Transformers 2007: It's All Downhill From Here
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- čas přidán 15. 05. 2024
- There once was a series about robots that turned into stuff. The series itself would perform the biggest transformation of all. Into a horrific abomination spanning five movies.
But before that happened, there was a single movie. A single dream. A single spark of actual integrity. The one and only decent Micheal Bay Transformer movie. Transformers 2007. I'm not going to simply make fun of this movie. I want to understand it. How did it come to this.
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Chapters:
0:00 - Before Time Began
1:13 - Introduction
4:10 - How This Began
7:23 - Transformers 1
8:08 - A Quick Recap
11:30 - The Bad
12:12 - Inside the Bay
16:57 - A By Gone Era - Krátké a kreslené filmy
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I stared into the abyss and the abyss replied with Linkin Park's 'What I've Done'
I am shittng bricks
Great song though.
don't forget the abyss' theme, 'new divide'
Make a playlist please
I like the first 3 films
The reason why none of the Transformers simply bought the glasses was because they couldn't get past CAPTCHA
@Cristofer Andrade Even the 'Cons? Seriously?
@@evanboll4651 cons sounds like a derogatory term
@@evanboll4651 Professional Villains have standards
@@goose6112 It's been shorthand for "Decepticon" ever since G1, and it's no worse then the various terms they've used to describe the 'Bots.
@@goose6112 "Darn cons moving into this good neighborhood They're gonna bring down property prices!!"
For all its faults, we can all agree that the scene of Blackout transforming and wiping out a military base was one of the most badass things we’d ever seen
Huh, honestly thought that was starscream
Yeah, the only movie where Decepticons were actually capable and terrifying, they just became punching bags afterwards...
@@lukasweiss4462chicago doesn't exist huh
@@astrowolvezsince when Starscream is a helicopter
@@JoelleCasanof Hundreds of Decepticons with warships and air support eventually got their asses handed to them by 9 Autobots and small US Army detachments. Decepticon soldiers were more easily disposed of than goons in John Wick. In TF1 you had equal numbers on both sides giving each other a hard fight
The series might just get worse from here on out, but something about the idea of Optimus Prime wielding Excalibur while riding a gigantic metal dragon and leading a siege on a flying alien fortress will never not sound like a stupidly amazing idea.
Ikr😂
And bay somehow manages to not do it
The series has a lot of sweet ideas but somehow Bay manages to either fuck it up or not do it at all. He had the Dinobots on screen and they were window dressing in the fifth movie. That's just insulting.
Sounds like something I'd come up with in my head and that's no place to be
"sound like" Yes, but existence is only pain.
You nailed the feeling of seeing a transformer on the big screen for the first time. When everyone started shooting, and it did nothing, and this chopper is turning into a death machine, I lost it.
Oh yeah, when they hade to break out the AC130 and "bring the rain" just to leave a mark on the fucker, i was like "how tf are they gonna beat these things?"
@@michaellorah9051 Cut to the fourth film where transformers are taken down with assault rifles.
@@kaelkirkby9191 bruh... don’t remind me it hurts
I pretty sure at that point they probably had cybertronian tech to help out or something, but I agree they from hard to kill to easily dispatch by humans
@@kaelkirkby9191 Don't even need to cut to the 4th film for that; Blackout was killed by Lennox doing a cool slide with his gun out. Apparently nobody at SOCCENT thought to use their underslung grenade launcher in the first act.
"I feel like a fucking fruit cake saying that, Mike." Probably the most honest thing that Shia LaBeouf has ever said.
I laughed so so hard when that bit appeared
He was so tired of the franchise even in the first movie 😂😂😂
In older Australian English fruit cake is a derogatory term for “gay” or the worse one “f-g” lol
Wanna timestamp it for the boys and girls?
@@xXDuckGamesXx It's the same in American English. What's your point.
Say what you want, but all of the CGI in every Bay Transformers film is mind blowing. The Battle of Chicago is like a vision of a 1930s Italian futurist.
Filippo Tommaso Marinetti? 😂
What…
it's awesome as fuck and I'm tired of being forced to say otherwise
@@rcpwProductions I am directly under the enemy scrotum.
Such amazing dialogue and character building.
the dialogue is rubbish but the cgi scrotum looks awesome as hell
Obligatory note that the whole "Energon is booze" thing was one specific case of energon being made out of something unusual. Normally it is just regular fuel, like water to them.
Nope. I refuse to believe the million year civil war that destroyed a planet didn't start over a lack of alcohol.
or in other words you need to put in the effort like turning grapes to wine
"Ahhh those were the good ol' day's, back on Cybertron, didn't have ta,...sneak around in these..,.ugly Earth disguise's!"
Wasn’t it because the autobots poisoned it so they could knock them out?
**hic** oOuUaH ThIs-a gOoD
The Battle for Mission City was the first time in like twenty years that someone panicked at Starscream's entrance and it was completely justified.
The whole, "steal Earth's energy" thing... If this space faring race had realized that they could just set up solar panels around a star, It would have blown their Primus-damned minds.
well I think energon is made differently then in the cartoon since it's no longer just condensed energy I think the star harvester does something special to make the star an energon mine but that's just a theory a prime theroy
you would need tons on solar panel just to fill up 50 energon beers made by MEGATRON
@@mr.breadman4181 In the original cartoon, they can use any energy to make Energon. Nuclear power and fossil fuels like oil are shown, but the Autobots also use hydroelectric power in the 80's movie. The Star Harvester is a Bayverse thing.
It requires energy to fly to the sun and cover it in solar panels whilst also not melting
In the movie comics cybertron didn't have a sun unless I'm mistaken.
As a kid who never knew transformers existed until i saw the first movie,
The Raid on the Airbase with Blackout LITERALLY gave me the strength to watch all the films to find that same vibe
That first transformation... I was hooked. The animation, the sound design, the camera work. I honestly think it's one of the best moments in cinema, and what comes directly after with the utter devastation and mercilessness of it all just kept adding to it.
This movie has many scenes like it, but non of them can top the first one, the reveal. I'm getting chills again haha
Bro same.
The menacing dread the Decepticons had in the first movie is something many recent movies fail to do, making the villains actually threatening. The decision to make the Decepticons actually destructive instead of the dumbasses they were in G1 was the best they could’ve gone with in my opinion. The Blackout introduction really did this the best. Sucks that they were done absolutely terrible and made jokes in the following movies.
Dude if the rest of the Movie had that scene's vibe
@@Anton-qc1fk theres good reason that the story that Transformers Prime and Transformers War for Cybertron both tell are heavily based on Michael Bay's Transformers, and not IDW Comics or Armata. while Armada has the objective best version of Starscream and the most interesting dynamic between Megatron and Optimus, Bay has the most dynamic backstory in his version of the universe and the characters, barring bumblebee who is actually Rodimus/hotshot that allows it to be refined again and again.
Glad to see someone bring that up about Bay films, the effects were done practically if possible and he has a great record of safety on set even though many of the stunts are dangerous. For as bad as he is and was at writing and comedy he's as good at practical effects and filming action scenes. Idk why he hasn't just been brought on sets for action and have another director for plot and writing.
Imagine pairing him with someone who knows how to write like...
