- čas přidán 7. 01. 2013
- Acoustic Pro is an interior construction, suspended ceiling tile and grid company. This is a sample install video of one of our many projects 407-230-7750
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There is a Spectra HV301G Green Beam laser spinning during the entire install of this ceiling. The laser is set to spin/pass just below the grid. When leveling, I don't waste time bending the wire with linesmen's pliers to get the perfect bend. I have been doing ceilings so long that I can grab the wire and bend it exactly where it needs to slide through the hole. Then its leveled so that the laser passes just under the main. When the ceiling is done, it looks like a sheet of glass. Best Regards
Yes I do like the Green beam better. They laser diode does tend to burn out quicker though. I just had a Spectra got our on me and the diode cost was too expensive to repair. They are brighter and tend to been seen at farther distances. Especially indoors.
U are really fast, pleasure to watch u work
Thank you... In these videos we were just trying to show the method of installation. When we are installing off camera, we are much faster. This particular 1,200 sq ft room took 3hrs to install the grid. Thanks again
Today marks my third week learning how to instal drop ceilings as a career. I'm looking to make a few adjustments to my craft. With that being said I have a few questions for you.
1: do you have a personal preference with laser brands, and brackets?
2: what snips do you like to use when cutting the wires for your lag screws?
3: I've been taught to place screws (roughly) every 8 inches when placing your corners on the wall. A few shots I noticed the spacing was a lot further than that. Wouldn't this cause sagging with your grid?
4: I'm getting comfortable with walking stilts. Do you have any experience in walking stilts? If so, do you feel it is quicker installing the grid walk stilts as opposed to skating on the scaffolding?
5: If you could go back to your younger self learning this "skill", what tips and tricks would you pass on to make the job easier?
Look forward to your response (-: thanks for the video. This makes the 7th time watching.
Avid Ajx: First of all, glad to see ya getting into acoustical ceilings. 1. My personal favorite brand of laser is Spectra Precision for rotary lasers in big areas. 2. I personally like the red handle Wiss brand snips for cutting the grid and Klein's 9" linesmans style pliers with the spring for cutting the wire. 3. When installing screws as opposed to the older method of fence staples, If you can hit a stud with a screw, it is sufficient in my experienced opion to go every 16". I do not like to go more than that even if I can hit a stud. If I cant find a stud, I go every 8 to 12". This is all from approx experience. I dont measure it all out. I also make sure that I never have a screw less than 3" from the ends of the wall angle. 4. I've walked stilts for nearly 25 years now. I used to teach all the new guys in our company how to walk them years ago. Stilts can be faster for smaller areas where you would essentially have to break down the scaffold to get into the next room. They are also, In my opinion faster on demo and install back jobs. No matter what you use, if you dont have a "system" of complet as you go, you will be slow on anything. If you master the "complete as you go" you can be really fast on either one. 5. Not to overthink everything because I would check and re-cehck a hundred times, in worry it was wrong. I would also tell myself to keep you hands and feet moving and you'll get done quicker. Lastly, get that "complete as you go thing down"
I can honestly say without bragging that I have always excelled in ceilings. Of course, we're on CZcams so there are a lot of big shots who send me messages from time to time telling me how they are so much faster and how I did something wrong etc... At the end of the day, I know how fast and good I am and I have thousands upon thousands of feet ceilings that I've sucessfully installed all over the state of Florida. Best regards to ya my friend. This is my company website www.acousticpro.net
I love this video. I have a fascination with drop ceilings for what ever odd reason hahaha, so much so that I installed one in my bedroom. Actually tomorrow I will be modifying it and ill upload a vid and share it if you'd like :)
Great video by the way :)
The owners didn't want to pay to have the old one removed and they wanted the new ceiling lower. Its not an issue. The hanger wires were attached to the bar joists not to the pre-existing ceiling. Leaving the old ceiling there doesn't effect anything. That's coming from someone that has installed ceilings and my primary profession for over 20 years and thousands and thousands of Sq Ft of it at that. Best Regards!!
The tool is a Ramset TrakFast TF1100. definitely faster than a one shot tool. We quit using those about 12 years ago or so. Best Regards!!
No prob. Take care!!
Hey Acoustic Pro,
I just joined the carpenter's union here in California as an acoustical installer.
Many times, I need to drill through drywall and metal studs in order to secure wires I could not shoot into the roof. I was told to pick up an impact driver. I'm afraid it will drill right through the drywall, or break the paper. Is there any way to set it so it does not drill through drywall, like a drywall gun? Basically I want it to slip when it reaches a certain torque.
Thanks, nice vid!
looks like a usual ceiling job. "we piled all this insulation right were you're working. thats not a problem is it?" also trying to get my boss to switch from the track fast's and track it's to hilti's gas gun. so much nicer.
+Andy Carlson I haven't tried the Hilti version of the TrakFast. I have the newest TrakFast and like it well. The insulation was a pain because we had to move it twice before we could install it.
Hello SFG559,
I'm not totally sure I understand your question. I'm assuming that your needing to attach wires to a drywall ceiling. If that's the case, the best way to do that is one of two ways.
1. Use an L bracket similar to Ramset's clip n pin for shooting & screw it into the metal stud above the drywall.
2. Use a toggle bolt designed for hanging ceiling wires.
I'm not fond of the toggles
This Dewalt drill will work perfect for you (Dewalt DCF895 20V Max)
It has 3 Speeds.
Best Regards
how do you keep your main tee level?? no lazer guide??
different from us in uk.. that ceiling will be all over the place. we use pliers also at the bend point for the hangers... once we establish a level, with th the hanger pushing diagonally toward our start point.. son the grid stays on the trim??
