Why Are Differences Between Men & Women Being Denied? | Steve Stewart-Williams
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- Steve Stewart-Williams is a evolutionary psychologist, a professor and an author.
If you follow the thread of evolution long enough, you see that humans are simply a product of adaptations. So why are humans so peculiar? Does everything we do have a rational explanation, or are there aspects of our lives and psychology we have yet to understand?
Expect to learn how aliens would view our species if they were observing from above, what most people get wrong about understanding sex differences, Steve’s best explanation for the gender equality paradox, why humans have such strange sexual desires, why men tend to insult their intimate partners, how to deal with the discomfort of learning evolutionary psychology, my spicy new theory on dysgenic gene erosion and much more...
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00:00 The Evolutionary Role of Culture
05:03 We Are Born to Maximise Grandchildren
11:40 What Most People Get Wrong About Sex Differences
16:27 How Men & Women Feel Jealousy Differently
20:15 Why Women Have Concealed Ovulation
26:05 Role of Socialisation in Sex Differences
38:15 Did Ancient Men Actually Do More of the Hunting?
42:57 The Paradox of Gender Equality
49:51 Our Ancestral Mating Setup
59:23 The Bizarre Way to Predict Mating Preferences
1:03:16 The Mutual Mate Choice Model
1:09:24 Why Some Men Insult Intimate Partners
1:12:30 Applying EvPsych Into Daily Life
1:23:03 Do Common Mutations Occur in Different Generations?
1:29:19 Where to Find Steve
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Hello you savages. Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - chriswillx.com/books/ Here's the timestamps:
00:00 The Evolutionary Role of Culture
05:03 We Are Born to Maximise Grandchildren
11:40 What Most People Get Wrong About Sex Differences
16:27 How Men & Women Feel Jealousy Differently
20:15 Why Women Have Concealed Ovulation
26:05 Role of Socialisation in Sex Differences
38:15 Did Ancient Men Actually Do More of the Hunting?
42:57 The Paradox of Gender Equality
49:51 Our Ancestral Mating Setup
59:23 The Bizarre Way to Predict Mating Preferences
1:03:16 The Mutual Mate Choice Model
1:09:24 Why Some Men Insult Intimate Partners
1:12:30 Applying EvPsych Into Daily Life
1:23:03 Do Common Mutations Occur in Different Generations?
1:29:19 Where to Find Steve
Chris the gender equality paradox is basicaly in a non WEIRD nation a woman who's father is a mechanic will learn to fix cars a bit,in a scandinavic country where she is off the house at 18 free to pursue her own career,she rarely choses to be a mechanic on her own
Chris, a Munecat's video came out yesterday that debunks the whole field of Evo Psych! We are under attack!!!
9:45 I think a huge problem with that conclusion is that people tend to conflate xenophobia and racism. Xenophobia has been a great tool for survival through unity and our affinity for visual difference very likely stems from that. It's why we have stereotypes that pretty clearly identify people from different regions (noses, eyes, lips, facial hair, etc.). It's simply that skin colour happens to be the most obvious of these observed differences.
Exactly. Affinity for people like one's self is a natural, normal, incredibly common and incredibly understandable part of human psychology that we should not deny ornshy away from. This is not a bug, it's a feature.
I’ve seen it described this way. You see a stranger and you have very little time to determine whether they are a threat or not. So you use obvious cues from their looks to make that determination. This isnt even a conscious process. If they look similar to you they are less likely to be a threat.
Yup. To demonize it is revealing of the dishonesty. The tribalism. It proves itself. The people who believe the nonsensical are the most tribal. It seems to be a level of thinking that hasn't grown into a more self aware realization. And there's a ton of evidence that's exactly what it is, lack of awareness, lack of empathy, and attempts to virtue signal morality. Narcissism sucks huh? It's a scale, we're all a little narcissistic, BUT some people are seriously misrepresenting the rest of us especially online, the illusion of the few who are so loud and shame anyone who doesn't validate their supposed morality.
On the subject of hidden ovulation, my theory (I'm not sure if it's ever been formally studied) is that it rewards monogamous pair-bonding. One man copulating regularly and continuously with one woman has a greater chance of impregnating her, as opposed to copulating irregularly with multiple women. As he has no idea who is ovulating, it's like attempting to draw an ace from the deck. If you draw continuously from one deck, you're guaranteed to draw an ace eventually. Whereas if you a drawing irregularly from multiple decks (and competing with other males doing likewise), there's no guarantee that you'll draw an ace before someone else does.
Men and women are different. If they aren't, let's just have one league for all sports. Also, men and women think differently. Hormones, neurotransmitters, and brain connectome show that. It's odd how people are trying to deny reality.
Exactly. Men and women definitely think differently. Notice how they describe men’s thoughts as automatically evil, but that shows that they unconsciously understand that men and women think differently. And when you point that out that fact, they also get angry. It’s pure psychosis.
