Promiscuity in the Viking Age
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This video goes over all kinds of examples of promiscuity in the viking age and before. Polygamy, Monogamy, Loyalty, Sex, Infidelity, Laws, Concubines, Slavery and much more.
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00:00- Intro
02:30- Germanic Tribes
06:40- Marriage Choice?
10:40- Divorce
13:55- Remarriage
17:44- Women
22:10- Prostitution
24:00- Concubines
26:55- Slaves
29:40- Men
37:00- Conclusions
Historically, stereotypes of the promiscuous woman have tended to be pejorative, such as "the harlot", while male stereotypes have been more varied, some expressing approval, such as "the stud" or "the player", while others imply societal deviance, such as "the womanizer" or "the philanderer". Promiscuity tends to be frowned upon by many societies that expect most members to have committed, long-term relationships. Among women, as well as men, inclination for sex outside committed relationships is correlated with a high libido, but evolutionary biology as well as social and cultural factors have also been observed to influence sexual behavior and opinion. Female promiscuity is a recurring theme in mythologies and religions. In the Middle East, sacred prostitution, usually in honor of Goddess Astarte, had been prevalent before the 4th century when Emperor Constantine I attempted to replace pagan traditions with Christianity. In Greek mythology, nymphs are portrayed as dangerous nature spirits sexually uninhibited with humans; hence, the Victorian medical term nymphomania. Imperial Rome is popularly seen as being sexually profligate, and certain Roman empresses-such as Theodora I, Messalina and Julia the Elder-gained in their lifetime a reputation of extreme promiscuity. However, this concept of female promiscuity is almost non existent from the North of europe in any Germanic or Norse sources.
Always amazed how people think a show like the Vikings is historic. Thanks for always sharing your knowledge with us
It's an odd phenomenon. It's not just the vikings show, many "historically reenacted/reconstructed" shows get seen as accurate. Movies too. I somtimes think it's because the television/phone screen is the greatest idol for many in today's life. That or people are just lazy and believe what's in frontof them and don't bother doing any research beyond such. 🍻
It is so not, that I can't stomach it. I can't even see it as entertainment, it's so screwed up.
Only historical facts were some of the names. If people would look up some history on the names it would blow their minds. Guess that would take energy and time they don't want to spend. Kinda sad really since history is better than any program
Because they were not well taught in school.
Dude lots of people believe the Marvel Universe Movies are real.😂😂😂
I find the most annoying thing about the modern fantasization of pagan culture is that people just assume Christian values were completely made up and not ripped off of previous cultures and faiths
christianity didn't innovate anything
@@violenceislife1987 Well lets not forget that the whole marraige part of christianity came from Judaism not Norse Paganism ,its just that all humans everywhere know that being a slut is bad .
Exactly 👍 💯
The funniest part is how much modern urban “heathens” claim is Christian when so much of it was pre Christian influences that Christian’s had appropriated after it had infiltrated Germania. The Sibylline texts of Rome show this process during the Christian beginnings. These Greek mystery cults were VERY influential, Mithras especially, in implanting Mideastern magical mystery cult ideologies and imageries. The Thyrsus is our rune Thurs, although it’s later called “giant.” It’s the piercing pinecone-tipped spear from Bacchus. Being the representation of a destructive/creative spear-penis, it has to be called a giant, right? I mean, doesn’t every proud boy exaggerate with his ego? Even in the order of the runes we have Cow-Bull-Penis-Anzus, the “holy spirit” that sacrifices the Bull of Heaven for a procreative process. The mythological theme is so common one cannot deny it’s presence all over the ancient world. Everywhere from Yama-Yima-Ymir to Mithras, Gilgamesh, and Moses. The lunar bull as second chakra crescent is another manifestation, with Nandi and Shiva as well. Let’s not forget Ba’al…..
