10 Star Trek: TNG Facts You Probably Didn't Know
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Fun Fact: While touring the engine room set Professor Hawking when seeing the warp core is quoted to have said: "I'm working on that!"
Came to the comments looking for this..... I'm not disappointed 😁😁😁
Yup, I was going to post that but you beat me to it :)
@Maurice Turner I think your cat should try Feline Nutritional Supplement 47 and stay away from your keyboard.
Yes. I hope someone does. If humanity needs it at all, it is right now!!
Now that is just goals to be able to say that and people won’t be sure you’re joking or not,
This year Wil Wheaton is as old as Patrick Stewart was when he was cast as Jean-Luc Picard in ST:TNG.
I refuse to believe this. Lol.
Oh... I don't like that.
@@jondorsey2043 It gets worse! Wil was born in 1972 which makes him 48 years old. Sir Patrick was born in 1940, and the first season of ST:TNG came out in 1987, when he was 47 years old.
God! I feed old! lol
@@jalabi99 So Sir Patrick has always looked old. I wouldn't be surprised if he looked the same at 25.
I had heard that Nichelle Nichols almost left the original series but was convinced to stay by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (Dr. King was also a big Star Trek fan). I didn't know Whoopi Goldberg wanted to do the show because she saw Nichelle's Lt. Uhura on TV. That made me tear up a bit hearing this story. So one could make the argument that there would've been no Guinan without Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Witnesses to her saying that the first few times say she started out saying she imagined that conversation happening and hadn't actually met him.
Whoopi will talk about it at length if you ask her. Actually Levar says similar things about the impact Uhura had on him.
@@NeoTechni evidently Dr. King called or sent a letter. I don't know that they ever met.
@@vic5015, her story did fluctuate some details from telling to telling, but I believe they met in person at a Star Trek event. That's the last version I've heard Nichelle tell.
I cannot imagine STNG without WHOOPI ! OR EVEN THE YOUNG ACTOR WESLEY!!
They did make a great decision with Patrick Stewart, a commanding presence and Picard was not a Kirk clone. Trying to imitate Kirk may have failed.
That was supposed to be Will Riker's character.
Stewart hated the very thing that catapaulted him to stardom
Agreed. I think it is the mistake that Stargate made too. Mitchell and Shepherd feel too much like O'Neill too me.
@@danielyeshe I don't know if those where mistakes. Mitchell was fine and Shepherd had an unique dynamic with McKay. I think both Mitchell's SG1 and Atlantis benefited from having a more expansive cast compared to the original O'Neill (with two Ls) inception, allowing some deviation away from O'Neill.
@@Tuning3434 Yeah I don't dislike either of them but Teal'c even says that Mitchell reminds him of O'Neill in one episode. All this said I don't know what I would have done differently. Obviously we wouldn't have wanted a hard-nosed gruff CO. That would have been no fun at all!
Did anyone else click on this link to find out more about Data's ears?
Yup, but I get it. It was about him supposedly being a "Vulcan" but they decided to go with an Android instead. It was a good move cause Data's more awesome than having a Vulcan.
I hadn’t thought about it before but I really appreciate the lack of conflict within Enterprise leadership. I had a somewhat turbulent upbringing and the stability and professionalism I saw on Star Trek was really refreshing and therapeutic to me at the time.
I liked that the lack of internal conflict. Stable, well adjusted, and professional crew seems like the future we would want. There’s some middle ground to be had as seen with some later seasons.
I've heard Marina's costume rant. The best part is when she talks about the green dress, which she described as a leotard with a skirt sewn around it, and that "to go to the bathroom, I had to get naked."
She called the original costume a cheerleader outfit. Marina is nothing like her character. I guess that makes her a great actor.
@@krane15and then she complained because when she was promoted and made the switch to the standard uniform, the one production gave her was not made for her; it was one that had been made for an extra lol.
Yesterdays Enterprise was probably one of my best episodes of that series it really made the next generation.
Agreed. That was the episode that gave us Crosby's Romulan character, the Praetor Sela.
Way too dark for me. But that departure was the point.
YOUR best episodes? Didn't know you wrote it.
