I love how you mentioned that Korean functional cosmetics have a next to zero chance of containing contaminants like lead and mercury. Too many times I've come across cases in India and the Philippines where the "whitening products" were laced with these chemicals for "effectiveness". Chanel News Asia did a mini documentary on it , the episode (which is available on CZcams) talks of how heavy metals , steroids and glutathione injections are predominant in the Philippines .
I agree with all of this, except to bring up the fact that glutathione is great for the body. However, IV's and injections are too far for skin color, in my opinion. I like glutathione in lotions 😊
I'm fascinated by the topic of cultural differences. I love how "neutral" you were and explained the origin of the beauty standard. You've clarified certain details that are very important. I'm going to check that label on my products for sure! Thank you, Odile!
Thank you, I can't wait for the second part! I wonder why was azelaic acid banned. It is highly recommended by dermatologists in other countries, especially as a replacement for retinol during pregnancy. I started using a product with azelaic acid recently and I have already seen great results. As I am in Korea, I have to buy those products feom abroad. Oh, and salicylic acid too, it is not allowed over 0.5%. But in the end this just shows Korean products are trustworthy and safe.
Thank you ❤ The general approach of the MFDS of the last 10 years has basically been "Let’s ban anything that could be even remotely irritating". So when Canada banned Azelaic Acid due to concerns of skin irritation, they immediately followed suit without disclosing the reason of the ban to the general public. I think this approach stems from the panic that followed the 2011 scandal on toxic humidifiers that led to the death of 14000 people in Korea, from that moment the main selling of consumer goods (not just cosmetics) in Korea has mostly been "toxic-free", "natural", "EWG-approved" etc. The MFDS ran many campaigns over the years to reassure the general public that cosmetics are safe to use, but there are still many people that don't buy anything unless the ingredients are "EWG green grade", so I think the MFDS decided the extra-safe approach was the way to go 🤔
you really lifted the veil on this topic! So many people associate these types of products with people "trying to become white" when it's really more about trying to maintain a single and natural skin tone. Hyperpigmentation doesn't evenly affect the body, so it can be aesthetically unappealing. The counterargument that the person can tan themselves all over to match the darker tone also misses the point about taking care of their skin and getting a tan would involve skin damage. Using fake tans would also merely be a band-aid type of solution, as using skincare that prevents the tan is a proactive approach to maintaining an even skin tone as well as preventing skin damage.
For my beloved cosmetic regulatory geeks out there 😎: Azelaic Acid (officially “1,7-heptanecarboxylic acid, its salts and derivatives”) was banned for cosmetic use in June 2017, but the Korean Ministry of Food Drug Safety granted companies a transitional period until May 2019 to allow brands and importers to reformulate or discontinue products. During this transitional period, products with Azelaic Acid could still be sold and imported in Korea. Hydroquinone was allowed in OTC drugs until October 2019, when it became prescription-only. Details can be found in Art. 6 of Regulations on Cosmetic Safety Standards (화장품 안전기준 등에 관한 규정) linked in description, but you can also find the original announcements on the website of the Korean Ministry of Food And Drug Safety below: - Azelaic Acid www.mfds.go.kr/brd/m_207/view.do?seq=13109 - Hydroquinone www.mfds.go.kr/brd/m_211/view.do?seq=14376
I think it would be interesting to see Videos of the other 4 Functioning Regulations. This way we all would learn even more about the Korean Cosmetic Marketing
Noted, thank you for letting me know! If it helps, I already covered the approval process of sunscreens in my video on the sunscreen controversy so there are 3 more categories for me to cover 😎
Thank you! The MFDS didn't disclose the reason why Azelaic Acid was banned, many journalists assumed they just wanted to follow Canada's footsteps and ban it due to risk of skin irritation.
I wonder if "mibaek" (beautiful white) could be compared with the English word "fair", which means both beautiful and pale/light-colored (hair or skin). Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Skin yes. Not hair. Many Asians. Japanese/Korean/Chinese like the idea of being fair. Not in terms like bleaching your skin tone fair or those but like using products and sunscreen to maintain and keep fairness. Its the beauty standards here like how Westerners like sun tanning/fuller lips/big booty.
