Transformers 2: Revenge of the Pointless
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- čas přidán 21. 06. 2022
- After all this time. I finally got around to it. So yippee. Transformers 2. What can really be said. It broke office records and broke even more hearts. It was a disappointment and everyone knew it. It was a cup of good intentions. A tablespoon of one big mess. A dash of overreaction. And I assume you know the rest.
Twitter: / hubpointless - Krátké a kreslené filmy
I love how Optimus goes from “give me your face” and ripping the guy’s heart out and crushing it in front of his face to heroic “all life is sacred” about 2 minutes later
Optimus out here Spoiling a ton of deaths in the JoJos
Honestly I’d love to see Bay’s deranged war criminal Optimus return to the franchise as a multiverse Shattered Glass villain
Knightverse Optimus or another faithful adaptation has to defeat a broken, nihilistic murder machine version of himself and come to terms with his own views on the Transformers’ endless war
Decepticons don't count.
thats like saying "i just shot and killed a sadistic serial killer. therefore i cannot be pro life". i think a few lives dont count in that equation. the fallen was a psycho planning genocide of any race that got in his way
@@michaelsimpson1224 murder machine? he only ever kills the main villains of each movie, and they were genuinely terrible robots planning genocide
I remember when I saw it in theater this 7 year old kid cried as his mom dragged him out after she loudly complained about all the sex jokes. That moment got a bigger laugh than any of the jokes in the movie
Justice for that kid
@@KolchaksGhost #justiceforthatkid
Based mother.
But no lots of that stuff was gross af.
Sure have the girl in poses fine, but why the hell would they add the ugh... humping? Bleh!
Karen moment
@@KolchaksGhost #justiceforthatkid
I love how Megatron gets one cheap shot in and is all "yOu'Re sO wEaK oPtImUs" despite Optimus having just spent several minutes bodying him and Starscream up and down the forest
The reason megatron calls him weak because he saved Sam instead of saving himself and megtron sees that as weakness
to be fair that is totally in character for megatron
@insomnia35 Rex I feel like he'd have said it earlier in the fight if that was really why
@@themediumcheese fair point
@@insomnia35rex48 so megatron is lockdown now
Not gonna lie the
“Hey that hurt”
“It’s supposed to hurt it’s a ass kicking”
Line will always make me laugh
Yeah, that’s a pretty funny exchange. If only literally everything else about those characters was as funny.
It’s my favorite bit.
This film did have some one-off bits of dialogue that are funny.
Jetfire’s
“My grandfather was a wheel, the *first* wheel! Do you know what he transformed into?
*NOTHIIIIIING!*
BUT HE DID SO WITH HONOUR! DIGNITY!”
brings me so much joy.
(Optimus saying “pull over” kinda has fun silly original cartoon vibes too? kinda?)
Does this redeem the film? No lmao absolutely not.
@@LouseGrouse "MY GRANDFATHER WAS A WHEEL!" is honestly a top-tier comedic line. Right up there with "There isn't a tighter shirt! _We checked!"_
There are legitimately good moments in this movie, to be sure. They're just drowning under an endless sea of sex jokes and incomprehensible CGI effects that look like Chaos Entities from beyond the Warp.
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 "If my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike!"
The idea of Megatron bringing his dad to the playground is even funnier when you know that the fallen's real name is Megatronus
That means there's a Megatron extended family, and I live that idea.
@@memegod9982 does that mean megatronus is optimus dad too
This comment chain is probably a joke, but it's still wrong
In the Transformers: Prime continuity (which also includes the War For Cybertron and Fall Of Cyberton games), Megatron became a gladiator and named himself after Megatronus. When he got into politics to propose a new future for his planet, he shortened it to Megatron. This isn't canon to the Bay films, but it's the better canon so who cares
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@@abnormallylargemonkey9334 i would like to imagine Optimus' name was given by his mom, and she wed Megatronus afterwards. And so we have Megatron and Optimus having a step sibling relationship
"Instead he looks like he wants to blow up Mata Nui." The Fallen's revenge is for being dropped in the wrong franchise.
It's revenge for the humans for killing Bionicle. RIP best Lego franchise 2001 - 2010 ✊
Seems to have had a Devil May Cry feel to begin with.
@@ntq6887 There was also the reboot.
@@janbittner1465 it was bad though
@@Lunarchy421 The lore was bad, the sets actually got pretty cool.
"Optimus and the Autobots teamed up with the ATF because the decepticons forgot to pay their taxes"
Funniest thing I've heard all day
It also explains all the massacres and brutality.
The IRS don't play around
@@Tarnished556 even joker knows that
explains the entire plot. the transformers forgot to pay their taxes. the us hates them now. end of plot
Which is funny because in one continuity the reason the seekers have the same body as Starscream is so he could have body doubles to trick the not-IRS because he doesn't pay taxes 💀
I don't know why but the shot of Sentinel Prime screaming *"NO OPTIMUS!"* before his robo-brains are blown to Kingdom Come being used as a jump cut makes me laugh so hard I turn into an athsmatic iron lung patient every time. It's *indescribably* fucking funny.
Ikr everyone Ive ever seen watch that part of the movie always laugh their asses off at that scene. Probably because of the fact that it’s so out of pocket for optimus’ character.
The way you wrote your comment makes me laugh like a hyena
i always expect to hear a dodgeball ping sound in that scene for some reason
@@pinstripecool34it wasn’t out of character
It’s how you first learned the true grim and dark reality of the real (cinematic) world.
In the grimdark world of modern cinema, there is only shitty fart jokes
@@mosterchife6045 We must purge the heretics, brother! Burn them in holy hellfire.
@@mosterchife6045 [Music abruptly stops]
Awkward...
[I JUST WANNA FEEL THIS MOMENT]
@@mosterchife6045 Yeah it’s always “PEEPEE POOPOO FUNNY FARTS GO FFFTTTT!!”
@@triggeredcat120 This video sums it up pretty nicely
czcams.com/users/shortsVM1JiZYNbkM?feature=share
If you want to know how bad this movie was, just know this:
Despite none of them dying, all of the new characters introduced in this movie, from the new transformers, to the new humans, are never even so much as *mentioned* again, in any of the later movies.
aside from sideswipe cuz i guess people liked him a lot
@@ilikepigeons6101 plus, they literally made a complete custom vehicle just for him.
