Building a Fifth Wheel RV! Coachmen Fifth Wheel factory Tour! Part 2
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I absolutely loved this two part series! I also caught on to the fact that the plant was very open to the camera. Everyone seemed to be very involved with their task at hand. Thanks for taking the time.👍
We had a tour of the plant last July and were very impressed with the workers and the construction. We then ordered our Chaparral Lite 30 RLS. Fred and his team made us an excellent 5th wheel. We visited the plant during its construction, and were very happy with the entire process. Thank you Fred and team!
Coachmen are a lot better coach than i thought, great tour around the plant, thanks for the tour.
This is definitely one of the more interesting and fascinating segments you’ve done bud. Very very nice. I never realized just what goes into these. It brings together all of the other points in your other videos of what works what doesn’t work quality etc.
I enjoyed the video(s). What Coachman might want to think about doing is (and perhaps they do).... get ahold of a 5-7 year old unit and see how their work and materials held up in every day use (i.e. the real world). Just think... for most folks a 5-7 year old unit is not even paid off yet. They might be pleasantly surprised how well everything held up, but maybe not. Call it "Adi"... AFTER delivery inspection. Just sayin !
I've seen other trailer manufacturer videos and they seem to be in a constant rush and it's no wonder quality varies and ultimately suffers. But after seeing this video I am definitely looking into this company to make my fifth wheel purchase. They seem to be building for quality not quantity.
That dude did not let you out of his sit !! Lol
Well I learned something new. I thought the aluminum frame was welded altogether I didn't know that the sides were not welded to the front or back. I watched a super customer class C get built and it had a steel frame that was completely welded. Learn something new everyday this was a great video. Thanks for taking your time and doing this. Please keep up the good work.
Excellent work by Coachman and you. Thank you to both parties.
We just bought a Chaparral 336. Loved this video
This is definitely a good series. Very well done sir and thank you for doing and sharing this.
Thank You BTBRV! Good knowledge to have in my back pocket. 👊💯🇺🇸
Very interested in the Roof material and how it is fitted - I Like the idea of the roof overlapping the outer walls to eliminate / prevent any roof to wall seems on top. Yet another very informative video...Go BTBRV!
Most manufactures only do random PDI checks. However, if something id found, it doesn't mean they go back to check the units produced before it, only that they correct units from that point on. That translates to units being delivered with construction issues. Few companies inspect every unit from tip-to-toe. The ones that do are on the high price of the spectrum.
Another outstanding tour. Looking forward to the build.
Ask Fred about roofing options. Can someone get something other than a rubber roof?
Also ask Fred about warranty claims. How do they handle those and why does it take so long? Not specifically to couchmen, but in the rv industry.
I just wished they would screw the osb to the roof and not use staples.
I was told by a retired rv worker that the warranties are left with long repair times to get you to not claim so many or too want to fix little issues yourself
Nice job filming and thanks for sharing all of it. I just wanted to see them applying those huge decals.
I am impressed! Well done!
Incredible videos JD thanks for sharing.
Once again very cool! Thanks
It’s nice to see these units being built at nice pace and not being slapped together like some other assembly videos I have seen. Nice job!!
This guy is easily impressed. I dont see quality as he seems to think. I guess everyone has their own idea of what quality and what standards are or should be for the cost of one of these units.
Agreed!
I would have fun working at a place like this.
Great video, I'd love to see them make their version of the Montana High Country 381TH which is the toy hauler that has the small garage under the bedroom.
I know the reasons behind this video but speaking objectively it has all the feel of an infomercial.
This was so informative thank you .
Very impressive. I own a much older chaparral (2006) I bought used in 2014... I've never had a serious problem with anything on it. Very well built ,now I see why. I'm planning to upgrade to a class A in the near future ,hopefully Coachman's line of motorhomes are as well built.
Very good insight to how they are assembled. Lots of information feedback. I like the smaller mid-bunk, not a fan of that crawl up larger one earlier in the video.
Very interesting...good job
These guys like all other manufacturers, have a big warranty budget. Get it done, get is done quick, fix it later! WHY DONT YOU SLOW DOWN A LITTLE AND BUILD IT RIGHT THE FIrst time!!