We do need genderneutral sports. We only really care about the very best. Everyone is welcome if they can compete. Thats true genderequality. We need that
The only reason there’s gender sports is because of money. Diversify the game to be 2x as large, and you may get 2x the revenue. It’s amazing for the revenue of individual or duo sports such as tennis, snowboarding, as both men and women sports leagues do drive revenue. The revenue for large sport teams such as soccer and basketball, not so much, but the merchandise still sell. Yea a gender neutral sport league would be awesome but it wouldn’t be as lucrative as a gender/sex divide among the league. It’s all about the money in entertainment, sports athletes are some of the most useless value added jobs on the planet.
@@p382742937423y4what would that be? Do you actually play sports?
My father in law loves watching women's football (Aussie rules) He said they play differently. There's more strategy and nuance. He thought it would be boring when he first decided to watch, but was pleasantly surprised at how much he loved it. @@p382742937423y4
At the end of the talk you were both bizarrely close to just describing the movie GATTACA. It even has a scene where a guy has to hide his myopia (proof of bad genes and lack of embryo selection by his parents) and nearly runs into traffic. If anyone reading this hasn’t seen it yet but is interested in the potential societal impacts of embryo selection/large scale genetic screening, it is a fascinating movie.
Because we're going forward with emotions, not logic.
🎯🎯
There's a side that says use your faculty of reason while another side says use your deepest emotions.
Because women are voting😂
Separating those two concepts is hard for alot of people. Emotions make us human but they are also a liability where rationality and logic preside
People who lose their ability to feel emotions also lose their ability to make decisions. Emotions are decision-making tools, as much or maybe more than logic.
9:45 "We have an affinity for people who look like us." This is *NOT* a bad thing. It's a natural, normal, incredibly common and incredibly understandable trait of human psychology that we should not be hiding from or downplaying, but embracing. It's not a bug, it's a feature.
You can't deny it causes issues though when many people live in megacities etc
@Pezerinno It's the demographic makeup of those cities and the forced mingling of differing people that is the issue there-not the notion that most people prefer to be around people like themselves.
@@jonsnowight9510I don't disagree but anti-immigration policies aren't a goer for western countries with falling birth rates
@@Pezerinno The solution is to increase the birth rate-not replace the population with foreign peoples
I feel much more affinity for people that share similar beliefs to me than people that look like me. Immigration should promote people whose values are compatible with the country, for example the USA shouldnt allow in people who support mass murdering Jews or stoning women.
The screamingly loud and vindictive denial that men women are different has nothing to do with science.
It is obvious without invoking 'science'.
It's just super cultish, political brainwashing overload. Cognitive dissonance to another level.
You can even catch these people accidentally reflexively admitting the truth, which makes me wonder if anyone actually believes it.
"Men competing in women's sports have no advantage!!" - Okay, is it worse on average when a man physically assaults a woman or the reverse? Why? - "Obviously it's worse when the man does it because he's stronger... Wait. I mean, umm, he's sexist?"
Nope, it’s backed by science, unlike evolutionary psychology.
Screw science,it’s backed by nature
People are aware of the obvious differences, but they are pretty much cowards. Too scared to say it out loud.
Regular people will say that it's worse when men do something physical to women because they're stronger than women and in the same breath say that men and women are identical and there are no advantages whatsoever in sports.
6:44 I have literally been saying this same thing. We want grandchildren not just children. Its a different focus.
good guest, i like this kiwi chap. He is intelligent, speaks really well, humble and all round nice guy. I wish people like this would have more of a voice in the ongoing gender debates and madness out there.
Do you know his book?
two words 'mouse utopia'
What’s next? We’ll study lobsters to determine how humans should act 🤦♂️
You cant really show scientific studies to people that think they are smart
Two words 'Utopian Delusions'
aka The unconstrained vision, wherein the bureaucrats and elites believe in a vision of the future that they morally have to push everyone towards, while others are playing a shell game, ripping everyone off.
"Sowell argues that the unconstrained vision relies heavily on the belief that human nature is essentially good. Those with an unconstrained vision distrust decentralized processes and are impatient with large institutions and systemic processes that constrain human action.
They believe there is an ideal solution to every problem, and that compromise is never acceptable. Collateral damage is merely the price of moving forward on the road to perfection. Sowell often refers to them as "the self anointed."
Ultimately they believe that man is morally perfectible. Because of this, they believe that there exist some people who are further along the path of moral development, have overcome self-interest and are immune to the influence of power and therefore can act as surrogate decision-makers for the rest of society."
What are you two listening to that you’re criticizing someone for mentioning mouse utopia? Wonder what group you’d be in. 😊
@@claudettes9697 Some people just do not admit that humans think like mammals and that large parts of our being and actions are controlled by our primitive brain. Freud was right with his book, for which he is often hated: the majority of our being is controlled by the drive to live and the sex drive. Otherwise, men would not form hiearchies, women would not have children, and we would not act the way we do. The mouse utopia experiment is evident in the West: when you have ample food and resources and overpopulate, you stop breeding. India and China were able to support large populations because of technology and they were always in need of child labor, they never had an utopia. Otherwise, like in tribal times, as recorded in history, people would have killed their offspring. This is essentially what North America does with abortion, where 80 million abortions have occurred, more than the casualties of both major World Wars combined.