So that's probanly another reason
@@ilikepigeons6101 Because damn, he's good. At killing fleeing enemies.
Apparently both Skid and Mudflap were killed by Sentinel in comics and novels and this a trend that continued where the movie will introduce new characters that meet tragic fates but mostly happen off screen.
@@uju509 Skat and Pissflap being killed off is only tragic in that we never saw it on-screen.
Fun fact : I actually owned a Transformers book as a kid that contained abridged (and significantly toned down) versions of the first and second Bayformer movies. Since violent face ripping was “ToO sCAwY” for little tots, Optimus beat the Fallen by yeeting him into space. It also dropped the sun siphon pyramid plot, and instead made it seem like the Fallen was an eldritch god who was going to eat the Sun like a Big Mac. Ngl, that actually sounds better than the movie.
Reminds me of a couple scenes from "Something about Kirby 64" where kirby just yeets stuff into the sun
Oh shit that's actually interesting, novelizations of movies are usually based on the version of the script that was current at the time it was written, and not the final movie. Movie games did this too back when those were a thing [which is why WALL-E saves EVE in the game instead of the other way around], so some of that may be more mid-production script stuff than it is censorship
Yeah, for me, this one had the most stupidest things with the worst being:
-Bumblebee losing his voice again and acting like a pet dog
-the ghetto twins
-humping dogs
-Sam's annoying mom
-Devastator's balls
-Transformers are born as younglings
-Jetfire literally being an old man Transformer and was killed off to give Optimus a jetpack. My fave Transformer was done wrong but at least he died to be spared even more embarrassment.
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ur racist bud
@@rawley3402 In what way is the OP racist? Those are valid complaints.
@@SiphonRayzarI think he was referring to the ghetto bots?
"Nobody gets along in Bay movies."
Oh my God.... You.... You cracked it.
YOU CRACKED THE CODE!!!
The Autobots got along- that's what counts.
Don't mention Skids and Mudflap. Don't you dare.
@@lonewulv13 Why not? Those two Ebonics speaking Transformers are epic.
@@lonewulv13 even those two did get along in a way, like two near constantly fighting siblings that still care about eachother
You did it, you broke Michael Bay movies down to their bare essentials!
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 Most of 'em got along in the first movie.
Something to note about Optimus is how he gets progressively angrier at mankind in each movie, only to say he will always be dedicated to protect them by each ending.
Well to be fair, the only thing that surprised me was how long that took.
Poor Optimus.
@@MutantsInDisguise Optimus Prime, the violent and cynical leader of the Autobots. Yeah, “poor Optimus”
Man was a freaking librarian, he has no excuse to be that violent.
@@DestroyerApollyon worse, Larry prevented his brother, Peter, from playing the very kind of hero he was warned about. The magic of Optimus Prime wqs the he was an aspirational hero who was wise, stoic, and compassionate; all Bay and the writers did was make him tge typical tough guy who solves his problems through violence and blood.
@@DestroyerApollyon in this universe he was Knight
Kurtzman's ability to consistently fail upwards is truly incredible.
He went from writing this utter travesty to writing Transformers: Prime. I can't even comprehend how that happens.
@occam7382 the explanation for good shows with kurtzman in the crew is usually that he didn't contribute much to the project
The Prime series sort of provided a justification of why Earth is so important that could have been used in the movies: Earth is Unicron, the equal and opposite of Primus, the spirit of Cybertron.
Transformers Prime was what Bayformers wished it could be.
@@kira-dk2mx, truer words have never been spoken.
Funny enough the 5th and last film did set up for that story plotline of Earth being Unicron
I wish the movies were just Prime, but darker.
@@legna3407 yeah, but it was done waaaaay worse
"There isn't a tighter shirt. We checked" followed by a fist-bump is like the single bright spot in this fucking movie.
That might be the one funny joke, apart from maybe Jetfire's ramblings, but there are others things to like. I actually enjoyed some of the fights: Optimus Prime (conveniently by himself) vs. Megatron, Starscream, and Grindor...Soundwave sending Ravage to infiltrate Diego Garcia...the Contructicons and Scalpel resurrecting Megatron...the evil monologue between Megatron, Starscream, and The Fallen...one thing I liked was that they gave the Transformers more personality and more screentime, but at what cost? Oh well, the RotF game on Xbox was fun. Sideways was Bender, the Autobots got an F-35 named Breakaway, only the humans necessary to advance the plot were there...
Dude the rotf game on ps3/xbox360 is underrated as FUCK! The sequence of events in the game make more sense than in the movie too.
@@mrscruffles801 personally I prefer fall of Cybertron but that one's not bad at all either
@@dragonmaster3030 They're both fantastic in their own right
@@dragonmaster3030 ngl War for/Fall of Cybertron were both awesome back in the day
Fun fact: that actually is the same voice for Soundwave as the 80's cartoon, but this multi-million dollar production couldn't be arsed to apply the same distortion effect after recording.
Or a simple vocoder that you can download at home for free. Frank Welker essentially uses his Dr Claw voice for G1 Soundwave and the live action movies, but in G1 it was filtered through that vocoder. There was a mistake in one episode where he says "excellent ravage" in that Dr Claw voice.
And then Bumblebee made Soundwave cool again
these people had a multi million dollar budget.
@@Daltinian95 Oh my goodness. I remember that exact line!
genuinely boggles the mind they nabbed welker to do soundwave and didnt get him to do megatron until the very last movie LOL. same shit as starscream's voice actor. talented va doing their job, post production slaps a very awful distortion over the voice.
I have to confess that Revenge of the Fallen will always have a nostalgic place in my mind since my 12 year old self didn't understand story structure and just saw the big explosions, cool robots, and hot babes. Back when life was simple LoL.
The first three movies will always have a place in my heart because of how epic they were when I was a kid, but I don’t think I can ever watch them again
The first one is a perfectly solid movie. Feel free to check that one out again
@@SidV1013 as well
Tbh, I think it’s just 2 thats kind of bad, but I don’t think I’ll ever hate TF2. I have a lot of good memories of that movie.