Honestly I'd rather be vampirey white than ghoulish gray as I am prone to look. I can never be a dark skinned beauty. Been using the supposedly whitening Missha Sulbon cream and it actually gave me brighter complexion, I suppose this was the goal.
Phenomenal video as usual Odile. Please do the video on the origin of the beauty standards. I'd be very interested and thanks for another very informative video!
You might want to check out Odile's video called "100 years of Korean Beauty: the birth of modern Korean Beauty Standards" czcams.com/video/QocCzJNcLxQ/video.html It is part of a 4 video series in this channel called "History of Korean Beauty". I highly recommend it.
Another super interesting and informative video, can't wait for part two!🎉 I'd be interested in the history of the beauty standard. Also, love your hair color and overall look!😍
I just wanted to say you're one of my favorite skincare content creators out there, everything is extremely professional and informative. Moreover it comes from a really unique perspective and most importantly to me, all your videos are so joy-inducing and fun. I just purchased the Donginbi 1899 Single Extract Essence because you talked about it in one of your videos, and I've been just adoring it, what a difference I've felt it made in just a few days. I've always been curious about Ginseng for skin but always thought there was a lot of hype and maybe some outrageous or fraudulent claims in the marketing. But your video was able to let me know what to look for when purchasing a Ginseng product. Thank you so much for that, I'll admit I've always had an aversion to the word whitening and always wondered why it was used in K-beauty, thanks for clearing this up too lol. Keep the great content coming!
Thank you, I really appreciate it 🙏 It hurts to say this, but I find that a lot of newer smaller brands use traditional ingredients with a genuine history of medicinal use in Asia only as "marketing ingredients" (as in: very diluted extracts, poor quality raw materials etc etc) to appeal to foreigners. Ginseng is one of Korea's main exports so luckily we have lots of literature on the topic, the different varieties, processing methods etc but the same principles I talked about in my first video on Ginseng also apply to other Hanbang herbs. For instance not all varieties of Artemisia or Centella asiatica have the same properties, it's a basic concept of Oriental Medicine and the reason why in part 1 of my guide to Hanbang skincare I explained that judging this type of products by their ingredient lists doesn't many any sense. I think a big issue with the Korean beauty industry is that there are no specific regulations on sourcing natural ingredients from foreign countries, so on the one hand you have companies like Donginbi/Whoo/Missha that source their raw materials from what are considered the "golden grade' suppliers of Hanbang medicinal herbs in Korea, on the other hand you have small no-name brands that import the same ingredient for a cheaper price from foreign countries where regulations on Oriental Medicine plants are not as stringent as in Korea. In the end, both groups of brands are allowed to market their products using the same ingredient name and the same claims, and it becomes very hard to communicate to a foreign audience that might not be necessarily familiar with Oriental Medicine, that there's a difference between a 40 USD essence made with double-fermented Artemisia Annua from Ganghwa and a 20 USD essence with an unidentified variety of the Artemisia plant sourced from who knows where. And don’t get me wrong, one can definitely find affordable and effective skincare products, but natural ingredients are some of the trickiest raw materials in beauty, there are so many factors that affect the properties (and in turn, prices) of these ingredients.
@@OdileMonodTheMonodist Thank you so much, 😊 your thoughtful reply touched my heart and has left with much to think about. I fully agree that you cannot receive the entire information on a product from an ingredient list however I still look them up, because for a while now since discovering I’m a DSNW in Baumann lingo (another great contribution to my skin’s life your videos have made for me) I tend to regulate or control the amount of volatile-alcohol/fragrance/essential oil that’s in my routine. I don’t completely avoid it since fragrance can enhance joy/experience and alcohol makes ingredients like retinol penetrate the skin better. However, I digress. In one of my ingredient list hunts I noticed that the beloved or buzzed about (at least by non Koreans) Mugwort Essence by I’m From lists a different type of Mugwort than the one by Missha. One is labeled is A, Princeps and the other is A, Annua. But they’re both labeled as the same in the marketing as offering the same benefits, which made me wish for some clarity, so I started doing some research on my own on these varieties, but when it comes to finding information online on herbal extracts and their use on skin, it’s hard to tell whether or not the information you’re finding is legitimate or just unverified marketing claims. I wish there existed a trustworthy and comprehensive source of information on these extracts available online, not only on their studied through time benefits, but also best extraction methods and places of sourcing. In the meantime, while that happens I count myself lucky for the amount of clarity and useful information you provide. Thank you so much yet again.