@@violenceislife1987 correct. They followed the Jewish process of appropriating already existing ideas, rewriting them for subjective empowerment, and minimizing the identified group empowered into a tribal identifying system. Catholics attempted the same thing because this had become the common way to be religious. Things from ancient religion had become so convoluted that redefining and controlling the narratives was the only way to solidify social unity.
"No body was trying to cross swords, or stir their brother's porridge!" - 😂😂😂
That nearly broke me, I was literally laugh crying! 😂
"nobody is trying to stir their brother's porridge" - best line of the video haha
Promiscuous behavior in tho old days would have had serious consequences. They didn't have modern social services or medical care. Pregnancy, health, and just staying alive on a day to day basis was hard enough let alone if a girl got pregnant without a man at home to take care of the family.
How do get that conclusion based on today's life of course they did as you say it was for more then 1000 years ago and women had laws so if they would get a life out of marriage they could they had control when they man was away so they did have a saying.
I hated the wife-sharing going on in the Vikings show.
Thats modern lefism creeping in.
@@crushinnihilism cuckholdism?
@@Paleo_P1anet facts
@@crushinnihilism conservatism is Christian and muslim
I mean, polygamy in the dating world is way more common than you think... And so was being gay.
you don't have to tiptoe around your views sir, you shouldn't have to walk on eggs for history. If people don't like what you say they don't have to watch your channel. I think you're gorgeous and informative. carry on, I love it.
I think an interesting video would be to talk about all the elements of Norse paganism that JRR Tolkien used in his books of Middle Earth, mostly Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion. The books contains a lot of phrases written with runes, and he inspired numerous of the characters with some personality of the Norse myths, like for example how he used the characteristics traits of Thor to create other three, Örome, Tulkas and Aulë. And of course the dark and the light elfs.
But what can be the best part is how Tolkien understood the importance of nature, wich we all know is a central value for paganism.
And a lot more!
I really enjoy your videos, learning about the ancient beliefs and behavior is really interesting for me. I’ve always felt a strong connection to it. Thank you for making this videos and for sharing your knowledge!
You read The Silmariliion..! Nature is very important. Especially older trees. That is why they are being murdered under the guise of it being environment. At least here in Netherlands, where they are burned to make electricity.
@@berserkerbambi6094 yes, I read it! It’s my favorite book from Tolkien. And I also forgot to add that Beren lost his hand just like Tyr, due to the bite of a wolf.
I mean there are multiple sagas I think in which the woman does NOT get asked what she think about her future husband.
And in these occassions it serves as the plot itself. Because ALWAYS in these stories, stuff ends VERY badly. Basicaly everyone involved dies.
Which shows you that they thought it was a very bad idea to not listen to who the woman wanted to marry.
It's just that the man had to approve of it.
Lol yeah like the one where the woman kept getting servants killed.
I understand that Vikings the show is not accurate history as it is a “show” lol! But it did get me interested in the actual history! Love your knowledge thank you !
it annoyed me with all the deviations and b.s for example while the reasons for ivars "boneless "nickname is disputed he wasn't unable to have kids and he likely wouldn't have survived as a parapalegic but vikings pushed it , we know he had kids . Sigtrygg, Sigfrod, Barid, Aslaug and Gudfrid and the line surived hundreds of years forming the cadet house "Crovan" which later formed the scots norse Macleod clan. there are more but thats the more ergegious example
Yes I know this now! But if I hadn’t watched the show I wouldn’t have known the name Ivar! But I understand what you mean ❤
@@realtalunkarku wow pretty cool my Fathers side is from Scotland (McLean)
@@michelenunley2580 I get exactly what you are saying! If a show is not listed as a documentary then I assume that it is only loosely based on historical figures as characters, and I treat the plot/story completely as fiction. I have the same attitude for shows based on purely fictional characters like the Marvel movies. I want to be able to enjoy shows for what they are, not what I think they should be.