Everything I read about DC Fontana, she seems cool as hell.
She was the beating heart of Star Trek for years. Arguably one of the most important figures in the history of the franchise.
@@jondorsey2043 Absolutely! She passed a couple of tears ago, so R.I.P. DC Fontana.
She help keep ST on its feet and heading in the right direction
Its lists like this that cement my argument to people when they bash the newer shows saying Gene would roll in his grave or it wasn't his vision. If Gene had gotten his way TNG would have never existed and the franchise would have turned to dust. I honestly believe he would have never given the thumbs up to DS9 or VOY.
Yeah, I really can't imagine Gene giving the green light to Voyager.
What i find funny is that what they hold up as "Gene's Trek" isn't really Gene's Trek at all
He was protecting his child. And let's face it, Gene was out there. I haven't seen any productions that I hate, except for killing Trip and no more T Pol or Hoshi naked scenes.TOS and TNG lacked what all great productions lack, a love story. It's in our DNA. I'm still disappointed that Odo fought for Kita and so easily gave it up to go sit in a tub of goo. Riker married Troy. Whoopie. Picard and Vash or Beverly would have been so much more interesting. Imagine Spock marrying Chapel. Gene was pretty cold in my opinion.
Not giving thumbs up to DS9 would have been sacrilege! VOY not so much.. 😬
@@HailAnts VOY has its moments, Year of Hell should have been a season
I can understand why Gene had substance abuse problems. I did a small research project about him. WWII and as a private pilot he was involved in a fair amount of airplane crashes. Even one as a passenger, believe me when I say I’m not bashing him. But stuff like that may have led to his substance abuse issues.
Assuming he had PTSD, substance issues would be *very* understandable. Many people with PTSD attempt to self-medicate.
In Hollywood, a condition as common as cotton candy at the fair.
@@krane15 Also, WW2 pilots ended up with some created by the military with various stimulants being given out to try keeping them alert and going. Several of those ended up as major issues.
"The velour fabric of the Original Series ripped easily."
Music to '60s Shatner's ears!
Now that's funny! 😁
I don't know why they didn't just keep it simple with some cotton/poly.
There is nothing futuristic about not knowing how clothes went on and off.
Nothing AT ALL futuristic about that.
I never could figure out why they didn't like pockets or belts. Seems to me an away team would wear cargo pants, to be practical. Keep your tricorder in one pocket, phaser on your belt instead of velcroed to your side, things like that.
Make it realistic.
Zapp Brannigan: “Ah, velour.”
@Joseph Norm he had a knack for ripping his shirts (x 7)/ ending up shirtless which was parodied in Galaxy Quest.
@@joermnyc "Leela, it's real velour... Just let yourself go."
😂
Did anyone else watch this going, “Cool… I knew that one, too…” to see how hardcore they are about their fandom? 😂
More like surprised how hardcore I apparently am....
I knew all that because I watched another recent video with about the same content.
@@En_theo Funny, I realized I knew 6 of these from this very channel. Haha!
Yes. I don’t like being challenged!
I did a little even though I am not a hard core TNG fan I prefer the original but TNG is a good show
It would be very hard to imagine Star Trek without Patrick Stewart.
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This video can be summed up with this statement. TNG was a success because Gene Roddenberry did not get his way.
I was gonna sum it up as "Roddenberry was creative but he was also a sexist dickweed."
@@BeeWhistler Steven Spielberg had a similar problem to Gene Roddenberry. Both are creative geniuses but require an outside perspective to filter the good ideas from the bad. This is apparent in the remakes of the original Star Wars movies. His changes and added scenes degrades the quality of the movie and story line. After he became famous enough that he could not be told "no, that won't work" his movies did not have the same quality as his earlier work.
TNG was successful because it was tied to a successful movie franchise and a superior show in syndication that shared the name.
@@opossumlvr1023 Stop saying things moron.
@@alphanerd7221 Glad that we agree that Gene Roddenberry isn't the reason that TNG was a success. Only difference is that we arrived at the same conclusion via a different route.
No one going to say anything about Bronzy calling him "Georgie" LaForge the first two times?