Huh... Real life films don't have many of those. Maybe one of the wachowski sisters? But they're pretty good with action themselves and I'd argue they're one of the few who did CGI right in it's early days (referring to speed racer not matrix)
You don't need a director for plot and writing... That's the screenwriter's job. Give Michael Bay a well written screenplay and he will give us an action movie masterpiece.
The guy has reportedly a massive ego. He probably insisted on it. John Turturro went on record saying he based his portrayal of Simmons on how Bay behaved on set, which gives us a rough idea on what he's like.
@@Donnerbalken28 For real? That's amazing.
Ego
14:35
I like the idea that Autobots drove civilian/sports cars while Decepticans were all war /authority type.
I mean pre war most autobots were civilians/scientists. Not sure about in bays version tho.
It was the same in G1 too, for the most part at least. Optimus Prime was surrounded by VW beetles, ambulances, and police cars while Megatron himself was a gun surrounded by fighter jets
Can we all agree that that 2007 CGI still holds up to this day?
It doesn't hold up today.
It exceeds many expectations.
It doesn't hold up.
100% dude, I don't know what these dumb dumbs replied to you but I think the CGI absolutely holds up. I have analysed CGI in movies for quite some time and this movie somehow just hits right, all the transformers feel like actual glistening objects in the shot. Of course some incredible on set magic and really understanding what to do in the shot to make the CGI merge together with the live action footage. Really great visuals and overall an awesome movie
@human3213 how does it feel to be objectively wrong
@@ischwhit6747 What? Buddy you're confusing. You were saying the CGI in Transformers 2007 holds up and I was agreeing with you and now you hit me with a "err you're wrong" like what do you want?
While I agree with the criticism that the Bayformers designs are hard to look at sometimes, I do appreciate that they have a wide variety of basic shapes and silhouettes. They don’t all share the same basic block robot body like the original cartoons.
I kinda like some of the new designs to be honest. And the blocky transformers look like go bots
And I mean, this inspired Jeff Kline to make one of my favorite shows of all time, Transformers Prime.
Yeah but I wish the decepticons looked more like there original designs at least a little bit there basically unrecognizable (except like shockwave but that's just because the kept his one eye)
I'm fine with the Autobots, Megatron, and Starscream, but the rest of the Decepticons are very similar and don't have personality to their looks.
Honestly I like how the Bumblebee movie handled it, streamlining bay designs and updating G1 designs to hit that sweet spot middle ground. My biggest complaint about the designs was that the overcomplexity probably limited cast size and lead to us seeing a lot of reused designs in the sequels.
This movie really works as a standalone if you ignore the other 4 completely, mostly because it feels so disconnected from the rest of them.
Revenge of the Fallen was meh but still had some cool concepts and great fight scenes ( ie Optimus Prime vs Megatron and his goons in the forest) and Dark of the Moon well I mean Optimus wrecking shit, that worm thing, and race cars with machine guns. Oh and that whole wing suit thing and sliding on the collapsing skyscraper.
Fr, this one felt like it had so much potential for an interesting story and sequels to follow, but... Well, just look at the sequels.
That scene when they call in the A-10's to provide air support is to me is one of the best modern military reaction scenes ever made.
It very much is.
These scenes still reignite the 9 year old in me. It’s just so over the top and ham fisted military hardware porn that I just can’t help but smile at it.
There's one huge inaccuracy shown about the A-10s, though: In the film, they actually hit their target lol
@@cynicat74. Why? Are you saying a-10's miss their targets a lot in other movies?
@@FOAB-Carlos The main rotary cannon of the A-10 is extremely inaccurate, and often gives too wide of a berth when firing. The pilots don't have any proper sensors for detecting land foes, either, so they mostly have to look out of their cockpit, furthering hindering how accurate they can be.
Dark of the Moon will always stand as my favorite of the Bayformers movies. Mostly because Michael Bay was given the entire city of Chicago to use as a giant sandbox.
Lol, poor Chicago
Same and also that he shot that film in 3D, so he needed to slow down on his style wish resulted in some beautiful longer shots.
I’d probably be dead in that universe
Eh, for Chicago that’s a holiday.
Chicago: please film in our city
Bay: boomtown
The first Transformers is a fricken masterpiece. That is 100% nostalgia talking too, but I don't care.
Yeah but the 3rd one was better
@@222xani yep
It's OK to have shit taste
@@222xani Out of the three, the second one really underwhelms
1 and 3 are the only ones that exist to me
Something I both love about the first film, and the cartoon that ran alongside it, Transformers Animated, is that the Decepticons felt like _threats._ They weren't punching bags, when one showed up it was a big deal, and the fight in Mission City encapsulates the feeling of actual teamwork and strategy (the part where Brawl is getting hammered by Jazz, Ironhide and Ratchet comes to mind). If it was a one on one fight, unless if the two characters were extremely comparable in weight class, one would be getting decimated by the other, as seen in Prime vs Megatron's fight. I much prefered that approach where they were on the backfoot over the extreme hand to hand fighting always going in the Autobots favor as seen in the later films and other Transformers series also, even if quite a few of these fight sequences were cool.
Jazz didn't have the most character, but Megatron just ripped him in half with barely any effort. It emphasized hard just how outgunned our heroes were and why Megatron returning was a nightmare scenario.
That's how you do a villain.
And then they make him in transformers 5 BEG for his allies to be freed from jail
From all thing they had done, wizards and this particular scene is the worst of all
@@3takoyakis not even as far as 5; Megatron gets bodied at the end of both 2 and 3 by Optimus basically having a perpetual psychotic breakdown. Optimus is now just putting in the effort to properly fight his ultimate nemesis that's probably slaughtered countless people?
Don’t forget transformers prime. That show probably had the best characterization for the decepticons.
Out of all the Michael Bay Transformers franchise, this first film is the only one that feels like it has a sense of purpose and magic. It’s the only one I, ever few years, think about rewatching. It might be a basic story and all, but the effects and characters really stick the landing. It was also my first impression of Transformers, as I knew they existed, but never watched it when I was a kid. Besides the pictures and short clips on CZcams, these iterations are the ones I had. Thank god, I like the bumble aesthetic more than I like these past the first film.
I know, it somehow doesn't feel like a whore watching it like the other four. It has a beginning, middle and end, and ties everything up at the end with little bullshit. The soundtrack was beautiful, and the Arrival scene was amazing.
@@kira-dk2mx
I mean the second one had a lot of cringy scenes and lines but still cool over the top action the forest fight when Optimus takes on 3 decepticons one 3 times his size yelling “I’ll take you all on” hype af. Transformers 3 the first part just dumb but goddamn the action at the end is peak Hollywood.
@@kira-dk2mx liking just because of the "whore" part.
Honestly I loved the designs for Optimus and Bumblebee, I see why long time fans were upset but 8 year old me was so hype seeing Optimus with flames. The designs were probably one of the only redeemable aspects in my opinion
Fuck that g1 designs aren't as bad ass at least them made people actually want to drive the cars they turned into
We also gotta think about time periods.
I don't think a mainstream (as in, people who aren't blatant Transformers fans) audience would be too invested in the G1-esque designs at that time period.
That was still in the 2000s, and back then everything had to be cool. And I know people by the dozens who would have been ignorant enough to just not watch Transformers due to those designs. You really had to pull the wool over people's eyes to get them to do things.
Bumblebee made it work thanks to better technology andnactually combining G1 designs with Bay designs to make a new, but still familiar aesthetic.