@@officialburgershot I stopped after 2 because I HATED 2, thought it was one of the worst movies I'd ever seen. Closest I've ever gotten to walking out of the theater
As a kid I watched those three and loved them, didn't even get the naughty jokes or see the flaws with the movie (but my parents sure did).
When I was older I watched AOE and TLK and I just hate them. They're trash. So, the first three are nostalgically good, but the last two are just bad.
@@SidV101 If you want to give it a chance, check out 3, then search up all of Lockdowns scenes from Transformers 4 and never watch 4 and 5.
At least there’s one thing that we can all agree about these movies.
The soundtrack has no right being this epic and awesome.
Yup, the soundtrack is amazing
Forest battle slaps. I would almost always play the ost when playing Gears 2 n stuff on 360, fitting being the same composer.
I loved the fights in these movies. Also yeah, DOTM is pretty freaking cool
Steve Jablonsky did nothing wrong
Having Linkin Park in the first three movies was genius
Fun fact: The reason Arcee, Elita-1, and Chomera were killed off was because Micheal Bay didn’t feel like explaining female Transformers (even though Hasbro themselves don’t have a good explanation for them)
OMG, based?????
hasbro's explanation: they exist because feminists complained about all the robots looking male
@@aetheriox463 what is bro talking about
@@HollowPurple-if2co no thats literally their reason as to why arcee was added in the movie and the comics. feminists were complaining that all the transformers were male presenting (probably a waste of time but i dont judge) and so hasbro was like "fine, heres your female transformer" and made her generic at first, but then actually made her an interesting character as time went on
@@aetheriox463 proof?
The best thing to come out of Revenge of the Fallen were the toys. Say what you will about that film, those toys were the most well-designed transformer toys ever, not just because they looked like their film counterpart, but because they actually transformed. I had the Leader-class Optimus Prime and to this day, it still holds up
Facts and the 07 figures
Had a bumblebee one and barricade one, both transformed too
Fun fact: Mudflap and Skids were originally meant to have a 3rd brother who would've acted as a balance to their stereotypical attributes. He was scrapped about halfway through for no real reason.
The twins were also supposed to appear in Dark Of The Moon, and they had scenes shot, but after the backlash from Revenge Of The Fallen, their scenes were cut and they were written out entirely.
tbf they were in the movie, you can see them when they´re loading up the ship
@@r.a.fgattaiguy845 no it was actually before that. They were in the scene where all the autobots enter the nest base at the very back of the car line. After that they were never seen again. The loading up the ship scene only had 9 cars (Prime, Bee, Ratchet, Sideswipe, Que, Dino, and the Wreckers).
@@directorforplastic7929 look in the background, they are way in the back
The main reason why the 3rd brother was scrapped was because due to issues of German Automakers on the license on his vehicle mode
Don't they show up in the DotM novelization, and have a surprisingly sad death scene?
"Michael has a top notch, world class crew." From one of the producers on Transformers. But not world class writers.
Ah, but this was made during the writers strike...which I would say explains a lot, but considering all the other Bayformers films that probably did have writers...yeah...
He didn’t have any for rotf
@@ggrarl To be fair, this was the last Transformers movie to have Orci and Kurtzman contribute to the script. DotM and AoE were solely written by Ehren Kruger.
He can put together a good looking movie but he doesn't really give a crap about the story. I really want to see Bay team up with Gendy Tartakovsky. Gendy's silent story telling mixed with Bay's spectacular visuals can make for one epic movie
Bay's really more of a visual director over a story-based director. The best parts of his movies, with only a few shining exceptions, are his action sequences (before TLK that is).
I like how Arcee is in the top five most favorite autobots in the series and even was planned to appear in the first movie, but here, her whole existence is a background character who gets murdered in cold blood
Right. I hated that. And her design alone could have helped her shine and stand out. Combine that with a good character personality and she would've been a fan favorite. Like Arcee form Transformers Prime.
Same goes for poor Elita-1 and Chroma. It's really upsetting to see them just get thrown away like they didn't even matter. People like them and they have just ignore them for no reason. At least now a days you see love for the fembots which pretty good.
@@ivanlopezjr.2137 Right. I had no idea they were in the movie.
I only recently found out that was arcee and I just could not believe it. The god awful design, the way she dies immediately! Ho boy.
Here’s some interesting boys and girls: The real reason why arcee was scrapped in the first film was because the writers didn’t want explore on bringing about different genders for the transformers
11:45
*Simmons:* One man, alone!
*Leo:* Stop saying that!
*Simmons:* Betrayed by the country he loves!
*Leo:* I’m in the car okay? Your not alone!
Out of everything in those 5 movies, John Turturro is the one thing I will always enjoy about them all.
"Optimus and the Autobots have teamed up with the ATF because the Decepticons forgot to pay their taxes."
As someone who learned that the ATF is part of the IRS just a few weeks ago, I appreciate you spreading the knowledge.
Dark of the Moon is an absurd clusterfuck but at least it knows what the audience wanted and had a like 40 minute long battle
that is exactly why dark of the moon is my favorite out of the trilogy. such an awesome movie
Honestly, it's glorious
Dark of the Moon was the first movie I ever watched where I just decided not to finish it because I was so goddamn bored lol
@@JeanPaulBeaubier literally HOW it's nonstop from start to finish, it doesn't slow down enough to get boring
@@Nemesis2508. it's definitely the best transformers movie
the perfectly cut "NO OPTIMUS" gets me every time
Sentinel Prime: exists
Optimus: *Your free trial of life has expired. BLAM.*
No optimus *vineboom*
@@Jaxymann to be fair sentinel did disintegrate one of his best friends
@@rstar3457 I’ll admit, Sentinel probably deserved his fate for the horrible things he did, but killing him like that is just out of character for Optimus. Especially considering the fact that Sentinel was his former mentor. Actually, it is pretty in character for this Optimus, but not for the depictions of him that we all love
@@BigBoy257 Optimus in these movies is so far from classic Optimus it is hilarious. This Optimus is one stubbed toe away from "kill them all" mentality at ALL TIMES!
