Tudor Black Bay 58 Blue vs Seiko SPB143 Comparison: Which Is The Best Entry-Level Luxury Dive Watch?
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- čas přidán 31. 07. 2024
- The Tudor Black Bay 58 Blue and the Seiko SPB143 were arguably the two most popular releases of 2020. Both are relatively affordable dive watches that offer amazing value for the brands they represent. In many ways they are quite different. One is classically Swiss and the other is classically Japanese. Both are reinterpretations of dive watch archetypes they created with the Tudor Snowflake and the Seiko 62MAS. Both are packed with great in house movements from their respective brands.
Despite their differences I think that they are comparable because I think that both of these dive watches can very easily become someone’s everyday dive watch. Both of these watches are comfortable on wrist and both of them are strap monsters. So in this video I will compare the Black Bay 58 Blue and the SPB143 and score them on a point system that I made up including nine categories (six worth 10 points, three worth 5 points). Which one will come out on top? Keep track of your own scores and let me know what you ended up with and what you think of my unexpected outcome!
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TIME STAMPS:
BB58 vs SPB143 - 00:00
Dial 10 points - 01:16
Case 10 points - 02:20
Bracelet 10 points - 04:13
Movement 10 points - 06:06
On The Wrist 10 points - 07:09
Value 10 points - 08:15
Strapmonsterability 5 points - 09:46
Uniqueness 5 points - 10:31
TWI Happy Index 5 points - 11:21
Final Score and Analysis - 12:24
DIMENSIONS:
Tudor Black Bay 58 Blue
Case width: 39mm
Lug width: 20mm
Bracelet at clasp: 16mm
Bracelet taper: 4mm
Lug to lug: 47.5mm
Bezel width: 39mm
Dial width: 30.7mm
Case thickness: 11.8mm
Midcase thickness: 6mm
Bezel height: 2.5mm
Crown diameter: 6.7mm
Power Reserve: 70 hours
Water resistance: 200m
Crystal: Domed sapphire
Movement: In-House MT5400
Seiko SPB143
Case width: 40.1mm
Lug width: 20mm
Bracelet at clasp: 18.0mm
Bracelet taper: 2mm
Spring bar/case gap: 2.5mm
Lug to lug: 47.6mm
Bezel width: 40.1mm
Dial width: 29.7mm
Case thickness: 13.9mm
Midcase thickness: 6.5mm
Bezel height: 3.7mm
Crown diameter: 6.4mm
Crown height: 3.7mm
Weight: with bracelet: 175 grams
Water resistance: 200m
Crystal: sapphire
Movement: Seiko 6R35
Power reserve: 70 hours
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A quick heads-up… Uncle Seiko just released a half link for the BB58. I bought one and it’s excellent.
Yessss the moment I saw the post on Instagram i immediately bought one! unfortunately it came after I recorded this video but it solved the problem of being in between links and now the bracelet is wearable! However, despite Uncle Seiko's good work im still not a fan of the BB58 bracelet so I might have to give one of his bracelets a go soon!
@@thewatchidiot The 1450 is worth a try. I’m very happy with mine.
@Anthony I've had my eye on the 1450 ever since Uncle Seiko released it so I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying it! Also hes selling endlinks for BB58s and Speedys so I can use it on my Speedy as well which is such a great thing for Uncle Seiko to do!
He also has spb bracelet replacements that fit the lugs better and gets rid of the gap :)
@Jesse Park oh whoa that's awesome! Can you link it here please!?
Seiko is pretty simple. You have to accept some QC issues, a usually poorer movement than Swiss competition, for a well-built workhorse of a watch that looks stunning in terms of design.
Watches like SPB 143 are hard to beat if you don't spend into Omega territory. I find it better looking than higher-priced models from Oris, Tudor, Longines, Rado, etc. Looks are essential in the watch business, and Seiko hit the nail in the head with their divers in this area.
Omega designs are goofy but most Tudors looks freakin' good.
The fact that so many people have even done comparisons of the spb and the bb58 is a great testament to the Seiko given that the SLA should be the true comparison given the parity in price to the bb58 and the SLA series are many leagues above the SPB
Love this comparison! The bb58 gilt was the hardest watch I’ve ever had to sell. I concur with literally everything you said. Ultimately sold it because of the jank bracelet comfort issues and the green lume that just looked bad with the gilt (I’m surprised no one talks about this!). The blue solves that problem though.
Thanks I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the comparison! Actually I have been on and off about selling the blue bay for about a year now! Like you, the bracelet is a big part of it but actually the problem has been solved by Uncle Seiko! He made half links for the stock bracelet and it fixed the fit however the bracelet is still disappointing me a bit. I never thought about the gilt dial clashing with the green lume! It would make for an interesting pair lol!