An incredibly interesting conversation. Thank you
Chris the gender equality paradox is basicaly in a non WEIRD nation a woman who's father is a mechanic will learn to fix cars a bit,in a scandinavic country where she is off the house at 18 free to pursue her own career,she rarely choses to be a mechanic on her own
Phenomenal discussion! So many interesting topics that’ll have to watch this a few more times.
good interview
Any alien sophisticated enough to study us would already know all about the notion of culture and sexual reproduction and jealousy. These are not arbitrary traits but universal patterns that would arise in any evolutionary system anywhere.
Yeah, his whole thing is based on us accepting 1.such an alien could exist and that if it did 2. he can divine what its thoughts would be and 3.that those thoughts (his own which he is attempting to trick the listener to accept are from the alien who is a stand in for god / objectivity) are of importance to us.
It's subjectivity poorly disguised as objectivity.
He's basically saying "I'm god".
@@LeekowalskiWalkerNo. It's a thought experiment.
Did I say that it was not a thought experiment? I think your response is a non sequitur.
@@LeekowalskiWalkerYes. Stop lying about things I can see.
The most interesting conversation here, IMHO, would be a conversation between Steve Stewart-Williams and Bret Weinstein, perhaps mediated by Mr. Williamson here.
1:28:20 - Bret Weinstein has proposed a mechanism for this that he calls "lineage selection" in which there is selection for traits that benefit their offspring or the offspring of those closely related to them in the far future. I'm not sure if it's powerful enough to create the effects Chris proposes, but it's an interesting idea.
I think this video could have had much more depth. No mention of epigenetics for example, where some genes are turned on or off in response to environmental factors. Diabetes is a case in point but let’s consider myopia as they brought it up. To prevent most children with the myopia genes from developing myopia they need to spend about three hours a day in daylight and avoid long periods of close focus work. Since realising this, the incidence of myopia has gone down (China).
However it is now I am a grandmother I can appreciate the evolutionary advantage of myopia. I don’t need reading glasses. Back in the day I would have had no problem threading a needle and sewing a pair of mammoth skin slippers for my grandchildren, or removing a flint splinter from an eye for example. When food was scarce as someone still contributing to the group I might have been more likely to survive and hence my grandchildren.
Thanks
Yes! My two favourites!
So happy for you Chris to finally interview Steve! I've been listening to you talk about The Ape That Understood the Universe for years. This must have been huge for you! :)
That's great bro, I started reading it today
Does Steve supports the theories of David buss??
I love these types of episodes 💙 had his book for a while but hadn't gotten around to starting it, think I will have to now!
I can thoroughly recommend it. It's the most accessible evo bio book imo and I've even bought it for 2 friends who've never heard of it, but loved ir.
If you are reading this and haven’t already, read his book ‘The Ape that Understood the Universe’. As informative as a text book and as enjoyable as a novel.
1:24:20 LMAO. I made such argument like 5 years ago to my buddy and I was basically named naz.. uhh. bad guy from WWII. At least Im not thinking that alone, great
The initial premise ("what would an alien think of us?") makes too many huge assumptions to do justice to a worthy title/topic.
The 'replicators' segment is important. Gives us normal non-woke, non-feminist, non-soyboy types long term near-certain hope that these destructive ideologies/behaviors will just pass into history.
Seems inevitable. The ideologies aren't flexible, don't allow dissent, and only attract a small group of already prickly and noisy/annoying people. These are not typically attractive qualities.
As such, these folks will always be a noisy minority that is not attractive to others outside that group, and is only marginally attractive inside the group.
Additionally, age brings the realization that these ideologies are mere luxury beliefs anyway, and mindsets change, further decreasing the population percentage.
It's a numbers game.
The alien would get back on his spaceship and leave Earth ASAP and would never come back 😂
Idiots: It's ALL about the environment.
Other Idiots: It's ALL about the organism.
Intelligent: It's USUALLY a mix of the organism and the environment.
Enlightened: One ought consider the organism-as-a-whole within its environment-as-a-whole.
Republican: Uh, gotta get to work.
10:30 different accents suggest different socialization, which is a bigger gap in terms of social cooperation than just a different genetic ancestory.
Because we're not equal, we are complementary, and in order to create equity, the differences have to be removed.
Could it be because if either side says there’s a difference, people will dissect it as a weakness and use it as a “reason” to force others to live a specific way? To deny access/resources and imprison because of biology? If both parties could trust the other not to do this it would just be an interesting comparison that would help us work better together… but attempting to RULE each other makes this divisive and we have precedent that it will happen in practice if differences are acknowledged. Don’t acknowledge the difference, then they can’t be measured and used as weapons of socioeconomics.
The differences are there and have been there from the stone age. Everyone took under his belt what was possible for them and lived in balance , because this was the only way one could survive and reproduce. It was not about ruling over the other , but living in cooperation. Then the feminists came and said men are the enemy , they rule over you and the society , there is a patriarchy and the whole culture/gender war started. Now we live in a culture which have abandoned traditional values such as family , unity , courage , god and on the other side we have feminism , LGBTQ , men going their on way , 57% divorce rate and negative population growth (not sure for the termin though).
But those differences exist either way. They could be weaponised but pretending they don't exist won't stop someone else from weaponising them.