15:35 Fun fact: The voice actor of that green transformer is Spongebob. He also voiced the other smaller transformer.
Ah yes, good ol' Tom Kenny
He also voiced Starscream in TFA
"Give me your face" Was a moment in cinematic history that certainly was one of the most written, voice acted, and synced to a computer generated truck's mouth moments of some time.
i remember being a kid and thinking "wow how many entire family's where massacred in that highway scene" every transformers movie
And you wonder why Optimus didn’t spare him
@@PoIarisPrime "nO OpTiMuS"
Bro you tried enslaving humanity and would've mercilessly killed Optimus, whom you had literally disarmed and was begging for his life, had Megatron, who you also treated terribly, not shot you in the back.
Get rekt idiot.
One thing I always thought was funny about these movies was how in each installment the already-kinda convoluted Transformers deep lore just keeps getting compounded more and more to get bigger and bigger stakes until it's a jumbled incomprehensible mess. Like finally arriving at Transformers 5 with Quintessa shouting about being Transformer-God in the back of my mind I thought "Hey, where does the Jesus Cube and Grandpa Decepticon factor into all this again? Weren't they supposed to be important in all of this?"
“He transformed for your sins”
Ironically that's perfectly in spirit of the original G1 Lore "ahh the Transformers are just robots and the decepticons are war bots trying to fulfill their nature, no wait they have robot souls and there's this thing called the matrix of leadership and they were made by Primus, no wait they were made by this old guy called Omnicron who also made Unicron, NO WAIT"
@@cyberninjazero5659 ....Uh, what? So far as I'm aware/can remember, and it admittedly has been a very, very long time since I last really sat down and watched G1, Primus wasn't even so much as mentioned. Out of universe, he didn't even fucking exist yet. He was introduced in the comics, again, so far as I recall, and later introduced more broadly later on. Nor are sparks or such a G1 thing, either, they are Beast Wars. Unless you just mean that canon as a whole, but even then. The cartoon continuity, just on the face of it, not counting the obscure Japanese shit nobody cares about, wasn't exactly rocket science.
Quintessa doesn't do anything beyond disrespecting the original lore.
How about Cybertron clearly being destroyed in the third movie and coming back as if nothing happened? Or humanity basically having done absolutely nothing by themselves, always babysitted by some transformer throughout history despite a trillion tons of evidence that it wasn't meant to be this way in the previous movies?
Quintessa is such a tiny issue in my opinion.
@@papapalps2415 Primus doesn't appear by name but The Matrix of Leadership *somehow* comes about after the creator of Unicron gets betrayed by him, it just rises from his body and blasts off into space.
The Matrix of Leadership itself was pulled from the comics and there it has an actual origin with Primus and all that
Sparks were conceived for the G1 series before they decided to lift the Matrix from the comics, Optimus was going to give his "Life Spark" to Ultra Magnus in the Movie
"It's supposed to hurt it's an ass kickin'!"
No but really that's a fire line
every pointless hub video is a similar yet wildly different experience that, without fail, makes me find a greater appreciation for the world around me
They're very delightfully hilarious to watch!😂
Cody's voice in these videos... it is the equivalent of watching a a SyFy movie while eating cheese puffs in your sweatpants...
There is just something so relaxing and low effort about it.
Having a character named the Fallen was a terrible idea. Going into the film the first time, I always thought the "revenge of the fallen" were dead decepticons who had fallen in battle before and were getting resurrected to take their revenge.
If you think about it, it does kinda have multiple meanings. Could consider Megatron and Optimus as “Fallen” since they both die and come back to life.
@@jordanrichardson7498 except there's already a character called the Fallen so, that double meaning crap goes out the window.
Also this movie is not smart enough for double meanings.
@@sebastiancintron29 “also”😂😂
Same
@@sebastiancintron29 actually in Latinamerica and Spain the movie was called: La Venganza de los Caídos... “Caídos” meaning “Fallen” in plural... So I always consider it as every bad guy who fell in battle. But they probably translated it poorly...
I remember the movie for three things:
- The Music.
- GIANT ROBOTS WOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
- Robot Balls.
don't forget the epic bombarment scene in the desert :D
"I am directly below the enemy scrotum."
Also Linkin Park
The *E N E M Y S C R O T U M .*
Forest Battle was lit.
I loved all the bionicle references in this movie, I personally always thought as a child that the Fallen looked so out of place, plus like he didn't even have a transformation, you know like how TRANSFORMERS have?
About the whole script thing, I did a little timeline made of pure speculation. If Transformers (2007) was green lit in 2003, a script should’ve been made and accepted in late ‘03 to early ‘04, and if production began from let’s guess ‘05 to ‘06 and that a sequel was planned, Revenge of the Fallen would’ve been written and approved in around early 2006. This is how it’s usually done in film/ animation studios when making a TV series. So yeah, the writers strike isn’t why the script sucks, it’s the copious amounts of Colombian Nose Candy that Michael Bay has at his house.
I remember this movie. The thing that bugged me the most was that the US military was more powerful than the autobots.
That’s cap though
I get that. Too many Cons are killed by humans in the series. I want more robot fighting, not humans fighting robots. One is transformers, the other is a SyFy scifi movie.
@@romulus2473 Literally the fodders though that can’t happen to even mid tier Transformers like at all
It really ruins the threat of the Transformers when some small squad of guys with ARs can fend them off. They should've made the military less op like they were in the first one.
@@mrscruffles801 wrong those are the fodders who get defeated easily like that the low tiers to the mid and top tiers that won’t ever do anything
I find it interesting how none of the characters ever dwell on the fact that although the AllSpark is supposed to be the sourced of all Transformer life, every life we ever see it or it's shards create is destructive, murderous, and evil. How did the Autobots come about if that's all it creates?
From what I remember, the cube is kinda like the one ring from LOTR, during the war Megatron poured his malice to the all spark, wishing all it creates is more decepticons, and when the autobots found out about it optimus yeeted the cube to space, that's how it got lost and fell to earth and megatron followed after it, but not before he made that deal with sentinel to rendezvous with him on earth and as we know, both of them had a "happy" landing
I mean you take one look at Optimus in this movie series and I think that answer reveals itself
Didn't the first film make it clear that all modern day Earth technology was created through reverse engineering Megatron? That explains why whatever Earth technology that the AllSpark touches is suddenly a deception.