Seiko is the best option at $1000. I have spb143, it’s performance is completely different in real world usage.
They all do +6 -3 all day long but if Seiko reculated them they'd have to raise the price
Great review. Super well presented! Subscribed.
Thank you so much I'm glad you enjoyed the video and welcome to the channel! Lots more to come!
Dude! These are my EXACT Steel Stunners in my Wrecking Crew!!
Full disclosure: I had to send my BB58 in for service because it was having some issues keeping accurate time; SO to tide me over the 6+ weeks I picked up the SPB143. Alas, my Seiko is running -5 sec per day :(
Can’t wait to get my baby back and see these two side-by-side! They are now the foundation for my collection. I’m (probably) not selling either of them! Never been a fan of the gilt hands in the Black Bay series or the SPB’s. Great scoring system and Yes, it is telling that they tied! Nearly the same feeling when wearing them, but for different reasons. Spot on! Good vid!
I know the Tudor is a better watch but I prefer the side profile of the 143. It’s one of my favorite watches.
Yeah when it comes to purely aesthetics the Seiko is the clear winner in my mind bc that case shape and dial are just so good!
Nice comparison. Spot on - budget and preference, especially when we think Entry-Level Luxury Dive Watch, when the price is really a factor in this comparison. Thanks and take care.
Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed it! Yeah I thought there would be more to separate the two other than budget and preference given the price yet here we are! Ideal situation would be to own both lol!
Awesome job! Keep these comparisons coming 👍🏼 Have to say though I think the BB58 (particularly this blue version) should score higher than the SPB143 on 3 areas. Dial: I love that shade of blue which is just gorgeous to me, yet super wearable because it's restrained and desaturated. Plus, snowflake hands are so iconic to the brand. Uniqueness: I think the BB is more unique and recognisable. Happy Index: Well, the BB58 makes me happier. But at the end of the day, different strokes for different folks, which is what makes life interesting. Cheers! 🍻
Thank you so much, I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the video! Yeah the tudor definitely has the best matte dial out there, it really does look incredible! and yeah I love the snowflake hand as well and those things put together really do make for an awesome watch so I can totally see why it makes you as happy as it does. And since the video has been out I put on the uncle seiko half link and now the BB58 is making me much happier on the bracelet😁
@@thewatchidiot Unc Seiko deserves a medal for making that half link! I'm lucky to get a good fit with the stock bracelet but I totally get how a poor fit can really ruin the experience. Very glad it's working so well for you. My gripe with the bracelet is not fit, but comfort. Somehow I'm just getting some mild hotspots and that means I need to take the watch off if I'm wearing it for long periods just to give the wrist a break. Sucks.
LOL loved that wave at 6:20. Great content!
I'm glad someone noticed, I couldn't help myself lol! Thanks man happy to hear you're enjoying the channel!
Excellent review!!! Nailed it.
For whatever it’s worth, the recessed endlinks for Tudor and Rolex are a design choice. My 16610 is recessed as well. For myself, I hate the dive extension on the Seiko. It makes the clasp overly long, stiff, and takes away from its elegance.
LOVE my Seiko SPB143. LOVE IT
Thats awesome to hear!! Hopefully I can add one to my collection one day!
Great comparison!
Thanks man! Happy to hear you enjoyed it!!
Thanks. My wife just offered to get me a 58 for Christmas if I’d like it. I have the SPB143, so this was a useful video or me.
Ah that would be an awesome gift from a clearly awesome wife! I'm glad I was able to help a bit! so do you think you'll take her up on her offer??
I find the value for money part really odd. Everything else is compared head to head. But then you don’t compare the value. Surely if they are so similar then they should be judged against each other for that too. For example you give the Tudor a much higher mark for its movement based on accuracy, but given the movement is the heartbeat of the watch and the Tudor is twice the price, of course it should have a superior movement. But then value for money you don’t compare them to each other? Weird. But I really enjoyed the video and love both my back bay and my seiko 143.
Not twice the price, the BB58 is $4800 on Chrono 24 ATM and the Seiko can be had for about $1000. This is not even a fair comparison, one is a solid tool watch and one is a luxury watch. I am wearing my SPB143 as I type this and while I love it, it is not a Black Bay by any stretch. Value for money? Seiko all the way but I still want a BB.
@@jimmason8502 I have both and I can honestly tell you..The Tudor isn't the price difference better than the Seiko..It is the laws of diminishing returns..Sure the bb58 is better ..Just not 3k plus better..