On another note, Bumblebee itself mainly really works because Bay's Transformers "didn't work." This is a bit of a side rant, but while I understand people not liking Bayformers, I can't lie to people and say that those movies didn't do their job.
The Bayverse did its job. And honestly, for a Transformers movie, I really don't expect much beyond cool fights and explosions and scenes like the forest battle of RotF and many scenes in Dark of the Moon deliver that kind of action.
Though I am looking forwards to the new Transformers movies going on, with the loss of Michael Bay as director, a lot of the action probably isn't going to hit as hard.
And while one can say, "We'll get better stories," if I'm being honest, this is Transformers, and despite having good stories in various TV shows and comics, I doubt a moving story is gonna happen when selling toys is the main motive. Bumblebee's story was okay, but it's in a situation where it's similar to movies like a Monster Truck or E.T. in regards to premise with not as much action for a payoff.
It's not bad, but it's not great either. I do appreciate the designs, however.
The flames were due to the toy guys wanting a fire and ice theme with him and Megatron.
I think the flames were really cool too. It helped I saw the movie from a car enthusiasts point-of-view and loved the vehicles they used for the Autobots. Really got me to notice and appreciate tricked-out Semi's
I still hate bumblebees baby pacifier-looking mouth. I assume it's just so they don't have to animate his mouth going through different accents and tones, but it still looks dumb. Just give him a faceplate or something
I’ll never forget being 10 years old going to the theater and watching Blackout just rip through that military base and being in absolute awe. I had never seen special effects like that or experienced anything like it before.
this. i remember when my brother came to my room and told me he saw a trailer for a transformer movie. I was like, "are they going to look like megazords?" because i hadnt even imagined cgi could make real looking transformers yet. Then after i saw the movie, and researching the sheet amoount of work put into the models, it got me interested in 3d modeling.
Yeah that moment made me pursue my career in visual effects
When we went to the theater and I was around 12, I was already very much familiar with Transformers and their old designs (I was a huge fan of the OG, Beast Wars and Armada), so seeing Blackout just go complete fucking ape mode on the military literally stopped me from blinking for the duration of that whole sequence.
I haven’t seen effects like it since tbh...
And after
Transformers in 2007: what a mindless soulless corporate cash grab.
Transformers now: Whoa, they crashed a REAL car and it made a REAL explosion with REAL fire?
Funny how the times change. I honestly find it shocking how people saw this schlocky garbage despite how compelling and great the plot and moments are
To this day, the Autobots’ Arrival to Earth scene/soundtrack _STILL_ gives me goosebumps! 🤩
You know how people gave Bay so much grief about his explosions?
In a land riddled with CGI fights where, let's be honest, it's nothing *but* CGI, I gotta tell you guys, I kinda miss it.
Robot designs looked badass, fight scenes were awesome, and literally every villain (especially lockdown) had the most terrifying presence, might just be my opinion but if you prefer the “bumblebee” movie over that, your crazy
@@byohen1752 imo DOTM is better than bumblebee
@@kingslayerx1716 the entire bay movies is better then bumble bee imo
Mad max was really a perfect film, and stands out so starkly against almost every blockbuster film before and after in that respect.
@@byohen1752 how is the fallen terrifying, he doesn't fight anyone but ancient humans with sticks and some human jets before being slaughtered by optimus
The soundtracks for all of these, by Steve Jablonsky, are outstanding, and honestly elevated the material. I can't imagine sitting through anything past the first movie without Jablonksy's sound propelling me. I still listen to the soundtracks all the time.
this dude wrote the gears of war trilogy music as well
On the surface level it sounds like your average Hollywood blockbuster generic action music, but there's a reason they brought back those amazing melodies in Rise of the Beasts, it's become iconic
“This is the only one out of the *5* movies that don’t suck”
*Thank god he laid off bumblebee*
I like bumblebee, it’s a fun ride
3 was pretty good too tbh
Bumblebee is not part of the Michael Bay continuity. It's a reboot
Michael bay didn't write bumble bee
michael bay didn't get the chance to make it a terrible film thats why
I loved the Transformers movies at least they didn't do the whole "Character's toy has been discontinued = kill off the characters" which kinda seems soulless
I hate to break it to you, but they killed off the old cast and replaced them with new bots in the 4th and 5th movies. And whoever survived just got a new redesign to sell their toys
@@FastforwardxD exactly
@@FastforwardxD one of many reasons why I hated 4 and 5 and like the og trilogy
@@FastforwardxD Petition to retcon Transformers 4 and 5.
@@blockocraft1920 yes, I comletely agree. They should've stuck with Evasion mode Optimus design and Black Bumblebee design for those movies and they should've just been about evading human hunters. Could've been a really suspenseful spinoff series
You think nostalgia is your ally? You merely adopted Transformers. I was born in the Michael Bay Transformers, molded by them. I didn't see the 80s cartoons until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but a baby show!
Yep this is it, I like g1 but it's hard to watch sometimes
Grew up with both and I like both. First Bayformers is still a solid film as an adult, and while G1 isn’t always the best in retrospect, I love the characters and world that was created as well as some of the unintentionally funny/corny moments.
There’s so much that could be done with this franchise and I wish that it received more love and better care.
I see what you did there
The G1 Transformers show is kind of messy at times but it's not that childish. I've watched more childish garbage than that, honestly.
This movie if you watched it as a kid, is simply mind melting. I remember watching the intro and pretty much every action scene after and was absolutely blown away by the effects and the sound design was absolutely incredible.
I could see the Autobots having more humanoid faces vs the Decepticons having alien features being explained as the Autobots trying to arrange their features to be a bit more “familiar” or hospitable to humans but end up falling short because… they’re not human. They’re just mimicking human features. Whereas the Decepticons wouldn’t give a fuck and either look like whatever they “naturally” look like, intentionally make themselves look more horrifying to terrify their human opposition, or perhaps even model themselves after other alien species in the galaxy.
Underrated take
I also like to think of it as the decepticons intentionally favoring more inhuman monstrous faces, much like how many cultures would use shields/masks with faces molded into them
I'm glad these movies are still being talked about, this was my childhood, just subbed👍
For a second I legitimately thought your username was implying that you ran a channel entirely devoted to conspiracy theories than trans people made XD.
I don’t know why it took me so long to make the *proper* connection to TRANSformers.
I loved these movies as a kid
Same i love and hate these movies haha I feel like transformers in general is neglected now of days in light of superheros and such, i hope transformers makes a come back i miss the days of transformers 07 and transformers prime, the excitement i got for each movie and episode , the cool toys, hell remember those cool transformers games the cybert4on ones even the movie ones were fun but cringe sometimes, man I hope this franchise goes through a huge revival
Bro I thought you were a channel about trans people for a sec lol
Despite the movies being bad, man the cgi for the transformer characters still holds up to day. Despite people hating the designs I love the alien cyborg aesthetic from 1-3 it’s is pretty unique compared to the humanoid characters we had in the other alterations of the franchise
Fortunately the Bumblebee movie showed us another way that Transformers can work. Let’s hope Rise of the Beasts can keep the franchise back on track.
I was looking for this comment, thank you. The original designs CAN be done well. And I don't buy the whole "lighting red is hard" BS. In "Bumblebee", wasn't one of the decepticons bright RED?