Like you also stated, I will watch a show like "Vikings" or "Last Kingdom" and then get curious about the true history of particular character or even an entire culture. I have had entire weeks where I have gone down a rabbit-hole of documentaries, books, and/or websites to learn the truth that inspired a fictional or embellished re-telling.
@@realtalunkarku Macleod? That was my English teacher's husband name. He was from the US but moved here to Austria.
Just found your channel, it's great. Thank you for setting the record straight and being so honest.
First, the traditional idea of monogamy is very much centered around Rome. It was one their core cultural practices and one which they considered a reason they were superior to the people they conquered, Barbarians practiced polygamy. That's why even in Imperial times the emperor's never had formal harems. This view then dissipated down the centuries through the Catholic Church who embraced it in similar manner.
When Tacitus talks about the Germanic people's greater virtue like monogamy and chastity it's very much a way to shame his contemporaries as degenerates, not likely a accurate reflection of Germanic society.
There is nothing to suggest polygamy was frowned upon in Germanic society. Concubinage was commonplace among the Germanic nations. A frilla wasn't simply a promiscuous mistress. It was an official relationship which tied a woman from a lesser family to a higher status man and gave her and her children certain rights. To outsiders it would have been hard to notice the difference between a concubine and a wife. Like when Ansgar of Bremen speaks of the Swedes in the 9th century. "Only in their sexual relations with women do they know no limits. According to his means a man has two or three or more wives at the same time." William the conqueror was one such concubine offspring and the Norse culture a reason he could inherit Normandy despite being a bastard in the eyes of the church.
Of course as in all polygamous societies many men will not have the resources to have even one woman. In Iceland and Norway there was something called the "the poor man's price" a minimum amount of silver a man had to raise to the family of the bride in order for the marriage to be legal. If he couldn't he simply shouldn't be married.
As for marriage, it was foremost a business venture rather then a love affair. It tied families together as much as the spouses. In a time when people commonly starve to death. Love really takes a backseat to resources. That a marriage dissolved when a man couldn't support a family was unavoidable and common. Which is also why fathers had such say in who their children married, since they were the ones who had to step when a new couple struggled economically.
As for the double standard. As you point out sex makes babies. In Norse society everything revolved around blood ties. If women slept around no one could know who was related to who and the entire system would fall apart. Which meant that they didn't and that even the suggestion of female promiscuity was a intolerable insult on her and her family's honor.
You made some very good observations. 👏
Also you need to understand bisexual women exist and most women are sexually fluid. Polygamy with one man and multiple women is a mammalian norm. For humans, women bonding through sex is a good way to promote them getting along in a relationship.
Favorite channel to watch! Love the attitude! Love the sources! Love the knowledge! Love the attitude! Love the hair!
Thanks for the video. The only reason people make fun of others who save themselves is because it makes them feel insecure.
They want to drag everyone down to their level so they don't have to feel embarassed and ashamed.
I enjoy your presentations very much.They are captivating the way you deliver them.
Like always, very thorough and so naturally and fluently well explained 👏🏻
“Divorce due to irreconcilable differences” got me 😂😢 13:45
You forgot a few reason of divorce:
If the husband's "ship" were to big for her "boathouse".
In this situation,The Ship and boathouse are "kennings"/words that are not what they seems to be.
I am referring to a story where s girl asked her father to bring her word to the ting that she needed a divorce, even though her husband were both kind to her, and well liked. Her problem was that his genetalia were too big for her. She got the divorce of that reason.
It was also enough that the video MADE her husbands shirt to short, made him wear it at the ting, and then pointing it out there...
The last reason that you forgot to mention, is if the man shows his nipples in public.
All those examples are taken from the sagas.
Interessting case, I know that in medival times there was cases where the wife was granted a divorce because the husband didn't perform in the bedroom. One case the husband was examined by 3 "experts" aka prostitutes, their verdict was that the husband was like an empty skin from a sausage. And about concubines they married in their class, so a friðla was a way to get a solid connection with lower class families.