A higher price doesn’t mean it should have a higher movement. I mean in theory it should but quite often doesn’t
@@sinjon I mean, show me a 4k 5k watch that doesn't have a swiss movement. With this price range obviously the movement is going to be better than on a 1k watch.
the seiko can be purchased for $890. Yes the Tudor had a better movement buy its not $3000 or $2000 better. The seiko is a tool watch and its movement can outlast the Tudor but not as refined as the Tudor. If the Tudor is not serviced in 4 years it will be out of time. But the seiko will continue off for 15-20 seconds a day without service all the same bit will tik for 20 years without service
I really enjoyed this comparison I hav the spb147 it came on rubber strap it’s a great watch and so is the Tudor 👍
Thanks man, I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it! The 147 is a great one and those rubber straps are next level! If only the 143 had a rubber option 😬 there's always next year i guess!
Great video man, IMHO both of these are different and both have a place in my collection. I should make a video giving my 2 cents!
Thanks man! Thats awesome that youve got both of them coexisting in a collection bc its definitely possible and something I want happening in my collection at some point lol! And yeah you should go for it!!
Yes make a video man!!!!
I very recently bought the Black Bay 58 Navy Blue to compliment a range of predominantly black-dialled watches in my collection that include the classic Rolex Submariner Date 16610 that I've cherished for 19 yrs. The Tudor is a super, very well-made luxury timepiece and I appreciate its rather understated blue dial and aluminium bezel compared to the 'bling-blue' ceramic of my Omega Seamaster 300. Like-for-like think of the Blue 58 as a more modern take on its original black and gilt sibling. The blue really pops in daylight or in well-lit rooms and a pleasure to wear. Although not quite up there with the Rolex in the absolute quality stakes - but why should it when it's barely 35% of a Sub's retail price - go to an AD and try one on. An in-house COSC certified movement, 70 hrs power reserve.... you won't be disappointed.
If u have to choose between them, what would u pick one up??
First of all, great video! We need more of this type of content! This is my second time coming back here because I’m weighing similar considerations in my own collection. I know this is a month old, and my question is slightly tangential, but how you balance owning the Tudor 925 with the SPB143? Both grey dial divers. Both could occupy a similar place in a collection. What do you think?
Do you want to spend 4k or 1k? That should be your question.
Great video, does the Seiko dial look brown at times? I have seen some pictures online that make me wonder about it looking grey.
The fact that a $1200 seiko is being compared to a $3800 Tudor tells you something. I just compared these two at dealer near me and the seiko blew me away. I was unimpressed by the tudor being that it is 3x the price of the seiko. I really wanted to be wowed by the Tudor and was not.
Great review; thank you; would you consider doing something similar with affordable field watches. I got bitten by the field watch bug; I start by looking at Hamilton Khakis but end up at the Timex site and I am surprised as heck and not surprised at the same time. I hope I am making sense. Great work, very on-point criteria and sharp observations. Thx.
Thanks Peter! Yeah Field watches are interesting for me since I'm such a dive watch guy! They definitely do interest me and I love the awesome simplicity and toughness in their overall character! I used to have a Khaki field mechanical a couple years ago and I loved how thin it was and the overall aesthetic. However I had to sell it because I couldnt quite justify owning it just for the sake of owning it as much as I liked it.
It would be interesting to compare that to the new seiko field watches because those have definitely caught my eye and I love the day date complication with the kanji day wheel!
I own a 147 and a bb58 black and was considering which was a keeper, initially I was blown away by the character of the 147, but over time the quality of the 58 has won out and the 147 will probably go soon
Yeah my feelings for my BB58 blue has been a rollercoaster but I think in the end its a keeper bc of the quality too! Would love to have the 143 to live alongside it tho
Escapement and Watch did the same type of video with the Seiko SPB143 and the Oris Diver 65. They came out with the same score as well 😂 honestly it really shows that Seiko holds its ground when it’s up against “better” brands. I have a 62 mas reinterpretation, the white dial blue bezel, I’m just looking at getting a Tudor now. Great review. I like the dimensions of the Tudor; looks slightly smaller than the Seiko more refined. I’m now looking at the diver 65 and Tudor black bay 58 for my next watch.
Yeah for sure Seiko has that certain x factor that makes their shortcomings not so bad lol! Dials and cases is where Seiko shines the most for sure. The BB58 is great as well especially the bezel clicks and the overall refinement as you said. Although mines not getting wrist time against my BB Pro so actually mines for sale if you're interested! (thewatchidiot@gmail.com)
@@thewatchidiot I am very interested! Thank you 😊 I’ll contact the email.
I great comparison video TWI. Decent scoring criteria set out up front makes this far more interesting. Personally I do not have a Seiko diver (yet) so could not comment on that piece but I do have a BB58 guilt dial and can understand most of your comments. The bracelet on my example fit's a treat but I can understand when a wrist is between bracelet adjustment options it just doesn't feel right. I also find that there is no colour difference between the bracelet and case but I have heard that the case on the blue model looks a tad brighter, I've never compared them though.