Acknowledging they exist and attempting to understand them means you can work out methods to stop them being weaponised.
@@deadchivalry1698 I think you both make valid points. I have seen men make comments on another video that women should not be allowed to vote or have custody in case of a divorce, which does not sit well with me. However, I have been close on the sidelines to faithless, manipulative wives, so I can't deny a seed of concern about it.
At one point we were supposed to celebrate what made us unique, and current culture of saying that people say there's a difference only to put others down hurts more than it helps. A usual woman can read emotions well; a typical man has excellent upper body strength. Neither trait is bad in itself, so we shouldn't denigrate those who have these traits and say they do.
in relation to the "applying EVPsych" section. I find the genetic puppet vs cognitive control to hack our brain/genes/environment interesting. I was wondering why my siblings are so completely different- with different personality, drives and behaviors (they are much less likely to do any hacking of base behaviors) considering we share DNA and our developmental environment. Any insights on this? (note: my siblings are all male- incase that's the answer)
Great headset on the guest. Must be a T1 fan
Who is Faker? For the blind, He is the vision.
For the hungry, He is the chef. For the thirsty,
He is the water. If Faker thinks, I agree. If
Faker speaks, I'm listening. If Faker has one
fan, it is me. If Faker has no fans, I don't
exist..
I listened to this on podcast. It was so good.
In answer to those who claim sex-differences are purely down to socialisation, why does no one ever say are you nuts or has your mind just been crippled by ideology? How on earth could evolution act on every part of the body and leave the brain alone? It’s the most important organ, for God’s sake.
Men and women are certainly different.
Two men can also be extremely different. Look at Rupaul and Jason Momoa.
The most feminine man and the most masculine woman are not even on the same side of the gender spectrum.
Yes men and women are different but not all women are the same and not all men are the same. Masculinity and femininity are different in every individual.
@michellesmith7363 True but even feminine men are usually more masculine than masculine women. It's not a spectrum, it's two spectrums.
I think it might be better to invite Gina Rippon, for example.
Music and entertainment are tools, story telling tools.
41:26
Assumption that male behaviour is desirable aka "soft bigotry of male expectations".
Lets go back to the gather vs hunter example from earlier.
Women prefer the gather task or small game hunting, its high skill, get the wrong berry half the tribe dies, knowledge of the environment, animal behaviours etc. but it's consistent, low risk with moderate to low rewards.
The men prefer the task of going out and hunting larger game, higher risk (larger animals are more of a threat, larger game means other dangerous hunter animals around etc.) no guarentee of success but with much higher rewards when it does work (meat, fat, fur, sinew, bones are all very useful and high calorie sources).
Why is the male behaviour "more desirable", because the males that succeed are preferentially chosen as mates by the women. The ones that die in the pursuit or don't succeed are no worse off that if they just did the consistent low risk tasks the females were doing (i.e. less likely/not chosen as mates).
Why is risk taking in females not prefered by males? you don't want your mate risking injury and the lives of the children, and males are less picky in their mates so showing off is less important.
So isn't this "bigotry" just mate selection gender differences all over again?
Very interesting response
Interesting! But I think if we were to apply his theory to this it would mean men thinking risk taking is good and women are inferior to men because they don't take as many risks, rather than seeing caution as a female virtue.
@@Kate-rv6kxNot really. It means that risk taking is a good behaviour for men. Conversely it would mean that caution is a good trait for women.
It doesn't require one to be inferior to the other, just for each group to have a behaviour that benefits them.
The opposite of affinity is othering
I want to do videos like this!
I definitely said what out loud to my self about the testicle body size question haha
As a retired 66 year-old male engineer who watched the US change from a traditional society to a much more equal society today, I think that we are conflating two ideas. That is, gender equality (or when people want to denigrate it - feminism) where men and women are exactly alike with freedom of choice. It’s really the later, not the former we should be talking about. Honestly, I have met few people in the last 50 years (forget the media, I’m talking real live people), who honestly think that men and women are not wired differently. Clearly, they are.
Understanding history is important. In 1970, a woman could be a housewife, secretary, teacher, flight attendant, nurse, or hooker. Those were her life options. That’s it. Young people lose sight of just how limited a woman’s options were at that point in time. She was largely a 2nd class citizen, who couldn’t even get a credit card without her husband/s approval. What women really wanted was the ability to make their own choices, as much as possible. In other words, they wanted the same freedom of choice that men had long enjoyed. If you believe in the concept of freedom, how can you be against that?
Over many years, I have heard many arguments for why a woman couldn't do ABC - and that only a man could do it - only to watch a woman do it. I think that it's entirely possible for us to accept that men an woman are biologically different, yet they can still have the same equality of choice.
Yeah, they have the freedom, but then they refuse to actually work as hard as men and risk as much as men do, and then they expect the rest of us to subsidize them. This is absurd. If a woman wants to be single and work until she’s 80, be my guest, sweetheart.
@@DisposableSupervillainHenchmanwho hurt you lol
I don't think anyone expects women to limit their life chances or opportunities because they're biological different to the other half of the human race called men. But to pursue socio-political equality to the point of denying biological differences in not only antiepistemological and fundamentally false, but it is also counterfactual, counterintuitive (the greatest of Emperor's new clothes there ever was) and counterproductive - it harms women and children. After all, how can there be feminism is there is no such thing as female?