Such a great topic to discuss. I love that you're being intentional on your opinion as it being objective. This is a very touchy subject that is needed to be discussed further and I'd love to learn more about the history that lead the market to this kind of products!
Thank you 🙏 I knew it was a sensitive subject so I wanted to make sure to not send the wrong message and at same not acting judgemental /entitled about a culture that is not mine to begin with.
@@OdileMonodTheMonodist Thanks to your insight, we now are better educated consumers. You had the courage to not stay silent. Which in my mind, is the best way forward when it comes to issues of race and perceptions of beauty.
Such a great video-I love hearing the history and background of products/ingredients as well as the regulatory information too. Looking forward to part two ♥️
I was told that it's because in the past the rich didn't do jobs were they'll spend a lot of time in the sun but the poor did, thus, it led to poor ppl being darker than the rich. So darker skin became associated with poverty.
Your channel convinced me into ordering the whole Bichup line ;d I'm 32, with sensitive skin prone to dryness and -during the pms - acne. The worst is however how sunken, gray and lifeless it looks especially in winter. I'm eyeing the Hwahuyn line, as well as the double primer.
🥰 I hope it lives up to expectations. I'm working on a massive guide on all the different lines by History of Whoo that will be out in March, just in case you need any more reasons to get the Hwahyun line 🤣
What an erudite discussion! Although the whole bihaku/mibaek concept is about having even toned skin without hyperpigmentation, it has been misconstrued by others. (Honestly though, have they never heard of tone up cream? Or have they never seen a Kurosawa film?😂) And actually hydroquinone is BANNED in Japan ( Haku, Pola etc are kojic acid based) and strictly regulated in Korea, so it's not like it is being misused in K beauty products. I have used Cos de Baha which is made in Korea but marketed outside Korea, and they have both an azelaic acid serum and a hydroquinone serum (both below prescrition strength). The serums are effective. I think if a person has proper instruction on how to use these products it would be ok (some people really struggle with melasma). It becomes problematic when they are used improperly and for the wtong reasons, or when products are contaminated with heavy metals.
Indeed! I've always thought a big part of this discourse around skin whitening in Asia was due to foreign commenters assuming non-white people would go to extreme lengths just to look white. That, and the idea that everything that doesn't come from the ~civilised~ West is dangerous/extreme/bad quality 🤧
Another very informative video. You really are very interesting to listen to, and I always know I'm going to learn something I didn't know before when I watch your videos. I would really enjoy watching a video about the beauty standard of white skin in Korea as well. I think you could give more insight on the subject compared to what most people have stated in the past. Many thanks for all your hard work and research, I will definitely follow you from this point on :)
🙏🙏🙏 Thank you so much for the kind words, I'm glad this type of in-depth beauty content has an audience because that's something I'm always worried about 😅
Great video, always so informative! I ordered the History of Whoo Bichup Self-Generating Anti-Aging Essence that you suggested and am really liking it. Looking forward to part 2 of this series. My wallet is not :P lol
It's very rich so I'm inclined to say no. If it helps, History of Whoo has a hydrating line with little to any oil called "Gongjinhyang Soo". I'm working on a dedicated video on all their lines that will be out soon if you’re interested 😊
Love the video! Super information and very useful! Since you have such expertise in this field, do you have any reason why ascorbic acid is not listed as a 미백 기능성 성분. I see a lot of Korean companies adding niacinamide in the formulation to make this claim but I always thought that ascorbic acid (with the right ph and between 10 to 20%) was one of the most well proven ingredients that help with hyperpigmentation. Can't wait to see your next videos!
