The Fall Of Michael Voris

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  • čas přidán 4. 12. 2023
  • When the news that Michael Voris was forced to resign from militant broke last week I made a short video announcing the event. But I had always planned to do a longer video giving my thoughts on Church militant and Michael Voris overall. The good, the bad and the ugly.
    First a little background on myself and what church militant did for me.

Komentáře • 350

  • @Electric_
    @Electric_ Před 7 měsíci +39

    Michael Voris was instrumental in me turning back to Catholicism after I left my parents for the Army. They converted to Evangelicalism when I was about 10, and so did me and my siblings because they basically made us. But when I left my parents I had big questions Protestantism couldn’t answer, and I felt a strong pull on my soul back to Catholicism. The Catholic Church as a child felt holy in a way I can’t explain, whereas Protestant churches felt plastic to me. Michael Voris and CM equipped me with a ton of knowledge and I returned to the faith entirely, taking St. Ignatius of Loyala as a patron saint, who fought against heresy. So no matter what Michael did, God used him to help me and obviously many many others. So let’s pray for him, that our prayers may bless him as he once blessed us, being used by God. May God heal him and give him a massive infusion of
    Grace such that the temptations that ensnare him have little to no sway anymore.

    • @sylvia54lobo76
      @sylvia54lobo76 Před 7 měsíci

      Electric...
      Wow!!!!
      Let's be MATURE....
      Voris was trapped by masonic churchs' operatives of DEEP CHURCH. Wake up Matt/Taylor/John Henry Weston & Co. Yes we must fast, pray for Voris. His departed Mother is surely praying for her beloved prodigal son MICHAEL VORIS. Fellay's so called SSPX canonical ilk cannot be trusted either hobnobbing with present day satanic Rome.

    • @TheCrusades1099
      @TheCrusades1099 Před 6 měsíci +2

      Michael Voris is still our brother in Christ. He has made and admitted to the mistakes he has made. We all fall short of the Glory of G D!

    • @P4yn3
      @P4yn3 Před 4 měsíci +1

      turns out he was packing the hershey chocolate the whole time

    • @paulagrant1073
      @paulagrant1073 Před 3 měsíci +3

      Lord, hear our prayer for Michael.

    • @traditionalgirl3943
      @traditionalgirl3943 Před 3 měsíci

      ✝️🙏🙏🙏❤️ for Michael.

  • @billd7197
    @billd7197 Před 7 měsíci +20

    I listen to Fr Ripperger. A smart, Holy, exorcist priest. Fascinating chats and discussions.

  • @maureen348
    @maureen348 Před 7 měsíci +23

    We all fall in different ways but not so publicly thank God. May it make him more Holy in days to come.

    • @splinterbyrd
      @splinterbyrd Před 2 měsíci +1

      He needs to become a Christian first and stop hating himself

  • @templarfidelis7203
    @templarfidelis7203 Před 7 měsíci +36

    His "One true faith" series brought me back to the Church and helped bring my protestant wife to the faith. Your video is 100% correct. God Bless and may God have mercy on us all.

  • @HolyknightVader999
    @HolyknightVader999 Před 5 měsíci +6

    Christ's door is always open to Voris. May he find Jesus' love.

  • @MMC-jp1gl
    @MMC-jp1gl Před 4 měsíci +4

    I've learned recently that people struggling with SSA (same sex attraction) should not be in a leadership role public or otherwise. The condition is rooted in a deep seated psychological wound that needs a lot of care and attention. It's easy to get caught up in being able to be so public these days with social media but I don't see it as a good thing but rather something to be very careful about. God bless~

  • @danschwartz1950
    @danschwartz1950 Před 6 měsíci +10

    Let’s not forget all the good that was done these past 15 years and continues. Many souls have benefited from Saint Michaels Media. There are many good people working for SMM/ CM.

    • @splinterbyrd
      @splinterbyrd Před 2 měsíci

      Michael Voris is not a priest nor is he a Christian.
      A Christian Church or any institution claiming to be Christian is a sham _unless_ it can produce letters of recommendation from the poor and homeless.
      I doubt Michael Voris or anyone else at the ridiculous "Church Militant" has ever met anyone who's homeless

  • @richardmcleod1930
    @richardmcleod1930 Před 6 měsíci +8

    Listen to Bishop Fulton J. Sheen and you will be alright.

  • @user-sf9en6sg7h
    @user-sf9en6sg7h Před 7 měsíci +54

    My Best wishes for Michael, I understand people have vices, and that they are in the process of overcoming it, I'll keep him in my mind in my prayers.

    • @gioscott2363
      @gioscott2363 Před 6 měsíci +5

      I too pray for Michael, we all are sinners and we can be forgiven through our lord and savior Jesus Christ. May he find his way back, in the meantime I will contiue to pray for him and all our Priests.

    • @splinterbyrd
      @splinterbyrd Před 2 měsíci

      He's gone spend more time with his estimated 13million dollars

    • @user-sf9en6sg7h
      @user-sf9en6sg7h Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@splinterbyrd it might be hard for you to believe, but money doesn't buy peace.