Very informative thank you 😎 I wanna get a Chaperrelle now lol
My wife and I have been looking at the 392MBL as well as other manufactures I was unaware of the 391MBL very happy with the videos of there facility and the pride they take in there product when the time comes I will be buying a Chapparel I guess now I have to decide between the 392 and the 391 although I do like the loft of the 392
Yep the loft is a huge feature
Looking at all those RVs makes you wana go shopping
I wish they would make a motorhome with a mid bunk room like that one I would go with the fifth wheel but I have an off-road vehicle tow and I can't find a toy hauler with that kind of quality yet thanks for the inside look at the factory
I would have liked to see the final product with a walkthrough at the end of the video
Thank you for this series...i see there is at least one more as i scrolled to comments. My next question, if course, is customer service. I bought a trailer about 2 years ago and have gone nuts with this and that breaking or failing, so have not gotten to use it much at all, but customer service has been good. They have been polite and repaired and replaced as needed, but wait time for each problem is long! Glad i got the extended warranty! Still, the cost for me has been considerable, having to drive a 6 hour round trip and this next one, they need it 2 days. We have not actually camped in a year because of all of the repairs and time down. Only one thing was a mess up by those putting it together...even that was a part failure initially. But 3x I asked about it and was assured it was fine.. a gas leak. It finally was so bad, you could see it on hour hand! I was getting ready to put a flame to a stuck valve, and found the leak was much worse when i walked by on the way to try to fix the cable. Boy, that could have been some huge fireworks! And we live in a forest below a socked in community of about 250 people. It would have trapped them. Anyhow, it is mostly parts failures. The RV manufacturer is at the mercy of their parts suppliers. That must be tough, especially now. In our community we have had multiple business failures due to very poor help. They want pay, but do not want to work. Many applicants here cannot pass drug tests. One said 80% could not pass drug tests, so the manufacturer set up his own drug treatment program! So, i get it, just how hard it is to have a dream and then be able to carry it out in a world unfriendly (and often, unprincipled) to manufacturing anything. Blessings ...
JD, I too have a Chaparral, 345BHS. Love my trailer but I had numerous problems fixed by the dealer just prior to the one year warranty expiration. It was only AFTER the warranty expired that I found my back wall had been leaking water from the clearance lights. And when I upgraded to the MorRyde SRE 4000, that's when I discovered a faulty brake that had NEVER worked from day one. Both factory problems and huge problems in my eyes. Safety and the ability to stop should be at the highest priority level. I have photos to prove it, and I still have the original faulty brake assembly. Suggestions? Do I have any recourse at this point in time?
Great video (1&2)! JD, can you make a special on the ‘slide in slide’ tech..?
Re: residential sized fridges. If they need replacement, a slide out needs to be removed because they don't fit thru the door. Some RV Dealers will not carry 5th Wheels with residential fridges anymore because of this problem.
BTBRV, Next plant tour should be the Marathon Coach Plant in Oregon.
So they admit their PDI is used to look for compliance issues and to suggest changes in the next monthly production meeting. There are RV manufactures who put the customer first and have a PDI person at each stage of production. They catch problems before the unit moves on. Guess everything comes down to the production priorities, quality or quality. This tour has been quite illuminating. Thanks
I definitely agree that their PDI is probably an industry-worst quality standard. Most manufacturers in other industries have even been able to move away from in-process human inspections because they've spent the time and money to plan things right the first time.
Can you ask Fred some more questions:
Given a residential fridge, can you get a cooktop over a gas stove
Can you get slide awnings installed at the factory
What's the largest onan generator they can install or is there generator prep option to install a larger one than the factory can offer
If they have high staples , that means the employee doesn’t give a crap that it’s high , a person knows when somethings not right
I know someone that had his trim all fall off because of that. Yup. Seemed someone wasnt checking where the studs actually were.
I have a question
Is there a reason why this factory doesn’t use a tripod on the 5th wheel hitch
Other factory’s say it’s to get a certain preload flex in the frame wile it’s being built
Enjoyed the video! What method is used to fasten the sidewalls to the floor?
This is one of your best topics. How many shifts a day does this plant operate?
I'm impressed... I wanted to see how an RV was made from my favourite maker but then I found myself needing more info... The things that the President of Couchman goes through from day to day to make ends meet and, the ones under him that that make thoughts into reality along with those who create investments from the public and then those who sale it to those who need it... Is that not awesome...??? I sure think so... just like I told boost Mobile, I'm a customer for life.. might take a maricle from God to get a fifth wheel like that but, if it happens, I'll have the best one... 😁
That shuld be a 3 Axel Trailer
Why?
Long Wheel Base. Or any thing bigger then a 30 foot long. @@BigTruckBigRV
@@johnhershey6380 guaranteed blowout coming on a hot summer day when you're least expecting it
That's true. How much Tires cost on your 5th wheel?
Well they missed a lot of things on my Forest River if the PDI'ed it. I hope they hire people that aren't blind in the future.
