The Morgenthau Plan: How Germany Was NOT Divided After World War II
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- The Morgenthau Plan was a plan to partition Germany. This plan was drafted near the end of World War II by Henry Morgenthau Jr. who was assisted by Harry Dexter White. Germany would be divided into a Northern German and Southern German State. Also there would be an international zones. Others plans, drafted by Theodore N. Kaufman, Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt, were also considered. Eventually the Morgenthau Plan was not carried out. In this video you will learn why.
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Don't forget Denmark and Norway?
Regarding the Morgenthau Plan, you have done an exceptionally good job. Hardly anyone wants to talk about the Morgenthau Plan today. When US Secretary of State Hull was informed of Morgenthau's plan, he wrote: “A deindustrialisation of Germany is hardly feasible, because it would mean deporting a great many Germans and probably killing many people. Under these circumstances. Hull firmly rejected to divide Germany: "Since its inception, the United States has held the fundamental conviction that all people have the right to live freely and seek their own happiness, and according to the Atlantic Charter, both the victors and the defeated are equally entitled to economic prosperity. However, the treatment of Germany proposed by Morgenthau, if at all feasible, would deliberately deprive many millions of people of the right to freedom from want and freedom from fear. This will shake the confidence of other peoples of the world in our principles and in the effectiveness of our economic and political measures against the defeated". Together with British Foreign Secretary Anthony Eden, Hull protested against Henry Morgenthaus' plans, explicitly calling them "a crime against civilisation".
Just like Hull, US Secretary of War Henry L. Stimpson rejected a collective revenge" as "senseless and dangerous". In a memorandum to President Roosevelt on 25 August 1944, he wrote: "I also cannot agree that one of our war aims should be to keep the Germans at the level of the minimum subsistence level. The German people would be condemned to slavery and would find it difficult to maintain their position in the world economy, even through extreme diligence. The consequences would be new tensions and resentment which would far outweigh the current advantage of security and, moreover, the guilt of the Nazis would be relegated to the background". Two days after Germany's unconditional surrender, on May 10, 1945, the new US President Harry S. Truman signed the U.S. Occupation Statute JCS 1067. Henry Morgenthau triumphantly told his staff that this was a great day for him, adding: "We are very proud of this. "Hopefully no one will find my handwriting in this document".
Not a single step must be taken towards Germany's economic recovery", this is clearly stated in the occupation statutes under the abbreviation JCS 1067. Furthermore, JCS 1067 states that hunger, disease and civil unrest among the German population must only be countered if they pose a threat to the occupying forces. Morgenthau gave the direct instruction that the occupation statutes JCS 1067 are to be applied with all severity.
Looking back, the US High Commissioner in Germany, General Lucius D. Clay, wrote in his book "Decision in Germany"(1950): "It seemed obvious to us even then that Germany would starve if it could not produce for export and that immediate steps would have to be taken to revive industrial production". Lewis Douglas, chief adviser to General Lucius Clay, was also a staunch opponent of the JCS statutes 1067 : "This thing was put together by economic idiots. It makes no sense to prohibit the most qualified workers in Europe from producing as much as possible on a continent that lacks everything". This was his harsh criticism. You will find more in my article: harte-facts.com/2020/06/08/finis-germaniae/
I estimate that a Dutch historian takes a critical look at the Morgenthauplan. In view of the occupation of the Netherlands and crimes against the population durinng the war, the author of the programme shows a sovereign and objective attitude.
Thanks for taking the time to write such an elaborate response.
@@goldenhawk352 I would be very interested in that paper, becaus I work on this subnjet
This plan was eventually implemented fully in Africa
@@kmakiable no it was not, Africa has a rich supply of corrupt leaders and minerals
asp a german, when i hear such plan i would also fight till the last man. i am not a nazi or such but this i think had motivated much germans to continue fight
Have you ever been in a war? If not then you can't tell.
Interestingly, Nazis found this plan abhorrent, but these were exactly the sort of policies which they themselves were brutally carrying out, in murderous fashion in the invaded countries, especially those in the East.
@@HistoryHustle really? I can and it is not a major leap (unless I am misreading something). Considering so many other millions already fighting at that stage for reasons other than the glory or preservation of the third Reich. So yes, fighting to save civilians in the east and preventing the carving up of one’s homeland is extremely plausible.