    • @splinterbyrd
      @splinterbyrd Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@user-sf9en6sg7h He'll only find peace if he actually becomes a Christian and learns to love himself a bit more. Frankly, I don't hold out much hope🙏

    • @splinterbyrd
      @splinterbyrd Před 2 měsíci

      @@user-sf9en6sg7h He'll only find peace if he learns to love himself a little more. Can't see him changing tbh

  • @rachelpops9239
    @rachelpops9239 Před 7 měsíci +14

    Toxic is exactly whst i thought when i stopped watching Church Militant

  • @MycoKing
    @MycoKing Před 7 měsíci +14

    Be thankful that we are Roman Catholic!

  • @MexicanMashka
    @MexicanMashka Před 7 měsíci +33

    Many prayers to this poor man. Thank you for your channel! God bless!

  • @MrJking1962
    @MrJking1962 Před 7 měsíci +29

    Same route I took. Protestant, Catholic Answers, Voris, Sensus Fidelium, SSPX.

    • @imisschristendom5293
      @imisschristendom5293  Před 7 měsíci +7

      Haha, that's awesome

    • @joycemackin9412
      @joycemackin9412 Před 6 měsíci +3

      God bless Archbishop Lebreve and the SSPX. Michael Voris always put them down and that made me very upset.He always acted like he was above being right and that turn me off I hope he gets help with his sickness

    • @Chris-jr2nu
      @Chris-jr2nu Před 20 dny

      @@joycemackin9412 michael voris likely played a huge role in my conversion, greatful for that

    • @joycemackin9412
      @joycemackin9412 Před 20 dny

      @@Chris-jr2nu Chris I'm not trying to e mean I'm so happy for you that you came into the Catholic faith .God bless you ✝️ I love the society of SSPX. He always going after them and that upset me

  • @rosemariekury9186
    @rosemariekury9186 Před 7 měsíci +13

    In some ways this reminds me of fr.Corapi who evidently was living a double life also. He too did a lot of good. I think that if you’re Catholic and doing public ministry the devil just loves to bring you down. I was a premium member but not now. I’ll pray for Michael but the last few months haven’t been watching much. When I did, Michael appeared haggard and was seeming to age rapidly. I’m sure that the guilt he was carrying showed in that way. He should never go back into public ministry, but I’ll bet he’ll try it again.

  • @brucejohnson4462
    @brucejohnson4462 Před 3 měsíci +3

    It wasn't that long after Milo Ynopolis worked at CM with Michael Voris that Michael was exposed.
    Gotta wonder if there's a connection.

  • @michaelkaiser8694
    @michaelkaiser8694 Před 7 měsíci +9

    Dude… exactly how I feel about doing anything for money, for a living. When it’s for a living, you will make compromises, so we need to be careful.

  • @optimal8155
    @optimal8155 Před 7 měsíci +34

    I’m getting a little tired of these “fall of Voris videos”. We all fall.

    • @HumilityisaVirtue
      @HumilityisaVirtue Před 7 měsíci +8

      I'm tired too, but think of the donors who deserve to know what was happening with their money.

    • @learneternal-english3417
      @learneternal-english3417 Před 7 měsíci +8

      sure but we also must expose predators to protect the vulnerable.

    • @dawncresci2724
      @dawncresci2724 Před 7 měsíci +6

      He's getting a dose of his own medicine. His pride got the best of him.

    • @HumilityisaVirtue
      @HumilityisaVirtue Před 7 měsíci +3

      @@dawncresci2724 PRIDE is a killer... in every sense of the word.

    • @TheNemkris
      @TheNemkris Před 7 měsíci

      Why don't you make comments like these on Stalin or Hitler videos? Because you are a Hypocrite and just commenting this to virtue signal.

  • @The12thSeahorse
    @The12thSeahorse Před 7 měsíci +23

    This reminds me of the Fr Corapi scandal. Fr Corapi portrayed himself as untouchable, a knight in shining armour, until the putrid skeletons started coming out from his closet. It seems Michael has fallen into a similar ditch. I feel sorry for the employees and subscribers who have been let down.

    • @tanishalavri3278
      @tanishalavri3278 Před 7 měsíci +8

      Was Father Corapi even really guilty of all that stuff? I believe he was wrongly accused. His only problem was pride starting to get to his heart. But i don't think he did the other stuff.

    • @The12thSeahorse
      @The12thSeahorse Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@tanishalavri3278 -My understanding was Fr Corapi was having an affair with a past female acquaintance and running a profitable business on the side.

    • @tanishalavri3278
      @tanishalavri3278 Před 7 měsíci +3

      @@The12thSeahorse really?? I only heard about the female coworker accusing him of harassment.

    • @blessedvirginmaryisqueen8448
      @blessedvirginmaryisqueen8448 Před 7 měsíci

      ​​@@tanishalavri3278On July 5, 2011, EWTN published a document from Rev. Gerard Sheehan, Regional Priest Servant Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT), Fr. Corapi's religious congregation. In that statement, Sheehan stated that, after SOLT's own investigation, Fr. Corapi was found to have fallen into acts contrary to chastity with women, as well as other serious misbehavior. This was so sad to hear, as Fr. Corapi had been a hero to many, including myself (he helped lead me to the priesthood by his preaching). Let's pray for him.