If I was to suggest an additional criteria it would be based on "Fit for the job", no change on your scores as they are both divers with 200M water resistance and great lume. The BB58 bezel was already covered early on in the review. The "Fit for the job" criteria could cover anything from dress watch, sports watch, robust watch (come on G-Shock) or a cross between them all.You could even score each watch against all those sub categories and add them up. Keep up the great work as always.
Thanks Anthony, it was tough deciding which categories to include! Yeah the bracelet for me is by far the weakest link even when not including the lack of adjustability which is unfortunate! A watch like this deserves an amazing bracelet and I wish I could experience the way you and other fans of the bracelet experience it!
Fit for the job/ Utility is a great idea for sure bc in the end a watch should be good at what its supposed to do! In this case the Seiko might get a half point bump for having a dive extension i suppose but the beauty of the BB58 bezel might even it out again lol. Im thinking it could be 5 points? Bc its important that a watch fulfills its purpose but i dont think that its necessarily a deal breaker bc watches are bought from the heart. What do you think?
Also are you on instagram? I'm thinking of selling my Leica M3 , and if possible, id love to get your take on it because this will be my first time selling a camera! you can also email me at thewatchidiot@gmail.com if youd like!
@@thewatchidiot I think 5 points is fine for fit for the job but I would consider watches that cover more than one category like sports style dress watch etc. You are completely right though, watch purchases are not made by the brain but the heart. pr we would all be wearing G-Shocks all the time. 😁
The Leica M3 is a classic, if I recall correctly it has a 1:1 magnification viewfinder (i.e. no reduction for wide angle like most do) I also think the widest angle real view is for 35mm lenses. It has the auto switching frame lines that adjust depending on the focal length of the lens though obviously not if a 28mm lens was fitted, that would bring up one of the tele lens lines either 75mm, 90mm or 135 I can't remember. The M3 also had one of the widest effective rangefinder distance for a 35mm miniature camera (more accurate for longer lense focus). The horizontal cloth shutter is near silent in operation and X flash sync was 1/50th of a second (using the old shutter speed scale) or 1/60th (using the moders scale). Film loads from the bottom that is a lot different to many film cameras that have a flip back. If you have any papers like the last service date etc that would add a few $$$. If you have genuine Leica lenses I would list them separately and you will get more in total. I did when I sold my 0.72X M7's a long while back.
I'm not on instagram or twitter and the last time I checked FB was years ago. I don't really miss it as I didn't really use it.
What is your take on Sinn U1 fully tegimented? Would like to hear your opinion
Citizen Promaster - NY0125-83E with BB or SPB143. IMO. Great video again, buddy. Cheers!
I'm glad you enjoyed it and yeah thats a good looking citizen for sure! I definitely have comparison plans for my citizen promaster BN0150 so stay tuned for that. I have a feeling its going to do very well considering how awesome the watch is!
Which one wears smaller in your opinion ? I have smaller 6.5 wrists
Great video bro! Not gonna lie at some points in the video I was like "wtf does he mean!!!"lol and when I saw the final score, I agreed 😂😂. I own both and I think they're both awesome in their respective ways/categories 😊🍻.
Thanks man! lol yeah I knew I'd get some people thinking wtf and thats exactly what I thought when I saw the final score lol! Thats awesome that you own both seems like quite a few people do which clearly means the two can coexist!
@@thewatchidiot 1000% keep up the killer work 😊👊
I would have given the comfortability the same score. While seiko is thicker, the Tudor case has more material at the bottom, making it noticeable when you bend your wrist at times. That being said I wouldn’t want Tudor to take away any steel from the case, it looks great as it is. I would have also given the strap monsterability a higher score for seiko because of the skin diver case. Your last category is spot on the seiko is more fun but for me it’s also because it’s a less expensive watch with diashield so it gives a care-free beater vibe
Yeah both watches are comfortable for sure however I had to dock points from the seiko bc for me the watch head is relatively heavy and sometimes I found it to be a little tiring and some straps couldnt handle the weight whereas the BB58 is just beautifully balanced. But all that being said i still ove the seiko so much and would love to add one to the collection some day for many reasons including the ones you laid out!
seems like you need to check out Uncle Seiko for the half links and/or the jubilee bracelet for the BB58. please make a video if you decided to go that route!
Yesssss I saw the half links and I got one however it came after I recorded the video!! Uncle Seiko is a life saver bc the half link solved my fit problems! However I still have mixed feelings about the bracelet overall. Next step would be to try out his bracelets for sure bc they look awesome! I'll be reaching out to him soon!