It's time to make telling the truth popular again.
Women work part time or stay at home once they have kids. Women who choose to follow full time careers end up single.
@@StrangleholdOfTheElitehere we go, SIGN language, used by weak and stupid people when they can't refute a logical argument.
There's a very good reason for concealed ovulation, especially in a civilised society: women get to choose who they sleep with during the time they can get pregnant. And the second one: men don't get to know it, so the undesirable ones aren't purposefully targetting ovulating women. Makes total sense.
Hi Chris!
Australian governments spend millions and millions on promoting and supporting women's participation in non-traditional apprenticeships and occupations in construction, trades and mining, as demanded by the feminists ... but not a single woman ever suggests that we should spend a single cent on attracting men into careers completely dominated by women, such as pre-school and primary education, into nursing and caring, into being a receptionist?! For woman, equality of opportunity only goes one way and what male politician or bureaucrat would dare suggest we should give preference to employing males in any sphere at all??!
Who is John Tuby/Truby?😮
Still can't talk about the other elephant-in-room evolutionary differences though...
That basically "sub-species" and "race" are the exact same thing, just that one is applied to humans 😅
I witnessed the MCFC (Males Compete Females Choose) Mate Choice Model when there was a pretty woman in her early 30s and three men in the same age group in the same room (besides my partner and I). It was plainly obvious to my partner and I that the three men were (an alpha and two betas) competing with each other to "mate" with this woman. And she was relishing her popularity and the attention she received from all three men. Then we went out to a bar and one of the beta men became aggressive toward the alpha male who was talking to the woman. He was overly possessive and jealous, employing a mate guarding strategy. Eventually, the other two were completely immersed in their environment, interacting with other people and almost forgot about the woman.
It was amusing to watch this dynamic play out. But I don't think these men would have competed in this way if there had been more women in the room. The scarcity mindset played a role in this scenario.
I really like his book. Taking me forever to get through it though. It's alot
I highly recommend the audio book. It is extremely unusual in having a song/rap in it.
Thought i was on 1.25 speed
Reality is already at 1.5, pal, you're running behind.
Not one woman I have ever been into has come even close to looking like me. That’s more of a human trait.
Liked for timestamps
52:00 I read that before "property" ie the ability to accumulate stuff, women were promiscuous and the children were raised collectively by the women - there was no pair bonding. As property increased the family unit became the norm.
That's one theory, based on a few cultures, but most anthropologists would say that was not the norm. They would also say that the most successful societies are the pair bonding ones
There were hunter gatherers living traditionally well into the middle of the twentieth century in my country. And this appears to be the way the children were raised. They refer to all the children of their generation as cousins regardless of any blood relationship. And all the people of their parents generation are referred to as aunty or uncle. It appears parents were interchangeable
"Let's assume aliens are sexless utility maxxers that are incapable of feeling. They would think we're totally weird right?"
Men's stronger interest in sex and preference for sexual variety maybe explained as an evolutionary adaption. In humans, the costs associated with reproduction vary between sexes: females typically benefit from producing high-quality offspring, due to long gesticulation period, while males often benefit from mating with multiple partners. Consequently, males and females have evolved distinct adaptations to fulfill their reproductive goals. Men typically produce a vast number of sperm throughout their lives, enabling them to father children well into old age. In contrast, women have a limited number of eggs since they are an embryo that decline in quantity and quality with age, leading to menopause. This reproductive discrepancy reflects the evolutionary strategies of males and females, with men prioritizing quantity of offspring and women focusing on quality and maternal investment.
I wonder how many hunter gatherer females lived long enough to experience menopause.
@@grannyannie2948 In the 18th century, women didn't live long enough to experience it. The average life expectancy for both sexes in England was about 39-40 years old. On average, woman today go through menopause starting at age 51.
@@v9b23j The trouble with average life expectancies is high infant mortality. When you adjust for that many were living to be 60 or 70. But average life expectancy of a hunter gatherer could be 21-30, which even adjusting for infant mortality is very low.
The idea that hunting and gathering have the same level of danger is ridiculous.
Women would be left behind without male protection and saddled with small babies/children. Gathering would’ve required leaving their homestead and exposing themselves and children to wild animals. You can’t run very fast with a baby or babies on your back.
I agree. But men probably wanted their children to survive.
In 2020, I addressed this man via Twitter informing him that the gender equality paradox had been solved and the solution were new controls on s*xuality. He blocked me and didn’t learn a thing 😂
That's unlike Steve . I've always found him extremely cordial, and have spoken to him on Twitter a few times.
Did you want to air your ideas here ? This forum is full of people who have read books on Evpsych.
"new controls on s*exuality"? How does that work? 🤔
I see, another "dusty academic" episode, as you often call them. 😂 Very insightful though.
I found Stewart to be quite on the ‘dry’ side .. he was informative though
ah Ban
You could just as easily adjust why similarities between men and women are being denied.
Incorrect, the current mainstream narrative is used as a talking point, whereas you brought up some non sequitur argument to deflect.