    • @lindaobrien8538
      @lindaobrien8538 Před 5 měsíci

      What did fr corapi do?

  • @terrafirma5608
    @terrafirma5608 Před 7 měsíci +6

    The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak

  • @Wessim75
    @Wessim75 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Thanks for making this video. I used to be subscriber, but CM's relentless attacks on SSPX caused me to cancel. That was nearly 10 years ago. I never followed them since then. Then came the recent revelations. Shocking but not shocking. I wish Michael and Mrs. Niles well.

  • @janetannisette5965
    @janetannisette5965 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Am so sorry to hear about this.

  • @jackieforestieri3010
    @jackieforestieri3010 Před 7 měsíci +19

    I also never understood the animosity towards the SSPX. If you want to hear sound Catholic teaching, check out their podcasts. That is food to fuel the soul!

  • @KathleenJ
    @KathleenJ Před 7 měsíci +41

    Don't call it "rainbow relations", the rainbow belongs to God!

    • @HumilityisaVirtue
      @HumilityisaVirtue Před 7 měsíci +11

      There is certain language one cannot use on CZcams, or they would get demonetized.

    • @SuperGingerBickies
      @SuperGingerBickies Před 7 měsíci +9

      I call them the Alphabet Cult.

    • @NothingBeatsTheTruth
      @NothingBeatsTheTruth Před 7 měsíci +2

      The scientific term is "aberrosexualism" for anatomically and biologically aberrant sexual behavioral choices. It's a term commonly used without a problem to identify both the individual and the macabre ideology.

    • @SuperGingerBickies
      @SuperGingerBickies Před 7 měsíci +1

      Good word to use, and to the point!@@NothingBeatsTheTruth

    • @GuardianA-hole
      @GuardianA-hole Před 7 měsíci

      Another virtue signaler. Just had to make a comment out of nothing

  • @justthink8952
    @justthink8952 Před 7 měsíci +8

    My view of Michael's teachings is still not affected. What he taught are not depended on his conduct.
    Statements that is true or false is not depended on the person saying it. What is true will remain true even if it were spoken by a fool.
    As for his conduct, i don't approve any of his immorality.

  • @franciscowalker5104
    @franciscowalker5104 Před 3 měsíci

    BRILLIAN ANALYSIS - THE BEST I EVER HEARD ON THE MATTER. God bless you!!!!

  • @stldrew6810
    @stldrew6810 Před 7 měsíci +6

    I wouldn't even mention David Gordon. I know he worked there, but......
    I'm trying to be charitable by not saying anything negative about him.
    Love and respect brother, love your channel and appreciate your work, time and effort

    • @optimal8155
      @optimal8155 Před 7 měsíci +1

      What’s wrong with David?

    • @stldrew6810
      @stldrew6810 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @optimal8155 too much to comment. And as I stated previously, I'm trying to be charitable, but needless to say, I pray for him.
      His tactics and character are questionable, but then again ,the same could be said of any of us depending on who you speak with.

  • @foxx2990
    @foxx2990 Před 7 měsíci +18

    Voris is not perfect, sure. For one thing I didn’t agree with his attacks on the SSPX but let’s face it he also called out awful things happening that very few had the courage to do. He deserves our prayers 🙏

    • @vennue9958
      @vennue9958 Před 7 měsíci +4

      why not, people think SSPX is all that, but they're not...what's wrong w/ exposing their corrupt side

    • @foxx2990
      @foxx2990 Před 7 měsíci

      It’s not for me to judge the SSPX. There are many, many very pious Catholics who attend their Masses, and that is a strong recommendation I would think.@@vennue9958

    • @animgreat2719
      @animgreat2719 Před 7 měsíci

      It takes more courage to fight your own sins that pointing out other's

  • @josephg.3370
    @josephg.3370 Před 7 měsíci +66

    Seems like E. Michael Jones was right about him.

    • @BryanKirch
      @BryanKirch Před 7 měsíci +17

      He’s top notch when he researches. Medjugorje is another example where EMJ is bringing a Truth most people don’t want to hear

    • @Charles-jg8dz
      @Charles-jg8dz Před 7 měsíci +3

      The good news in the end: The Church of Christ will prevail, just not the Roman Catholic Church.

    • @christinevandegriend1773
      @christinevandegriend1773 Před 7 měsíci +12

      And E. Michael Jones was right quite a few years back.

    • @ethanreads8504
      @ethanreads8504 Před 7 měsíci

      Nope; we are Christ's Church. Only in Rome. Extra Ecclesia Nulla Salus, schismatic.@@Charles-jg8dz

    • @TheBadTrad
      @TheBadTrad Před 7 měsíci +6

      He may be right about Voris, but his methods are just as nasty….

  • @randolph1917
    @randolph1917 Před 7 měsíci +30

    Voris became excessively toxic and schismatic. And yeah, he was quick to point out others indiscretions, but for himself, he would expect others to cover up his wrongs. If anything, he became a vector for Catholics to apostatize into other faiths, sects, and denominations, than to keep them in the Church.