A lot got missed on mine too....
real good video series. The wife and myself will be looking to trade in our jayco bunk house fifth wheel soon and will be looking at the coachman series fifth wheel. I like how the sides are not luan plywood like my jayco which had a roof leak and the side swelled before I knew there was a rood leak. Got the leak fixed but it was too late. The side delaminated ans swelled up.
We just bought a new chevy 2500 work truck with a 6.0 V8 and 410 gearing. I believe it can pull 14,000 pounds total. It pulls our 28 foot jayco no problem. Any suggustions on a coachman fifth wheel for 2 people to snow bird in the winter? Looking to sleep 2 people, maybe 2 more if we have visitors for a night or two. Just need a nice living room with tv and the rest to fit 2 people.
I've seen a few 5th wheel that had a combination bed room bath room slide all in one. This made a huge bath room but how does the water lines work? Any feed back on that would be appreciated. The toilet wasn't part of the slide but the sink & tub were. It had a full size tub because of this.
I bought a new coachman 5th wheel. It was a pretty well built unit. My biggest complaint is the 'china bomb' cheap tires they install. It should be illegal to sell a new $40K 5th wheel with the cheapest quality tires imaginable.
I will never buy forest river again !!
I found it myself, but it would be nice if you provided links to the manufacturer site for each RV model you review
When are you picking up your new Brookstone?
Curious are all the units that they make ada accessible are they specific to the person buy or do they have retrofits available for some models
Are you going to build a new floor plan with Coachman? What improvements do you plan to make? What tires do they currently use?
Coming next
Fred looks "verklempt" (very close to taking a swing at the interviewer guy).
Well done sir. When will you pick up your new Brookstone? haha
Is the aluminum sub floor hand welded? I’d think that would be machine handled.
My trailer is not a Coachman and it must have missed a lot or not checked at all during PDI.
By today's standards doesn't look like a bad unit. But to be honest I'll stick with my Hitchhiker
He said they don't use PDI to ensure the customer gets a good product but to help in their process. I think that's not a good attitude to take towards your quality, customer come first or that's the way it use to be!
Do they make a Toy Hauler Camper,. Tow behind. And or 5th wheel. ???
6:17 that rats nest of wiring, and in general no rv makers don't clean that crap up.
Really impressed with Coachman's transparency. When you get a chance, go to LaGrande Oregon for a tour of the sister companies Northwood RV and Outdoors RV
Someone’s been watching Taylor’s channel.
Taylor who?
Never going to be able to work on the wiring on these units, everywhere you look is a knot of wires.
I cannot understand why they didnt design a wiring rack system. Instead everything runs everywhere. If you had to run down a short, good luck. nothing is acessable.
I have a question for you. I couldn’t find an email or any place else to ask you this so here it goes. We are currently looking for a fifth wheel and are hoping to get something used. Is there a year that we should consider not going older than so we can get the best fifth wheel and the better insulation and better make? Just to give a little bit of an explanation to maybe help understanding my question. I know that the industry is always changing and evolving and most of the time making things better. But at what point is too old and would lose some of the quality if we went older..?
How long does the entire process take start to finish? How much time?
"Cable slides aren't made for big slides" Meanwhile, these guys will claim they have heated underbellies but have giant ass holes in the frame for the pinion slides. 😆
How long did it take them to assemble that unit???
Great video... THANK YOU for the valuable information... I'm anticipating purchasing a 5th wheel setup and your videos have been very influential in my decision making.... but I do have one question... I will be using the gas oven in the kitchen...how is the oven vented?...piped straight outside above the range or more generally through the cabin ventilation system (ceiling fans)...would appreciate your thoughts on this
There is a vent behind the range hood
I know next to nothing about trailers. Why do they use carpet on the slides instead of laminate?
Fred looks like he is ready for a UFC fight
When you say that you like to see the floor coverings being protected yet there was no protection in the hallway leading to the bedroom!!
Its above 2 sections of normal flooring. The main floor which is insulated and peotected and then a radiant barrier on top of the aluminum floor and then osb
Wait what he say at 2:11. The pedi is NOT to ensure the coach is perfect...and just look for code issues...well we’ll. Now they admit to the problem.
Thats totally not what he said
Actually at 2:15 it’s exactly what he said.
@@jeffguimond9442 not so. He said they use their PDI facilities to inspect for code violations, wiring issues, and to fix process problems during manufacturing. Think about it, if you only use PDI to fix the specific unit that is finished, then you are allow a problem to continue to happen to other units without fixing the root cause. Its like a doctor giving you cholesterol meds without telling you to get in better shape as well.
OK I understand what they are using their PDI process for. So who makes it work? Who makes sure the customer gets a fully functional unit?