Would you share some links about the most accurate Viking origin myths? I’m interested in how they coincide with Sumerian or Akkadian origin myths. Thank you.
@@jackjones9460 my best tip would be to start with buying Snorris "Edda", witch is the stories about the gods. Start there and then dive into our history and culture.
@@Xirque666 ok, thank you.
Great vid! Very enlightening, you pointed out many things that I had absolutely no idea about their origins.
Great video. Very practical and down to earth type of vibe. Thanks for the honesty. There really is nothing new under the Sun.
Hey my dude I wanna thankyou for being truthful. Keep it up. Can’t get enough and would be a dream come true to visit Norway. Thank you
Such a beautiful informative video with a lot of valid sources and references..thank you..subbed
Appreciate you taking the time to put the truth out there! Love your content!
Just got the Norse Calendar tapestry. That came out wicked nice! Keep making those! I put it up on my living room wall. Looks great!
The tapestry you mention sounds wonderful .. Did you get it from this channel's store or somewhere else ? Blessings to you and yours coming at you from the snowy hills of Southern Oregon
wonderful video, great content, keep up the work
The best channel for paganism
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agree - jackson crawford is too dry
@@yggdrasild755 and also not a pagan...phony cowboy soy boy
1000%
It helps to hear how you pronounce the words I read everyday! I haven't started studying the language yet.
Very important info to cover! Important work & video!
This is an amazing video. I am Irish Pagan, my Nan taught me. I wish there were better videos about what we were like in the past in Ireland, what I learned from my Nan, I wish others had known. I am learning so much from this and you explain it so well.
you could start writing down what she has taught you and spread it online. You don't have to show your face. You can do a blog, video essays (even with only text/or computer voiceover). Why not?
I am also Irish and you must know that the Vikings in occupied Ireland sold the the Irish women into slavery. This is well documented. Because she was feed does not make it right! Slavery is slavery. So it wasn't all Ozzie and Harriet. The Viking also murdered the Christian priest and monks in Ireland and England. This is all well documented!
@@Skywolfe1 So what, people everywhere did that to other people everywhere. The Irish aren't free of sin and have had slaves and raided and killed and christianity is just as disgusting and brutal and delusional as islam and judaism .
I love your straight on knowledge with humour. Thank you .be well.
Something people dont consider (or seem to) is that a widow remarrying her brother-in-law after her huaband died would surely have provided for more security and safety as she's "spoken for" should someone attempt to start drama.
I like this guy anyway but he ended this one in such a great way...👏👏👏👏👏👏
Velsigne deg og ha det bra, bror.
One of your best educational posts yet
I never get why people get angry about historic truth🤔😄
To make it about them and emotionally cash in.
What a nuts world we live in when even ONE PERSON thinks a tv series is a historical document! I mean please!
Thank you for saying it.
I've been saying it, for years.
Glad you made this video.
that was highly informative video. thanks man
A really wonderful and fascinating seminar from a really articulate and charismatic historian. Someone ought to give this guy a university professorship.
As always love your videos!
Thank you for filling in some blanks. I was surprised to find this because yesterday I was reading a paper on this very subject. The only other tribe around this approximate time I found who had similar beliefs were the Scythian people.
Hmm! This episode makes me conclude that promiscuity is the first sign of a failing civilization.
You are always very accurate. 👍
Thank you so much for this incite into Viking history.
Great video! Takk Thor! 👍
I'm half Kraut/ half Squarehead Norwegian & I'm Damn proud of it! I have learned so much by watching your channel. I give you a lot of credit because I love history & I remember how excited I was when Vikings premiered on the History Channel.
I was unable to make it through Season 1 because of all of the inaccuracies!
You're an expert in this field & I consider myself to be an amateur, but I'm always learning more. You must have a great deal of patience in order to stomach such garbage! Sorry about the rant, I just get so irate about that Stupid piece of Scatology that non Germanic peoples take as gospel.