@@ChineduOpara 2007 compared to 2019 is a difference and you only see prime mostly at night
Yeah and the movie has been post pund to 2022 and now hasbro and paramount are fighting over rights for it
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Actually, it was postponed to 2023
@@ChineduOpara It's more of a problem with Michael Bay's style of color grading in 2007. It's very distinct and stylized, but it also exaggerates the color red _really_ hard, which looks great for small pops of colors like Megatron's red eyes for example, but anything big looks extremely garish and harsh.
But starting with _Dark of the Moon_ the series took on a took on a less exaggerated color grade, hence why we suddenly got Leadfoot, Dino, and Sentinel Prime (all bright red) in that movie
The practical sets and effects give this moving a charm that most modern blockbusters lack
*17:41** THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING*
_I really apreciate how gratefuk Bay was with his team & constantly praising his team & the fact that he recently pronounced against the use of AI & the inhuman VFX artist conditions, Only reinforce my Respect to the man_
Didn't he literally mock his effects crew in one of his recent movies?
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 ¿source?
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 You can look this up. "Michael Bay Ambulance VFX".
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 Search up "Michael Bay Ambulance VFX"
NGL, I think Transformers Prime took almost a perfect approach to the Decepticon Aesthetic that the movie sequels completely dropped the ball on.
The grey Cons hid their colors as their interiors (Starscream and Soundwave come to mind), Megatron’s polished iron felt intentionally minimalist as a pragmatic former-gladiator, the foot soldiers were stealthy black SUVs, Knockout’s bright red was integrated into his personality
They felt militaristic and intentional without losing their distinct colors and silhouettes
Vehicons weren’t “black SUVs,” they were purple Cadillac Ciels. You’re confusing them with the Dreads.
@@fduranthesee just looked them up and I realized I totally misremembered them lol, more like glossy black-purple
@@michaelsimpson1224 normal people go in dark purple and black sports cars know what ima sayin?
Yeah, Knockout and his obsession with having a shiny finish...but Megs in 'Prime'==yeah, not only did we have Frank Welker voicing him, but THIS Megs had virtually no weaknesses and could ramp up the threat without even raising his voice--as a veteran gladiator would be.
I wish Prime didn't run outta budget 😔
Every post Transformers (2007), pre Bumblebee (2018), even the TMNT (2014) reboot had the same problem: They sidelined the heroes, and made the films all about the human characters. I always hated that. If our heroes aren't the center, or at least the focus of their own movie, then what kind of movie are you even making? It's like if you made a Spider-Man film, titled it a Spider-Man film, marketed it as a Spider-Man film, but the whole film is about Mary Jane, and Peter only swings in when it's time to save the day. Does that make for a good movie? Probably not. Does it make for a good Spider-Man movie? Definitely not.
I remember, long before even the 2007 movie came out, discussions about how this movie will look. Some people were sceptic, saying that TF2007 is going to be a story about a boy, who gets a girlfriend, and it happens to have a fighting robots by the way. Who knew that story of Bayfromers could be even worse and more convulted with every entry.
I've had the same problem with some live action movies, I was watching sonic with my little brother and I was like why is it showing the human characters idgaf about them I'm here for sonic. Glad I'm not the only one who find this trope annoying
@@personwitharat9039 Really? I felt Sonic was clearly the Focus in that Film.
@@personwitharat9039 nah sonic was pretty important. At least more than the ones we’re talking about. Like sonic had an arc and did more than show up to fight. The entire opening of the movie was about Sonic having to leave his home.
Bumblebee wasn’t exactly better. Yea they got rid of the unnecessary stuff and had the G1 designs, but the movie is boring. Bumblebee does nothing and the plot is focused mainly on the girl and her boyfriend. It tried to have PG comedy moments that were so stale it felt like a 00’s Disney movie. Bumblebee is a complete pussy and does nothing but hide and goof around. The only time he does something is in the opening and the ending. I feel like people only consider it better because it has G1 Optimus Prime
I think what’s really odd about the designs really only shows itself when you compare the Autobots and decepticons.
The Autobots look like humanoid robots with quite calming faces, but then the decepticons have these monstrous expressions n features. Which then reminds me: these factions are of the same species, so why does one look friendly and the other an abomination
@@Okbuddypal no shit
I kinda get it from a a marketing perspective. Maybe should have started to share the looks around a bit. But you know most of the faces starting getting weird.
The Decepticons go out of their way to look evil and terrifying to lord over the "insects" and flex their power. But ultimately the explanation is: they're evil and so they look evil. And god damn I'm glad they do!
They had to distinguish the two as the vfx of these characters were difficult and complex , optimus red flames design was not very visible due to the external light, if they hadn't differentiated them , it would have been just two factions of aliens being blobs just ramming fists onto each other and the franchise closing with 1 movie
“Why does one look friendly and the other an abomination?” To me, the reason is Autobots fighting for what’s right while the Decepticons have “fallen from grace”, in a way.
I'll never get tired of cool transformations, even realistic ones.
So it was a visual treat for me.
Man, if Michael Bay was putting a certain kind of energy into these films, then God have mercy on us if he finds _Azur Lane._
You fool you have cursed us all
Boobs? check Robots? check(?) Explosions? check Nonsensical plot nobody-cares-about? check
@@reco5able "A mans curse is a blessing for another one"
Or he somehow manage to get permission to cross it with the 'Brave' Super robot series
No please
I don't want Hollywood discovering my gacha gems
I will forever defend the 2007 film. It's got stupid jokes, and debatable designs, but in terms of introducing the Transformers, the storyline is perfect.
Like you said, the movie emphasizes how they're "robots in disguise". The movie doesn't start on Cybertron. It starts on earth, in the perspective of the humans. A familiar perspective. As for the Transformers themselves, we hardly even see them as characters until halfway through. And that's good. It makes them mysterious for the first half. They're hiding everywhere.
As for the rest of the movie, I believe the only character that doesn't get named is Frenzy (and Brawl, kinda... but that's a complicated discussion). This all is the perfect setup for a series of movies following the Autobots themselves, with Sam maybe being in a subplot.
...unfortunately, that didn't happen. The human to Transformer ratio remained the same for the rest of the films for no reason regarding the actual story. The Transformers aren't kaiju. They're characters too, that can hold their own story. The "disaster movie" aspect of Bay's Transformers that you mentioned really dampened the rest of the series.
Good video.
the 2007 movie is unironically my favorite singular film of all time (my favorite film series is the Hobbit movies), its what got me into rock music and Transformers and helped shape my entire childhood personality
@@_Devil that's really sad
@@imeowmeowkat No it’s not
@@PoIarisPrime ok anime pfp
@@imeowmeowkat I’m not the one who has myself as a pfp
16:00 this whole red thing is true. It’s why Raimi’s spider man has such prominent spider webs. Because that breaks up the red
5:55 I paused when you brought up the fan forum page and I was honestly surprised at how positive the comments were. These absolute geeks were literally like "if it has robots that turn into cars I'll be stoked." Really makes you think about the current state of fan culture.
I'll admit, I really enjoyed transformers 3. That end battle in Chicago was something else for me when I was young.