@@HistoryHustle many civies have been forced to fight when the idea of extermination is on the plan. I been in the Middle East and seen it happen more than I want to admit.
Humans may surrender their ideologies, but try to get them to surrender their homes and you can be certain in meeting stiff resistance.
The Morgenthau Plan was not drafted near the end of WWII, it was designed already in 1943. And the idea was not to devide Germany in different parts but to annihilate Germany as a Nation.
This is what acutally happens today. The industrial sector is distroyed by closing of nuclear and coal power plants, distruction of gas pipelines, education is neglected and the country is flooded with migrants importing strange cultures (see Green: "MIgration as a weapon"). With different topics (Gender, climate change, Ukraine war, Covid vaccination etc.) the society is devided and LGBTQ is about to wreck families. Germany will be empoverished and left with no culture. Goal achieved!
You've been too deep into conspiracy theories. Sad to read.
@@HistoryHustle Yes, my favourit conspiracy theorie is that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass distruction!
Mine the one about UFO's.
@@HistoryHustle Sorry, History Hustle, which part of my contribution is not real but a conspiracy theorie? Please explain. It is unworthy just to blame me for spreading fake information.
@@ingoknito9962 true
The doc “Europe - The last battle” show you everything they hidding for you all this time.
Revisionism.
If l had a history teacher like him in high school, l wouldn't have skipped class so much and is an interesting fellow
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I wouldn’t have distracted myself lol
My history teacher used to just come into the classroom and made us take notes by writing on the blackboard.
No explanation at all!
I hate that man with a passion.
@@tsar_zo8007 He undoubtedly hated himself and his life more passionately than you ever could so let it go.
no way!
Morgenthau plan is basically Treaty of Versailles 2.0
Kinda yes
It would have been the European version of Sykes-Picot Plan that was used to carve up the Middle East. What would happen is that border wars would erupt over every river, hill and valley.
And could have led for germany to cause WW3 out of spite inbetween the 60's to 70's although not known how because according to this plan they would get rid of all industries of Germany and be in a worse state(like hundreds or thousand of times) than the Weimar Republic
although what I said was a maybe if gone that way or there would be an immigrant crisis around France, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium, Austria and Switzerland
"Luxembourg must perish!" LOL
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I laughed so hard at that 😂
2:33 I saw the map straight away and noticed Belgium got us. And yes I was very VERY pissed to see Belgium annexing us when we done nothing wrong! You know me without ever meeting me. 😂😂 Thanks for pointing that out and sticking up for us! And good video keep it up History Hustle!
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weren't Luxemburgers ethnic Germans...? with a strong party wanting to be part of Germany ( when they were winning ) ?
Loved Stefans shout out to you 🤩
Luxembourgish Empire perishing because of Germany? No way!
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@@coling3957 LUxemburgers always felt German but we kinda invaded them twice, and behave horibly, so they kinda dont want us anymamore. If you want to laugh, search fo "rpolice vs german neonazis in Luxembourg"
I'm not convinced that 12 to 14 millions German expellees is a more humane approach. This being said, that plan would have certainly turned horrible.
More on that here:
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The Churchill Plan was quite weird too. He wanted to restore Austria Hungary so that Soviet occupied Hungary would be attached to an Allied or neutral Austria.
Indeed.
Had no idea this was a plan until today
Great! :)
I bet you didn't know also that the USA tested H-bombs near Bikini Island and did not evacuate the Islands to see what would happen to contaminated people.
Germany was saved from division in the end by the USSR. As soon as the war ended, the Western allies and Russian started the Cold War. That eventually saved Germany. The Western allies needed Germany.
In a week or so more about that.
How so? I see it more of change of plans. Besides the fact Germany was split into two. Harry Dexter White a Soviet Spy became the leading advocate of the World Bank and the IMF. I don't see two different competing ideologies in the Cold War but one with just different ways of going about. Strong armed Communism in the east and the Fabian approach in the West. Just think of it for a second a Soviet spy shaping the world banking system.....
germany was divided east/west though I thought?
Germany was literally destroyed and still is.
@@bryanfarts822 THis gave force for conspiracy theorys. Harry Dexter White become the U.S. Executive Director at the newly established International Monetary Fund.
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I think that Kaufman actually forgot about Luxembourg, and Lichtenstein, which everyone seems to have forgotten. 🇱🇺 🇱🇮
Yeah indeed.