Thank you 🙏 It's an assumption on my end, but I always thought that they didn't include ascorbic acid simply because there are too many variables that affect its effectiveness like you noted. The approved functional ingredients (whitening or else) were approved based on the fact that they show effectiveness when used over a certain amount, without considering pH or other factors, while with ascorbic acid things are more complicated 🤔
Coke kept the name even though there's no more cocaine in there. So I don't see why it would be called brightening simply because they don't use dangerous chemicals. honestly I never really understood why people would say brightening and try to pretend like their skin wasn't lightened. every time you see one of those brightening before and afters it's always apparent that the skin is lighter in the after but they refuse to use the word lighten or whiten when that's clearly what's happening. I think in countries that have a lot of actual dark-skinned people it might be necessary to make the distinction because when you think of whitening you think of Sammy Sosa or something. Like you think of really dark skinned people becoming super light skinned basically which is obviously not what 미백 products do. But 미백 don't need to do that because korean people aren't actually dark skinned. They're not trying to go from Fitzpatrick 6 to 1.
I believe that Koreans are smart enough to accept that there is no way to change the natural skin tone, they want to keep it as uniform as possible, whitening pores and makeup comes only as an aesthetic. In Europe it happens a lot, but with tanning hahaha.
Hello Odile! I wonder about Korean brand Cos de Baha. They have serums which are claimed to have Azelaic acid and Hydroquinone. How it’s possible if those ingredients are banned in Korea? Or companies still can produce the products with them for international market?)
Export-only products (as in products made in Korea but not sold in Korea) do not follow Korean regulations but the regulations of the designated importanting country (in this case, most likely USA). Cos de Baha likes describing their brand as a Korean beauty brand but their products are not actually sold in Korea. If it helps, I talked about this regulatory "loophole" in this thread twitter.com/odilemonod/status/1400524172434972672?t=zRe_5HjmnbAaNfUG3Qi9cQ&s=19
Yes thank you for speaking in terms of how culture/history affects our usage of words. A lot of times we aren’t pressured to look like another race like how Americans or western countries may be. It is just our history and culture here. It not a white supremacy thing here. Maybe somewhere in like colonialism there may be influence but honestly, most asians won’t think that wanting to be fair in a bad thing. Its the beauty standard here. Like how Americans love lip fillers/big booty. You know. Stop looking at asians with the lens of westerners and American.
I'm so sad by how white/pale skin is looked down upon by so many. Everyone is ok with tanning, but people who prefer a lighter skin color are somehow 'racists'?
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I love how you mentioned that Korean functional cosmetics have a next to zero chance of containing contaminants like lead and mercury. Too many times I've come across cases in India and the Philippines where the "whitening products" were laced with these chemicals for "effectiveness". Chanel News Asia did a mini documentary on it , the episode (which is available on CZcams) talks of how heavy metals , steroids and glutathione injections are predominant in the Philippines .
I agree with all of this, except to bring up the fact that glutathione is great for the body. However, IV's and injections are too far for skin color, in my opinion. I like glutathione in lotions 😊
@@thehumancomedy3891which lotion are you using. Does your skin tone goes back to original if you’d stop using? 🙏🏼
I'm fascinated by the topic of cultural differences. I love how "neutral" you were and explained the origin of the beauty standard. You've clarified certain details that are very important. I'm going to check that label on my products for sure! Thank you, Odile!
My pleasure 🙏 I'm glad it could be helpful 😊
I literally jumped from my chair to watch on a bigger screen ( TV ) the new content from Odile!!!! As always, informative and useful!!!!👍👍👍😀😀
😁😁😁😁 Thank you so much! I love the enthusiasm ❤
Thank you, I can't wait for the second part! I wonder why was azelaic acid banned. It is highly recommended by dermatologists in other countries, especially as a replacement for retinol during pregnancy. I started using a product with azelaic acid recently and I have already seen great results. As I am in Korea, I have to buy those products feom abroad. Oh, and salicylic acid too, it is not allowed over 0.5%. But in the end this just shows Korean products are trustworthy and safe.