This was literally explained in the first movie that all technology was reversed engineered from Megatron.
The same way black people are like that, it's in their nature
What an amazing record Alex Kurtzmann has. EVERY time his name comes up in a CZcams review/essay/etc, it’s NEVER a good thing
I still remember watching this movie in theaters as an 8 year old w my uncle. The absolute shock I felt when I saw Optimus just die on screen was insane lmaoo
I cannot wait to see your review on good old Dark of The Moon, its may favorite out of the 5 bay films
Mine too! And hello there, Trans Theories!
Now you gave me even more evidence that Blackout and Grindor are the same thing. Thanks!
I'm subbing to you instead of Cody.
You clearly have poor taste and you need to watch more movies
It is my favorite as well.
Dark of the Moon was my favorite, too! I remember watching it some much as a kid! I had lego, and Bionicles, and transformers, and I'd have all my toys brawl it out while the movie played, good times. I think it's a good movie. Nowhere near as crass and horny as Revenge of the Fallen, it's just a movie about super cool robots going to war, and violently murdering each other.
Alex Kurtzmann is like the urban myth of that cat that appears in the hospital rooms of the gravely ill moments before they die, except for franchises.
And then there’s Transformers Prime where he’s basically a phoenix rising from the ashes.
OOF
@@nmr7203 the show was good, wtf do you mean
@@nmr7203 lmao
As soon as I heard "Alex Kurtzman", I immediately knew why the script sucked for this movie. As night follows day.....
15:25 that design is a million times better
the silliest part of this video is that i couldn’t even tell the difference between the bionicle on the clickbait and the fallen
There's one rewrite that would make the whole movie alot more cohesive.
Make the search for the Matrix the main goal of the movie and completely remove the pyramid machine plot.
The Matrix of Leadership itself is already one of the most powerful relics in Transformers lore.
It gives it's wielder the knowledge and memories of everyone who ever wielded it before.
So just, make the Fallen's plan about wanting to obtain it
But Optimus destroying the star harvester gave us a huge feat for powerscaling and it made it even better plot wise too
@@PoIarisPrime i mean powerscaling Is fun but it's funnier to do in the comics
@@randombadchannel8700 No both are equally good
@@PoIarisPrime ok Is Just that in the comics there's crazier stuff with unicron and others
@@randombadchannel8700 the movie feats get to multiverse level though their still both fun
I had an unhealthy obsession with this movie. I loved it to death and even went so far as buying a Target-exclusive special edition DVD that had like 4 hours of behind-the-scenes features and I would watch those features over and over and over. And yet, I managed to forget about it and leave the franchise behind like a former cult member. This video brought back so many buried memories.
God, I was a dumb child.
😆🤣
...this comment/story.
Man, I LOVE your honesty. And rest assured, we were ALL dumb children/teens.
My 4 year old little brother watched this movie 3 times in one day. This was last week.
I mean, stuff's exploding. That's all you really need for entertainment back in the day. Plus it's a movie about cars transforming into robots, how cool's that?
Nah you were a smart child
@@GlizzyGoblin757 don’t try to say “these movies are bad” because they are actually good and you won’t have a good reason on why their bad
I laughed way too hard at the optimus 90 percent of the film bit.
9:30 fun fact: that was frank welker doing the same voice he did for soundwave in g1, just sadly no voice synthesizer was added
In an episode of the original Transformers cartoon, the sound crew forgot to synthesize Soundwave's voice and he sounded like that, the same voice Welker used for Dr. Claw in the Inspector Gadget cartoon.
This was the first midnight release I ever went to. Being a dumb teenager at the time I really enjoyed the first Transformers and my mom wanted to treat me to the sequel as a treat for good grades. I left the theater absolutely hating the movie, but because I didn’t want my mom to be upset I pretended to enjoy it around her. Years later at a party, the topic of bad movies came up in a conversation and I let my true feelings slip accidentally in front of her. She then started laughing and said, _“Really? All this time? I thought it was terrible and didn’t want hurt your feelings!”_ We still laugh about it from time to time. It was a good memory.
You lied to yourself
@Bootleg Explain
The fact that you went to see this film with your *mom* tells me everything I need to know.
The fact it was a reward for good grades is the icing on the cake.
@@lonewulv13 damn you're written with the likeability of a Michael Bay character
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I never saw this movie, so when you showed the Fallen, I was like, 'huh, this guy kinda looks like a bionicle'.
Then a scene later you shower his head on top of Onua and I died 🤣
I dont think Onua shows up anywhere in the video. There are all sets from 2009 and a moc tho
@ I mean, at 15:00 ish it shows the original Makuta, I am 100% positive at one point it showed a transformer head on Onua's body but I'm too lazy to track the timestamp down: he's literally THE ONLY bionicle to ever be built 'upside down' so his body shape is pretty easy to spot mate.
@@jeffbrownstain The one at 15:00 is Atakus tho...
@@kirkkerman Okay you right, their masks look VERY similar tho, as do their weapons.
Still think I'm right about Onua tho
@@jeffbrownstainOnua's torso isn't upside down, Pohatu's is. It's because they wanted him to be able to have a kicking action for his articulation mechanism, so they just rotated the piece. This also makes it near-impossible for him to stand on his feet.
Onua's unique feature is that his head is mounted lower and further forward to give him a kind of more squat posture.
Alex Kurtzman was not caused by the writer's strike. He was caused by the sins of our ancestors.
I do believe the strike had a massive impact on this movie. Production didn't just begin with an unfinished script, it didn't start with a rough draft, or anything.
Michael Bay had a 14 page outline for the movie. Not a script, but an outline, and they just winged it.
There is actually a character in the Transformers IDW comics who wears the Decepticon logo as his face, being a character who believes so adamantly in the Decepticon’s cause.
Tarn was badass man
There is even a character in IDW1 who kills people with his face. XD sometimes I think that was meant to mock this movie.
Tarn, baby
we just got that figure, and he looks cool
@@cassiopaia3153 Bay Optimus: Give me your face!