I read for this plan in Kartie history
He was very anti-communist ,as historian, and he wrote that Communists was behind this plan
I thought it was propaganda but maybe wasn't
Thanks Stefan
Thanks!
It wasn't so much about war. It's the economic strength that scared the allies. Very much what we are going thru today- like a revival of the morgenthau plan
why a revival?
Nord-s gas line
Stefan, your content is always interesting and informative!
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Very interesting as usual! Thanks ☺️
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2:35 I love that you look out for your followers 🥰. Great video. I wasn’t wondering whether it was the same Morganthau that spoke out against the Armenian Genocide, but I see they were father/son
Thanks for your message! :)
This idea it would have turned out horrible
Well it is what happened to the Eastern Germany, the Soviets took all the industrial base as a reparation, cleansed East Prussia of any German, and put many captured Germans in gulag, or as a laborers to rebuild the CCCP.
Had the Germans killed 10% of UK/USA population the same fate would had awaited the West Germany.
Guess so, Adam.
@@gryf92 the US would have never let that happen we care more about our soilders than Russia/U.S.S.R has/does/or ever will b. They just dpnt care about their own people...(they= RUSSIA/"THE REDS IN GENERAL"
Wow 20 liles...i think that's the most I've ever received....ah the dopamine Rush of being like on social media
It's that kind of thinking that brought about the Second World War in the first place.
It always seems kind of murky when you decide who starts the war. For example, you could say that the world was started by Poland with the Bramburg massacres… which provoked Hitler to invade and protect his people
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Thanks.
Interesting episode
Thanks as always, Jan!
The Germans had become aware of the Morganthau plan, which increased their desire, to not be defeated!
There were more important factors. See my most watched video on that.
Excellent 👍 I did not know about this plan
Thank you, Luis.
Thank you for doing that one. I have a question for you. There were several not particularly humane actions perpetrated by the allies following the war. The Rheinwiesenlager camps were pretty brutal, I think the death rates were higher than officially reported. The French, British and Americans held large numbers of German POWs and civilians for forced labor through 1949. There was active period where the destruction of industry and shipping machinery was active through 1946. The U.S. and British actively deforested Germany with an eye towards making the lumber unavailable for German war use through 1948. The question is, in your opinion, were these actions part of an aborted Morgenthau Plan, inspired by the Morgenthau Plan or perhaps just part of the overall allied groupthink for making Germany less dangerous?
Good question. Do notice that there circulate a wide range of numbers about the deaths in Rheinwiesenlager. Apart of that the western allies forced many German POWs to clear mine fields which is a war crime technically. I believe that if the Morgenthau Plan was set in motion this would've also happened on a wide scale. I'd say - I guess - these actions were thus kinda part of the Morgenthau Plan, but don't quote me on it.
Stalin did not want to split up Germany but become neutral. The eastern border should be the odra and behind Breslau going down to the Czech republic.I heard he wanted to make Gerhard Hauptmann into President.The treks of german refugees overroled by the red army were send back to lower Silesia so most areas filled up again to normal with german population in 1945 sometimes finding their houses and farms occupied by polish with whom they had to share the livinghouses than working for them without citizenship means without rights and pay. They were settled out in 46 and 47 in cattle trains by the Polish only allowed to take 20 kg of possession. Exept those Germans who were necessary for keeping the infrastructure going.Those could only leave 1956. The military and militia had to make roadblocks to stop many gangs coming to this area from other polish parts to rip the population off and get away with their stolen goods.Lignitz was partly home to the Sowjet Westarmy Headquarters til 1990.No Polish were allowed. The Polish called it Little Moscow.We had an Ex Sowjet officer as guest who was even born here.He as a boy digged like me in the ground finding german goods for collection.
I think it's safe to say that Stalin shouldn't be taken at his word in his call for German neutrality, though the possibility that his intent was genuine here ought to be considered. Either way, the prospect of German neutrality would have heightened the risk of a potential conflict over the country's orientation, not that Stalin would have cared about its effect on the German population. Adenauer was right to reject Soviet intimations.
@@rumblejungle5590 maybe you are right,but the new resurrected Austrian state was also made neutral.
@@igorbrille8222 True but Austria's tactical (blockaded by mountains to the West, Czech airbases available) and strategic (human capital, far from North Sea) value is significantly lower than Germany's.
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Awesome episode bro... absolutely love this
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Again, great material. Congrats!