    • @Kjt853
      @Kjt853 Před 7 měsíci

      Amen! I stopped watching CM about two years ago because of the relentless, toxic negativity. For an organization that claims the Catholic Church is “the one true Church,” virtually every Vortex, news report, and “exposé” seemed to prove the opposite! Rather than confirming me in the Faith, CM was turning me away from it.

    • @igorest2619
      @igorest2619 Před 6 měsíci +4

      What did he say about the Church that was not true? Regardless of what he did in his personal life, was what he was saying about the Church true or not? Because THAT is all that matters!

    • @randolph1917
      @randolph1917 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@igorest2619 It's not about whether or not what he said was true, it's that he focused so much on he gay clergy, bringing and highlighting scandal in the church, and he himself was guilty of the same things he pointed out in others. So many Catholics have become schismatics and even left for other denominations and use his videos as an example to leave the church.

    • @igorest2619
      @igorest2619 Před 6 měsíci +3

      @@randolph1917 it is absolutely about whether or not what he said was true and accurate.... Did whatever it is he did, make the things he exposed "untrue" or are they still "true?" Why focus on Voris? This was NEVER about "Voris!" The focus should be on the Church and correcting the problems in the Church, not about Voris or what he did. In all essence, Voris is irrelevant, all that matters is the Church; he has always said that.
      The entire apostolate has always been about the Church, never about Voris. To blame CM for what Voris did in his private life is absurd. Either the things Voris said and did in the apostolate were 100% accurate or they were not. As the saying goes.... "You don't throw the baby out with the bath water!"

    • @igorest2619
      @igorest2619 Před 6 měsíci

      @@randolph1917 you're simply wrong, in a big way; it is 100% about the truth and nothing more. Either what Voris has exposed is true or it is not; his personal life is irrelevant to the facts. Voris exposed a lot of dirt that has been a major problem in the Church - especially the homo-pedophiles - and few people want to acknowledge the problem they have been for the Church.
      If anybody leaves the Church because of what Voris has exposed, they were never really Catholic to begin with, they were one of those, "I'm Catholic but...." Which means they are not Catholic at all!

  • @vivalamezzo
    @vivalamezzo Před 7 měsíci +5

    My husband and I had almost the same experience as you. It followed the same arc.

  • @anng.4542
    @anng.4542 Před 7 měsíci +16

    His father Russ passed away in January 2018. Can't help wondering if things started to unravel after that. I also remember reading somewhere that another guy had moved in with Michael. Is it possible the relationship was emotionally enmeshed but physivally chaste?

    • @carissstewart3211
      @carissstewart3211 Před 7 měsíci +5

      Would you say that in the case of a heterosexual couple? Michael admitted to a past homosexual lifestyle, so at the very least such a step would be as imprudent as heterosexual cohabitation.

    • @learneternal-english3417
      @learneternal-english3417 Před 7 měsíci

      Contra Mundum (youtube channel) did a long video on this. He was high up at church militant. Michael slipped up and accidently texted bad images and videos to the wrong people over the course of years.

    • @sharonseesink6163
      @sharonseesink6163 Před 6 měsíci +1

      No

  • @nicholasmichaelcassenti
    @nicholasmichaelcassenti Před 7 měsíci +7

    Anyone who truly is, of: God, will not judge his sin, look at their own and pray… for both. God Bless you all

    • @TheNemkris
      @TheNemkris Před 7 měsíci +1

      Nobody was even talking about that, you are just repeating self rightseous mantras. We can't let men like him be the face of Catholicism and it's that simple.

    • @nicholasmichaelcassenti
      @nicholasmichaelcassenti Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@TheNemkris feel a little guilty. Just confess, God’s forgives my Blessed friend

    • @TheNemkris
      @TheNemkris Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@nicholasmichaelcassenti You are the one who should confess for being a hypocrite and passive agressive too. Do you think God doesn't see your slimy little game? Why can't you just be honest? shameful

    • @nicholasmichaelcassenti
      @nicholasmichaelcassenti Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@TheNemkris praying for you

    • @TheNemkris
      @TheNemkris Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@nicholasmichaelcassenti That's ok. Now can you stop being sinfully passive agressie on the internet? please? God sees your evil intentions. Be good brother.

  • @toxicharm7239
    @toxicharm7239 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Makes me sad when I find out there's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

  • @thistlewood1
    @thistlewood1 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Sad ,but nothing surprises me anymore , but this video was very important , we all fall ,but it’s also very important to be warned,it’s Gods grace working through the Holy Spirit ,the truth sets us free, we must learn not only from our own weakness but also the weakness of others ,it’s about learning really how much we need the grace of God in our lives ,amen and thank you

  • @andreasmoser2362
    @andreasmoser2362 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Couldn't agree more, perfect analysis. I re-verted 2013, and Michael was my guiding light then, until things deteriorated and he attacked Abs. Vigano. Then I quit my premium membership and withdrew.

  • @annstrahlendorf2879
    @annstrahlendorf2879 Před 7 měsíci +2

    You are absolutely RIGHT😢

  • @tonyclobo
    @tonyclobo Před 6 měsíci +1

    Transparency is paramount! St. Augustine is a good example, where God can do the impossible.