Vos:
Bay Optimus: Wait no, noooooo AHHHHHHH
Peter Cullen's voice acting was one of the highlights of the live action films, and he was one of the few main leads who actually put effort into his acting, along with the other voice actors.
the irony of this being my FAVOURITE film when i was 10, used to watch this over and over again almost every day..
I'm a professional cinematographer & screenwriter now lol
What did you make
13:30 that was the moment when Beast Wars should've been brought in
One of the best things about Transformers is the variety of fun, interesting and well defined characters and the way their unique personalities played off of eachother.
Stuff like this is what made Transformers so appealing in the first place and it's a shame that the Bayformers never really utilized this.
Tbf, I'm pretty sure selling toys was what made TF interesting in the first place. Like with GI Joe and pretty much every other cartoon in the 1980s.
@@romulus2473 yeah, but that's not enough to keep your franchise relevant and popular.
Toys are fun, but if the character's are unappealing and uninteresting, you're not gonna get very far.
I mean, look what happened to GoBots
@@mynameisharry8739 agreed
Even the comic adaptations and prequels of the films have far more soul, consistency and interesting character interactions than the films themselves.
@@mynameisharry8739 Or what happened to the Bayverse.
Crashed and burned so hard it almost bankrupted Paramount before it was saved by Bumblebee by it simply doing alright financially.
One of the most “interesting” things about revenge of the fallen is that it is kind of responsible for the trend of each movie introducing deep meaningful events and lore that completely flip what you knew on its head. To then immediately be forgotten and irrelevant by the next along with earth always being the most important planet because reasons that are completely contradictory to the previous movie’s reason.
The first movie introduces that they only came to earth to chase the allspark to save their home and species and that’s how megs got here and got frozen along with the decepticons being more established as they have been looking for the boss for a while, but are still fish out of water. Then revenge sets up that earth had cybertronians on it predating the autobot decepticon conflict in a long past ancient time. This further expands on the “our race and world are dying plot” as the scuttled decepticon ship shows the young transformers are effectively stillborn do to a lack of resources to keep themselves alive. And the big twist of megatron actually has a master directing him and instructing him on how to save his people although through brutal got mine means. By the end the decepticons are truly animals with their backs to the wall and are even more likely to resort to desperate and barbaric measures to survive.
And this is all thrown out in dark of the moon as the plan is just bring the home world to earth because….reasons and the cons have a super secret mega army they just never bothered to use while it also turns out the decepticons had massive influence over human governments and influential people and never used that to find megatron when he was missing on earth while extremely powerful high ranking decepticons had been hiding on earth and just never helped in the previous fights while megatron character arc is basically being pissed that he is second fiddle now despite being fine with that previously. And this insane cycle of the transformers actually being super involved with earth and having super weapons hidden on it repeats again and again while everyone just forgets the previous movies events minus one or two parts.
Had revenge of the fallen actually had a chance then we may have gotten a interesting universe of questing who’s actually right between the overly optimistic autobots who are kind of doomed on the path they are going or the destructive ends justify the means decepticons willing to do anything.
Bumblebee was never shown arriving on earth neither the other decepticons in TF1, by then after Megatron crashed over 10,000 years ago other cybertronians have been living on earth in secret
@@PoIarisPrime I believe the first movie suggest that the first confirmed sittings where from around the turn of the century and where supposed to have been early scouts. Making the time line that Megatron during the closing days of the war follows the allspark on his own, after a significant amount of time the allspark being on earth becomes known or at least assumed so scouts are sent out IE bumble bee and at least some of the first movie cons, significantly latter Sam post the glasses on eBay which gives both sides concrete info and prompts the main autobots to come and probably blackout given his alt mode is a recently destroyed helicopter.
The hypothetical time line suggest that both sides had good reason to assume it was on earth, but never really moved on that knowledge as they had no concrete way to find what they where looking for or even where to really start.
@@monkeyinapanzer Yes exactly this, and the eventually cybertronians started coming there and living on earth and meanwhile world war 2 happened and Bee and Hot Rod joined
And now we've reached the essay comments and I think it's time for bed.
I think Sentinel and Megatron made a plan with the pillars as a back up if he failed to get the allspark. I like the 2nd movie but if Megatron needed the Matrix to revive him, he could’ve just told the Fallen to go to the moon so it would’ve been The Fallen Megatron and Sentinel v Optimus who was just revived
I watched Revenge of the Fallen as a little kid in the theatres.
I vaguely recall being very bored except during the fight scenes.
also I think i cheered when Optimus prime got a jet pack and flew around.
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yes this bit is working at maximum efficiency
Fun fact: Soundwave is voiced in both ROTF and the G1 cartoon by Frank Welker, who utilizes his Dr. Claw voice for both. The reason he sounds different in the movie is because the filmmakers just didn't vocode his performance like in the cartoon. I suppose this was to make him sound more "menacing", which seems like a moot point when the end result sounds like... well, _Dr. friggin' Claw._
That alone tell you how little the studio cares about the TF franchise.
Well that explains when I saw megatron I was thinking he sounds like claw. 🤣
I love the running gag of Cody casually comparing these Transformer designs to Bionicles.
Even though the movie sucks the moment in the woods where Optimus Prime says “You’ll never stop at one, I’ll take you all on” and absolutely destroys the opponent’s is so Epic, I’ve watched that one scene so many times and it never gets old.
9:15
“Decepticons, we have located the shart”
I don't care how dogshit this movie is.
It gave us Linkin Park's "New Divide."
That deserves some credit.
Great song especially live.
Here's some sweet nostalgia for you guys: czcams.com/video/kmj9UMkFYRs/video.html
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my favourite song of all time, 'nuff said
GIVE ME REEEEASON
The Mata Nui joke made me fall out of my chair. It really seems like the design team made him look like Makuta from Bionicle
I love the Bionicle references throughout this video.
@@sgtpaloogoo2811 same
Nah he looks more like skrall
Every time he was complaining about his design I was like “nah, he looks pretty sick, like a bionicle”
Then he compared him to bionicles lmao
@@sgtpaloogoo2811 Even all these years later, our love of Bionicle goes strong, yet Lego denies us, this timeline is cruel.