DOTM*
The giant robot tendrils plowing through the skyscraper 😯
I did too
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD It's still the third transformers movie lol
That bit about red paint is actually really interesting and gives Optimus an excuse for his new design. Ironhide could have just been renamed Trailbreaker, who is an original season character who turned into a black Toyota hylux(aka a pickup truck). Would have been one less controversy
Or just tank the hit from the lighting getting fricked by the red.
Maybe a darker shade of red would have worked too, but I don't know jack shit about lighting so maybe it doesn't work that way.
@@DISTurbedwaffle918 They had red robots later on so that excuse doesn't hold up
. that ironhide design in red would've been hideous. That truck in general would've been hideous in any color other than black.
I also argue it’s bullshit seeing as Dino exists.
I’m not going to lie..I grew up watching this movie when it came on tv every now and again. And it was one of my favorite movies. And good god did that ending section hit like a truck because that’s exactly how I feel.
18:26 This movie is a perfect example of the difference between good/bad movies, and fun/boring movies. Transformers is FAR from perfect, and yet I still enjoy these movies. The biggest reason I can see for that, is simply that the people making these movies wanted to make a fun and exciting movie. There is energy and LIFE here that I just don't see in most current slop we get served on the big screen. Someone cared, and because of that I care.
The first Transformers movie blew my mind when I saw it as a 12 year old. It's still a good, fun movie to this day. The action and transformers are great, the writing isn't that annoying, and has a pure mid 00s vibe, before everything went downhill. Also the Linkin Park song at the end is really good
i remember hiding in my blanket when bumblebee went into a junkyard of cars or smth
the ‘00s vibe is what keeps bringing me back to it, its definitely a neat little time capsule.
Ary you talking about the one from the 80, or the crap one
@@spacedude30001 you’re the client every show business producer dreams to have, and basically the base template to destroy half the internet debates
I commend you
I agree
It helps that Steven Spielberg was involved in the production of the first one, and the whole "boy and his alien friend" comes from him than Michael Bay. Once he left it was all on Bay and you can see just how insane they turn without a storytelling person in the writing room. I have a bit of nostalgia for the 1st one since it was my last free summer before I got a job and Linkin Park in the soundtrack was cool, even if the albums were also hated by old TF fans who wouldn't shut the fuck up about wanting Stan Bush back along with other old 80's Dinosaur bands.
I was really defensive when it came to these movies Vs. Angry TF fans and Critics. But looking back I think it was mostly cause there wasn't a more spectacular scifi series until the MCU came into existence and showed the world that a action summer blockbuster could be more than just explosions, jock humor and the camera going up a Super model's ass.
I mean, the first movie was definitely all three of those things. You could replace Megan fox with a blowup doll (no offense to Megan fox, she seems like a very nice woman who was typecast as "hot bimbo" for years which sucks) and it wouldn't change much of anything
@@socksleeve
Let's face it, Meagan Fox was simply slotted into the story to encourage those Lads (and Lesbians with good taste) who either weren't TF fans, old enough to remember the originals, or simply sat firmly on the fence, into going to the cinema/buying the home media.
"Meh, it's robots beating the shit out of each other... But it's got Fox dressed in skintight jeans and crop-top bent double under the hood of a car... OK, I'm in."
Well that explains what happened after the first. I felt the first did a better job at world building and going quite all crazy as the later ones would be
The only good thing about transformers after Spielberg left is the CGI. Like holy shit the graphics matches that of a modern movie.
Even the worst of the MCU is still a masterpiece compared to Michael Bay’s Robot fan fiction, fetish films.
As someone whose first introduction to Transformers was this movie, and who moved on to watch multiple of the animated shows and even read a few of the comics, I have to say that while a lot of this film is hard to watch nowadays (legit, I tried watching it drunk on my birthday and I barely got past the 1-hour mark before quitting), I’ve always enjoyed the action scenes and the attempt at setting the admittedly childish premise in a more realistic setting. The designs aren’t the prettiest, but I’ve always loved that they actually looked like their bodies could transform into actual vehicles, and even now, watching clips of the action/chase scenes, I’m impressed by their quality. I’d legitimately take this film over whatever new movie the MCU pumps out.
Is it a childish premise? It seems like standard sci-fi fare to me
Bay: Changes Optimus, Ironhide and Starscream to not be red because "it messes with the lighting & color grading"
Also Bay: makes Sentinel Prime fucking Red
To me Bayformers franchise is a good example of “This is what happens if the studio gives a director too much freedom of what he/she wants to do”. I think first one was fine because Paramount was like, “Hey, we’re gonna give you this amount of budget so that you can make a movie you want to make, but you have to make it under some of our rules and restrictions. Okay?” Then when the first film did well, Paramount was like, “You know, you made a lot of money at the box office. And because of that, we’re gonna let you do whatever you want! We’ll give you locations, sets and all the budgets you need! Now go crazy and make us some money!”
I might be stretching this, but just saying my opinion🤷♂️
It happens all the time. Look at Batman Returns (I like that movie, but it's obvious Tim Burton went crazy), or look at Wonder Woman 1984...
it also doesn't help that by the 2nd movie there were writer's strikes so it made the script extra bad and by the 4th and 5th movies Bay didn't want to be a part of it at all but finally caved after enough pushing from the studio
That's exactly what happened, this is why Bay should never have full creative control over ANYTHING!
The shift from Cybertron/Galaxy Force to the Bayformers is probably one of the weirdest moments in the franchise in retrospect. From kid friendly anime to american rough "humor".
Ahhhh. A Fellow Cybertron series fan. Also, yeah. That was weird. But I still loved it
I didn't even know who Peter Cullen was when I saw Transformers 2007. Gary Chalk is my Optimus.
1:31 His existance is only pain and his presence in this world upsets me greatly
Relatable
13:00 Ahhh so we all agree that Starscream is the best character!
I can't hate Bayformers one. I went to see it with a little boy who loved transformers and was slowly dying and eventually didn't even make his mid teens. It brightened up his day, and I'm eternally grateful for that.
I feel like with all the negativity in film criticism, you did what many creators don’t do.
give credit where its due.
10:16 here’s the difference between a good film and a bad film. I absolutely still remember that his name is Sam Witwiki, and I haven’t even seen the movie in like ten years.
I do kind of have a soft spot for those cliched elements in certain action films where the military empties endless rounds of small arms fire at something that it will clearly have no effect upon (7:12). My all time favourite example of this is in Predator where an 'elite' special forces unit unload all their ammunition at a target only one of them glancingly saw, basically just strafing a forest with hundreds of rounds at no target. They get further points because they are behind enemy lines on a stealth mission with limited ammunition and an incredibly impractical mini-gun.
In this film, it's suppressive fire. The smaller, faster weapons keep unloading on him to keep him down, while the slower, but far heavier guns start bombarding down at him.
That scene in Predator is fucking ridiculous, though, as amazing as that film is. How many special forces do you know of that carry miniguns? lol
@@cynicat74 Pardon my necro but if you don't mind my saying, that's kinda the point. You wanna know the reason why the "shoot into the jungle" scene was in the movie? It's cause when they were making the movie the studio demanded more gun stuff so they added a scene where the guns do NOTHING. Also if you wanna get technical and Doylist about it the reason Blaine has a minigun is cause when the Predator kills him first it establishes that it doesn't matter how heavy your firepower is, the Predator will still make you look wimpy by comparison.