I have both and enjoy both for different purposes. BB58 is definitely the better watch, but the seiko is great for casual, beater and as a strap monster
Yeah that's a good split for the two of them! I'd love to own both at well but if only the SPB hat a lower price! And plus everything's changed ever since I got the glorious like SNE569
For Tudor’s bracelet fitting issue, you can add a small piece of leather (I cut a Swatch strap to fit the Y shape) and paste it at the folding part. It will fit perfectly. Simple double sided tapes will secure it really well.
Eddy you are an absolute star bc i saw your double sided tape comment and it solved my everlasting jiggly end link problem on my blue bay! in my loves/hates video I show a clip of how loose it is an how irritating the clicking sound was despite it being on the factory spring bars. The problem was less intense on my Pelagos but it still jiggled.
I cut tiny pieces of double sided tape and stuck them on the end links. problem solved. Thanks to you my man 😁
I did that to a 15202. Even with a $700 1.5 link I couldn’t get a good fit. Crazy what we do and let companies get away with.
@Anthony oh man that must have been so irritating to pretty much resort to jury rigging an RO!
@@thewatchidiot After I did it, for like a dream so no complaining. And I’ve done the same with many other “expensive” watches. My personal preference is caseback stickers that I stack.
Loooool stacking case back stickers is actually a really good idea!!! I'll be sure to keep that in mind although I hope I don't ever have to use it 😂!
Does anyone know a trusted website where I can buy an SPB143? Really wanna buy one as a gift for myself. I’m entering the watch game and I’m not sure at all where to look in terms of purchasing an SPB143. I would really appreciate some advice anyone may be able to offer. Thanks!
I have the SPB147J1. I ordered the bracelet as an extra from Seiko and I have to says its great for the price. Not as good as my Tag Heuers. Tudors are higher quality bracelets but not better design. I have a small wrist and find the bracelet very comfortable. In terms of all my Omegas, Rolexs, Tag Heuers and Tudors, I still think the Seiko SPB14x/62MAS is probably the most perfect diver style ever made
I have a BB 79230n that I wear on OEM leather strap and nato strap. I love ❤️ it
A few notes: For better future benchmarking I would scale up to a 100-score rating instead of 75. In my personal opinion I think more weight should be given to your "Happiness Index". I think people mostly buy luxury watches these days based on how it makes them feel. Also, comparing two very different colors will of course skew the "Strap Monsterability" rating; but I love the overall concept!
Yeah 100 point scale is definitely ideal, I wanted to go for it originally but I wanted to introduce different weights and then at that point there would be way too many categories and the video would get too long lol!
But that's a very good point about the happy index bc like you said a huge part of the purchase decision comes down to how we feel about the watch regardless of the more practical aspects!
So then we'll be up to 80 pts with that and then I think I'll add "fit for purpose" for 5 points as well at 85. 2-3 more categories for 100! Any ideas?
That thumbnail is just beautiful.
Thanks man!! I'm happy to hear that I got it right! 😁
I like a heavy watch feel. Had both of these sold the BB kept the Seiko 👍
I had BB58 black dial. I love the watch, but the bracelet hurts my wrist. I ordered a Christopher Ward’s Rubber strap yesterday. Let’s see how it work
btw if its a matter of fit then check out Uncle seiko's half link. i got one and it fixed my fit issues instantly! there are still things that could be improved about the original bracelet but the half link was a great start
Where are those grey straps from?
I own 2 BB58, the black one and the blue one. Both have very accurate movements, only +2sec/week and I love the style. I am one of the fortunate guys who can use the bracelet without any issues. As long Seiko is not going to improve the QC especially for the pricier models, I prefer staying with Tudor.
Yeah BB58s are wonderful watches for sure! And for me as far as the bracelet's fit is concerned, uncle seiko solved the problem by making a half link for the bracelet! I love seiko but they need to start backing up their raised prices and hopefully QC and bracelet design is where the extra money is going loool!
I have the blue one and it fits perfectly and wears close to the wrist.
Had a BB58 and got bored with it as its the most bland watch I've ever owned. So I sold it and bought an Omega 300 seamaster. As for Seiko, I also have a MM300 that funnily enough was also much better and better looking than my BB58, sorry just my personal opinion 🤷♂️
@Steve Bennett totally agree that the MM300 and the SMP300 are overall better looking and selling my SMP300 is by far my biggest regret and I love wearing my MM300.
But for me sometimes it's nice to wear something that is small, straightforward, and simple and the BB58 fits the bill. But it's far from perfect of course
I agree Tudor wins all day ling on the bracelet. It is as close as you can to owning a Rolex in terms of quality and materials
How about a 3 way rematch between these two watches and an Orient Kamasu.