  • @ourlifeinwyoming4654
    @ourlifeinwyoming4654 Před měsícem

    It's tempting to judge another's sins - but, I haven't perfected my grace with Christ just yet, so I try my best to refrain. Michael lifted many of us to a new level in our faith before he fell. Thus, I've concluded that the good outweighed the bad, and like you, I still see much value in the early lessons he taught. I found myself conflicted towards the end because it was so negative. But, his apologetics boot camp DVD's are still great resource and "Where did the Bible come from?" is an excellent resource. And after his fall, I found other sources - like your channel. I don't agree with all of your content - but I tune in for sure and I've learned much from you. Thank you.

  • @kisstune
    @kisstune Před 7 měsíci +4

    They were told to drop the Catholic from their name. It was the Bishop in South Bend that told them to drop it as they weren't sanctioned by a Bishop or something.

    • @igorest2619
      @igorest2619 Před 6 měsíci +2

      Not true, it was the ultra liberal Bishop of Detroit that said it and he had absolutely no authority to say it. They never had to change their name, there was nothing that compelled them to do it - other than "charity."

  • @leoniea138
    @leoniea138 Před 7 měsíci +7

    This case is getting worse by every channel exposing him . What a shock !

    • @RyanNX211
      @RyanNX211 Před 7 měsíci

      Did he fall or did he just not get up 7 years ago?

  • @noboa222
    @noboa222 Před 7 měsíci +8

    Everyone is sinful. We can't deny how good he was telling the truth about corruption in the catholic church. We got to pray for him and the catholic church. 😢😢😢😢

    • @gabolujan3109
      @gabolujan3109 Před 6 měsíci

      He is a hypocrite. Being a groomer of young boys yet saying pedophile priest are bad when he did the sam4 thing.

  • @corazonkatigbak8563
    @corazonkatigbak8563 Před 7 měsíci +3

    They forgot to be humble. Hitting others is mean. We can't lead double lives, we need to match our actions with the Catholic faith we believe in.

  • @Cesar777.
    @Cesar777. Před 7 měsíci +4

    Doesn’t surprise me, especially when he started hangout with Milo

  • @PrometheanKitchen96
    @PrometheanKitchen96 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I used to watch church militant back when I was a conservative novice order attendee but now I go to the SSPX

  • @Pieldenieve
    @Pieldenieve Před měsícem

    The Dimond Bros did a video of him a long time ago and they convinced me to stop watching Voris since then. Thank you. Brothers!

  • @gerardducharme2146
    @gerardducharme2146 Před 7 měsíci +3

    I am a member of the SSPX I for one stop watching the vortex a while back. I found that it was like you said very toxic that it was. And I don’t plan on supporting them.

  • @user-wi1kl5bw5m
    @user-wi1kl5bw5m Před 7 měsíci +27

    Had the same experiences with Vorris. It is truly hypocritical.To be so horrible with others for the same things you are doing.Very upsetting.

  • @purplescapular4935
    @purplescapular4935 Před 7 měsíci +4

    The truth did in the darkness will always be shown in the light Jesus Christ warned that.

  • @StAlphonsusHasAPosse
    @StAlphonsusHasAPosse Před 7 měsíci +5

    I love your channel

  • @gabolujan3109
    @gabolujan3109 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Once a gay always a gay.

  • @ryanscottlogan8459
    @ryanscottlogan8459 Před 7 měsíci +4

    It is amazing how gullible some people are!

  • @johnflorio3576
    @johnflorio3576 Před 7 měsíci +1

    There, but for the grace of God, go any of us.

  • @orbitty1354
    @orbitty1354 Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks for the video. ❤

  • @Patrick-ro4kf
    @Patrick-ro4kf Před 7 měsíci +2

    From UK we are all sinners with different things we have weak moments time from time ,I use to watch Cm + and I liked listening to mv learning from another Catholic about the Catholic faith,it's sad when something like this happens but he needs our prayers instead of being gossiping about him or being nasty may God guide Michael voris and forgive him ,God bless

    • @learneternal-english3417
      @learneternal-english3417 Před 7 měsíci +1

      yes but slipping up occasionally and privately and trying hard to be right is different than being an active predator. We have to expose predators in our community to protect the vulnerable.

    • @Patrick-ro4kf
      @Patrick-ro4kf Před 7 měsíci

      @@learneternal-english3417 actually he who without sin cast the first stone there's no buts if the man confesses to God then it's between him and God and everyone else needs to forgive this is how our lord Jesus spoke yes at times it's difficult to forgive but it's best to forgive because you're father in heaven will forgive you

    • @learneternal-english3417
      @learneternal-english3417 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@Patrick-ro4kf We are talking about 2 separate things. Obviously forgive and don't condemn. But if there's a serial predator in our neighborhood or schools, community etc. They must be exposed. You can still forgive someone and not give them money to fund their sin and not let your family be exposed to potentially fall prey. If there is a bad person at your kids' school and they confess to God would you rather know about it for safety or just be fine not knowing letting it be covered up and putting your kids in harms way?