You're probably half Greek and half Spanish.
@@ironandzinc Hi, that was funny! Actually my mother's maiden name was Amundsen. My Grandfather's full name was Ole Andreas Amundsen. He and his brothers came here in 1926. Years ago, we found their Ellis Island records. As for my Kraut Credentials, my Grandmother's maiden name was Frey. Other names in my family tree: Arnewald, Mohler, Andersen and Fokker.
Hope that helps you out, peace!
@@thanatos1387 "I'm half Kraut/ half Squarehead Norwegian"
So, when totally drunk you speak original Dutch?
As a society, what we do/show in public, tells the youth what is acceptable behavior. The “I don’t care what you do” attitude is a disservice to your own children. Keep the standard high. This isn’t just towards who you relation with. High morals and values are passed not just by your parents, but by your family, tribe, community and society.
Skal
I wish I could live somewhere where everyone felt this way. Sigh
Im norwegian and I love your teachings!! 🙏🇧🇻When taking a look around the world, we're free, in Norway 🎉🎉🎉
I love your channel ❤
Great video
Thank you for this video I'm a decendant of Rollo Richardson father's and mom is William 1066 her father and Grandma is clan MacDonald I have certified paper for Richardson and still learning thank you!!! Love your videos!!!
Basically human evolution has not changed much. When times are easy people are more liberal in their sexuality, when times are difficult they tend to be more conservative
Society then becomes too comfy with liberalism, it eventually crumbles, and we end up with violence and revolution. Then a conservative culture takes the reigns again. Repeat. It seems we're headed for another collapse in this century, at this rate. The pendulum swings again.
You are amazing my man!!
I went to the Vikings Museum in Dublin and was surprised to find that they died at a very young age, about 30 and a lot of them had stomach worms.
That and many died in battle
Life was rough in the past. Not just for Vikings but for everybody.
I was surprised to hear about a few of them that made to their 50's. One viking king (can't remember which one), made it to his 70s. Pretty crazy.
Worms from raw fish??
It must be stated that Tacitus' Germania is a questionable source at best. Tacitus never went to Germania and any of his statements have to be taken with a huge grain of salt. His intention in writing this book was to paint a picture of a culture connected to its roots, idealizing a simpler way of life as a counterculture to what he percieved as a cuture losing its identity and becoming decadent. I'm not claiuming its all a lot of BS but it certainly isn't an objective description either.
Hahahaaa, Vikings :-) was wondering whether you would have to talk about it eventually.
My biggest annoyance was the casual treatment of "oaths". You had a good video on that. People today really don't understand what a big deal oath- and vowbreaking would have been. It just was not done.
Name of video?
@@jagosevatarion8822 "the worst thing about the new Vikings Valhalla series"
There have been liars and weasely shits in every culture and age.
It's naive to think there was ever some golden age when all men were virtuous.
In Njals saga a man called Frute leaves Iceland to claim an inheritance in Norway. While there he’s told that he’ll need the Kings goodwill to win his claim. In order to get the kings goodwill he needs to get the goodwill of the kings mother and in order to do that he has to sleep with her. A whole deal is made where the queen mother convinces her son to make Frute one of his bodyguards and then she takes Frute to some other location away from her son where she basically just has sex with him for months before he decides to leave. It’s quite clear that the whole thing is supposed to be a secret. Either the son doesn’t know or is pretending not to know.
The comment section in your videos never fails to entertain 😂
I can imagine the Germanic warrior cultures that relied on the idea of men earning their place in the hierarchy of champions with ordstìr (a great reputation) would consist of a brotherhood on senior members urging the inexperienced teens and young men to forsake pursuing women in favor of staying focused on protecting the tribe and becoming a great fighter, only then gaining the reputation through the rigors of tribal warfare and the blessing of the brothers around them to take a wife. This is what I picture in my head when I read Germania. When we look at the Viking Age, sons who did not inherit the farm would inevitably be forced to go out on their own to trade and plunder only then to gain the blessing of some father to marry his daughter.