I'm glad someone has indirectly pointed out that The Fallen and the Bionicles of the same year (2009?) were incredibly close in design, not to mention the parallel of The Fallen himself having a mask/face. I've often wondered if it's just coincidence or if one took inspiration from the other. Not to downplay Bionicle at all, but if it was the inspiration for the big Summer blockbuster of that year, that's pretty great in Bionicle's favor, but not so much for the lack of originality for Bay's Transformers. Thanks for making a vid where I can validate a recurring thought that's stayed with me over the years lmao.
16:03 is what I remember most about the movie. Scene with the scream of "I'm gunna di . . . " is much more visceral than it needed to be.
Showing a 2009 era bionicle right as you mention the plot point of them existing far longer than ever known or whatever was a perfect parallel
I love that in half of this, you're using Bionicle toys to represent the transformers. That's how interchangeable they are with these designs.
That's how interchangeable *The Fallen's* design is.
Boinicle haro factory yeeah
@@lonewulv13 to be fair wtf does he even transform into
In fairness, Frank Welker voiced Soundwave in DOTM exactly like he did in the G1 cartoon, they just didn't run his voice through a vocoder.
It was also very annoying that they killed Optimus so early on in the movie and used so much screen time sexualizing the FUCK out of every character, there was barely time to bring him back and do anything.
However, I'll never forget my 7 yr old self's heart dropping to the floor watching my hero die on screen. I just kept screaming "OPTIMUS PRIME!!" and burst into tears while everyone else in the theater laughed. Good times lmao
That was Michael Bay’s one problem, “make everything look cool” “it’s gotta be cool looking” instead of developing a coherent story. Complete style over substance
Someone years ago did an analysis of Michael Bay. He cites the 1961 film adaptation of West Side Story as one of his biggest influences, because he more or less felt that every shot was incredibly dynamic and had a lot going on in it. Add to this his career beginning with commercials and music videos (both of which require you convey a lot in not a lot of time), combined with the pitfall of one's style becoming a caricature of itself, and it explains a LOT.
I was so excited to see it, but on the way to theater we saw two car accidents happen right in front of us. Then they announced the death of Michael Jackson on the radio. Despite all that, seeing this movie was the most heartbreaking thing that day.
Just an Average day in 2009.
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"And then everyone clapped"
@@PieroMinayaRojas "and then everyone clapped" you say that like seeing 2 car accidents and hearing about the death of a massive celebrity that occured literally the day after this film came out is as if he said he witnessed the aurora borealis saving baby polar bears lmfao
08:22 gets me every time lol
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i genuinely love hearing the fallens voice, his voice actor is one of my favorites
You can never go wrong with Tony Todd.
@@WalkmanWillWalkAllOverYou fr tho, Zoom in the Flash, Candyman, and now Venom in the new Spiderman game, love that guy
Dark of the moon is definitely a guilty pleasure.
There's just something about it that is very epic feeling.
"We will kill them all."
-Optimus Prime
How can a transformers movie not be epic feeling when it has that amazing score. "BA bububuBA BA" just blaring while giant robots are getting decapitated and shit.
The whole series is a guilty pleasure to me. Well excluding the last one. Dark of the moon makes me sad because Ironhide was always my favorite and his death tore me up
Honestly Dark of the Moon is what Revenge of the Fallen should have been.
It's serious moments mostly work, some of the one liners actually work, the twist villain (even though done to death in movies) worked too.
Despite still not being a good movie, almost everything about "Daightem" works. It's really the peak of the whole franchise and should've ended right there.
Glad everyone agrees that Dark of the Moon is pretty good.
And the things about Cold War, the Moon exploration thing were, actually, very good concepts lmao
I never liked the ending in it and when I found out they changed the ending to that mindless violence from the original ending. I can't agree with you.
The design for Soundwave in Transformers:Prime show is my favourite
At least we got Jetfire out of it. He used to be my most hated thing in this film but nowadays? He's the best part of it! Seemingly actually friendly to some degree if a little cranky (though even that works fine, just look at Kupp from the animated film), has some funny moments, has a really nice and oddly readable design for these films (probably due to the more unique silhouette), a decepticon that just decided to change sides? Heck they even do combination with him and it's actually cool! I don't even remember him having the inane dialogue a lot of the others get! Aaaand... of course he dies in the first film he's in -_-
Here's my hot take: the Battle of Chicago in Dark of the Moon feels far more bleak, dangerous, and apocalyptic than the New York fight in Avengers. Both movies came out the same year with similar plots, and DotM managed to nail that tone a bit better than the other.
Agree. The first time I saw it I was mentally preparing myself for the first time that the good guys wouldn't come out on top. Seeing Sam, Epps and his team roll into a dystopian Chicago was just depressing
I mean that's because the tone WASN'T the same for Avengers. Nor was it trying for that. That said. Infinity War destroys this tone with its ending
@@dimensionzone8048 you mean the ending that was spoiled before the movie even came out
@@chrishardin9774 even so that doesn't change the ending tone at all lol
@@dimensionzone8048 Infinity War ending was kinda shocking bu it wasn't all that much because you know the characters would come back.
One thing I would rewrite for this movie…well, there are a lot of things that should be fundamentally rewritten, but one thing I would definitely change is the Fallen’s death scene. Like, _”Give me your face!”_ is a cool line and all, but it just doesn’t work in context. I think it would be better if the Fallen and Optimus fought on top of the pyramid, and then Optimus says “Time to live up to your name!” and then kicks him off the top and he falls and gets impaled on some machinery or something. Like, he’s The Fallen, and he wants to rise to power, so the most fitting death would be if he fell one last time. It’s not much, but it’s something, right?
It's still a bit of a cheesy one-liner (although this is still blockbuster shlock, so it fits), but the scene and line itself would have still worked infinitely better than Optimus unceremoniously going full on Mortal Kombat on the Fallen.
@@succubastard1019 Yeah, I’m not trying to be Kubrick here - just trying to make this movie at least a little bit salvageable. I’m glad you liked my rewrite, though!
Cheesiness aside, I kind of agree but for different reasons. I think "give me your face" and the death scene itself are pretty brutal things for Optimus to do. I get he's angry or something, but he's still the good guy.