I think he said "Geordie," but it only sounds like "Georgie" because of his accent.
@@Apocalypso64 Turn on Closed Caption. The first two times he says it, they say "Georgie" then it's "Geordie" every time after that.
Just yet another example of how little MB knows about Star Trek. His lists often have these kinds of mistakes.
I know. How could someone who is a Trekkie do that? Even if a script had it misspelled how could it be said, and not corrected in post?
I had to rewind to double check he definitely did say Georgie then corrected himself.
The irony of all of this is that the very good and charismatic actor Patrick Stewart is one of the reasons that I became a fan of the TNG series and Star Trek including DS9 (Captain Sisko including Worf) and that the character of Captain Jean-Luc Picard is my favorite captain even more as Captain Kirk.
How is that irony?
Same here 🖖
@@Thurston86 Jean Luc Picard turned out to be the best captain of the franchise and the best character representing Roddenberry's vision. The irony lies in that Roddenbery supposely didn't want Patrick Steward to play the character, and we can't imagine any other actor doing a better representing his vision of an utopic future.
@@charlescole645 Thank you! I did not get the point in OP’s comment (like Alanis Morriestte, I cant discern irony very well). And I agree, Picard is by far the best captain and anyone but Patrick Stewart playing him would’ve been a travesty. Just like the toupee they almost made him wear! Lol. Live long and prosper, dude! 🖖
He was not happy with his character much when he started? but it did a lot of good for has future in TV and film so great actor yes👍
Troi's powers were poorly defined. Ain't that the truth!
Especially when she “senses” something bloody obvious.
"We are the Borg. Lower your flyswatters and surrender your ships."
I didn't know about the conflict issue. I'm kind of glad in a way. Later on when conflict did happen it was never overblown or loud. Playing into the idealistic future character conflict was always handled with calm, rational minds.
A great example is when Data was acting captain and Worf was his first officer. Their conflict leads to a great scene where Data explains to Worf what is expected in his current role and even offers him an out if he thinks he can't do it.
Yeah, as I recall his postion is that the Star Fleet characters shouldn't have conflicts with each other and all the show's conflict would come from outside but even that would be very limiting. Interpersonal conflict is important to drama as well.
@@LibraGamesUnlimited. I think you can have interpersonal conflict, but I think it should be limited, I would hope that we could have grown up a little more as a species and this would need to be shown in how interpersonal conflict is expressed and dealt with.
@@robertt9342 Roddenberry didn't see it that way. To his mind the human characters should always agree and get along and all the conflict had to come from outside.
As fans of both "The Invaders" and "Homicide: Life On The Street", I feel that Roy Thinnes and Yaphet Kotto would've pulled off the captain's role pretty well. Glad we got "stuck" with Patrick Stewart, though.
Roy Thinnes would have also been my first choice too.
Yaphet Kotto would have been awesome!
I’m a fan of Kotto, he would have made an exceptional captain.
@@paulcochran1721 Agreed: the first Black Jewish man as a Starship Captain!
Picard is, AFAIK, the only French Yorkshireman to become a senor Starfleet captain!
I'm glad Stephen Hawkins was able to take part in this (and other things too).
Also, poor Geordi! That banana clip always bugged me, and often imagined how hard it was to look thru. Guess I was right, poor guy.
Stephen
@@stratfordbaby Thank you; I don't want to be rude to his memory✌️
Bonus little known fact (maybe not among Trekies) Martin Luther King was directly responsible for Nichelle Nichols being on Star Trek. She was going to drop out (I don't remember why...., maybe a Trekie can help me with that) and Martin Luther King, himself, called her and convinced her to stay! Thank you, MLK!
She was unhappy with character development, to paraphrase her, she thought she was basically the captain's secretary/telephone operator, taking messages etc...
plus TOS main three characters got all the best scenes.
@@RichO1701e Which is true, ofc. But it's still great she stayed, and she has some good scenes in the movies. Particularly ST6.
@@countluke2334 Fast forward 6 films and I'm sure she's glad she stayed too.
