S&W FPC & Response After-Action Report 10/27/2023
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- čas přidán 26. 10. 2023
- This is just my comparisons of the FPC & Response after using them both on the range. I also took some time to digest the information I received and put it all out.
I don't sell these or anything, just want to put my thoughts on them out there for others that may be stuck on which one to get....
Thanks for an excellent review. I was one of those buyers on the fence, who could not decide between the Response and FPC. Will now get a Response for the reasons you explained. Cheers!
Good choice!
After seeing the issues that are flooding the FPC platform, The RESPONSE may just be the better purchase. I have both, and I have had no issues with the FPC, so far.
No issues here.love it
being an S&W guy, I love my fpc. got it on sale at palmetto state armory. My red dot has held zero at 25 yards hand held. The recoil is much lighter than shooting the 9mm out of my shield plus. Almost feels like you're shooting a 5.7 out of a hand gun. Nice gun for the money with 63 rounds at the ready. would be nice if they came out with a 10mm.
What forward handle grip did you install on the Response?
What I really love about these two from Smith and Wesson is that they work right out of the box while some of their competitors need $100- $200 worth of springs, extractors, feed ramps and other parts just to make them reliable shooters
I’ve been watching some of your videos after I subscribed a few days ago and between what I already read about the S&W FPC I decided that later on in the day I’m going to go ahead and order it, I’m going with your choice on the optic the Vortex Strikefire 2 which seems to be a great choice, I went and checked prices at a few places and Amazon had the best price at $168 so I googled to try and find one of those coupon codes and low and behold I found a pretty good one for Palmetto State Armory which was a $80 off on the Vortex but their price was $200 and free shipping so after the discount,taxes and I paid a few extra dollars for that shipping insurance they have, anyway I got it for $131.99 after everything was said and done, I’ll continue to watch your videos and learn as much as possible on it, I’ll give it a good cleaning after I pick it up from my ffl, thank you for sharing those videos I appreciate it a lot sir, I hope you have a great weekend that’s coming up brother.
You're welcome. You have a good weekend as well.
More videos will come as I can get them done.
2 pccs I currently own are Ruger pc9 and FPC. Even though the Ruger's more aesthetically pleasing, I'd keep the FPC as it would be faster handling in emergencies.
Thanks for a competent no BS review.
You're welcome.
Was confused when the respinse dropped after the fpc. Im a m&p fanboy so cant decide. Being able to.use same mags makes me want them
I prefer the Response over the FPC, as I like AR platforms better. I never really got into folding rifles.
Just an FYI……pretty much any AR15 charge handle works on the Response……courtesy of the knowledgeable people at TACCOM
Thank you for the FYI. :)
I think they should make the FPC again, a 2.0
Where they update it to have all the pluses of the Response
And always make a 10mm version.
The folding feature means it takes up less space in the gun safe!
The folding feature means nothing to me. It takes the same amount of space in a safe, just in a different shape.
Thanks for this. I like the feel of the S&W better. I might wait for the price to come down first…
I believe after the holidays it might.
Any idea what the recall for the Response is. I received an e-mail from the company asking me to return the rifle for repair. It's for rifles made before Feb 12, 2024.
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As usual great feedback! Thanks What's your long term evaluation of the Taccom products? Buffer plug and Muzzle brake for FPC? George
Good morning George, The buffer plug seems to be just fine so far. As for the muzzle device on the FPC, it is just a plain flash jacket from KA Industries. I most likely will change that to the KAW Valley Linear Compensator. I am very happy with the TACCOM Optics mount.
Hi there, thanks for an outstanding content. Do you find the rail that you installed over the action housing solid and stable? Does it come with extended screws? Much appreciated!
Thank you! The rail was very solid and it comes with the screws to properly mount it.
Thanks! Any chance you still have the link to where you bought it?
@@oricohen4376 www.taccom3g.com
Thank you for this video and great review of both PCC products. I am very interested in the response option and may try to make a purchase later this year.
I was wondering what piece you put on the end of the barrel instead of the thread protector… I have heard the thread protector also becomes loose as you shoot it, so would be interested in knowing what you used to replace the thread cover and give it a more pleasant barrel design.
Thank you for sharing :-)
The thread protector does come lose.... I put on a KAW Valley linear comp.
Thank you so much!
I appreciate the educational video :-)
Thanks for the comparison/review. How about the recoil response of them? Does one hold steadier after shots? Thanks
Too me, they feel equal. really no difference at all.
There are many many aftermarket aluminum charging handles available.
Thanks for this comparison.
There are, but they don't have the narrow channel like the response one has.
@@hollowpointdefense oh. I read on S&W site that it took mil-spec charging handles.
@@toddparsons2980 Yes, they do fit and work. But the Response has a much narrower channel in the stem of the handle, and it seems to be a guide for the bolt.
Great comparison video. What muzzle end do you have on the response? I also asked on one of your other video's. I agree the gun looks un finished without one. thank you
Kaw Valley Linear Comp.
@@hollowpointdefense thanks, what is the thin larger ring between the comp and Barrel? Does that come with the Comp? or is it needed?
Thank you for the valuable information! I have the FPC, so far, very happy with it!
You're Welcome.
Great comparison.
Thank you!
Hello, I Follow all your videos, great job! Question about Mean Green cleaner. What gun cleaning do your use it for? I see it removes carbon fowling well. What about use as bore cleaner? Is there anything you wouldn't use it for? It sure is a lot more cost effective than any of the gun cleaning products we normally use! Thanks, George
I use Mean Green on everything. I quit using the expensive gun cleaners completely.