Thank you ❤ The general approach of the MFDS of the last 10 years has basically been "Let’s ban anything that could be even remotely irritating". So when Canada banned Azelaic Acid due to concerns of skin irritation, they immediately followed suit without disclosing the reason of the ban to the general public. I think this approach stems from the panic that followed the 2011 scandal on toxic humidifiers that led to the death of 14000 people in Korea, from that moment the main selling of consumer goods (not just cosmetics) in Korea has mostly been "toxic-free", "natural", "EWG-approved" etc. The MFDS ran many campaigns over the years to reassure the general public that cosmetics are safe to use, but there are still many people that don't buy anything unless the ingredients are "EWG green grade", so I think the MFDS decided the extra-safe approach was the way to go 🤔
you really lifted the veil on this topic!
So many people associate these types of products with people "trying to become white"
when it's really more about trying to maintain a single and natural skin tone.
Hyperpigmentation doesn't evenly affect the body, so it can be aesthetically unappealing.
The counterargument that the person can tan themselves all over to match the darker tone also misses the
point about taking care of their skin and getting a tan would involve skin damage.
Using fake tans would also merely be a band-aid type of solution, as using skincare that prevents the tan is a proactive approach to maintaining an even skin tone as well as preventing skin damage.
For my beloved cosmetic regulatory geeks out there 😎: Azelaic Acid (officially “1,7-heptanecarboxylic acid, its salts and derivatives”) was banned for cosmetic use in June 2017, but the Korean Ministry of Food Drug Safety granted companies a transitional period until May 2019 to allow brands and importers to reformulate or discontinue products. During this transitional period, products with Azelaic Acid could still be sold and imported in Korea.
Hydroquinone was allowed in OTC drugs until October 2019, when it became prescription-only.
Details can be found in Art. 6 of Regulations on Cosmetic Safety Standards (화장품 안전기준 등에 관한 규정) linked in description, but you can also find the original announcements on the website of the Korean Ministry of Food And Drug Safety below:
- Azelaic Acid www.mfds.go.kr/brd/m_207/view.do?seq=13109
- Hydroquinone www.mfds.go.kr/brd/m_211/view.do?seq=14376
I think it would be interesting to see Videos of the other 4 Functioning Regulations. This way we all would learn even more about the Korean Cosmetic Marketing
What was the reason Azelaic acid was banned in South Korea?
Very informative and interesting videos, thank you!
Noted, thank you for letting me know! If it helps, I already covered the approval process of sunscreens in my video on the sunscreen controversy so there are 3 more categories for me to cover 😎
Thank you! The MFDS didn't disclose the reason why Azelaic Acid was banned, many journalists assumed they just wanted to follow Canada's footsteps and ban it due to risk of skin irritation.
I wonder if "mibaek" (beautiful white) could be compared with the English word "fair", which means both beautiful and pale/light-colored (hair or skin). Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Skin yes. Not hair. Many Asians. Japanese/Korean/Chinese like the idea of being fair. Not in terms like bleaching your skin tone fair or those but like using products and sunscreen to maintain and keep fairness. Its the beauty standards here like how Westerners like sun tanning/fuller lips/big booty.
Honestly I'd rather be vampirey white than ghoulish gray as I am prone to look. I can never be a dark skinned beauty. Been using the supposedly whitening Missha Sulbon cream and it actually gave me brighter complexion, I suppose this was the goal.
Thank You for thoroughly explaining the “whitening” terminology in KBeauty products. Love all your videos 😍😍
🙏🙏 Thank you, I really appreciate it 😊
Phenomenal video as usual Odile. Please do the video on the origin of the beauty standards. I'd be very interested and thanks for another very informative video!
You might want to check out Odile's video called "100 years of Korean Beauty: the birth of modern Korean Beauty Standards" czcams.com/video/QocCzJNcLxQ/video.html It is part of a 4 video series in this channel called "History of Korean Beauty". I highly recommend it.
Noted! Thank you so much for the lovely words and support 🙏
Another super interesting and informative video, can't wait for part two!🎉 I'd be interested in the history of the beauty standard. Also, love your hair color and overall look!😍
🥰❤ aww thank you so much!
I just wanted to say you're one of my favorite skincare content creators out there, everything is extremely professional and informative. Moreover it comes from a really unique perspective and most importantly to me, all your videos are so joy-inducing and fun. I just purchased the Donginbi 1899 Single Extract Essence because you talked about it in one of your videos, and I've been just adoring it, what a difference I've felt it made in just a few days. I've always been curious about Ginseng for skin but always thought there was a lot of hype and maybe some outrageous or fraudulent claims in the marketing. But your video was able to let me know what to look for when purchasing a Ginseng product. Thank you so much for that, I'll admit I've always had an aversion to the word whitening and always wondered why it was used in K-beauty, thanks for clearing this up too lol. Keep the great content coming!