I knew about that. I was lucky enough to find an interview of hers somewhere on CZcams.
@@RichO1701e She is great in that role. I never considered her the secretary. She was the ears of the ship - very important in that vast and potentially dangerous cosmos. Not to mention that she was also the voice that could help and save.
A friend of mine was on the crew (lighting) in the first few years of ST:TNG. The general consensus of the cast and crew was that Roddenberry was the show's worst enemy.
Ask your friend about Adam Goodwin.
There is a guy in these comments that says he was the lead writer during the writer's strike, that they called him "The heart of the Enterprise ".....
And that he was 9 years old.
That was not a typo, he claims to.have been NINE.
A typical response to genius. Plebeians don't understand them.
From everything I heard he had some really difficult ideas about the future, such as mentioned in the video. How do you do drama without conflict?
@@LibraGamesUnlimited You don't. Without conflict, there is no drama.
@@krane15 Yeah, and you can tell the difference between the episodes that were made while he was alive and the ones after he passed.
The borg being insects was new for me. They would've been even more terrifying.
They would now, but they would not have back then.
It would have been very campy and "B-Movie" had they tried it.
The symbiot bugs from Conspiracy were originally going to be the Borg.
Would have been original too. I once read that the Borg we got were rip-offs of something called the Cybermen in Dr. Who.
Imagine that music playing as Riker says Mr Worf fire! As an insectoid version of Picard is on the screen declares that your life as it has been is over number one as it fades to black on to be continued...
Part 2 may have been more interesting as they deintegrate Picard from an insect and return him to a humanoid form somehow.
@@alm2187 that theory was actually started by whovians
@@alm2187 after being introduced to Doctor Who, I couldn't help wondering if the Cybermen and the Daleks had inspired the Borg.
Hard to imagine TNG without Dorothy Fontana.
Actually it's quite easy. Just not very pleasant.
Harder to imagine ST TOS without DC Fontana. As for Police Officer Roddenberry with regard to Patrick Stewart, f**k him and the sehlat he rode into town on. Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Frakes, Marina Sirtis, and the rest of the actors appearing on TNG made the show work.
Appreciate the thumbnail for this video.
When I first saw Encounter at Farpoint, when Riker mentioned, ‘the Admiral’, I thought it would be William Shatner reprising his role as Admiral James T. Kirk.
The interplay between Adm./Dr. McCoy & Data was fun, though. Its obvious Data never told Capt.Picard of Adm. McCoy’s advice of treating the Enterprise D as ‘a lady’, given her fate in Generations.
The insistance that TNG avoid conflict within the crew was too idealistic & perfectionist as Classic Star Trek had Mr. Spock & Dr. McCoy feud, or Jim argue with either of them depending on the episode’s issue. Its a good thing Mr. Berman & co. ignored this come Deep Space Nine.
Mr. Hurley planned the Borg to engage Starfleet & the Federation for a full season before they finally got defeated, but he left the series before it can be put into motion.
The Roddenberry/Stewart thing always amazes me. A member of the Royal Shakespeare Company wants to take part in your show, and you have doubts?
I knew all of these but then I am a 40 year old Star Trek geek. This is a good bit of education for anyone that came into Star Trek in recent years, though.
I have the book Gene Roddenberry: The Myth & etc and it reveals a lot about the man (as you would expect from the title), including how he was an accomplished liar. No spoilers, it's well worth reading.
He reminds me of an L. Ron Hubbard type.
Well, it seems that everything that made STTNG so great was opposed to his ideas.
@@En_theo certainly his insistence that the crew have no interpersonal conflicts was a bad one. Without conflict stories are just boring. Conflict = drama.
A spoiler[?]: Roddenberry's combination of conflicting genius, adherence to principle, venality, and frequent acting-out is not that unusual for an alcoholic.
@@vic5015
Yeah, also unless humans have genetically been changed, I don't see how competition or venality (a world without currency seems impossible, you need money at least as a measurement instrument) would disappear.
I knew them all, but your enthusiasm in presenting them made the video entertaining.
Finally, a things you didn't know video about Star Trek that that actually had some things in it that I didn't know.