Definitely the best videos on CZcams . I was wondering your opinion on Bjorn Ironside as a king of Sweden. I know his mound is there..not far from where my grandmother is from. Is there any record of how is was received by the people?
Amazing storytelling and fact-based! 👍👍👍
good show man
It's been a long time since I read Tacitus, but I thought he said that Germans encouraged exploration before marriage, but that once married they fulfilled the family duty to the marriage institution. Thanks again for your work. It's much appreciated.
Isn't this part about the dacian ?
@@kevinreiss-coint2353 honestly, it’s been at least 15 years since I read Tacitus last, so I couldn’t recall.
Tacitus also says it was matriarchal.
Also given that chroniclers typically like to write about princes and kings...how much of this would apply in the exact same way to the majority in the lower classes?
Nice work.
Thank you so much! I am a veracious history lover and you always have such great historical information and I just love watching you and enjoy your sense of humor! I wish that "The Vikings" tv show had been more accurate in the use of characters and had not just used legendary and real people like "Ivar the Boneless" in the wrong time-era's, wrong family, wrong wars etc. I do enjoy the show but I had to pick so much apart from the real time-lime of what actually happened and who did what when? Thank you for the great content about Viking society and sex and gender attitudes of the time. It is a trend anymore to apply feminism to history and impose modern views on historical societies with no care for the actual facts! We have to remember that even if women and men weren't "free" as we think of them today , the Vikings had some impressive laws and respected their women. I recently disagreed with my Mom bc I told her that if I lived in Medieval society I would have guarded myself carefully and kept my virginity bc Not to do so just results in the worst possible scenarios. She said, well I'm not sure you know what you would do if in that situation but let me tell you I'd be Hella careful! Is it right, well no, but was that the way it was, yes! I would rather be safe and have my children recognized and safe than be "ruined" so to speak. I wonder why the upper class women slept with, who was it, Hakon, before the marriage and did so so many times. I guess word did not pass fast enough between them or he was on hot lover. What a Cadd! All my Best!
for the Vikings TV series, it would've been better if they just made an original story with original characters who could've lived back then. Since they're that far off anything that went on, they could've as well just gone their own creative ways altogether. Such a missed opportunity!
Sorry for my bad english because i am Serbian from Balkans but i must tell you our folklore myth from middle age about "boneless" people.
In middle ages promiscuity was very shamefull and when young girl or widow get pregnant only way to avoid shame was to tell all people in village that she slept with vampire(dead husband or dead local guy) in her sleep , so she was not anymore shameless.
Child from that sex relationship with vampire was born "boneless" , and that also mean that in 90% cases child dies.
Brutal true is that woman and her family kill the baby(infanticide) because people will find out very soon that "boneless vampire" story was BS.
But if child survive , in our folklore myth he was big hero or some kind of wizard or witch.
So that is the real reason why people allways connect vampires with sex and beautifull young women , and of course i think that Ivar The Boneless was not criple and really boneless , he was just bustard son who got very smart mother.😁
It’s sad you have to offer a precursor to speak about historical matters.
But I do get a chuckle out of how you balance out the proverbial outrage 😆
You’re the best ☺️
Nice. I am descended from Vikings for sure and it is nice to hear common sense.
Many people are.
The original Roman republic was extremely strict and our laws are based on their ideals.
I love learning about my Norse ancestry, my DNA shows a decent percentage of Germanic Tribes &/or Scandinavia which I never knew so I'm interested to learn as much as possible. It's gets a little confusing about who was & who wasn't considered Viking so I like that you mentioned the Germanic Tribes...sounds like our Ancestors were more alike than different. Thanks for the video!🤩
A good thing to keep in mind is: "while all vikings were Scandinavian, not all Scandinavians went viking." I used "went" because "going viking" is more accurate. It was a job/way of life that didn't apply to all, or even most.