@@romulus2473 Bayformers Optimus progressively becomes more and more like the Transformers version of Doomguy with each consecutive film. He just straight-up starts glorykilling Decepticons left and right, and it should be cool, but it just feels wrong for someone like Optimus to do it.
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 agree wholly. He's just never really like that in any other incarnation. He's like supposed to be the least edgy bot. Let someone else be edgy, like Sideswipe or Ironhide.
I remember seeing this movie in the theater and coming out thinking it was so bad it came around to being kinda good, but not in the funny way but in a weird dream-like "abstract art" sort of way. Like they made so many bizarre decisions that it somehow turned out strangely fascinating. I had the vague feeling that this movie did something to my brain that I didn't quite understand. It was a _special_ kind of bad, the kind where I actually end up feeling impressed, in the sense that it made a profound impression on me. Maybe not in a good way, but still.
5:40 I remember someone explaining to me when I was younger that "Michael Bay writes all characters as insane psychopaths, but how they release their insanity is different from character to character." This works terrifically well for movies that deal with crime and violence, but it doesn't work when you are trying to have characters with noble values and goals.
Transformers is SUPPOSED to have characters that are noble and willing to sacrifice themselves for others, but none of the characters actually reflect any moral values of any sorts. It creates a confusing skinsuit of a film franchise that feels like Buffalo Bill murdering hapless beloved characters and then clothing himself with them and then trying to fit in by saying something vaguely similar to what those characters might say if they were trying to make parole.
Also, thank you for pointing out the connection to Bionicles. The Fallen always looked like a Bionicle, but then again the Bionicles you showed with lime-green pieces that break easily came out after this movie, so it could be a little bit of an inverse.
"Dark of the moon is my personal favorite" is such a non-hot-take that it has become the mythical "cold-take", a take so agreed upon yet acted as if it wasn't by everyone around it that adjacent hot-takes start loosing their flare.
I fcking loved that movie when i was a jit. Dark of the moon is second best transformer movie
I always love a good Bionicle reference. The Fallen does look like Makuta.
100%
Question: What was 7:45 even all about? I'm kinda lost!🤨
*deep inhale* That's actually Tuma
That's not Makuta dude :/ that's the leader of the Skrall! He got backstabbed by Mata Nui in the movie!
@@liamphibia check out his video on ancient aliens over on alternate history hub. It'll make more sense
If I had a nickel for every time some used the "No Optimus" clip in a video I'd be rich.
And it's funny every single time
Imagine if Shia had dropped the magic rock near someone with an artificial heart.
9:18 Fun fact, though only a snippet of this shot is seen here, in the movie itself they actually reused this shot with different dialog. Peak film effort.
Guy: *saying where the all spark shard is at *
Desepticon: *steal it *
Guy: how did they steal the shard from the hidden military base over by the shores of such and such
Seriously even much younger stupider me though this was stoopid
“Instead he just looks like we wants to…blow up Mata Nui.” Excellent, +10 points.
Dude the Spiro the dragon sound track in the background is hitting my brain right in the childhood...thank you for bringing back fantastic memories with the simple addition of background music
If the fallen did look like the decepticon insignia, I'd have a good excuse to reference Phineas And Ferb and say "if I had a nickel for every time a Decepticon had a Decepticon emblem for a face, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice"
I think this movie more than the first one set the pace for the rest of these movies. Because, the first movie absolutely had the bad stuff the following movies are known for, but, it definitely had good moments too. Mikaela has an actual arc, the characters mostly like each other, etc. When the writers strike happened, this script went into flux, and became what it became. But, the movie still made a good heap of revenue. And it showed to the execs or producers or whoever, "Hey, we don't have to try nearly as hard on the scripts for these." And the rest is history.
I remember watching The Last Knight, and was surprised to realize that that film actually made Revenge of the Fallen seem…slightly less bad. I never thought there would be a TF film that made me feel that way.
Then again, The Last Knight has the kind of energy of a store employee who is just doing the bare minimum to get through the day and get paid.
Michael Bay is usually on top of his movies production wise but TLK is where he just didn't give a damn. The editing is atrocious, cutting from scene to scene haphazardly with no context, characters appearing out of nowhere only to disappear for the rest of the movie. When the movie was still in theatres there was talk of an extended cut and I'm not sure they followed through on that
TLK felt like all of the sequels in one shopping bag, you have the transformers being around before dawn of technology, cybertron coming to earth's atomsphere, decepticons working with humans again and of course, autobots being hunted and killed.
One of the most baffling things about this movie was the whole premise of "transformers have been on Earth before", which wasn't even unique to Transformers canon. The entire point of the Beast Wars was that the Decepticons' distant descendants, the Predacons, used time travel to go back in time and kill Optimus Prime in a crashed shuttle where he just sat around in a coma until in-universe 1984, thus eradicating the Autobots' distant descendants, the Maximals, from ever having existed at all.
A couple fun notes the Beast Wars premise raised: (1) Dinobot taught the neanderthals how to use tools and single-handedly saved the whole species from being exterminated by the Predacons, which would've erased humanity from history and thus they never would've helped the Autobots defeat the Decepticons. There was a reason Dinobot was so willing to die in that fight, and why he's arguably _the_ most beloved characters in the franchise. (2) The Megatron of Beast Wars was not related to the Megatron of G1 at all, but instead was a gangster-warlord and Predacon extremist who went rogue (almost screwing over the Predacons' cold-war-esque machinations in the process) who took his name not even from G1 Megatron, but from a quasi-Satanic figure in the transformers' Bible which (dun-dun-dunnnnnn) turned out to have been Beast Wars Megatron all along.
Both of those time-paradox-entangled plot points were better written and more dignified than anything Bay or his writers would ever contribute.
In the original transformers optimus is an idealistic leader who uses violence only when he really needs to and is usually seen as a moral being.
In transformers prime optimus is someone who's not above killing, but who still believes in peace and tries to hold onto his ideals.
In the cinematic universe Optimus can smell fear from 2 miles away and his record time for ripping a deception's head off after seeing the symbol is 0.4 seconds.
But I can't complain too much, human alliance was my favorite line of transformers toys as a kid and only existed because of the bay movies.