I did not realize the inspiration for Troi.
I knew about the whole thing with 4 boobs, though.
The only one I didn't know was the beeeewbs.
Knowing Roddenberry, it doesn't surprise me though!
@@BigJeremyBeyer I did know about the Phase 2 inspiration for the TNG characters, heck, Decker and Riker sound similar, and they both have the same first name. My biggest question is that if they gave Troi four boobs, would she be a more or less popular character, and would her jumpsuit have had a second cutout for double cleavage? Maybe just a diamond in the middle so we get underboob on the top and cleavage on the bottom?
@@shattered_helix I think whatculture would have one day done a video called "the failed revival attempt of Star Trek" had they done that.
@@BigJeremyBeyer I don't know, people are weird, and it was the 80s, which were also weird.
10 out of 10. Many I learned from past Whatculture / Trek culture videos.
Roddenberry didn't want personal conflicts among the crew? That seems strange, considering the way Spock and McCoy carried on like an old married couple on TOS.
Maybe this is why the character interactions on TNG often feel wanting to me. Compared to TOS, DS9, VOY, where not all the characters get along make for livelier banter.
I've always heard that the "Picard maneuver" (he wasn't the only one who did it) of the shirt pulling was because Gene hated wrinkles
Data was actually based on Questor (from the 1974 TV pilot, Questor Tapes), which predates Phase II by three years. 🤖
Link to this info.
The Stephen Hawking guest appearance is one of my favorite episodes.
Yes, very sweet! I saw that on its 1st run! I knew WHO the real 'scientist' was!
@@DMSProduktions not *that* hard to figure out. You just had to know one of them was real.
I thought I had dreamed up Number 4 or that it was a rumor I had heard somewhere. Thank you for confirming it and giving more specific details in this video.
So we have Dr. King to thank for Guinan?
Yes. Because Dr. King convinced Nichele Nichols not to quit TOS.
I started watching TNG this year. TOS right b4 that. I cant believe ive never experienced this before
Welcome to the fandom! ☺️
Start on DS9 concurrently right after "THERE. ARE. FOUR. LIGHTS!"
Then Voyager whenever DS9 is done, since there is no crossover there that makes a difference.
Then finish it off with Enterprise, which most people (including me) did not like the first watch through, but liked it better on rewatch.
@@BigJeremyBeyer
I grew up with Enterprise! I started watching season 3 on its first broadcast every week with my dad when I was 4 years old.
I don't think it's the best Trek series (because you know... DS9) but I'm so emotionally attached to it, I think it's my favourite series.
Damn, guys. Even in their weakest episodes, the writing is top notch. They've mastered tv dramas using sci fi
@@sarahscott5305 DS9 is also my favorite.
THE Descent!!!
Along with The Redemption, The Unification, and my favourite, The The Best of Both Worlds.
9:40...the one major star actress that wanted to be on Star Trek and since then has become a legendary character since.
Now all major stars want a peice of the Sci-fi properties
Star Trek: The Next Generation didn't wanted to be connected too closely with the original show early in its run yet they had DeForest Kelly aka Dr. McCoy in the pilot!
That was more likely a "passing of the torch" scene, to satisfy fans of the original that yes, the old crew does approve of the new one, so you're in good hands.
And most of the season 1 scripts were either altered unused TOS scripts, or remakes from TOS
Well apparently I'm a hardcore fan, since I knew almost all of it. Even though I started watching Star Trek few years ago, and haven't finished DS9 and VOY yet.
I can't possibly imagine how TNG would have worked without Patrick Stewart!
@@mrliberty8468 Seriously ? Patrick Stewart brought a gravitas to the part, the finest Captain Starfleet ever had, all down to Stewart's acting.
Better.
I wonder, if they hadn't gone with Stewart for Pickard, would Q have become such a popular character?
I forgot about Q. Text character really sucks
I agree! Captain Picard and Q interacted SO very well together!
Georgey La Forge?
Nicely done. It was refreshing to have factual content backed up by quality relevant clips from the shows. Now you have a new subscriber!
Wow, that IS fascinating. I enjoyed that more than I thought I would.