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Thank you I really enjoy your videos!!!!🙂
Thanks!
I would love to see a video on Het Nieuwe Ideaal!
That is..?
@@HistoryHustle the name of the Dutch plan for the annexation of parts of Germany, I though.
Great video! Would @History Hustle would be interesting to hear about JCS 1067 and in general more about the occupation policy until the Marshall plan.
Thanks, Lukas. I do talk about it here:
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@@HistoryHustle Awesome, thank you so much! :) Keep up the great work!
Excellent video regarding the Morgenthau Plan. Thank you
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“The Allies will deport our young men for slave labour in other countries.”
Oh no! Wherever did they get that idea from?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Well, sure way to get yourself to the same morally decrepit level as the Nazis themselves. If this was your goal, okay but if you just fought a war over the premise of freedom and self-determination only to then turn around and shout "but not for them" you'll only prove to be a hypocrite.
@@Exodon2020 "But but GERMANY MUST PERISH! FOR DEEEEMOOOOCRACY!" - Morgenthau, probably
Did Kaufman kill Lichtenstein too? 😬
@Carl Kirchhoff true
I guess yeah
Wow, great how detailed your videos are. While watching the videos I always think about stuff I could add in the comments. But at the end of the videos no information are left behind
Thanks! :D
This is one of your best videos. I had never really head all of this before.
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Love the scene where he spoke about Luxemburg. I'm also very afraid about the fact that my region would have been absorbed by the Netherlands #Emsland
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Lekker bezig , and i love this side of History
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Is there any alternate-history book that speculates about what would have happened if Germany was eradicated?
There are channels for that.
@@HistoryHustle well time to retake the reichland and east Prussia
you don't need an alternate history, it happened in 1945 :P
@@coling3957 Well said.
HH, what happened to my comment about Morgenthau? Are we censoring stuff now?
Can't tell.
another good vid..thank-you
Thank you!
Very interesting. I was searching for information on what happened to the embassies of the nazi Germany immediately after the war ended. How many embassies were functioning right after may 1945..How do I find it ?
Can't tell.
@@HistoryHustle this is the only bit of information I could gather. history.stackexchange.com/questions/12267/what-became-of-nazi-germanys-embassies-in-neutral-countries
Its also known that the then Irish government had sent its condolences to the German embassy in Dublin on Hitler's death
@@shrirang68 By the terms stated in the declaration of unconditional surrender Germany signed on May 8th 1945 Germany would hand over all state affairs, foreign and domestic to Allied occupation troops. This resulted in the countries still hosting German Embassies to officially recognize the dissolution of the German government (despite the state's continued existance) and thus Germany itself being impaired to operate as a subject of international law. Subsequently German Embassies were occupied, personnel interned and deported back to Germany throughout the following months.
2:20 Not Luxembourg! In fact, a good plan would be the Luxembourgish Empire annexing Germany. ;)
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😂😂😂😂 Imagine us taking over Germany. That would be awesome on a map.
@@HistoryHustle 😆😅😂😃🇱🇺🇱🇺🇱🇺
@Fabian Kirchgessner You're correct. I see you are a fellow intellectual.
Almost 50k subscribers, cool
YEAH!
I am glad things turned out the way they did. Thanks for the video.
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It’s very interesting and cool to hear history from a true European, as I believe you have a more direct view into these events. Cheers
Good to hear. Can I ask you: why do you name yourself SS Kampfgruppe Peiper?
I wonder if Hitler would've rose to power, if terms this harsh were imposed post WWI
Think not..
@@HistoryHustle Versailles Treaty wasnt harsh enough???
Its Versailles Treaty and Balfour Declaration... not Hilter.
Remove Versailles Treaty, no 2nd WW.
In a sense, the complete opposite happened. The Netherlands never received any form of compensation from Germany, not a single penny, for the war damage it inflicted, for the rebuilding of Rotterdam, or for loss of all industrial capacity, or the death of 2-3% of its population.
Think they did, please watch
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You are wrong. The Morgenthau Plan and Hooton Plan are working till these days.This should be clear, for Peoples in Deutschland.
well yes thats the reason why 25 million germans starved to death, wait...@@peterhallenbach1871
It is so tragic
The entire Western world has been getting Morgenthaud for about 100 years now. Ukraine vs Russia is the latest example.
very interesting topic
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In short, the good ideas in 1945 was simply to implement the recommendations from Clemenceau in 1919 to get Germany occupied and have it paying for the war damages.