Coachman Chaparral 373 2019 one week after purchase - RV Horror stories on Facebook , my experience with fotos
So where was the part where u had input on the design?
Next video
Can you get a camper with 3 bathrooms
Are the doors for the outside storage compartments made from the wall cut-outs? If so, there would be no reason to skimp on the doors.
Those are manufactured by another company for all the manufacturers
Is the floor and roof plywood? Thanks
Both are. Floors are double layered amd staggered to allow for flex
At 2:46 in the video, their is a huge sheet of Osb. Looks like a floor or roof?
Great info, but Fred when will all you RV manufacturers stop using ANY carpet , use white paint for walls, white cabinets, and no ugly valences???
How long did it take to build that rv
A full day, assuming you have all the parts pre assembled and ready to be installed. Its more of an assembly than anything.
Fifth wheel *
What is the time frame to build a fifth wheel ?
About 4 days
I have a 2017 Viking 17FQ travel trailer by Coachman - The trailer is total garbage. Mold everywhere under the linoleum and I mean everywhere!!! Roof and cargo doors apparently leaked from day one and waterlogged nearly 2/3 rds of the floor, so I had to tear it all apart and replace the wooden framework. I did a video of the whole process of replacing their garbage. Took apart the front wall only to find the insulation didn't cover the whole cavity and when they ran the wiring for the front lights someone used a hammer to drill a hole that was eventually out of sight to the consumer and found their shotty work upon disassembly. Screws that were supposed to hit the center of 2x2 barely hit the boards of the bed frame. The storage doors at the front bottom of the trailer on both sides leaked like a waterfall, so I don't buy any of this crap of quality construction in this video. As one other person who commented said the narrator is easily impressed and boasts this product and sounds like he's got so much experience with what other manufacturers do that is sub-par to their construction. I ought to post up the video I shot and let the video speak for itself. All of this stuff is overpriced junk.........15 units a day huh? Yah, that's sound like quality control to me!!!
Does coachman use Azdel on all their units?
Almost all. All of their aluminum sided units do not.
I disagree with their approach to PDI. They are taking sample coaches, not ALL coaches, through PDI. So, assuming they find a problem in their PDI plant, like staples. Well, the samples are maybe every 1 in 100. That means 99 get shipped out with staple problems. That means 99 coaches are delivered to customers with that problem. In short, the factory accepts less than perfect as their standard. Who bears the brunt of that? THE CUSTOMER!
Why do they put the same carpet in every camper literally
Their PDI inspection needs some work. I recently bought a brand new Chaparral 373MBRB and the right tail light/blinker didn’t work. It was wired wrong at the factory and you would have thought that should have been caught if they did the PDI! Makes me wonder what other problems will pop up from the lack of quality control at the factory?
The transport company that pulled your unit from manufacturer to dealer should have caught that and rejected the unit for transport until the issue was resolved.
I am in the transport industry and I have refused several units both at the manufacturer and in our transport yard because of faulty lights.
You would be amazed at how much is wrong with most units when they arrive at a dealer, some little scratches/scuffs are to be expected but I have seen wiring hanging out of the walls, fixtures not installed, bunk rooms literally falling apart from lack of support in slide out walls, awning arms installed crooked...
I wish it was caught before I noticed it. I bought it 6 hours from my house and it was a pain to find a dealer to do warranty work since I bought it out of state. I called coachman and the guy I spoke to was basically like oh well. I know camping world gets a bad wrap, but they were the only dealer in the Charlotte area that would help me. It took them a couple weeks, but at least they fixed it for me.
1311vrscx LOL I’m not sure if you’re telling the truth about you being in the transport industry(for fifth wheels I believe) but I’m pretty sure you’re not telling the truth
trishjms - PDI means code compliance checking, NOT Quality Control. Big difference!
Of cause this tour was sugar coated they knew when you were going to be there the staff would have been told in advance of your arrival and also would have been told to smile when approached.JD if you are in the market for a new fth wheeler then buy one of those that you have just videoed because after you left it would be back to normal routine faster faster faster.
ROBERT BUTLER oh you know they were told that, and then had to make up for lost time after he left.
I see a lot of staples missing their mark. The stair frame build is cheap and using OSB for the steps will fail over time. I wouldn't buy anything made buy Coachmen from what I see. The box frame for the bed in the slide out looks cheap.
Not impress over what I have.
Fred looks pretty mad... he doesn't like you.. he doesn't want you there...
No he doesnt. He was told to suck it up or get fired. That put him in a bad mood.
Would be nice to see Fred smile a bit, he's way too serious. A nicer man would make him more relatable which is better with prospect clients. Just my 2 cents🙂