@@Just_Call_Me_Tim Thank you for the info, I appreciate any/all info about this subject.🤩
@@Just_Call_Me_Tim not all Vikings were scandinavian. He's done videos on this.
Tak/Thanks for the enlightenment.
I remember from either the Lex Salica or Lex Frisionum that a free person woman sleeping with a slave would demote her to slavedom.
I don't recall if the same thing went for men.
I dont think so men have always been able to sleep with slaves.
Now from histories, granted from mainly Roman sources, it was not unusual for defeated tribes widows to get together with the surviving men to replenish the tribes. These reports are mainly from after the massive defeats suffered by the Germanic tribes in the Roman wars. Which would make sense as a weak tribe could not defend itself.
As we are in the decadent late roman age we might go back to tribal rules.
Do have playlist of the music you play as background to your videos?
I'm Irish Pagan but of the same mindset. Just because the gods or the ancients did it, doesn't necessarily mean I want to. Discretion is important. Truths we know in the modern day brought to us through the fields of medicine and psychology can't really be ignored in my opinion. Other people can do what they will but that's my personal take.
Whats your stance on reenactment fighting eg wollin etc?
I mostly agree with your model of tribal society and monogamy and metropolitan society polygamy. It does somewhat get sticky when you step into some matriarchal society and Polyandry occurs so that individual wealth means less and communal or family wealth meant more. So there were multiple husbands and one wife and all men took care of the woman and all children from her as if his own, even if it was birthed by the other husband
Vikings story is absolutely interesting.
Just a little pushback - a little bit, it seems obvious that when the men went off a-viking leaving the women to run the farming and fishing, that they had functional control over so many aspects of life that other women who had to put up with the men all the dang time!
Silly question, but what is that greeting phrase you say at the begging of all videos?
It means “welcome everyone” in norwegian :)
There is a similarity in the customs of tribal peoples with regard to sex. Much of what I mentioned about the Vikings was present in other tribal peoples, such as the pre-Islamic Arabs.
With regard to your idea that in developed civilizations there is more opportunity for promiscuity and hypergamy , that's true but also in these civilizations there is a strong state that imposes laws and does not allow promiscuity and hypergamy to lead to the disintegration of society
But a lot of “civilized” states have no laws against promiscuity, especially the western ones
@@sebe2255 you're talking about modern west , but in the past they were many laws against it in most of western states from Rome to Victorian England
This was very interesting! Thank yoi for the information. Im curious why Lesbianism/female bisexuality is never mentioned in any historical documents about viking history to the best of my knowledge 🤔. Is it because it was not seen ad threat because no possibility of pregnancy or maybebfor some other reason
Ladys were careful yo keep men happy and thay didn't notice:)😊
It wasn't a thing. A lot of effort goes into daily survival. Finding new exciting ways to have kinks weren't a priority.
The fact that a law was made against prostitution shows that it did exist. If prostitution wasn't happening, there would be no need to outlaw it. However, it may have been very rare. Really hard to say when we don't have a lot of sources.
The historical record would indicate (at least in the context of medieval Germanic cultures) that the nuclear family was more or less the norm. Being that this overall pattern was not exclusive to Germanic peoples would indicate that it had a stabilizing and beneficial effect on those societies. Thanks for dispelling so much of the modern propaganda affiliated with popular entertainment venues.
The nuclear family was not the norm. Families functioned as clans. The norm was what we would today call the extended family.
@@zekun4741 yes and no. While there certainly was the extended family as a clan as you mentioned, with it wielding authority, it is not the point of this video as it discusses sexual and marital norms. Those norms are essentially what is represented in the typical nuclear family.
Perfect example of the nuclear family within a clan still being a lower common denominator easily seen in another Hollywood history, "Rob Roy." Though, absolutely not accurate historically perhaps, it does demonstrate the concept of a family still being the base unit within a clan.