Usually not a huge fan of Tudor but man this one is stunning. I’ve by eyeing the Seiko but agree it’s just unnecessarily heavy and thick, and the bracelet should be perfect at that price point. I’m sorry but a gap at the endlinks is wholly unacceptable….are they all like that or couldn’t you have returned it due to QC issues??
Tudor BB58 black is soooo beautiful and oozing quality… love mine…
Yeah the black BB58 is a very cool watch for sure the extra character that the red accents and the gilt dial adds is pretty special!
you look like ben clymer. anyway, love your channel. keep it up :)
looool i'll take that! hopefully looking like him can bring about the same success 😂Thanks for the support, lots more to come on the channel!
Both are great watch ⌚
The 6R35 movement is better than the Seiko Specs. I set mine to precise time last Monday, and now a week later I'm a mere 3 seconds fast. My Seiko SPB143 bracelet was fine, but I prefer a rubber strap. Value for money, Seiko is a solid 9.5 for $1000. Top heavy? It's a dive watch lol.
Looool yeah I wasn't expecting that score but it does make sense for your situation. For me if the Seiko had a black dial I think it might have put it over the edge. Shame about the bracelets though
lol yeah i burst out laughing when i added up the scores! Oooooo a classic black dial SPB would be pretty cool especially if it has a sunburst dial like this one! Weirdly enough I think that might edge out the grey dial for me! Yeah if only the bracelets were better, theres always next year i guess
Someone should make up a scoring system for all sorts of specs, crystal, WR, dial, finishing etc and then divide the MSRP by the points allocated to get a point per $ rating.
BlackBay 58 comes in several colors. And is the superb watch in this comparison. * You based a catagory solely on the Seiko being grey. But you can buy 3 or 4 Seikos for the cost. Then again, wearing $1200 vs, $3500 as a daily is less stressful. IMO
Comparison itself was interesting.
it's mad how the bracelet not quite fitting can ruin the whole experience. I have the same thing with my sarbs. Uncle Seiko has half links coming out for both though 🙏
Half link for sarb ? I just searched for it and didn’t see anything online. What’s your source ? I need a half link for my sarb! 😑
yeah its irritating if its a bad bracelet but down right infuriating when its so close to being spot on! Thats awesome that Uncle Seiko is making more half links hes a gem in our watch world!
@@JoeSmith-np6nz from the horse's mouth, my friend. I asked Uncle Seiko on Instagram and they confirmed it's coming, but no ETA
I wish there was a 62mas made with the tudor quality. The tudor just does nothing for me. Its just not appealing. But the tudor with the 62mas bezel dial hand...i would he all over that. Anyone have any suggestions on other divers in the price range?
I’ve got the SEIKO 143 on a nato. Great watch but my Tudor is a P01. I got bored with my BB58’s
Thankfully it looks great on a nato! Ooooooo the P01 is so awesome!! if only it came on a bracelet like the original prototype! the leather strap just didnt work on my wrist at all. What do you wear your P01 on?
@@thewatchidiot I have it on a black Barton silicone strap. Looks and feels much better
Ooooo that's an interesting combo! How are you dealing with the extra length of the strap?
Are you on Instagram? I'd love to see what it looks like, if you're ok with it, please do dm me @the.watch.idiot!
Would love to get your thoughts on the spb239
The 239 is pretty awesome and it really does have quite a bit of character from what I can see from photos and videos. I like the warmth the color of the lume and bezel numerals bring out but I cant be sure whether the dial is just fully black or if it has a touch of brown until I see it in real life. If its fully black then I think it could be a winner for me!
Do you still have the 925? Any updates?
Yeah I've still got it! I'll be doing a 6 month review and tarnish update very soon. its continued to tarnish but I've got lots of new feelings about it now that I've had it for 6 months.
Owning both a spb147 and a spb143 and comparing them against my Tudor, I can tell you the Seiko’s calibration is hit and miss. On my spb143 it keeps time almost as well as my bbb. My spb147, however is losing a minute once I take it off and leave it for the night.
Yeah the potential for terrible accuracy is definitely a huge negative. but oh man losing a minute overnight does seem to be more indicative of a bigger problem, would you want to send it in for warranty work?
@@thewatchidiot planning on doing that. I live in Australia and been in lockdown for months now. Will take it in once the shops open for warranty. I’m guessing it just needs regulation instead of a new movement.
Have the SBDC105, got a oyster bracelet from Miltat/strapcode and the endlink's fit very snug in the lug's, scew pin's, liter bracelet.