More or less
@@HistoryHustle A lot of 1919 peace plan was influenced by the 14 points of the US President Wilson, but who was never able to get it voted by the congress in the US, and thus never was able to be the guarantor of the different measures he pushed for. I always wonder what would have could have happened if the WWI allies had been harsher after the war. Indeed, Germany was barely not occupied, except for the Ruhr and for a limited period of time, and almost no war damage was ever paid. What if Germany had to face a British army in Berlin, French in Frankfurt, Polish in Dresden and Belgian in Hannover, paid by Germans ? Would have this accelerate the raise of someone like Hitler or the opposite ? Impossible to know, but in short this is what happened in 1945 with different players. In any case, thanks for raising this Morgenthau plan that is bringing more options and make history so interesting and not a dead topic.
@@FredericGaillot The whole Rhineland region was occupied by the allies, not only the Ruhr.
Thankyou again that was interesting.
Thanks for your reply!
At 2:18, "What happened to Luxembourg?". Actually, there is a british comedy skit from 2000 where the representatives of different european powers at the time of Treaty of Westphalia(1648) talk about drawing the european borders and forget totally about Luxembourg. It is so funny. You wondering about Luxembourg made me think about the skit again. If you wanna watch it here is the link
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"Could we just use it for storage?"
Can you send me the maps you got on the wall bro?
No, I can't.
It's ironic they were terrified about this plan, but it sounds very similar to what they planned to do to the east with Generalplan Ost
In a way yes. Yet, Morgenthau was never carried out.
Just thinking about what the Morgenthau plan intended to do, I felt an emptiness in my stomach and a terrible chest pain and I felt great indignation and sadness, it is true Germany made a stupid mistake and had to pay for it, but not to that extreme, I think that more than justice, what he was looking for was pure revenge, fortunately the Morgenthau plan failed and could not be completed, I think it was one thing to eradicate, destroy and bury Nazism and another thing to provoke genocide and make everything disappear a town on the map I say this with all due respect. Fortunately, the Germans took advantage of this new opportunity with the Marshall plan, to rebuild their country and now be the fourth largest economy in the world, Nazism was one thing and German culture and language was others.
We all know Luxembourg could not be allowed to survive. LOL!!!!
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They're German too. Swiss too, dutch too
The Treaty of Versailles wasn't tough enough on the German and Austrian Empires, very little reparations were actually paid and non rearmament terms. After the 2nd war, the pre 1871 should have been restored in the British, French and American territories, with the autonomous Hansa cities.. No need to strip Germany of resources. There.were millions of ethnic German refugees anyway from East Prussia, Western Poland and Czechoslovakia, which why perhaps that the former West Germans are so well disposed to international refugees. The real German threat today is the AfD of the former DDR areas in my view. Reparations should still be paid by Germany to Greece, Poland, Ukraine and many Balkan states in my view.
Maybe because it was impossible to pay? Germany didnt even want to fight ww1
I appreciate the irony that we didn't go through with this plan because it was unreasonable, yet the plan we *did* go with involved us taking a city in the middle of Soviet occupation...and then dividing it in half
(and Patton's reasoning just makes you go "Yep, sounds like Patton")
More on that in a future video.
7:05 Tbh Morgenthau plan seems quite lenient in comparison to what Germans have tried to do...
Guess that many plans are leniant in comparison with what Germans have tried to do...
What did they try to do ? The only thing they tried to do is being an independent nation
@@jewjewski1069 Yes, your comment and name tells me all I need to know.
I believe that Morgenthau’s loyalties were with the Soviet Union, and that he wanted the Soviets to reach Berlin first, at the cost of hundreds of thousands of American, British, and Canadian boys. German resistance to the Anglo-American forces had been pretty tame up to that point, but once the Morgenthau plan was released, it became a slugfest.
He was a Jew his main loyalty was to the Jewish nation then secondly loyalty to Soviets
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entschuldigt mich, ich muss mal eben kotzen gehen
Happy puking.
Is that you lenin?? Did you come back from the dead??
Almost!
Although not implemented, the plan did influence some of the policies that were.
Abother great video.
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Germany started carved up.
Pre the Holy Roman Empire and during it aswell just unified by a Caravan King.
Then it became carved up again till Bismark.
So this carving up idea is kinda pointless.