@@trevholmes186 The problem is that it doesn't really come across, because the gun usage in Predator is pretty awful. Nobody ever aims, they always fire from the hip, they seem to spray and pray, etc. So, it doesn't really stand out as being anything unusual. Predator is one of my absolute favourite films, so this is a nitpick, but still.
I didn't know about the studio complaining about the lack of action, though, admittedly. I always considered Predator to be one of the most action-packed horror films, so that's rather surprising lol
I still think "Transformers: Dark of the Moon" is the best film in the franchise. It had fewer dumb jokes, a good plot, and a great villain performance by Leonard Nimoy.
You're trippinn. DOTM is garbage. Who did they think they were fooling with the fake-out deaths?? Ofc they weren't going to kill off all the Autobots...
@@Utonian21 uhh me? I cried in the theater when they were about to kill bumble bee. Those films werent for you, they were young boys
@@barkley8285 “not for you” isn’t the best excuse for bad written. Its a valid concern but if you literally have to have no sense of retention and be more naive to not hate the movie, it’s probably not the best movie. Maybe an okay movie, but definitely not one with “good” plot. Tons of movies aimed at children have had amazing writing and plots for anyone (megamind; kung fu panda (like any of them); shrek; the incredibles (still better than the more “adult” fantastic four movies). Saying something is for kids or adults has no basis on whether its actually “well written”. If all kids movie wants to do is sell to kids then it can be successful doing just that, but if you can’t at least watch it from a perspective of someone slightly more intelligent (kids aren’t that stupid) then doesn’t have a “good plot”.
@@Utonian21 obviously they weren’t going to kill them all, but the space shuttle explosion shows us what happens when the Autobots aren’t there to protect humans: Chicago gets fuckin nuked by Decepticons and all the humans get murdered. This addresses the point that comes up quite a bit in these movies “do we still need the Autobots on earth?” and the answer is yes. Too bad the government is too dumb to understand that in AOE and TLK
@@Devo57 Exactly, the Autobots had already saved the world twice at that point, but yet they're still getting treated like the bad guys while the government trusts and makes a deal with the actual bad guys, leading to what happens to Chicago... It just pisses me off because it was almost completely avoidable.
There's so much unnecessary death in the Bay films, the total death toll is in the 10s of thousands by the final film. I get it, if earth got caught in the middle of a war between giant alien robots, some mofos getting bodied would be an unfortunate reality. But like I said, so much of the death in those movies was avoidable
I still believe Dark of The Moon is incredibly misunderstood and awesome. That's all I wanted to say.
What's not to get
Definitely a guilty pleasure for me.
Agree
I just feel like the whole human mistrusting Autobot situation is just so dumb, and they actually sent out their only line of defense against the Decepticons. Like how stupid can you get? Also Optimus straight up commits War Crimes and everyone's ok.
Yes yes i just can understand what is it about that movie i like much
16:31 finally some appreciation for my boy
"And his presence in this world, upsets me greatly" my favourite line
I get what you're trying to say with "each one is worse than the last", but we can all at least agree that Dark of the Moon was way better than Revenge of the Fallen, right?
Like, I actually thought that the franchise was either finishing strong or back on the upswing before Age of Extinction came out.
Agreed
I think it would’ve been a perfect place to end the trilogy, and what followed should’ve been a full reboot instead of the dumpster fires that were AOE and TLK
Truly.
👍
It’s the best in general
The transformers series is a gigantic example of dumb fun and epic battles. And for a 10-year-old that was it. I still love the bay transformers and I will continue to love them and I hope you person give it chance and have fun with it.
The movies are like that sure, but they are pale imitations of the absolute insanity that is the shows. G1 has unironically amazing writing. The characters are iconic, truly. Like Starscream is so untrustworthy that he made a deal with Satan and *betrayed Satan*. All the the "serious and cool" themes you could find in Bayformers were done in G1 years before and done better, way better.
What makes G1 so perfect though is that aside from the actually amazing writing, it is still a complete mess of absurdity and silliness. Shit happens completely inexplicably, while also somehow making perfect sense. When you watch the show you stop going "why the fuck are they somehow talking to King Arthur" and instead start going "oh, shit. Another time travel episode? Cool". The character arcs are these insane but absolutely legendary materpieces. Megatron is such a defined and well represented character that you never doubt him. He can live up to any of his promises, he truly feels like the character we're told he is. When he becomes Galavatron, he somehow becomes a completely different character while remaining the same. He doubles his power at the cost of losing his mind. He's no longer a careful plotter, but now someone so deadly they can afford to simply fight at their whim. Same character, same motive, but a completely different personality.
That dichotomy of actually well written story and absurdity makes the show glorious. For me, it's the concept of Transformers represented perfectly.
Yeah that was me too, I don’t care what anybody says, the original three transformer films were dope to my little self and I could 100% rewatch them and still enjoy them
LEFT CHEEK LEFT CHEEK
Nah I already give all 5 of 'em a chance.
Transformers 1 & 2 is super great imo because I literally rewatched them 3 to 4 times.
3 is pretty OK-ish (the battle scenes are the only reason I watched the movie lol.)
4 & 5 are downright mehhhhhh...... (I watched them once & never rewatching them since then)
Despite how bad these movies are. I’ve got so much nostalgia for them. They were part of my introduction to the franchise. And to this day I say 1 and 3 are still freaking awesome. Funny how CGI from 07 still holds up better then anything in 2023
I thought that the Sam is dead bit at the end was just a joke
Then the Last Knight video came out
Rip Sam Witwiccan Witwickey, he never scored
I like the part where optimus prime skins a guys face after screaming "GIVE ME YOUR FACE AHHHHHH". Another highlight would be him murdering a defenseless guy who was his friend 20 minutes before by blowing his robot brains out from behind and murdering Megatron while he tried to make a truce.
i think it was realistic you can't put a decepticon like that behind bars he is gonna escape and kill more people in the end.
Except Sentinel was LITERALLY JUST ABOUT TO KILL HIM. AND MEGATRON JUST GENOCIDED CHICAGO! They both deserved to die. FUCK OFF with this bullshit interpretation
@@ramjet94 "Thats what you get for trying to save your planet bitch, eat my lead boy" Optimus was a monster and a blaggard.
I don't remember his characterisation ever being quite so opposed to that in the bay movies. I think his nobility stopped at humanity.
@@TemplarWarden He came across as a complete psychopath in the later movies. Can you imagine seeing someone ripping another mans spine out with his bare hands, then having a civil conversation with you after? I'd think he was a fucking nutter on drugs or something.
Bruh, Cody doesn't know about the Unicron trilogy, and he's older than I am.
Though in this case, it might be a blessing he never saw Energon.
Ah Energon, just like my first intimate partner: Fun at the time and kind of nostalgic, but abhorrently cringe and embarrassing in hindsight
Energon had the potential to be awesome but the execution was abysmal. I still rewatch it from time to time though because it was the first Transformers series I saw.
@@flacsa636 You should rewatch it with the Japanese dub. It actually improves the quality somehow, and Kicker has more character. Energon makes more sense when you watch it through the lense of anime expectations.
Tbh, the designs are still my favorite part of the Bay movies. I genuinely love the more organic/alien appearances of them, especially the Decepticons. They don’t beat the classic or the Transformers Prime designs, but I still like them a lot.