Ooooo that sounds like a good combo! I definitely would appreciate the lighter bracelet. Also do you notice the color difference between the regular steel bracelet and the diashield coating of the case? Thats pretty much my only concern
@@thewatchidiot,yes there is a slight colour difference with the diashield, but in varius lite and angles it all blend's together, have another 62 with Miltat/strapcode that is the same result, don't even take notice anymore, hope this help's your choice.
Uncle Seiko sells a half-link for the BB58 :)
Danke!
Not sure why you keep saying these watches are heavy. I own the spb143 and wear it on stock bracelet. I do not notice the weight at all when worn. Maybe if i purposely weigh it on my hand yeh, but i have no problems while wearing it.
It weighs as much as a 42.5mm SKX with a 22mm strapcode bracelet despite being a 40mm watch with a 20mm bracelet. It weighs much more than all of my other 40mm watches (which take up most of my wrist time). But that being said if its comfortable for you then thats awesome!
Tudor is 3 times the price of the Seiko in the UK. I think the SPB143J1 is excellent for the money
That heavy point would be whole different story if you choose Black Bay in 41, which is 15mm thick LOL.
For me SPB143 definitely looks better, however, 6R35 can't compare to MT5402 at all.
Yeah I totally agree! if only the MT5402 was in the SPB...😂
Fyi folks the 62mas is 3x cheaper then the Tudor yet still looks and feels better
Why do people want the end links flush with the lugs? That would look awkward to me.
I really like the video, but I don’t understand why you gave the Seiko a lesser score in the value for money category. The Tudor costs most than double and if you had removed that category, the Seiko would have had a better score. So actually, the Seiko is better or at the same level as a much more expensive watch!
You feel ripped off for paying extra 200 for Seiko bracelet but have no problem paying 3x the price?
I'd like to mention that if anyone that can afford either one and accept the aesthetics of both watches, with no better way to spend the money saved from buying the Seiko instead of the Tudor SHOULD just consider getting the BB58. The Seiko may have the build quality of some entry level Swiss watches, but it's prestige level is diluted by the large portfolio of watches in various price ranges, so it's pretty hard to perceive it at a "luxury" brand, even for a watch enthusiast. It's also facing very stiff competition from Swiss competitors priced equally, such as the Mido Ocean Star heritage for vintage inspired dive watch
There's also a 1 year standard international warranty for Seikos, but a more generous 5 year given by Tudor. Although, It's not such a big deal in some Asian markets, considering that it's incredibly cheap to Service a Seiko where I live. (we're talking like, less than 50USD for a full movement service when we send them to Seiko's authorized service centers)
For me the 62 mas is just a better bang for the buck. There's a reason why the black bays are traded in so often most get bored with them folks it's not a sub replacement
Honestly the Seiko looks much better imho. Tudor is pure class with an amazing movement. For me it's a bit too retro in style. Now pelagos for example i like much better. But I'm not a huge fan of the material. I think the best diver Tudor has rn is the new monochrome Black Bay at 41mm
Tudor BB58, easily, but not the blue one. I mean yeah the blue BB58 is still better than the Seiko, but the black BB58 really pulls at the heartstrings.
Yeah I can totally see how the gilt dial and overall look of the black BB58 can pull at the heart strings! definitely has that extra x factor that is kinda lacking on the blue one
Strap ID at 11:08?
its the blushark pajama strap, its super comfy and stretchy i love it, theres a link to it in the description!
You could buy 4 of the seikos for one of the Tudor
Tudor is a lot nicer.
So I choose it, plus I have the OG58 so kinda gotta be.
Tudor has the edge in terms of the final refinement for sure! Your og58 with the red accents and gilt dial has that extra bit of character that blue is missing
I was expecting the Seiko to win when I saw the comparison. But I thought you were over generous to the Seiko while I watched the vid, the worst was accuracy, when a watch can be as far out as the Seiko I feel it should score about 2
Not sure why Seiko give themselves such latitude. I’ve had many from SKX and 5s to multiple Grand Seiko. They’re never 30 seconds off per day.
Yeah the accuracy range is a bit too wide given the real life results but in the end its a solid and reliable movement which are the most important factors of a movement for me but i do wish Seiko would regulate watches that cost over a grand!
Of course the scores are just for fun and i always factor in someone's taste, preferences and biases into a review but in the future may try to compare two models that are within closer price range. It is easy when there is a large differential for people unfamiliar with these watches to think if they end up so close that the higher priced one isn't worth the money or that they're being mislead to give it a chance. I certainly don't expect the same things for a 100 and 1000 dollar watch but value can become more nuanced
Yeah its always good to watch multiple reviews to get a more general idea of a watch! I'm definitely planning on doing comparisons between similarly priced watches in the future bc theyll be good fun but comparisons like these (different price points) have their place to i believe.