    • @Patrick-ro4kf
      @Patrick-ro4kf Před 7 měsíci

      @@learneternal-english3417 from uk ,well all children need to be protected when it comes to kids Thier safety really important nothing should be swept under the carpet , predators should be treated how the law states also we all know that we would do damage to a predictor if one was caught

    • @learneternal-english3417
      @learneternal-english3417 Před 7 měsíci

      @@Patrick-ro4kf All people deserve protection without discrimination. The nature of this lifestyle is inherently predatory since it requires 2 or more people and they can't reproduce naturally, it requires converting someone to their lifestyle. And the vast majority of them become this way because they were victims as children. And that is why in all christian nations it was illegal until very modern times.

  • @GarthDomokos
    @GarthDomokos Před 7 měsíci +6

    In my life, I have found that when you go after others, you less focus on yourself. The "speck and log" is so true on so many levels.

  • @ozielramirez4589
    @ozielramirez4589 Před 7 měsíci +3

    We should still pray for MV, in the end we must realize that we too as sinners, have all had a time of weakness in our lives

  • @mariamartin94
    @mariamartin94 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I can’t believe people in this thread are comparing Voris to Fr Corapi!

  • @Mike_and_Ike-xb3io
    @Mike_and_Ike-xb3io Před 7 měsíci +2

    Catholic YT has a high cringe factor. Many of us search the internet for messages we don’t get in our church. I have led a sinful life, but tried to raise my children without sin. Yes, it’s hypocritical, and I’ve gone through a long period of examination of conscience and repentance. That said, Michael Voris’ old videos were relevant and something that resonated with me. I have seen many “faithful” people lose their faith, and one can never know why. Remember, Jesus hung out with ne’er-do-wells, not the high and mighty. .

    • @owlobsidian6965
      @owlobsidian6965 Před 6 měsíci

      "I have led a sinful life, but tried to raise my children without sin. Yes, it’s hypocritical,"
      You're not hypocritical, it sounds like you're trying to save your children from falling into the same mistake you made in your past. Nothing wrong with that.

  • @thomaswdees
    @thomaswdees Před 7 měsíci +27

    Why do the enemies of the SSPX always turn out to be gay?

  • @simonbelmont1986
    @simonbelmont1986 Před 7 měsíci +3

    This is why i could never teach moral law online. I'm a broken mess lol. At least I'm not a Micheal voris, I have my own problems. But moral code is the hardest path to walk in a world of distractions.

  • @carinahernandes9044
    @carinahernandes9044 Před 7 měsíci

    Absolutely perfect well said

  • @nl396
    @nl396 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Happy Advent.

  • @danxxfriedman6070
    @danxxfriedman6070 Před 27 dny

    I used to watch the show a few years ago. I was impressed with the truth they presented to the public. They were fighting the evil that overtook the RCC. We are all sinners. Get back to your fight for righteousness!

  • @xiomarablanco5598
    @xiomarablanco5598 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Caution with opinions over fallen people. Of course we ought to look for the truth, but let’s be careful not to commit the same thing Michael is criticized for, judging hard. Let’s see the pertaining authorities do the proper investigations and justice prevails. We all know our choices good or bad have consequences and we need to assume them. Being a public figures brings enemies, unfortunately, just don’t forget that before getting into that arena.

  • @johnhurley9440
    @johnhurley9440 Před 7 měsíci

    I won't finish this. Tone? May God bless you always.

  • @brattyyoung1917
    @brattyyoung1917 Před 3 měsíci

    Lord have mercy on Michael/Bring him to repentance/From Hypocrisy!!Very sad!!!

  • @barbarabrooks4747
    @barbarabrooks4747 Před 4 měsíci +1

    It's sad because he was very talented and insightful, yet failed to deal with his root problems and have spiritual accountability.

    • @4everseekingwisdom690
      @4everseekingwisdom690 Před 4 měsíci

      Not sure why this this isn't more well known but he was caught having an affair with a man. When he found out he guy he was sleeping with was a HUGE anti gay CZcams personality he outed him.. that's why he was fired

    • @barbarabrooks4747
      @barbarabrooks4747 Před 4 měsíci

      Yes, it is well known. Sometimes when someone is a popular public figure, it goes to their head. Given his troubled background, he needs counseling and filters on his phone to help keep him away from dating and porn sites. Investigating church corruption probably reminded him of his base desires!

  • @fosterparent7477
    @fosterparent7477 Před 7 měsíci

    I appreciate Voris because I took the exact same route to the SSPX

  • @HumilityisaVirtue
    @HumilityisaVirtue Před 7 měsíci +2

    You hit the nail on the head. I was a supporter for about 2 years. I began seeing what you saw and pulled the plug. In particular, I recall asking a challenging question one day regarding a Vortex presentation. Voris lit into me like I was a demon, censored me and blocked me from the DISQUS forum. Sorry to say, I wasn't surprised by his actions. The day I pulled my donation was after Voris chased down a Bishop in an airport... shoving a mic and camera in his face. Whether the Bishop was right or wrong, he didn't deserve such treatment and public humility.

    • @arnoeeuwigheid4499
      @arnoeeuwigheid4499 Před 7 měsíci +3

      I know EXACTLY what you mean; you're NOT alone in this.
      Apperntly Voris also loved to
      "PLAY the divine judge and juror", Now he pays the price for this arrogant and unacceptable attitude.......
      What goes around, comes around!