@@TheSeth256 I’m talking about alpha bias, beta bias, and the combination of the two: gamma bias.
14:04 I didn't get his preferred difference. The vast majority of men are sexually interested in women and the same for women?
Yes, and that is an important difference. Sexually motivated decisions are being made many times each day, so how you as an individual make choices will impact your life. On a genetic level, we can understand it is beneficial for the survival of the species. But the individual has the freedom to choose. Yet choice patterns are being followed.
No he’s just saying that the biggest difference between men and women is who they’re interested in. Most women are into men, most men are into women. That’s all he’s saying
ALIEN !!!!
"Soft bigotry of male expectations." That's interesting. I just say people judge women as if they were defective men.
As a counterpoint, people judge mothers very differently to men.
Another viewpoint is that because we have lost our reverence for nature and nurturing, which women evolutionarily are more closely a part of, because women are the ones that create life and nurture. Men are the ones that help support that life by taking away others lives. Nature is the process of death, decay, birth and life. All these are equally valuable but we've become so left brain in our thinking which is more masculine we undervalue the importance of the other. And now women aren't having many children, if any, or even taking care of them ourselves, we've lost that important part of ourselves. Our culture is giving us an inferiority complex. Women who choose to be stay at home mothers feel inferior and women who choose career and don't have children end up feeling empty. We can't win. No wonder there's so much tension and confusion.
@@squeaker19694Well said.
I love accents .. Not sure that’s all people .
It’s cause the conversation got bastardized when all women wanted were the same liberties to do whatever as men.
By the way she laughs, and the way he... Uh... Lags...
Weed...? 😳
Does he really believe that a space travelling race of advanced aliens would not have their own history of literature and music?
Is he basing these conjectures off of Star Trek episodes or what?
Evolution - design by massive death
Frat twin here I would describe the affinity between identical twins as creepy personally lol.
I posted the other day my wonderings in regards to why there are more and more ADHD diagnoses. I wondered if stimulant medication was stopping us from doing all the stupid impulsive shit that used to get us killed before we had a chance to have children of our own! I like that theory and yes I decided by choice not to have children. I used to say it was because I still couldn't buy one of a shelf but now I'm a lot older it's because why would I want to put any other poor human through this ADHD shit.
Please don’t do yourself down. ADHD is so common that it must have some evolutionary advantage. And the incidence varies depending on which country you’re in, huge difference between the USA and the UK where I’m from for example which must mean there are cultural differences causing it. We’re not that different. I had a patient who had his own highly successful taxi business where he was able to use his ADHD to his advantage. He only sought help in middle age because it was affecting his relationship with his wife.
I’m sure you would have lovely children, and if they do turn out to have ADHD your experience would help them to conquer it and use their condition to succeed in life. Best of luck.
It's not a sex difference for most people of one sex to be attracted to the opposite sex... I really don't like that he categorizes it in a way that it counts as a difference instead of a similarity.
Him: males tend to like females but females tend to like males... what an interesting difference between men and women..... common sense: most people are attracted to people of the opposite sex.... so it doesn't count as a difference between the two sexes.
Well, it is a (psychological) difference. It goes against the grain of being drawn to people like you. In this instance you are being attracted to difference. And that has psychological implications. Several feminist generations have battled to get to grips with this "paradox", as politics and pleasure clearly say two things here.
I dunno about that. It seems like pretty basic biology. Men tend to want to feel powerful and want to procreate. Women typically want to feel safe and want to nurture. However, when the world is crying overpopulation and global warming is going to end us... then men feel powerless, women don't feel safe, nobody wants to procreate... everything falls apart. We run for safety or give up and get reckless.
There is a psychological aspect though.. people's brain gets broken when they get access to porn too young, and as the challenge of just surviving is replaces with modern problems... trauma with family/parents also has a big impact on our sexuality.
Huh? An alien scientist would get it in five minutes. LOL. It’s not all that crazy.
We human aren't its the schools that are teaching this bs
Where's the hat?
1:20:00 so, in other words, "it's YOUR fault you have depression"?😊😊😊😅😮😢😂❤
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alot of presumptions
culture? which one?
All cultures
*A lot
While the subject is obviously interesting I don’t see how what this guy adds is ultimately very relevant? It seems like a less distilled more derivative take on the selfish gene and he’s not even close to as well spoken as Dawkins.
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Hilarious, after all this analysis and your observations, it appears I am a man. Despite being a 47yo woman by birth, and identify as a straight woman 😅
Agreed I'm a 42 year old man that birthed 2 kids. Trying to paint an entire gender in one way is problematic
Just because exceptions to the rule exist, it doesn't mean you don't acknowledge the rule.
2-mins in, and I can already tell the other guys says "I think" wayy too much
Why does it bother you? Perhaps because you don't use your brain too much?
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What about it?
How many famines she can handle 😂😂
A woman has never wondered if a child is really her's? Has this guy never seen The Omen?
Are you seriously giving an example from a made up story in a scientific discussion?