1:11 I got to admit, this bit in the film gets me everytime 😂
Idc what anyone says, the three transformers movies were so important to me as a kid and I loved them dearly. I feel like if I watched them now I’d still adore them. So much nostalgia and a word charm to these movies.
I totally agree. Each movie had some awesome new characters and interesting settings. I love the SR-71 autobot a lot from revenge of the fallen.
Their comedy is golden when you come back to them when you’re grown up
@@thatoneguy3590 No, what are you 12?
@@thatoneguy3590 Definitely, at least once you finally understood the jokes.
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_"With the All Spark gone, we cannot return to our home planet. And fate has yielded its reward: A new world called home. We are living among its people now, hiding from plain sight, but watching over them in secret, waiting, protecting. I have witnessed their capacity for courage, and though we are worlds apart, like us, there's more than meets the eye. I am Optimus Prime, and I send this message to my surviving Autobot taking refuge among the stars. We are here. We are waiting."_
WHAAAAAT
IIIIIV'E
@@d.b.4671 DOOOOOOOOOOOONEEEE
Back when this movie came out, i absolutely loved every second of it. I was 11 at the time and very casually watch transformers at that point (the oldest series i had watched was Beast Wars by that point) but thought this was the coolest movie ever and fully cemented my love for the franchise.
god, this movie was released during the rage comic era.
feel like i just aged a decade after realizing that.
The difference between the 1986 movie and the 2007 movie is that the 1986 movie requires and expects you to have the context of the first two seasons of The Transformers, while the 2007 movie has to explain itself and its context while advancing the plot in a fluid and natural manner, meaning it takes less time to advance the plot, and more time to explain what happened before, and they did try to do so by having Prime explain stuff to Sam, and having Sector Seven explain how they got the Allspark and Megatron, and how the pair got to Earth.
I wish that they'd made more decepticons with non militaristic alt-modes. In IDW's All Hail Megatron comics they were a bit creative with it. For example, Astrotrain uses his alt-mode to go into the subway tunnels and kill the people hiding out in the stations. At first when he's approaching, the people think its a subway that's coming to rescue them but nope.
Tbh those comics felt more like a disaster movie type story than Transformers 2007. Humanity's situation felt genuinely hopeless and it was kinda dark. I thought they were pretty good and I'd recommend them.
decepticons having militaristic alt-modes makes sense though. Of course they'd pick the vehicles with heavy weaponry where the autobots are content with disguising as normal cars. That being said they probably would've done more non military modes if they didn't use such a small cast
Plus the decepticons were mostly warriors, so it would be understandable that the alt-modes are military vehicles.
@@aweirdredtoad3637 Autobots are Police, Deceptions are Soldiers
@@chinsaw2727 There are Autobot police, but the majority aren't police. Which is why most of them aren't particularly warriors, and just a rag tag crew of different hobbies.
17:31 I'm sorry, are those the credits for Prometheus/Alien Covenant?! Because that's hilarious.
Hope you cover those someday, you'd knock it out of the park.
I saw this movie in theaters when I was 4 years old. It was not a perfect movie, nor was it aspiring to be such a thing, but the image of Blackout transforming to lay waste to a military base as effortlessly as taking baby steps is something I will never forget. I like the Bay films because Michael Bay cares a lot more about making "brain turn off" bargain bin movies than anything deep or attempting to push a message. Sure, there are some films that leave a lot to be desired, and even I felt the last few movies were missing what made the first tick, but at least I could enjoy the spectacle. In fact, It was that first experience in the theater that has shaped my imagination ever since. That and every Battlefield trailer since BF1.
Bay's Transformers introduced me to Linkin Park, technically kickstarting my teenage years... nto sure if I should be thankful for that or not, but... impact is definitely something these flicks had.
Also, 13-year-old me enjoyed movie 2, fight me.
Well yeah it was dumb fun my family says it's best but they're causel fans and don't know better and the forst battle and optimus getting a jetpack are the best parts of the movie
I would say I'm mixed towards the franchise
I loved the first one, and still do (I was 7 at the time, and it got me into Transformers. Which I, ultimately, think was it's greatest achievement)
Thought the 2nd one was okay, liked the 3rd.
I thought Age of Extinction started *really* strong, but got shitty after the first act. And The Last Knight was awful.
Bumblebee was great!
Wow that's quite literally my exact situation. I was 7 when the first one came out, big fan of the original trilogy. I agree that the first act of the 4th one was awesome, but after optimus gets his new truck mode it all started going downhill. The 5th one left me feeling empty on the inside
I can not imagine bothering to see 5 after 4. I did a marathon when I was sick this year, starting with Bumblebee, then rewatching the Sam trilogy and while Bumblebee was definitely a solid film, and I found some new appreciation for Dark of the Moon, I wish I stopped there. Age of Extinction was such a dull, dragged out clusterfuck that I actually wish I had never seen or at least stopped halfway in. I think that's the only movie I felt this way about and I'm pretty sure it wasn't because of covid. It's amazing that the next one could be somehow worse.
I think the 7/10 the movie has on IMDB is very much earned. Its a good movie, but not a great one, and its not a horrible one either. I will gladly agree with everyone when they say that everything from RoTF to TLK was lackluster at the absolute best, but I will forever defend the 2007 Transformers movie to my grave. Its so 2007 it almost hurts. Whenever I need that dose of Nostalgia with action entertainment, I know Transformers (2007) will be there for me to enjoy it. I still get chills in certain parts of the movie to this day, 15 years after I first saw it lmao. Its definitely a solid 7/10 and I do recommend it to anyone who wants a non-superhero action flick with odd sexual tension mixed in for literally no reason.
Blackouts intro scene and Optimus first transformation I think is equal to the first time seeing the T. rex in Jurassic atleast in special effects wise. I’ll never forgot literally going holy shit that looks fucking good
9:54 lmaoooo “.. I feel like a FRUITcake saying that Mike.”
Where has this been all my life.
Personally my first introduction to Transformers was the Armada, Energon, and Cybertron cartoons, which all took themselves a fair bit more seriously than the 80s Transformers, so when I saw the movie it just felt dumb live-action version of the 2000s cartoons.
Also I'm surprised to hear that Optimus's original live-action design was so disliked. Personally I thought it was awesome.
I disagree with the fact that the deceptions look distinct as I could literally never tell who was who the moment any two transformers made contact. Never had a problem with the flames though the paint bit is interesting
Transformers 2007 is 10/10.
As someone who grew up with Armada & Cybertron it came in perfect time and delivered more than I could ever ask for.
couldn't agree more.
Armada,Energon and Cybertron were my jams.
Minicons, Energons, ForceChips/CyberKeys are the mcguffins
@@WingMaster562 bro I still remember when Starscream got his minicon. Turned him into an area-denial weapon XD
@@MrJakeros And Swindle (that same minicon) mourned for him
Also remember that every minicon liked Starscream? He even shower-healed together with the StarSaber minicons
@@WingMaster562 Starscream in Armada was chill, man.
damn if Transformers just had an A24 logo at the start all of these sheeple would have seen it for the art it truly is.
The hell you talking about?
I remember going along to see these movies just because I had a roommate ten years my senior who grew up with this franchise and so it held a special place for him. Surprisingly, he didn't absolutely hate these movies, even as we went further into the madness. He didn't particularly like them, but he kept showing up despite knowing full well that Bay was crap at substance and fidelity. Said roommate also grew up on comic books, so in the same stretch of time, I went along for the Marvel movies, and some of the DCEU films.