How did you square the grid. We use strings running along two walls. I didn't see you cut the tees to the wall so I couldn't tell.
+chargerb1 We also use strings on two walls for a large room to a keep the grid "straight". The strings aren't "necessarily" to square the grid but they can be used to assist in squaring a room that is out of square. The best way to install the grid is to pull a string both ways and the measure across the opening of the grid "when initially starting the grid" to check it for square. If its off, you have to determine which string needs to move in or out to bring the ceiling into square.The average person will not know what I'm talking about but if you have ever installed a grid ceiling, I'm sure you already know..Sometimes, on rooms that have block walls, you can cut all the mains and tees the same length on two walls and just move a main or tee in or out slightly, where needed and then pop rivet it. I've actually had jobs where the block was so straight that you could make the cut in tees and mains the same measurement, never pulling a string and it would be near perfectly straight. This is the case quite often in school classrooms with block walls. Thanks for your input, Joe
Shucks, he's good!
Thanks a lot :)
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the bar joist are up 20 ft.how do I splice my wires to make them longer and pass inspection..other words my wires will not reach my mains and I need to make them longer..thanks!
Sam Gray We use a square not style bend to join the two wires together. If its a big job we may order 20 ft wires, which they do make.
Hi I am 15 and have done a drop ceiling.Just a question, Why are you installing a drop cieling under another one?
Thanks
Joe , did you use your thumb to mark the position of the hole on your main to the wire so you would no where to bend it? i am a union carpenter and need to know this stuff without asking, people who ask stupid question dont research things or get a second chance around the crowed im forced to work with ,if you dont know your stuff these terff mined loosers will throw you under the bus bro
NOBOX7 I totally understand bro...Sorry for the late reply but yes I use my thumb to mark the point to bend the wire. Ive been doing this for 23 yrs so its just second nature for me. If you ever need any advice, feel free to contact me at joe@acousticpro.net I will do whatever I can to help ya.
Joe Myers thanks bro
Where i work they make me wear safety glasses hardhat and lock our wheels:(
paha25 That stinks, Hard hat and ceilings are a stupid combination in my opinion. I couldn't never get anything done if I had to get up and down to lock my wheels. That's so unrealistic. Might as well use a ladder. We only have to do that on a very few jobs here.
Good! but that is quite a drop from the original ceiling and waste of space.
+K Kahlon That was the owners decision to do it that way.His thinking was "that's less space to heat and cool"If you think about it, that's not a bad idea. That is quite a bit less CFM's of AC to keep the space cool which can save a lot of money on Utilities. Thanks for the input
easy to drop tiles on that grid lol
I prefer don't screw the wallmond (L) to join or stud! It don't look straight.
+Carlitos Flores Depends on how good you are. I used to use fence staples for the longest time. Now I use screws and its much straighter and a less wavy finish. I'm a real stickler when it comes to how my wall angle looks once its finished because that will also determine how the tile lays on the perimeter, especially if its flat lay-in. I've come behind possibly thousands of other ceiling mechanics work and can tell you that on average, wall angle that is screwed on is straighter than with fence staples. Its also easier install tile and grid because the screw head doesn't stick out as far if its fastened correctly.I was once a big fan of fence staples but when they came out with lightweight impact drivers, I fell in love with screwing verses fence staples.Whatever works for you, that what I would stick with.Thanks for the input
+Joe Myers Absolutely, fence staples are just horrendous when you have access to powerful lightweight impact drivers and screw guns.
no hard hat, safety glasses, or safety rail for baker? trackfast into block blows out all the time safety first. and you shouldn't skate on a baker
chris moran Nope... no hard hat, safety glasses or safety rail. After 23 yrs of working in this trade that is my choice. If the job doesn't require it then I choose not too. Ive never seen a ceiling mechanic us those things by choice either. First of all, a hard hat doing ceilings can be more dangerous than without. I've nearly taken my head off catching it on the grid because you need to be eye level with the ceiling. You're also supposed to lock your scaffold wheels in between moving it. If we did that on every job we would have to charge twice the amount to make any money. Not to mention, I wear glasses 99% of the time and have "never" had a block wall burst and shoot anything out. The DMV also says we should drive with both hands on the wheel, which few people do..As fas as skating goes... I was a skater for over 13 years so maybe that's why I enjoy "skating"
As an ACT mechanic in the commercial construction arena for 19 years, and with all due respect, this is definitely an unacceptable response.
As a 25 year installer, I also respectfully appreciate your opinion. However, the reality on the jobsite is that a great deal of the safety requirements that are proposed are "rarely" ever followed because they slow down a trade that is based on peice work when you get right down to it. Im not saying it doesnt make you safer. Im simply stating the facts of what goes on, on over 90% of jobsites. There will always be one in every crowd that proposes things just to be controversial and I get that a lot, people that want to argue for the sake of being a know it all. Will a safety mask make my lungs safer when installing insulation? Absolutely! But when I'm in a closed building with no ventilation in the middle of summer when its over 100 degrees outside and feels like 120 inside, I'm not wearing a dust mask. I can hardly breathe as it is. Most all safety glasses fog up where you can't see, which is even more dangerous. So while it may not be the SEO of OSHA's answer. its reality.. Best regards to ya...
I agree with you joe,but sadly nowadays you can't move a finger in the work place cause then you need all this safety protection that you can barely move LoL are ppl getting more stupid or sissies? that you need all the precautions? I remember we use to work just the way you did that ceiling