@@TheSeth256they were cases where they accidentally switched babies in the hospital
The real question is: why do people have to point out, that there are differences between women and men ? I'm pretty sure, that every characteristic a men "usually" have, you will find in women and vice versa. And, of course, the sports thing can be a problem, but there are also differences between men and between women. I cannot play soccer in the same league as Ronaldo. I cannot fight a MMA fighter, wether female nor male. There are differences between humans. The sex doesn't matter. We should get rid of "Males are like this and females are like this." . That's simply wrong.
They’ve done this in Scandinavia and the differences between the sexes are more stark than in places where differences are “socialized”
Man i red everything you said and can say that your heart is in the right place , but the world simply does not work like that. You have different traits of character some extremes are more typical of males others of females , so there is usually a difference between the two sexes. On both extreme specters there is usually a man or a woman , hence we differ with our character and traits. What about a proffesional MMA fighter which is male fight a female MMA fighter , same weight category , would you bet wins? Or let's take football , Man City male team vs Chelsea female team (both champions in the English Premier League) , who wins then? It is normal for an untrained guy to be worse than Ronaldo in football or lose a fight against a female MMA fighter. The Scandinavian example is just before our eyes , google it.
I'd try and get your head around the idea of average differences between groups and differences between individuals. "Men are taller than women" doesn't mean that all men are taller than all women, but there is an average group difference in height. The same is true of many facets of personality, preference and priorities between the sexes.
@@fiveleavesleft6521 Ok so we both agree that there is difference between both sexes , there is average and extreme. In some extreme case there may be a guy 150cm long standing next to a 200cm woman ofcourse , but what about the average? On average men respond less to negative emotion or put other way are not so emotionally overwhelmed , women are more agreeable than men are , women are more polite , women are more introverted , women are less open to new experience. This does not mean that there ain't no woman which is disagreeable , super extroverted , not bothered by negative emotions etc. , but means that the chances are slim. And if we are going to take this outlier as evidence it is the lowest possible one on the scale of science. So why say that we should say that the two genders are equal in all traits or put the other way around why fear saying men are different then women when all the evidence point this way. Research the experiment done to twins by dr. Money. He did 1 experiment with 1 child , lied , manipulated a child and possibly sexually abused a boy just to prove his theory. The experiment is from the 70s or 80s and everyone was on the feminist misconception that men and women are the same , just the social environment determines what is the gender. By the way this was the beginning of transgenderism....
My argument is against pretending that men and women are the same , but differ because of social environment. I find this absurd.
@@user-zz7tk4yr4d I was replying to the original comment mate. I'm in complete agreement with you. I think that the idea that men and women are essentially the same is one of the most corrupting untruths prevalent in modern society.
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Its strange how you covered testi size, but you didn’t cover the fact that male humans have the largest member size of all apes.
Hack your brain as to treat casual relationships like a free prostitute (don't get attached). Don't try and remove moderate jealousy.
Commenting for the algorithm.
Same
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I love this soft male bigotry hypothesis or whatever it was. A lot of people say women make less money because they choose easy, fluffy careers like early childhood education instead of something difficult and valuable like engineering. But the problem lies in values, not the career choice. Why do we think building things is more important than raising the next generation? They are both important. They should both pay a living wage.
** To clarify why I agree with the men in the podcast: I do value the careers men typically choose, including the trades, and I think historically feminine careers like teaching, childcare, and elder care are also important for society. Equally important. 🙂
It's economics. If an engineer (usually male) develops something that can be multiplied and sold to thousands or millions of people it generates more money that a personal care worker who compassionately cares for an elderly person etc.
Even your example of a builder for example. His labor will result in the sale of a building worth 100s of thousands or millions. The potential profits will lead to a demand for that skill. Not to mention that a skilled person working in difficult conditions (weather, danger etc) deserves to be paid more IMO than most people working 9-5 in a climate controlled environment.
Would the world be a better place if we put a financial focus on jobs that require a caring and compassionate predisposition? Yes, almost certainly. But who is going to pay for it?
Because they are worth more to us.
Men *should* be paid more for the commensurate risk. A woman or caregiver does not generally risk life, limb or physical abilities to raise children. Many more male-centered occupations are _literally_ dangerous to life and limb. To deny this is to ignore the realities.
That is part of what the father is for. Her resources are expended for his children, so his resources are expended to provide for and support her.
That's insanity. That would mean everyone else would have to pay for your choice to have children.
I think it the height of arrogance to make assumptions about what any possible alien society would think or surmise about humans and human culture lol
EDIT: No one has acknowledged the 'lol' at the end. Nor accepted my personal pet peeve is not attacking the man but the idea. Wow.
And I think deliberately misunderstanding an analogy so you can "dunk" on people who disagree with you is the hight of dickishness.
@@myself2noone Naw, dawg, I have believed this since I was knee-high to a grasshopper. I think it is absolutely idiotic to think we, as humans with limited human perception, would know what another species would think when we cannot even tell what another human thinks. Anything dealing with alien life or planetary conditions are all just, literal, guesses that have zero space in a purely science based discussion. If he had used speculative terminology and made the point to illustrate it was just an imaginary guess I could respect it more. It has zero to do with throwing shade at *him* personally. It has to do with throwing shade at that particular brand of hubris.
They aren’t making any assumptions, they are musing about how a hypothetical alien might view us. What an odd take.