What stands out to me the most is that of all the movies we went to watch during the ten years we lived together, no film brought him greater joy than Pacific Rim. In much the same vein, he naturally grew up with a love of giant robots and giant monsters. So the one movie that was based on a childhood love but was otherwise an entirely new IP wound up touching him the most.
I think that speaks volume. Hollywood should stop putting so much focus on established IPs and should instead look into nebulous ideas people grew up with but never actually got to see in full action. Pacific Rim may not have been the first Giant Robot Mecha vs Giant Alien Monster story, but it was the first real Hollywood film to do so. There's an untapped potential for Hollywood to just explore concepts and themes never before done just based on random shit we all grew up on.
Being an 80's Kid Transformers Fan I was honestly just happy to see them on the Big Screen. While yes I did not like the new looks, I saw it as an opportunity to bring in new Fans. You proved that my hopes for this Film came to pass. Not only did you become a Fan because of this, you also became a Fan of what came before. I may not be happy about most of the Films that came after, I am so happy this one was made. It breathed new life into Transformers and brought in new Fans who have come to love the rest as well.
It was awkward seeing transformer movie and cartoon
The cartoon is blocky
Maybe it's more easily identified for each characters but I still prefer Michael bay model
@@3takoyakis You are not wrong in how they where very Blocky back then, but that was because the Toys were almost always just a Blocky, if not worse. In order for Kids to be able to pick out the Figure in the Store they had to keep that same look in the Show and Movie.
I have two big issues with the Bay versions.
1. He insisted they all looked like they could Transform into each form. To me this made it hard to make each one Stand Out in Robot Mode because almost all of them just turned into the same looking Robot, leaving primarily each ones Point Job being how you could pick each one out.
Speaking of Pain Job
2. Almost every Decepticon was just a Grey Blob of a Robot, making it almost impossible to tell who was who.
I know both of these issues were somewhat corrected later, but in order to keep things consistent they could never stray to far off from these two issues. Heck in the latest Movie Optimus Primal has this issue as he is just a Solid Black with maybe some Grey.
@@nobalkain624 Yeah i could say i barely able to differentiate each transformers lol. They rarely introduce each one of em too. Thats why i say the cartoon and reboot ver transformers could be identified better
Im just happy that bay made his adaptation. His story and lore maybe shitty asf but the transformers are hella cool.
@@3takoyakis Yeah I am still very happy he made them. If it had not been for the success of the Movies they might have just been left in the Dustbin of Forgotten IPs.
Now I really want to see Cody's take on My Little Pony. Would probably be the most insightful take on both the franchise and the fandom that we'll ever see.
As a MLP fan, I would *love* to see Cody shit talk one of my favorite franchises.
Please, don't. The Internet already had enough with a schiess meme spread by diet Nazis from the QuatreChan.
@@harveybeaver9731 Now THAT'S some edge. You sure you're not from /mlp/?
@@harveybeaver9731 You weren't even remotely in the ballpark of how to spell 'scheiße' right.
@@Calvin_Coolage No keyboard, no care.
As someone who has recently watched these movies out of curiosity, I was almost shocked by how well some of their aspects hold up. Sure, they're narratively empty, they have nothing interesting to say about politics or human relationships, they're pandering, they're long, they're noisy, they get worse with each installment, I don't plan on watching them again... But the special effects of the first trilogy are incredible and put a lot of modern blockbusters to shame, they have some good ideas and pay good attention to small details - at least for the first one. Oddly enough, my favorite scenes are the ones where humans are trying to fight and/or avoid Decepticons, and you can just feel how huge and threatening they are to normal people. They're not great movies, but they're solid "guilty pleasure" material.
As Transformers (2007) was also my first exposure to the IP, I thought it was awesome! It was a hallmark on high school band trips when we were stuck on a charter bus for hours at a time. The transformations and sound effects were great. Nowadays, it's easier to point out its flaws, yet I can't help but still have a soft spot for it.
Ngl, despite the Transformers plot being weak, it still felt like the strongest out of all the other Bay ones, even it was complimented by the amount of work put into this film. Also what was the music at 18:05?
I find Transformers 07 to be a guilty pleasure of sorts, where I love the ideas but the execution is, um, middling at best. I liked how they tried to build up the Transformers even in some of the earliest trailers (I even read the Ghosts of Yesterday novel beforehand and it was a legit good read). I liked how genuinely dangerous and intelligent they tried to make the Decepticons. I liked some of the different angles they went with to differentiate itself from prior versions (Beast Wars and the Japanese anime shows of the 2000s were my bread and butter). But wonky writing, questionable design choices that clashed with the ones that made sense, the inconsistent lore that made less and less sense, it just fell apart at the seams. Oh lord I wish Bayformers had balanced itself better.
PS. Unpopular opinion, I actually liked the red hot rod flames on Optimus Prime.
I also really like the red flames on Optimus
After the munky, flaming hot trukk was no big deal. It bugged me more that he wasn't a cab-over-engine design... which also wasn't a big deal, because how often do you see those on American roads anymore? (For those without regular access to American roads, they're pretty rare.)
@@boobah5643 Heck I first grew up with Optimus being a fire engine in the Robots in Disguise anime and again in the Cybertron anime later on, and in between both of those he alternated to a beefy sci-fi semi-truck in Armada and Energon. So I’m perfectly fine with Optimus being whatever variation of the two so long as he still looks right. Same goes for Megatron who has been in way more alternate forms (my personal preference being a tank). Problem is both of their actual character models (and their writing) has been dreadful.
The flames are really cool, but if I had a reason to not like them, it’s because it doesn’t fit Prime’s personality
For me its pacific rim, which I think is a masterpiece in the same vein
14:58 I had an idea where the Decepticons had color shifting technology to simultaneously change colors so they can disguise themselves better as legit looking military vehicles and then ditching the bland colors to their more iconic ones when they no longer need it because they're invading the world now or some shit that way we can get best of both worlds while the Autobots had no problem changing colors because they use civilian vehicles and as long as it's not as outlandinsh they can blend pretty easily.
And it's really not that far fetched many Transformers in the past has some crazy abilities like turn invisible, mass shifting which allows certain Transformers to transform in extremely impossible sizes and transform into a different looking transformer so changing colors is really not that hard for them to do
These came out during the times I was at my dads, so the early movies hold a real sentimental place in my heart
Same, watching this movie for the first time as a child on a DVD my dad probably torrented projected onto the wall of his apartment is a core memory for me.
I unapologetically saw the first transformers like 5 times in theaters when i was 17. Everything after that movie hurt my soul...
Dark of the Moon imo was the best in the franchise - the battle for Chicago will always be awesome.
Fuck yeah, man. When that movie came to Chicago to film, literally everyone here was talking about it and when opening night came around, theatres all around the city and suburbs cheered when the bad guy’s helicopter arrives in the city.
A story THAT flimsy shouldn't make a good movie, but damn that action almost elevates it
@@Harmonmj13 Bro, that’s wholesome af.
@@michaelsimpson1224 Yep, it’s a big dumb action flick at it’s finest. Also, I just remembered the opening scene depicting cybertron’s last days was also pretty damn cool.
Action wise yes