Thank you, I really appreciate it 🙏 It hurts to say this, but I find that a lot of newer smaller brands use traditional ingredients with a genuine history of medicinal use in Asia only as "marketing ingredients" (as in: very diluted extracts, poor quality raw materials etc etc) to appeal to foreigners.
Ginseng is one of Korea's main exports so luckily we have lots of literature on the topic, the different varieties, processing methods etc but the same principles I talked about in my first video on Ginseng also apply to other Hanbang herbs. For instance not all varieties of Artemisia or Centella asiatica have the same properties, it's a basic concept of Oriental Medicine and the reason why in part 1 of my guide to Hanbang skincare I explained that judging this type of products by their ingredient lists doesn't many any sense.
I think a big issue with the Korean beauty industry is that there are no specific regulations on sourcing natural ingredients from foreign countries, so on the one hand you have companies like Donginbi/Whoo/Missha that source their raw materials from what are considered the "golden grade' suppliers of Hanbang medicinal herbs in Korea, on the other hand you have small no-name brands that import the same ingredient for a cheaper price from foreign countries where regulations on Oriental Medicine plants are not as stringent as in Korea. In the end, both groups of brands are allowed to market their products using the same ingredient name and the same claims, and it becomes very hard to communicate to a foreign audience that might not be necessarily familiar with Oriental Medicine, that there's a difference between a 40 USD essence made with double-fermented Artemisia Annua from Ganghwa and a 20 USD essence with an unidentified variety of the Artemisia plant sourced from who knows where.
And don’t get me wrong, one can definitely find affordable and effective skincare products, but natural ingredients are some of the trickiest raw materials in beauty, there are so many factors that affect the properties (and in turn, prices) of these ingredients.
@@OdileMonodTheMonodist Thank you so much, 😊 your thoughtful reply touched my heart and has left with much to think about.
I fully agree that you cannot receive the entire information on a product from an ingredient list however I still look them up, because for a while now since discovering I’m a DSNW in Baumann lingo (another great contribution to my skin’s life your videos have made for me) I tend to regulate or control the amount of volatile-alcohol/fragrance/essential oil that’s in my routine. I don’t completely avoid it since fragrance can enhance joy/experience and alcohol makes ingredients like retinol penetrate the skin better. However, I digress.
In one of my ingredient list hunts I noticed that the beloved or buzzed about (at least by non Koreans) Mugwort Essence by I’m From lists a different type of Mugwort than the one by Missha. One is labeled is A, Princeps and the other is A, Annua. But they’re both labeled as the same in the marketing as offering the same benefits, which made me wish for some clarity, so I started doing some research on my own on these varieties, but when it comes to finding information online on herbal extracts and their use on skin, it’s hard to tell whether or not the information you’re finding is legitimate or just unverified marketing claims. I wish there existed a trustworthy and comprehensive source of information on these extracts available online, not only on their studied through time benefits, but also best extraction methods and places of sourcing.
In the meantime, while that happens I count myself lucky for the amount of clarity and useful information you provide. Thank you so much yet again.
Such a great topic to discuss. I love that you're being intentional on your opinion as it being objective. This is a very touchy subject that is needed to be discussed further and I'd love to learn more about the history that lead the market to this kind of products!
Thank you 🙏 I knew it was a sensitive subject so I wanted to make sure to not send the wrong message and at same not acting judgemental /entitled about a culture that is not mine to begin with.
Odile, what a brilliant way to treat such a controversial subject! Kuddos to you!
🙏🙏 Thank you, I was a little worried this video could hurt someone's sentiments so I tried to be extra careful not to send the wrong message.
@@OdileMonodTheMonodist Thanks to your insight, we now are better educated consumers. You had the courage to not stay silent. Which in my mind, is the best way forward when it comes to issues of race and perceptions of beauty.