This plan would have just repeated history agsin. They would hsve united later, ns ideology would have stayed strong and they would have reindustrialized and allied either with the sowjets or west. You can take away their capital, but you can't destroy their knowledge and education.
Germans proved to be resilient.
I always thought they leaked such information on purpose, to ignite german agressiveness.
Haven't heard of this. It wouldn't make any sense since the Allies would to have fight longer.
@@HistoryHustle Thats what they said, they will fight until total anihilation. Churchill said it best of all: War is the only answer.
Living in eastern germany in 2024, i can only say "Wäre mal ne Maßnahme gewesen" (would have been a measure)
One more war and we'll see
Nah
Sir, how was the nazi name formed. I think that it is by the words coconut = nazi(in kiswahili). Am i true sir?
Nazism officially National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), is the ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party .
@@HistoryHustle no, i mean, it is very odd like coconut in kiswahili is nazi. Haha, just it
France and Czech Republic occupy Austria.Why are so many lands for France ?
Good question, can't tell.
wikipeda seemed to ignore facts?
I prefer books.
Good vid!
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In the end Stalin saved Germany from American annihilation.
Depends on how you look at things.
The Americans abandoned the plan months before the war ended in Europe. Stalin only made sure there weren't any second guesses in his own sick and twisted way.
Considering both of the men who made the plan were Soviet spies...
Yeah no Stalin wanted slave labor and to kill as many Germans as possible for revenge, it's only by the miraculous intervention of Churchill not acting drunk and belligerent for once and Roosevelt changing his mind that the plan didn't go through.
I looked up Morgenthau's bio and turns out he was 100% German-American, talk about irony!
Irony indeed.
Jew is jew
A Jew from Germany, which explains why hitler killed them in the first place
The Morgenthau Plan would had made more sense, I mean it would still be pretty harmful and terribly awful, but at least more logical, if it was drawn up according to the ethnic and historic divisions of the German region taken into consideration. To force Germany to become smaller independent states like Saxony or Prussia, especially states that contribute alot to Germany's economy, it would be like the equivalent of the UN forcing America to break up into smaller states like "the Republic of California" or the "Republic of New York".
If I was in charge of Germany's partition, I would have given the northerly coastal regions to the Frisians, as the Frisian tribes have historically inhabited those regions of Germany. Not sure why France would gain such a huge proportion of Germany, as they never occupied that far east into central Germany (besides in Napoleonic times), nor was there that many French people residing in central Germany. The same goes for Czechoslovakia, the Czechs were mostly found in the neighbouring countries of Poland and Austria, not too many in Bavaria or Germany. Austria basically grew out of Bavaria, so I would hand Bavaria over to Austria, but then again that would get really confusing, it would basically be creating another German state.
Here's to a peaceful Europe, a peaceful Middle East, a peaceful Africa, a peaceful Asia, a peaceful Americas, a peaceful Australia, a peaceful world :).
Thanks for sharing your insights on this.
Split UK like that too.
After all
'European is just a geographical term'
Otto von Bismarck
7:30 I have the strange feeling of someone stating something, similiar to what he himself is already doing. man this is a wierd feeling. must be a real douchebag.
True, kinda weird indeed.
Any one From Lebanon middle east ?
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Germany is still too big for Europe. It should have been made to separate Bavaria off, cutting it down to a more manageable size.
I think the country is doing fine now.
What about Russia?
Germany had no right to seek revenge for the hardships of the first war since they are the ones that started it, and deserved what they got. Although the world powers should never have let them starve, and was a big mistake on their part. Dad was overseas for almost all four years of our involvement in the conflict of the 2nd war with the US 3rd Infantry Division, and was there when they blew the giant swastika on top of Nuremberg stadium as well as the raid on Eagle's Nest and was the same division as Audie Murphy
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Germany started ww1??? It was a Bosnian shooting an Austrian, with Austria then invading Serbia is the one that caused it
Germany at no point ventured into the 2.WW on account of their perceived hardships "of" the 1.WW, though the hardships of Versailles were one motive. There were other motives that you may wish to read up on.
@Patricia Doran He was a Bosnian Serb looking for Bosnian freedom from Austria-Hungary
Princip was seeking freedom for the Serbs from Austria at best. Serbs numbered less than 44% of the Bosnian population in 1914. The 20+% Croats certainly didn't want to be a part of Serbia. It's a moot point whether the remaining Bosnian Muslims would have tipped the scales in favour of Austria-Hungary or Serbia.