@@JonnyCook It wasn't offered as 'musings'.
Interesting choice of words "The *height* of arrogance"
Curiosity in the perspective of an Alien is not something that should be considered arrogant. Most human innovations were fueled by Curiosity.
Calling it the HEIGHT of arrogance is exaggerated. Isnt lol a fullstop in 2024?
Its incredibly rare for a woman to not have some sort of emotional bond with a man before having sex with him. Women must respect and admire a man before they will consider having sex, whereas a man could very much hate a woman and almost be disgusted by her but still have sex.
"Its incredibly rare for a woman to not have some sort of emotional bond with a man before having sex with him. " -- Rubbish. Some women engage in casual sex, especially when alcohol or drugs are involved. Also, you are ignoring transactional sex (prostitution, adult films etc) where an emotional bond is rarely present.
I think men and women are vastly different but I don't think your first statement is true at all. Plenty of women will have sex without even knowing a single thing about you, sometimes without having spoken to you at all. If you're a semi attractive guy and you've spent some time on the dating apps or have been to parties you'll know this is the case.
I'll go against the grain and go so far as to even say that the average man has equal or more emotional problems regarding sex/relations than the average woman. The average man has minimal options so they cling to every chance they get, the average woman has 20 guys in her rotation she she can have casual sex and if it doesnt lead to anything more, move on to the next guy.
I wish more parents would warn their girls that they mean nothing to a boy. Literally nothing. No sugar coating the situation, straight up telling their daughters just how little the outcome of their life means to a guy. Whether she just got a disease, pregnant or simple broken heart for making the mistake of sleeping with someone. Of course the boys will probably complain that no one will sleep with them 😒. Girls and women aren’t toys.
Maybe… 20 years ago. Hookup culture has changed that. Which has been detrimental for men and women, IMO.
The birth rate is going down drastically all over the world and this will affect the running of our economies
Can a secular nation improve birth rate to any significant degree? What has worked if anything?
Easy exclude childless people from attending university. If you want an education and a career, better have a kid.
Women were hunters? my arse.
You can’t catch anything either
From a logical stand point, most women would've weapon trained by their father or husband or partner and would have some grasp on hunting. You are not immune from animal attacks while gathering. And while the men are out hunting or gone how will they defend themselves? Also, you can hunt in the comfort of the camp especially if you have food inside the camp. Food attracts food(animals).
@@DaDrewinz dogs.
@@nightfurylastshadow Inuit - men hunt. Khoisan and african tribes- Men hunt. Bornean tribes - men hunt. New Guinean tribes - men hunt. nfi whats controversial here.
If women were hunters then why do their shoulders throw terribly
The framing device is preposterous and right off the bat shows epistemological and biological ignorance. Massive speculations
Respect to you, sir!
That intro set off so many alarms. Why accept such an alien could exist... And oh how interesting that you are capable of knowing its thoughts and attitudes... And so on
@@LeekowalskiWalkerWe don't. We use the idea one could exist as a thought experiment to disply the awnser to the second question.
I thought the "media litteracy is dead" arguments were an exagration, but holly hell dude.
@@myself2noone his thought experiment is nonsense. ‘Let’s pretend aliens are the wild thornberries….’ oh what insights can we glean from this 🙄
Perhaps you could elaborate instead of making sweeping statements ?
@@myself2noone yeah, but that still requires you to agree that it's a legit "idea". Its not just the case that any one can say anything and then go "it's a thought experiment so you must accept all my premises and faulty logic" or whatever.
So, yeah we have to conceptually accept that 1. such an alien could exist 2. this douche is capable of knowing the thoughts and feelings of said alien ... he's just trying to disguise "what I think" as "what god thinks". It's really weak sophism.
There's no identifier when a girl is able to conceive.I called BS on that I can tell even if I don't know the woman.I can tell you if she's on the time of the month or not
It’s pretty easy to tell when a woman is menstruating.
How can you tell when she’s ovulating? What are the signs?
Halfway through and still basically no major differences pinned down… Ready to admit we’re all the same? We’ll see how the rest goes…
This tells us more about your attention span than it dose anything else.
@@myself2noone coo!!! Well I finished it off, virtually no information related to the title of the video was presented whatsoever.
Men and women are different genders and they can never be equal.
Men chase freedom.
Women chase love.
Both Together Can Be Happy Forever.
Love is to deliberately shackle oneself. You don’t get to have both.
Love is the greatest freedom. Love is not attachment. Attachment is self-imposed restriction.
Is this guys whole argument gonna be based on the view from am alien mind that he created and curates?
He gives no reason to follow him on this fantasy adventure or to accept such an alien could exist it that if it did exist why it's evaluation of us is worth anything to us, etc. etc. and then I suppose he is going to draw conclusions about reality from this fantasy.
None of us are capable of divining the view of an alien from a lifeform which has no gender or art.
This is equally as stupid as what he is against.
Oh, my god it's a metaphor. Get off your high horse.
Looks like someone has zero comprehension skills.
@@myself2noone it's not a metaphor, it's a thought experiment and what you wrote is not an argument.
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@@LeekowalskiWalker You wish