Such a great video-I love hearing the history and background of products/ingredients as well as the regulatory information too. Looking forward to part two ♥️
Odile I'm definitely interested in a video about the origin of white/fair skin standard in East Asia.
super interesting! I love to hear the reason why white skin is a historical beauty marker in east-Asian countries!
I was told that it's because in the past the rich didn't do jobs were they'll spend a lot of time in the sun but the poor did, thus, it led to poor ppl being darker than the rich. So darker skin became associated with poverty.
So it cemented the perception of lighter skin tones with being rich/successful/a comfortable lifestyle and darker skin with hardship/poverty.
Your channel convinced me into ordering the whole Bichup line ;d I'm 32, with sensitive skin prone to dryness and -during the pms - acne. The worst is however how sunken, gray and lifeless it looks especially in winter. I'm eyeing the Hwahuyn line, as well as the double primer.
🥰 I hope it lives up to expectations. I'm working on a massive guide on all the different lines by History of Whoo that will be out in March, just in case you need any more reasons to get the Hwahyun line 🤣
Not only is brown and black color spectrums more beautiful but it us profound and the eu melanin protects you from the sun's radiation win, win.
I would love a video about the origin of Korean beauty standards 😍
Yes I would be very interested in a dedicated video about history of beauty standouts
Noted! Thank you for letting me know 🙏
Great information; I look forward your next week’s video.
Thank you so much 🥰🥰
Looking forward to part 2. Thank you for your informative video.
Thank you! 🥰
CZcams killed my comment I spent ages working on. 😭
Anyway, I enjoyed the video and I'm looking forward to part two.
0:21 I love how u swear with that straight smiley face😀
You really take my K-beauty knowledge to the next level! Thank you so much for your well-researched videos
Hahaha thank you! I try my best 😁
Very informative video. Your voice is so relaxing Odile! i'd like to learn about the history of korean beauty standard.
Noted 😎 Thank you very much, I'm happy to hear it was interesting
Yes for beauty standards! Like your analysis.
Noted! Thank you for letting me know ❤
The same here!! Hydroquinone and Azelaic Acid is prescription only, doesn’t available in over the counter product.
What an erudite discussion! Although the whole bihaku/mibaek concept is about having even toned skin without hyperpigmentation, it has been misconstrued by others. (Honestly though, have they never heard of tone up cream? Or have they never seen a Kurosawa film?😂)
And actually hydroquinone is BANNED in Japan ( Haku, Pola etc are kojic acid based) and strictly regulated in Korea, so it's not like it is being misused in K beauty products.
I have used Cos de Baha which is made in Korea but marketed outside Korea, and they have both an azelaic acid serum and a hydroquinone serum (both below prescrition strength). The serums are effective. I think if a person has proper instruction on how to use these products it would be ok (some people really struggle with melasma). It becomes problematic when they are used improperly and for the wtong reasons, or when products are contaminated with heavy metals.
Indeed! I've always thought a big part of this discourse around skin whitening in Asia was due to foreign commenters assuming non-white people would go to extreme lengths just to look white. That, and the idea that everything that doesn't come from the ~civilised~ West is dangerous/extreme/bad quality 🤧
tysm for the video ! as usual soooo imformative ! ah ps i would love to see a separate video on the origins of this beauty standard :)
Noted, thank you so much for letting me know and for the kind words 🙏🙏
Always love your informative video, thank you!
My pleasure! Thank you very much for the lovely comment 🥰
Another very informative video. You really are very interesting to listen to, and I always know I'm going to learn something I didn't know before when I watch your videos.
I would really enjoy watching a video about the beauty standard of white skin in Korea as well. I think you could give more insight on the subject compared to what most people have stated in the past.
Many thanks for all your hard work and research, I will definitely follow you from this point on :)
🙏🙏🙏 Thank you so much for the kind words, I'm glad this type of in-depth beauty content has an audience because that's something I'm always worried about 😅
Your videos are simply perfect, thank you!