Great list! I actually knew every one of these.
NERD!!! I'm joshing, sir. I'm standing right next to you. LOL.
Another fact about the Borg being almost insectoid was that the Bluegill Parasites from the episode "Conspiracy" were what they used to assimilate others.
I knew 10/10 of these, but still fascinating to see them again.
A note on the Phase II -> TNG relation: Due to a strike amongst writers when preparing for season 2 of TNG, several ideas or indeed manuscripts intended for Phase II was reworked to TNG, and because of a lack of experienced writers this caused at least some episodes of TNG season II to be of poor or even downright bad quality.
My sister and I used to act out Star Trek stories. We used banana clips if we had a blind character. Funny learning that the banana clip was the true inspiration for the visor 😆.
Not sure why Geordi's Visor couldn't be updated over the years as a way of showing the passing of time a bit.
Maybe with googly eyes glued on the front?
I knew maybe a quarter. Some of it was a bit more detail. It was still nice.
One small addition which may or may not be widely known... or entirely fictitious.
When Dr. Stephen Hawking was touring the TNG soundstages, he was on the main engineering set, indicated towards the Warp Core and commented "I'm working on that..."
It's true!
Yeah, that's common knowledge.
But it was likely a joke.
He was a known sarcastic, douchey, but often funny guy. I would find it hard to believe that he wouldn't say something silly like that in such a situation.
@@patrickmccurry1563 Stephen Hawking had a fantastically dry sense of humor. Funny guy too.
brent spiner is an under appreciated actor! data is hilarious! he played so many different characters on ST TNG.
The bug concept was reintroduced in Voyager with Species 8472, in fact at one point they were defeating the Borg.
It took them till 1996 in First Contact to finally have ocular implants for Geordi. Definitely much more comfortable without that visor.
Sight-prohibitive hair clip, or funny contacts?
I'll take the contacts.
@@BigJeremyBeyer You didn't wear contacts in the 80s. Rigid, gas impermeable lenses hurt like a b***********tch. They were aggravating even after getting used to them according to my mom. I never could. Even the soft lenses of the 90s were unpleasant.
@@patrickmccurry1563 so let me get this straight ...
Your eyes reacted badly to contact lenses, and that is somehow evidence that I never wore contacts?
You should go become an inspecticator.
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I miss the visor'd Geordie. It was an iconic look.
@@Action_Figure_King after his visor was used for a spy mission that destroyed the flag ship, they kinda needed to make sure that couldn't happen again.
Feels a lot more comfortable and has a lot more power than my wheelchair.
Nnnnnnneeeeeeerrrrrdddddddd!
There's an episode of Frasier where noel tried to get a petition signed (for star trek) to get a new character the all-powerful space vixen rozalinda!
Four-breasted queen of the planet Rozniak!.
One of two worlds in co-orbit; Rozniak & Zobs. (Yes, I realize this joke doesn't work in the same context as the Frasier joke.)
I signed that Petition!
they just had to go one better than Eccentrica Gallumbits
@@5ynthesizerpatel Nice reference!
@@thefurrybastard1964 It is indeed. I was going to make it but I was a month late. :)
Most of them !! Thanks for the ones I didn’t know !! 👍
When you hear about all the problems with Roddenberry and consider the fact that the beginning of TNG (when he was still alive) wasn't as good as the rest you realize that he really held the show back. Who knows if Star Trek would still exist.
6/10 is how many I knew!
10/10 is the rating of this video!
You know it.
10/10 is my rating for this video.
10/10 is also my rating for Morris Gautreau and his usual enthusiastic positivity ☺️
Wholesome thread
@@sarahscott5305 Thank You! I just really love Star Trek, TNG was my favorite show during it's run.
Oh, that's a mistake.
TNG originally aired in "1987," NOT "1997."
Just thought I'd point that out.
This is the second comment saying that. Are you referring to the very beginning? He says 1987. Maybe it’s just his accent that causes people to think he said 1997?
@@redapol5678 Yep, it's MY mistake. I listened to it twice, too, and I still heard '97.'
I apologize. After reading your comment, I went back and listened to it, again and heard '87' this time, lol.