Gavrilo Princip just pushed the boulder off the cliff it was dangling from. Its almost like everyone forgets the Balkan wars a couple years prior and the intense jingoism that was the status quo in Europe at the time.
Here's a dumb question.... why not break up germany but not turn it into a pastoral state? Like just turn it into 4 or 5 separate states that import their food supplies, likely from the U.S. and USSR? None of those states would ever be powerful enough on their own to ever challenge any major european power again without uniting with other larger states anyways.
In 1871 they managed to unite. People feared it might happen again.
@@HistoryHustle perhaps, but in my experience theres a big difference in culture between the german states. If there wasn't one large powerful state like prussia to dominate the rest I doubt that could've easily happened. but who knows?
@@climberly what if someone like bismarck came around because bismarck is the man that caused the unification of germany
@@Bruh-hq1hx Well that's what we got the Cia for. Assassinations are their thing.
@@climberly what if he has the luck of hitler or even Castro when it comes to attempts on life
I would love to see the look on Morgenthau, Kaufmann, and Dexter-Whites faces when they all see what Germany is like today and what it has been like since 1945?
Germany didn't perish indeed.
@@HistoryHustle I bet they would be enraged. They would DESPISE the European Union and think that Germany has succeeded in doing economically and financially what it twice failed to do militarily. They would be glad that the UK has left the EU.
@@paulyb7267 Well, then they would probably look up Germany's development since the end of WW2 and realize it's a fully developed Democracy now. Then they would look up how the EU works and realize there's no way for a singular country to dominate it the same way even the German Empire planned to dominate its economic exclusion zone. Whether or not they could see beyond their hatred might be a different question though.
@jasper426 What???
Nazis are on the rise in Germany again.
Thats bad.
Yes.
If this plan should happen and the germans knew it they would recruit everybody in the military. They would also use their entire arsenal of chemical weapons to destroy Germany when they lose
The Germans did know about it. Please check the video.
As a south korean, i think Allied countries were far too lenient with Japan. Japan was left unified whereas Germany was divided in half. Japanese warcrimes were not less serious than those committed by Nazi Germany.
Japan was brutal during the war and before that, yes.
The Japanese didn't offend The Chosen People and that's why they got off lightly. They rule over every Western country of European descent.
The Emperor had to rule something
The Soviets didn't get to Japan.
The eastern border of the Netherlands should be Poland
I see.
I can appreciate this persons ardent nationalism 😂
the Americans wanted to build Germany up again as a bulwark against the Soviets ( why they would think a country already defeated in ww2 would be a mainstay in the cold war eludes me ) i served in West Germany in the 1980s and saw the German troops.. conscripts - reluctant pressed men sulkily doing their time and simply looking forward to leaving the service.. the present chief commissar in the EU, Ursula von Lederhosen was German defence minister - and a bad one - the German army had tanks that couldn't get on the road, let alone the field. troops without rifles on NATO exercies - they had broomsticks. and submarines that couldn't submerge.. goodness knows what else. without the US and UK , western Europe would be drinking vodka, talking Russian and trying to buy tourist's blue jeans off them. :P
Point of arming Germany as deterrent to Soviet expansion - at the most - hinted at only in video, unfortunately. The Allies never considered Germany a mainstay, that wasn't required. But the spectre of yet another world war saw the need to muster all hands. West German soldiers were considerably tougher in the 60s than they were 20 years later. The West German Air Force fielded the F-104 specifically to deliver U.S. nuclear bombs at a far greater speed than the B-52. That was before intercontinental missiles. This was considered to be so important that the unsuitability of the F-104 was accepted - leading to the jet to be dubbed The Widowmaker.
When my parents visited the USSR they were told to bring jeans to sell.
@@HistoryHustle friend of mine visited pre-1989 Romania and his tour party were followed everywhere by shady looking men in long coats. most ppl didn't speak to them, but one young man apparently bravely approached them and offered US dollars for his Levi's .. It seems hilarious but ppl behind the Iron Curtain literally had no access to western goods. only the political higher ups could use special stores under soviet system and get such "luxuries".. today millionaire Russians are buying up houses in London and Cornwall paying CASH .. hmm?
this plan is cruel however given the horrific behavior the germans carried elsewhere I think some elements of it maybe should have been adopted.........that said it should have never been leaked
It shouldn't have been leaked, I agree.