I use it for bore cleaning too, My bores are just as clean as if you used the over priced gun cleaners.
I'm seriously thinking about getting the smith and wesson response
I have both, I like the Response more. I don't know the exact reason, but it just feels better when I am using it.
A good no b.s. review. TY
You're welcome.
Nice review. I would add, for the FPC, I was not a big fan of that charging handle smacking back and forth right on my nose.
I had not had that issue at all. I have heard about this a few times.
I have a keltec. I like it but seeing the MP FPC I feel like I want to go trade my keltec in. Sure I can’t use Glock mags but I think FPC is a little better than the keltec. Where did you get the blue magazines?
I just changed the floor plates on the glock mags. I got the floor plates from Springer Precision.
I just got a FPC. Can you tell me where you got those blue mags to use instead of the blue mags?
The blue items are Floor plates from Springer Precision. I changed the black plastic ones for these blue metal floor plates.
What is the blue mod on the magazine? Like most have commented, the factory mags could be improved. Do you have a link to your mod?
The factory mags are fine too me. What you see are the blue floor plates from Springer Precision. I use them to mark what mags I have dedicated to this firearm.
Would you be able to test some AR15 parts compatibility with the Response? Like, would a standard free-float handguard fit without needing modification? Would a standard AR15 charging handle fit and function?
I just added a charging handle video.
@@hollowpointdefense Awesome, thanks.
Where did you get those neat little blue caps at the bottom of your mags
Springer Precision.
ok talk about the bottome of the mag plates of the fpc. did you find a alternative from using those adaptors?
The blue ones you see here are just the Springer Precision "Short" base pads on the 15 round M&P mags. I used blue because I dedicated those mags to that gun only.
shop.springerprecision.com/short-basepad-for-smith-wesson-m-p-9-40/
@@hollowpointdefense but do you need those mag adaptors to become flash to the grip?
@@gospelninja2.016 No, I use them so when on the range, I know what mags are mine and this marks them for this firearm only, nothing more.
where did you get the mussel device ? i want one for my responce
Kaw Valley.
Can someone explain to make what model sight/scope that is on the FPC that if fits over the rear of the rifly instead of the front pic rail?
You would need this rail to put a scope / RD on the back: taccom3g.com/product/scope-mount-for-sw-fpc/
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What muzzle device did you throw on those?
The Response has the KAW Valley compensator. The FPC has the KAK Industries flash Jacket.
kawvalleyprecision.com/product/kvp-slim-xl-pistol-caliber-linear-comp/
kakindustry.com/kak-industry-flash-can
Thanks@@hollowpointdefense !
Thanks@@hollowpointdefense !
I had an issue with my Response. I could not clear an Underwood 147gr JHP from the chamber. Ejected the mag, pulled back the charging handle... and it wouldn’t budge. After some extreme effort, I finally got the bolt carrier to pull back to eject the live round. But not before the charging handle pinched my finger and gave me a nice black blood blister.
I’ve ordered a Breek Arms Warhammer and will be replacing the polymer charging handle on the Response ASAP.
In my opinion, the polymer charging handle is perhaps the weakest link with this fine PCC, and I can only wonder what S&W was thinking.
Regarding that 147gr round, I’m wondering if the Response doesn’t like that particular grain round. I’ve had zero issues with Underwood loaded Speer Gold Dot JHP rounds.
I have had no issues so far, I use Speer Lawman and Gold Dot JHP. I just put in a Strike Industries charging handle.
@@hollowpointdefense I called S&W just now to report the issue and the guy blamed Underwood ammo.
Even though I told him my Response runs 114gr Underwood Gold Dot rounds no problem.
Sounds like you had a bad round
Brand new FPC it will eject shells out of the magazine into the chamber, and then clear, but upon firing the spent shell does not clear and jams with next round feeding. Do you have a solution for me? Thank you for your contact.
First thing I would check is the extractor and/or ejector. Make sure it is NOT loose and/or broke.
I watched your video on the firing, pin and extractor. I don’t believe my extractor on that portion is damaged?
@@eddiewiercioch777 Without seeing the gun first hand, hard to determine, make sure the extractor is tight, shouldn't move very easy.
Does the spent shell come out at all when fired?
@@hollowpointdefense no sir it gets hung up in the action.
Are the bolts the same if not how are they different
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I always feel screwed over when a company puts out a product...FPC....and then after so many are sold....puts out dang near a replica of that product and it arguably is better than the first.
Second, it makes me wonder is SW going to let the problems the FPC has go unresolved?
Had I had the choice between the two, I as well would have gone with the Response. But now I dont have that option because unlike so many on here that can just go buy a gun at the drop of a hat, I have to factor in bills and eating.
Just FYI...Promag has a 32 round mag that will fit the FPC.
I would put the Response as a better item, only because there are more aftermarket options compared to the FPC. I do believe both are decent options for anyone to go with. I hear in regards to bills and such, I use ZERO monies from my full time job to get this stuff. It is all paid for with the money I get from doing training classes. I don't use the higher capacity magazines, I am fine with the 17 round mags.
Typically, I wait about a year when new firearms come out (let them work out the bugs). I didn't on these two, they some how grabbed my interest.
Where do i get that 3 dolla birdcage??
Whats these problems everyone is tslkin about?.bought 2 no issues well into 1k rounds
Mine has been fine, most issues are shooter induced.
How did you put a mount on the rear of the FPC?
It appears to be the Taccom3g mount.
The mount can be purchased from www.taccom3g.com It is an easy installation in less than 4 minutes.
Amed2 magazine are good for training only. No real life us
I have had no issues with them so far.