@@VylePhinder actually I did read another comment that suggested they may have edited it after the mistake was pointed out. So you may have been right
I was discussing a possible "Phase 5", if you will...
Trek 2705 - Back to the Delta Quadrant
Revisiting many of the Species, and resulting issues of Voyager voyaging its voyage 👍
What do you all think?
I'm into it. Voyager is my favourite of that generation of trek, despite a few fairly glaring issues. I deeply enjoy the borg getting bullied.
Guinan seems too have power when face with Q , but they seem to not continue with that notion.
@Neil Rosenau but how would that have worked? Guinan has a special relationship with Picard and only Picard.
I only knew 7! 😮 nice job finding things I didn't know!
I guess the Borg Bug idea eventually got realized with the Undine, which is pretty awesome.
Didn't know a single fact. Thanks for enlightening me!
brent also said he didn't really speak to hawking. not because he was being rude, but because it was a lot of effort for steven to converse, and brent felt he didn't have anything to say that would be worth steven's effort to interact with lololol
Seven seasons of Riker and Ilia on the same ship would have been fun.
Riker need a show.
That level of over the top sex on 80s prime time TV would have gotten it cancelled after one season if that.
I have a feeling the show would've turned into a porn parody pretty quickly if that was the case. :)
@@patrickmccurry1563 Movie it to skinamax?
Ironic that GR tried to show us humanism with no infighting only to create friction among the writers who had to work around that.
Or that it was fulfilling his fantasy in a way he had power to enact. He wished everyone just freaking obeyed his "orders" in real life. When that wasn't possible, he just forced everyone to do it in story form.
Too many women? Obviously, he didn't know his core audience at the time (or did he considering what Troi wore).
Pretty much every TNG fan has known #1 and #2 pretty much forever.
Keep churning out these videos!!!!
Yeee! Thank you for showing the banana hairclip looking like a Cheshire cat grin. :-P
To this day, after I found out about the Roddenberry Box (as his strict vision and rules about said vision came to be known), I use it to describe the kind of mentality of creators who want so overwhelming control of their creations, that it proves a detriment to said creation, and the only way for the people actually working on it to make it better, is to give the box a good smashing with a hammer. I've done it for Shigeru Miyamoto (and his vision with classic Nintendo franchises like Mario and Zelda), George Lucas (with his take on the Star Wars prequels), and Ken Penders (with his obsession with his version of the Archie Sonic the Hedgehog comics).
Agreed. I think the Prequels could have been so much better......but then the Sequels come to mind and who knows now??? 🤷🏻♂️
Roddenberry's Box is how Insurrection happened. But unlike Nemesis, Insurrection was still a faithful, enjoyable film.
I wrote and submitted a Spec Script for STV. It was read, marked with red pen and returned to me. I still have it.
Sirtis basically only stayed on for the second season by winning a war of attrition, with Crosby getting fed up and leaving and McFadden being fired by Maurice Hurley. I love Troi and all but odds were pretty good that she'd have been Kes'd if either of her other two female costars had stayed on for S2.
I don't think Troi was that interesting of a character until the last couple of seasons at least, but I am a huge fan of Marina Sirtis as a wonderfully versatile actress
@@johntabler349 Yeah, she did the best she could with what they gave her, but it's pretty telling how the best Troi episode, "Face of the Enemy," was originally written as a Beverly episode.
@@posindustries she along with Kelsey Grammar and David Ogden Steirs are 3 actors whom i think of as true upper echelon performers whose most popular character is one I don't like
"For example, the Borg Collective, which was built on the idea of an insects like hivemind."
You know, a hivemind. Just like the one that insects don't have.
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Whoopi either lied or the narrator did about how old Whoopi was. She was born in 1955 and the show came out in 1966.
Or she misremembered and a quote got loose repeated everywhere. I've done that a few times, only to later reevaluate due to proven dates. It's more expected if annoying to go the other way; "wait, I was an adult when that came out, not a child".
Yesterday’s Enterprise is an exploration of the alt timeline paying homage from TOS Mirror Mirror. Fascinating.