What about the more horrific behaviour of Britain in its colonies?
@@noone3272 well this is about the war as it relates to colonial mistreatment the brits nor anyone else gets a pass from me on that but its seperate issue from this just as important but seperate.
@@camm8642 but the colonies were exploited for war purposes plus Germany fought alone. And germany offered peace or alliance to uk. The uk could have easily accepted it and save millions of lives and pounds.
So your answe to Genocide is: An even larger genocide? Give those responsible a way to hide their crimes behind an even bigger crime. If this got carried out, Germans today would be worshipping the Nazis as heroes, not condemning them.
They implemented it in Africa
In a way yes.
@@HistoryHustle Palestine?
@@HistoryHustle
How so
We Africans are responsible for our own problems
@@germaniatv1870 see any german in africa?
@@G.A.C_Preserve What do you mean?
Right now, I believe that we should dust off the old Morgenthau Plan and apply it in the fullest possible way to China.
No idea how to reply to this...
The exact thing that would turn China into everybody's enemy
@@HistoryHustle Just make certain you never forget and never forgive until the Chink Communist Party is gone forever, no matter how many Chinamen must perish in the process.
@@british35 China is ALREADY everybody's enemy.
What is China doing? If the west quit buying everything from them theyd take a big hit...economic wise
Morganthaus plan was never seriously considered. U.S. Army civil Affairs started the city services up as soon as they arrived to the point where Patton was criticized by Treasury for using German Engineers and technical troops instead of demobilizing them. It would never have worked the entire middle of the U.S. being of German ancestry along with significant populations in Texas, New Orleans, New York and Pennsylvania. Not to mention the high ranking officers of German ancestry , Nimitz, Eisenhower, Persing, Spatzt, Fritsche. Roosevelt/Truman would have just doomed the Democrats in the next election.
Jewish officials like Morganthau were understandably upset, but it wasn’t going to be adopted as policy if for no other reason than American corporations were often 50% owners of a lot of those companies he wanted to suppress.
The question nobody is asking is why is Treasury involved in foreign policy? (Entire middle of the US is a gross exaggeration.)
Responsible Responsible Responsible... Who was Responsible for WO II ? England, France and Poland and its called: GREED.
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@@HistoryHustle yeah that guys kinda wacko. Ww1 on the other hand is less black and white.
At 3:30 you quote a known Holocaust Denier and Nazi apologist author in John Dietrich.
If you are a teacher, please engage yourself in better source criticism and don't feed the animals....
Lemme know your source on this. I wasn't aware of this. Thanks for pointing out.
@@HistoryHustle The source is his own book: The Morgenthau Plan: Soviet Influence on American Postwar Policy.
I recommend you read it for yourself, the verbiage he chooses and the manner of his narrative make what he's about pretty obvious.
When he says and repeats things like "alleged" atrocities against Jews and the Holocaust that befell Germany after WWII, you get the picture.
@jasper426 Edit, there is no Red Cross report that states 300,000 as you say. Doesn't exist.
@jasper426 "And yet, the numbers on the tattoos never go past 300,000…"
Those were property stamps for accountability genius. Only workers got those, not the folks who were destined for the main purpose of the facility. Apparently you know very little about any of this. If you don't know that basic fact, you must be very new to the topic.
@jasper426 Must have been genius, you seem to be armed with all the pedestrian BS that average joe deniers have. Never been to the Hdot site where all this is covered in minute detail? You obviously lapped up all that denier trash and "believed what they told you", didn't even bother with analyzing the claims or "looking at both sides". lol, great job.
I don't like Germany at all. But these plans are even too harsh for my standarts.
Ok.
But you did like German Money.
@@germaniatv1870 what German money?
@@AG26498 Thats what i thought... the Greek doesnt know what we talkin' bout. Yea, Milo.
I always felt a lot of problems in the Middle East would have been avoided by creating a Jewish state (as reparation for the Holocaust) in the North West of Germany, including Hamburg and Bremen.
We will never know. Interesting theory.
Propably would have caused Problems in germany
Zionism bases its entire idea that jews return to their ancestral land (caanan and israel) and build a third temple to await the messiah. I don't think any jew zionist or not would consider Hamburg of all places their homeland.
@@egggge4752 You forget that most of the Jewish settlers to Israel were refugees and thus would have been okay with anywhere safe