The point system can be misleading for sure if someone only saw the number and didnt see or listen to anything else I said. But i think with context and an explanation for why the category scores are the way they are, this sort of comparison can give new hobbyists an understanding that there are many nuances when it comes to deciding whether or not a watch is supposedly good and that no watch is perfect and finally that it all comes down to value for money! (I think its important to make sure no one thinks a particular watch is better just bc it has a big price tag. Quality can be found at all of price points!😁)
something about the faux rivets on tudor watches that keeps me from getting one.
Yeah it's definitely a polarizing choice I'm indifferent regarding the rivets although I'd prefer not having them. You could get a nato version and then get an uncle seiko or strapcode bracelet! They look awesome and no rivets!
Strap id at 10:20?
Ah yeah thats a hodinkee strap! I believe its the sedona strap in the coyote color. Not exactly sure as it was gifted to me a while ago
Never been a fan of the BB58, over hyped in my opinion. The bracelet fit issue and the faux rivets are a deal breaker. Also the aluminum bezel at that price point is unforgivable.
Yeah the bracelet is a downer for sure especially since the functional issues should be easy to fix. For most watches i would agree with you that an aluminum bezel at this price would be bad, but for the BB58s, I think the look and feel of aluminum suit the vintagey aesthetic perfectly and I most likely wouldnt have bought it if it had a ceramic bezel!
BB58 hater! lovin mine every sec of it... yea i agree the bracelet could've been better... but the Seiko does look good too
Sounds like I'm giving the BB58 too much respect as a hater lol! but yeah if they made the little changes on the bracelet it could have been so close to perfect!
Add a steel date frame would be perfect for the spb143 dial.
Ah yessssss absolutely right cant believe I forgot that! I love date frames especially metal ones😁
Good review, I have a BB58 and I also have the same issue with sizing. I purchased a half link from Uncle Seiko and I have a review coming out this weekend, Check it out if interested, It does make a difference.
You just like the Seiko better..... Totally fair..... But the way you rated them seemed a bit arbitrary..
I would have to say that Tudor versus Seiko is not a dollar to dollar comparison. Clearly tudor is a lot more expensive and the components as well as the manufacturing process is very different than Seiko. Visually they may look the same but i dont think we are comparing apples to apples
Both are a bit overhyped, imho. The Seiko looks fantastic, but.. you named it, and the Tudor, its true, is simply a rather simple watch which I find a little bit uninspiring after a time. I cant stand the snowflake hour hand anyway.
But let's not forget, Black Bay 58 retail is 3950.00, retail for SPB143 is 1200.00. Yes, not really a fair comparison here with a watch 3 times the price.
I have a black BB58 and Spb143...the Seiko is a great "800$" watch, unfortunately not much more than that...the BB58, while much more expensive, offers quite a big chunk of Rolex quality level, while not beeing perfect, its a much, much better watch...let alone rather crappy Seiko movement in comparison.
tudor bb58 no doubt better watch in every way!
Tudor, by far.
Supposedly, the tudor isnt worth 3 times more than the seiko. I dont think so. I think it is appropriately priced otherwise the market will show. Also, if thats true, then the seiko is also not worth 4 times the price of a san martin diver.
Tudor Tudor Tudor, black 58 black 58 black 58. And Tudor black bay 58, so black bay Tudor Tudor 58 bay black!!!!
We get it. You LOVE it. Admire it. Cherish it.
Enough, move on, please 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
BB58 is the better watch, but obv - it's pricier.
Yeah technically its better but if Seiko made the watch a little thinner and actually made a good bracelet the seiko would have been ahead for me! So i guess the answer is get both 😂😂
Oof some butt hurt Tudor fans in the comment section 🤭. Good video dude! Personally don't like the snowflake hour hand so... Haha
loool despite me being a tudor owner saying that tudor exudes quality lol! Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed the video but i think you saying you dont like the snowflake hand is going to trigger some people 😂😂
I think crown feel and winding is a huge missing piece here. There is no comparison there.
Lets be real here. The spb143 is the watch of choice for 90% of the population. You need to be a real watch enthusiast/collector to shell out that much money for a watch
The thing for me is that; Tudor makes some really fine watches, but they have no date.. I can't live without a date complication. I will never buy a Tudor ontil they fix it.
funny you gave the seiko a higher score on uniqueness......it looks like all the other seiko divers!
What?
Not sure which divers you're thinking of bc, as far as I know, other than the other 62MAS inspired divers, the full rectangle indices and skin diver case don't exist in any other seiko diver. This plays a big part in the SPB143s popularity!
@@thewatchidiot yeah in the end its pretty unique in the seiko universe.