  • @wlg2677
    @wlg2677 Před 7 měsíci

    Sin makes us all fall.
    But the Lord Jesus has the title of Redeemer for something.

  • @tomthx5804
    @tomthx5804 Před 4 měsíci +1

    No, its just that the SSPX tells a lot of lies. A lot of them. That's why they went after them.

  • @LauFiu
    @LauFiu Před 7 měsíci

    you are literally narrating my reversion story

  • @bradleyweliver9233
    @bradleyweliver9233 Před 6 měsíci +1

    He had a lot of people fooled. The biggest fool was himself. He still manage to do a lot of good, but damage along the way. Shame on him for doing so. Hopefully he gets the help he needs.
    Prayers for him🙏

  • @littlethimblehalffull
    @littlethimblehalffull Před 7 měsíci

    Love your channel. This was one of the most thoughtful commentaries on this sad subject. Thank you.

  • @SuperGingerBickies
    @SuperGingerBickies Před 7 měsíci +1

    The Alphabet Cult is reckless by nature - physically reckless, pathologically selfish, and very expensive to maintain - hence Voris' giving himself a raise whilst leaving his staff on starvation wages (if that is to be believed). I noticed the continuous appeals for money and plugging Premium subscriptions at every opportunity.
    I've known people who have been in this cult, and few have been so frank in telling it like it truly is; it is an addiction. Learning about all this comes from living in a very liberal UK city and having the unfortunate experience of being verbally abused by a few of them - and, no, I am not in that sick and twisted cult!
    If Voris was a gambling addict, alcoholic, porn or drug addict and not relapsing hard into the Alphabet Cult, we would say he had fallen off the wagon.
    Yes, pray for him to restore the practice of his Faith - and not neglect the regular recitation of the Holy Rosary. Again.
    He has abused everyone's trust, including the Premium subscribers who gave CM their Widow's Mite to support Catholic Truth which is sadly lacking in Vatican or diocesan-vetted media mouthpieces.
    Voris should never front or work with anything remotely Catholic ever again - for his own good. He expected people who are active in the Alphabet Cult to do the same, didn't he?
    That ought to apply to him, too.
    PS: Church Militant changed its name because the Archdiocese of Detroit wanted the previous name 'Real Catholic' dropped, and Voris complied with their request.

  • @jamesmonahan9408
    @jamesmonahan9408 Před 7 měsíci +1

    When people use religion as a business, it's like sports. It reveals your character. I'll never go any way but catholic but when you try to make a business out of religion / theology it gets dangerous. God bless all who have anything to overcome. Ave Maria.

  • @leoniea138
    @leoniea138 Před 7 měsíci +2

    "Fool me trice ,, I'm an idiot "

  • @BryanKirch
    @BryanKirch Před 7 měsíci +7

    Its funny how obvious it was his whole set production lighting was rainbow colored and go see the “The One True Faith - Complete DVD Set” and the color scheme he selected. People can’t hide it they either want to get caught or they like the game of pretending their fooling people. The really sad part is he probably had some really severe childhood incident that lead him down this path

  • @joanscott9465
    @joanscott9465 Před 7 měsíci

    I totally agree. I too watched in the beginning and supported them. Then gradually the tone changed. I stopped listening and supporting. So sad....

  • @tabiripetrovich517
    @tabiripetrovich517 Před 6 měsíci

    I was wondering where he disappeared.
    I used to be an occasional vortex viewer.
    I must say: what happened to him is not unusual.

  • @casiopia7777
    @casiopia7777 Před 6 měsíci

    Well said

  • @PhillipCummingsUSA
    @PhillipCummingsUSA Před 7 měsíci +7

    This year I decided to become Catholic and have been watching Catholic content only to find out most of it is drama shows. It shouldn't be surprising yet I'm just disappointed.

    • @livingpurgatory3
      @livingpurgatory3 Před 7 měsíci

      Read the Alta Vendita. Things will start to make sense. Look into Bella Dodd

    • @loulasher
      @loulasher Před 7 měsíci +3

      I reverted to the Church knowing about the drama, but I left the ever shifting modernist church and only came back when I saw there was a traditional element that stood on solid logic & virtue. I feel like we need to jump in and pull like it's a tug of war as best (smart, not crazy) as we can.

    • @KathleenJ
      @KathleenJ Před 7 měsíci +2

      Welcome home.

  • @athosnogueira6755
    @athosnogueira6755 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Yeah that's something I didn't understand. I'd see from church militant the most Pope bashing and sarcasm, then I'd turn and see a video from them on how awful the SSPX is. It didn't make sense.

  • @mgw9562
    @mgw9562 Před 5 měsíci

    You nailed it about the money and power. It causes corruption.

  • @CocoWynn
    @CocoWynn Před 3 měsíci

    I bumped into CM before and I thought some of the content made sense but many other times it was unsettling and toxically disturbing. I stopped watching and now I’m not surprised to see his fall.