Thank you for the lovely comment 🥰
Great video, always so informative! I ordered the History of Whoo Bichup Self-Generating Anti-Aging Essence that you suggested and am really liking it. Looking forward to part 2 of this series. My wallet is not :P lol
Is it suitable for oily acne prone skin
Thank you ❤ I hope it lives up to expectations! Personally, it's my desert island Korean beauty product 😁
It's very rich so I'm inclined to say no. If it helps, History of Whoo has a hydrating line with little to any oil called "Gongjinhyang Soo". I'm working on a dedicated video on all their lines that will be out soon if you’re interested 😊
Very informative. Thank you.
Thank you, glad to hear it was helpful 🙏
Love the video! Super information and very useful! Since you have such expertise in this field, do you have any reason why ascorbic acid is not listed as a 미백 기능성 성분. I see a lot of Korean companies adding niacinamide in the formulation to make this claim but I always thought that ascorbic acid (with the right ph and between 10 to 20%) was one of the most well proven ingredients that help with hyperpigmentation. Can't wait to see your next videos!
Thank you 🙏 It's an assumption on my end, but I always thought that they didn't include ascorbic acid simply because there are too many variables that affect its effectiveness like you noted. The approved functional ingredients (whitening or else) were approved based on the fact that they show effectiveness when used over a certain amount, without considering pH or other factors, while with ascorbic acid things are more complicated 🤔
Your English is so good
Your videos are so amazing. Can you make a video on brightening products?
Thank you! As always your videos have the best information of kbeauty products! you are amazing!
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Such a useful video 😊
Coke kept the name even though there's no more cocaine in there. So I don't see why it would be called brightening simply because they don't use dangerous chemicals. honestly I never really understood why people would say brightening and try to pretend like their skin wasn't lightened. every time you see one of those brightening before and afters it's always apparent that the skin is lighter in the after but they refuse to use the word lighten or whiten when that's clearly what's happening. I think in countries that have a lot of actual dark-skinned people it might be necessary to make the distinction because when you think of whitening you think of Sammy Sosa or something. Like you think of really dark skinned people becoming super light skinned basically which is obviously not what 미백 products do. But 미백 don't need to do that because korean people aren't actually dark skinned. They're not trying to go from Fitzpatrick 6 to 1.
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Could you please tell us safe products I cannot see it in description 😥
And do you have a whitening skin product you recommend?
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Where can I get these products from. I have looking for the best ones that would help me with my dark spots. I'd like to try these products.
The links are all in description 😊
Which types of skin treatment are taken in korea for skin brightening or whitening? What should i say?🤭🤭🤭
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I believe that Koreans are smart enough to accept that there is no way to change the natural skin tone, they want to keep it as uniform as possible, whitening pores and makeup comes only as an aesthetic. In Europe it happens a lot, but with tanning hahaha.
Wow I see
Hello Odile! I wonder about Korean brand Cos de Baha. They have serums which are claimed to have Azelaic acid and Hydroquinone. How it’s possible if those ingredients are banned in Korea? Or companies still can produce the products with them for international market?)
Export-only products (as in products made in Korea but not sold in Korea) do not follow Korean regulations but the regulations of the designated importanting country (in this case, most likely USA). Cos de Baha likes describing their brand as a Korean beauty brand but their products are not actually sold in Korea. If it helps, I talked about this regulatory "loophole" in this thread twitter.com/odilemonod/status/1400524172434972672?t=zRe_5HjmnbAaNfUG3Qi9cQ&s=19
@@OdileMonodTheMonodist thanks a lot for your answer! I was a little confused)
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Yes thank you for speaking in terms of how culture/history affects our usage of words.
A lot of times we aren’t pressured to look like another race like how Americans or western countries may be. It is just our history and culture here. It not a white supremacy thing here. Maybe somewhere in like colonialism there may be influence but honestly, most asians won’t think that wanting to be fair in a bad thing. Its the beauty standard here. Like how Americans love lip fillers/big booty. You know.
Stop looking at asians with the lens of westerners and American.
I'm so sad by how white/pale skin is looked down upon by so many. Everyone is ok with tanning, but people who prefer a lighter skin color are somehow 'racists'?
Don't make a fool of yourself.
I agree with you , but i dont want pale skin i just want 4 or 5 shades lighter 🥰
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LOL, Whitening being a bad word like a slur is pretty hilarious. The self hatred of some people is pathetic.