"Roddenberry felt that there were too many women on the show at the time."
Wtf?
Given his reputation, maybe he meant that there were too many women that were wearing too many clothes.
@@peteg9069 Lol.
@@peteg9069 wasn't there an allegation Roddenberry assaulted the actress who played Yeoman Rand and that's why her character disappeared?
@@vic5015 I don't know about that, but he was - allegedly - a womaniser, and the skirts were very short
@@vic5015 The actress who played Rand did report suffering a sexual assault during the run of TOS, but never accused anyone iirc
The Greek name for the city of Troy was Ilium, so at least one of the writers must have had some sort of classical education.
Probably not Roddenberry or other writers. Maybe more of the better writers who went to Harvard, St. John's, Oxford, etc.?
@@shepwillner7507 Yeah, because you need to study at Harvard or Oxford in order to know such things. 🙄 I knew them when I was in my secondary school...
@@eeaotly Good for you knowing that stuff. I read "Gods, Graves, and Scholars" by C. W. Ceram, where I learned more about the ancient name for Troy, how Heinrich Schliemann discovered the ancient city, along with other legendary towns like Mycenae. That said, I also learned a lot about ancient cultures like Egypt, Mesopotamia, India, China, Greece and Rome in 7th grade--enough to be awarded the 7th grade history award in June '71. How many school awards did you win for every grade you attended school? I won a whole lot of them. I also attended college, graduate school and B-school. I graduated from all three institutions; regarding B-school, I attended the school's classes while also holding down a Federal job. I earned my MBA in June '99.
As for Harvard, I didn't go there because I would not have belonged among all the brilliant kids and/or wealthy country club set. Moreover, neither my grades nor my SAT scores were good enough to warrant my applying for admission to an Ivy League college. My folks didn't care about a school's reputation or whether it was listed as a Top 100 school in a magazine article. They cared more about whether the school would provided the academic support I needed to succeed in my studies.
9 out of 10. I had no idea that the Borg were initially meant to be bugs and splicing in those clips of Starship Troopers makes me really wish they'd tried.
Two of Star Trek Classic series original cast members made guest appearances in TNG. Deforest Kelly as a very old Doctor McCoy in two part Far Point station episode in brief conversation with Data. And James Doohan as Older Engineer Scotty in episode Relics. Doohan as Chief Scotty was discovered in crashed Spaceship on a Dyson's Shpere. He had survived 75 years by jury rigging transporter to maintain his molecular pattern.
3! Spock was in "Reunification 1 and 2"
I knew all of them except for the borg being bugs and Patrick Stewart not being approved of. Very interesting stuff.
Wait, TNG aired before 1997 tho. It was 1987-1994, im looking at my dvds right now
He said 1987 at the beginning. Unless you’re referring to something else?
09:03 and by a staggering coincidence, came up with a character design virtually indistinguishable from the Supreme Leader's troops from Captain Eo.
Gene Roddenberry also had a television pilot called The Questor Tapes about a human appearing Android that also played into the development of the character Data.
Well I did know quite a few of these facts before, but maybe not before seing many other Star Trek related CZcams videos... (lists like this or from discussions at conventions)!
Maybe the only one I knew before CZcams was the fact that Stephen Hawking was a huge Star Trek fan.
I remember, as a kid, reading about how they held the VISOR to Lavar's head. No one at the time believed me.
No characters from Star Trek the motion picture didn't "become" characters on TNG. The specific ones you called out were completely out of the picture by the end of the movie.
gene was difficult behind the scenes? that's something a trek fan wouldn't already know?
Stewart had doubts about being in the series. His agent convinced him to take the job by telling him that the series wouldn't last long.
lol that aged well... now fast forward to 2022 and he's doing a spinoff series.
Did anyone mention that Betazoids have black irises? It took me a while to figure that out.
It took me quite a while to realise Marina Sirtis’s natural eye colour wasn’t brown! But weirdly Majel Barrett’s contact lenses did appear quite alien in some scenes
Stephen Hawking was rumored to say while visiting the engineering section:
“I’m working on that.”
I second the Post-It note.