  • @laurahill2202
    @laurahill2202 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I really enjoyed your video about how you became catholic. But I am just a tad disappointed in this video.
    I do not believe that because a person fell back into their sin means there is not another redemption story for them. I don't even know if I could go far enough to say "he should never go back to church militant". I understand it would be hard to convince others you have changed afterwards, and doesnt Paul warn us that our "ministry" will be diminished? I know from my own life that satan can smoke up an area so slightly at a time until the frog won't jump out of the water because it doesn't even know how hot the temperature has gotten. I do not believe we should judge Michael. Accept to move on and to continue to pray for him and the Lord could use him again to help a lot of people to turn back & trust in the Lord and not despair over their return to sin. And there really is a despair that attacks you for however long it takes, if you are determined enough to get out of that pit and turn back to the Lord. Remember the prodigal son? He was a son of the wealthy land owner, living in his fathers house when he decided to take his inheritance & leave. Yet, after his great sin and decision to leave the presence of his Father, the Father would still go and watch for him & "when he saw him he (the son) was yet very far off and The Father ran TO him". The Father walked the remainder of the way with the errant son. The thought was always in My mind that when the son returned, that was his first conversion, his first sin, he didnt know better and thats why The Father welcomed him back. But, recently, in my old age, I realized that the son was with the Father originally; he ate, lived, slept and grew up (was taught) with the Father and then left, so there was still hope for me to come home to full restoration. So it must be true for anyone else that had a full communion with The Lord and fell, mightily. He is still looking for us, & if He sees us, yet while we are still far off, He will run and put His cloak over us again, shod our feet again, and put a Crown on us, again..

  • @Car1Sagan
    @Car1Sagan Před 7 měsíci

    David Gordon & Christine Niles made it clear that Simon needs to be the next to be fired. Simon's coverup was the reason for Niles' resignation.

  • @Noone765
    @Noone765 Před 6 měsíci

    This is sad. As a practicing Roman Catholic I will pray for Michael Voris and for him to repent and follow the path of Jesus Christ, Mother Mary and the Holy Roman Catholic Church. 🙏

  • @marytygett4189
    @marytygett4189 Před 6 měsíci

    Toxic content is right ! Also , Taylor Marshall , and others who sow hated & division. Man’s anger will not bring God’s righteousness. Prayers continue for the mystical body of Christ. Ave Maria, Jesus I Trust in You 🙏🌹😢

    • @CC-cr1oz
      @CC-cr1oz Před 5 měsíci

      ❤❤❤I like Taylor M. for being knowlegable.

  • @8elionadvancing884
    @8elionadvancing884 Před 7 měsíci

    When he went after Michael Matt and Tim Gordon I was put off because it wasn't very charitable. Were all suffering under this pontificate.

  • @andy41417
    @andy41417 Před 7 měsíci +1

    2:40 Bishops asked for the name change.

  • @paulhudson4254
    @paulhudson4254 Před 7 měsíci

    Don’t be this guy! M.V. Lessons, make sure your passions are in check, “BEFORE” you enter Church service and post facto your troubled? Then resign quickly and quietly! 🌺✝️🌺

  • @edelmary1131
    @edelmary1131 Před 6 měsíci

    I hope Michael's fall was recent and not longtime double habit...where was his priestly mentor?? or did he hide this ??? I hope Church Militant survives but reduces the tone....it is an opportunity for him to grow in humility and holiness IF people dare give him a chance....so I hold hope for him but it is probably better he does not return to a public position....perhaps does the research for others to present...I saw him with Milo some years ago and went on no...the lust vibe was electric between them and I hoped I was mistaken but we need to pray as he has deep soul wounds

  • @mariekatherine5238
    @mariekatherine5238 Před 6 měsíci

    Here’s the Catholic answer to the latest major SSA Protestant scandal, the fall of Ravi Zacharias and RZIM, his ministry. At least Voris didn’t have a family to destroy and a wife to succumb to cancer. And Voris is living therefore, it’s possible for him to save his soul. I pray he DOES save his soul.
    We simply must heed God’s warning about fleeing pride lest we too fall and lose our souls.

  • @jamesmcgarity614
    @jamesmcgarity614 Před 7 měsíci

    Don't want to hurt his feelings but never heard of him

  • @us-unclesam6566
    @us-unclesam6566 Před 7 měsíci

    It's sad, Bishop Sheen is al over CZcams. Yet, people go elsewhere to find out what it is to be a Catholic. St. Paul was probably the first Church Militant anything else is glitter but not gold.

  • @dogcowrph
    @dogcowrph Před 6 měsíci +1

    CM became the Jerry Springer of Catholicism.
    My goodness when you are living a gay lifestyle and bash the Knights Of Columbus.

  • @NathainArdoin
    @NathainArdoin Před 7 měsíci

    didn't a famous historically accurate book say something to the notion: for the love of money, is the root of all evil....... maybe that would be the modern translation known but money can run your life or CZcams channel.... It does cloud whosevers' message, since in most cases it is noticeable in some people when things change; for better or worse.

  • @user-bx4je3ru6c
    @user-bx4je3ru6c Před 7 měsíci +1

    I think you were spot on with your observations. It is a shame but he should never come back. Also although always liked Joe Gallagher I think he should not run the company either because he is a friend of Michael . He thinks like Michael as far as being focused on scandal instead of Church Teaching.

  • @ImTiredOfThisChurch
    @ImTiredOfThisChurch Před 7 měsíci

    He could only end this way. I think he’s facing God’s wrath