@@melissahdawn I forgot about that movie, thank you, it is a great example.
Can you make a vid on ivar the boneless. Was he really crippled?
Alot of Information here, it has made me more curious about this find. I wonder why it wasnt a cremation, were these not popular when this was dated back to? Wasnt burning the bodies a faster way for someone to go to the other side? I hope to visit the ship when its on display again, or at least see the exhibition with the finds, truly awesome! Thanks for the Video❤
It is also good to remember that the term "pagan" was not what non-Christian Europeans called themselves. Christians made a term that only meant "one who lives on the land, i.e. farmers, and herders, to a derisive term designating a "hick" who was not up on the latest trends. In this case, it meant throwing off the old ways and converting to Christianity. When people did not care as much about the new religion, they forced it. The same applies to the term "heathen." Heathen only referred to a person who lived "on the heath," or in a meadow/countryside. These types were stereotyped as crude, backward, etc. So the Christians morphed it into a blanket description of groups that needed to be forced into conversion "for their own good."
I'm saving this one for later 😉
Thanks thor
Thanks for not mixing up your own beliefs and those of our ancestors. It happens all too often.
Also, the whole promiscuity bad thing makes a lot of sense, a value which we have kept until really good anti-conception became a thing.
Having children is a big deal, especially up in the North where you have to store food for winter. If you can't feed the mouths, people die.
So you have to get children with someone you know you can build a lasting relationship with, in which you can feed those mouths for many years, year after year.
I'm pretty sure there was some law in some time in which people were granted the right to 'expose' their newborn to the cold, aka, kill them. Was it gray goose laws?
gender rules exist in basically all human cultures but they are often different from culture to culture and they are evolving
Devolving
@@violenceislife1987 Unfortunately so... there is way too much social rot and degeneracy going on.
@@sponge5196 Yes there are a rapid degeneration of values and false truths going on.
@@sponge5196 only mainly in the US
Monogamy was always the Indo European way. Anything other was due to foreign influence.
Commenting on your ending; Like Jordan Peterson said: "You must become a monster".
Yeah ive come to notice that over the years, once societies or large civilisations that we know of in ancient and recent history (generally every 500-1000years) grow large enough and become more liberal when considering sexual orientation and preferences, shortly following, these societies soon collapse.. there’s definitely some connection between these advancing societies, population count and sexual promiscuity with both the opposite and same sex….
Thank you Seafaring Scandinavians! Travel to India and take wives and I get to be the offspring of that crazy love story! It gave me unique looks to say the least! I ❤ my heritage!!!
What honor It is still, to keep promise of spouse, covenant to family. Women held higher regard in societies by holding these promises sacred and heart fully.
History channel lie? You don’t say! Nobody can tell historical accurate accounts anymore 🤞🏼😊.
Marriage was an honor and better brides get better husband. Better wives get better lives (I attest this is true) Life was and crossing centuries continues to be hard, so having mate increased survival.
Slavic and Germanic people organized into Scandinavian groups/tribes/cities and then we made laws. Scandinavian women worked hard! So because we wanted husband and raise big boys and beautiful girls. My relatives held promises. Or they took to grave! Lol
Thank you.
Somethings never change
Also men died in greater numbers in battle leaving larger surplus of woman this seems to be the driving force for men with more than one woman and accepted male promiscuity.
I would like to know what you thought of The Last Kingdom's representation of the Danes. I know it's not historically accurate however I liked it better than Vikings when it came to the representation. I'm glad I've found your channel and I'm finally seeing someone spreading truth instead of the made-up things most continue using. I've been researching as I'm Swedish and it's always interested me.
Definitely garbage. Another show that tried to portray Vikings as idiotic savages.
Thanks for bringing reason to a debate normally filled with unreasonable idealists.
Our ancestors had Honor and it would have angered the ancestors to behave otherwise