The WORST PARTS of The BEST JRPGs - PART 4!
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In a weirdly round about way the desert in Breath of Fire III was a big part of why I became obsessed the game and ending up loving it.
As a kid I watched my older brother play a lot of great games that we rented, including this one. That first play through of his will always be one of my good memories, however he got stuck at the desert and dropped the game there. It wasn't until some years later that I bought the game and had my brother warn me that I'd most likely get stuck in that infamous desert, so the feeling of triumph was pretty huge when I finally got there and got through it, followed by that great feeling of having no idea what's going to happen next.
Yeah, the infamous desert to oasis... I once dropped there too.. after circling around for hours . Later few years.. i manage to pass through
I still remember the very first time I played FF7, I completely missed the whole Wutai area until I was exploring the world and tracking down endgame equipment and whatnot. I was on Disc 3, basically ready for the final showdown and I stumbled into Wutai... I was so far beyond the point that the game intended for you to go there that even with no materia it was basically a joke.
The end of Dragon Quest II is indeed brutal. Not only cave of rhone with all the pitfalls you can fall through, but then the area after that the random battles are insane. You gotta do tons of leveling to make sure you are ready for the final dungeon and even after gaining many levels some of the random battles in the final areas can be a nightmare. The enemies are crazy in the final area of DQ2.
Tell me about it. Dragon Quest 2 is my least favorite RPG game because I got my characters maxed out and they still got their butts kicked by the strongest monsters. How is that even possible?!
@@Dinobolt1 if you're playing the original NES version, the Prince of Cannock and the Princess of Moonbrooke have a bug in regards to their stats, I don't remember the specifics but it effectively renders them incredibly fragile, especially in the late game. I don't know if this carries over to any of the later ports or not.
Exactly even at lv 99 the Rhone cave enemies are lethal and I could be wrong while their IS a spell in the DQ games that's basically the FF games MUTE/Silence spells in DQ2 that fizzle spell to make Thwack Fail almost NEVER works in DQ2 at all.
Is dq2 harder than 7th saga? I doubt it.
Wooden Sword Hollow Bastion from Kingdom Hearts 1. Riku steals your Keyblade, Donald and Goofy abandon Sora to follow him under Mickey's instructions, and you have to rely on the Beast to do the fighting. Sure you can use magic to try and manage, but me being a fighter/swordsman, I HATE having the Wooden Sword, because your combos can barely make a dent even against the Shadow Heartless, the weakest ones in the game.
breath of fire 3 mini games had me on the verge of tears of how bad they were, love the game but damn it really hurts on replays
I used to dread that desert, but replaying it as an adult, it's actually fine now xD I can confidently follow the direction and that section ended pretty quick.
But yeah in my early teens...I even had a guide and got lost hahaha.
What??? How do you not like Wutai?? I love that whole section. The music is freaking incredible
I was thinking the exact same thing! I love the whole Wutai section!
I love the Wutai part too!
the wutai pre renders are phenonenal
Ugh, I remember being a kid, completely lost in the desert in BOF3 forever. For my birthday, I had my parents get me the physical game guide on how to complete it.
I love seeing one of your classic list series come back!
This reminds me that I need to go back and finally finish Tales of Vesperia... I left off when Estelle got kidnapped.... xD
Another great video, David. I'd be interested in seeing if you could make a video about the opposite concept: games that you hate but have one part that you like or maybe even love. A part of a bad game that shows one shred of goodness and quality that if only the developers could have made the entire game as good as that one part.
This sounds interesting! My offer would be the final fourth of Golden Sun 3: Dark dawn.
Waaaaayy to easy game, so the ending giving you somewhat of a moment to think and using it's psynergy in interesting ways was nice!
Great vid. Fun to see stuff from so many games. Chrono Trigger is my fav game of all time but I always hate going through the Ocean Palace on play throughs, mainly because it's the only track on the OST I don't like it and it annoys me listening to it lol
Some that come to mind for me:
- The massive difficulty spike at around the start of disc 2 of Star Ocean: Til the End of Time when the robot enemies show up
- Cathedral Ship in Xenosaga: Episode 1
- The first half of Final Fantasy: 4 Heroes of Light (the game keeps splitting your team up into parties of 1 or 2, and its cute for a while but it wears out its welcome)
- The fishing contest in Moon: Remix RPG Adventure (thankfully, this is optional if you're not going for the ultimate ending)
- The Great Crystal in FFXII
- The final dungeon in FFXIII-2
Oh man the Great Crystal. I have an unfinished save file on the Switch version of FFXII that I keep loading up going, "Where was I?" Only to realize I was going back to the Great Crystal. I then turn it off and repeat again in a few months.
When that cave came back in the tockle part of Dragon Quest 11 I almost cried
I think the most painful part about various Victory Roads is that they're all caves, which means lots of Rock types which often have Sturdy. It makes every single battle take twice as long when you can't just oneshot every wild encounter. (I know, I know, Repels are a thing, but I shouldn't -need- them.)
Later gens made that a little less annoying, at least.
Oof. That desert in BoF! As a kid, I must have spent a week or more trying to cross it using the bad directions before I rage quit. This was before smartphones and CZcams Let’s Plays, and GameFAQs had contradictory info. I’d be curious to find an emulator of it (or a remaster for current gen) to see if it’s better now that so much time has passed, and in the case of emulation or remaster, one would hope the translation / directions would be better.
One part of another game that frustrated me was the fighting tournament in Arc the Lad II. I wasn’t prepared, and I could never get through it, which was upsetting, given how much time I put into it.
Also, in Final Fantasy VII Remake, most of Chapter 9, where Cloud and Aerith have to fight their way through the underground, and you have to use the robotic arms to move crates to progress, is just a slog and completely interrupts the flow of gameplay. This is especially egregious for trophy hunters, as you have to play through it at least 3 times and make different choices prior in order to trigger different trophy-related events.
Based on the thumbnail I'm gonna guess the Desert of Death from Breath of Fire Three, which has a terrible typo in the journal at your camp that gives you the wrong directions.
It is easily one of the worst parts of that game
Pretty much you could do a top 10 of sewer maps that absolutely sucked and you would have to do a few videos
The Victory Road from the Unova region isn't that bad, it has good music and it's a bit lenient on the HM department and puzzle solving. But I agree the Victory Roads from the first four generations are a bit annoying to cross, especially Hoenn and Sinnoh's, because of the HM requirements.
I second, gens I-IV were obnoxious and long (3 is the worst with required flash), thankfully it picks up with BW, 2's, and XY Victory Road (with BW2 being arguably one of the best dungeons in Pokemon)
There are hacks that remove or circumvent HM requirements, such as Crystal Clear which apparently removes the obstacles entirely, Emerald Final which makes HMs replaceable so you only learn them for the few moments you need them before relearning the moves you actually want again, and Ruby++ which replaces HMs with items.
Dark Cloud 2 recruiting Sheriff Blinkhorn. Even with knowing the camera manipulation trick to get faster run speeds at an angle it still barely gives you enough time
Honorable mention: Super slow scrolling text in FF:T
I remember printing off entire walkthrough sections from Gamefaqs for Breath of Fire IV 😂 those grasslands are such a menace! Most of those weird mini games were (like the one where your ship runs out of fuel if you go too far).
Honestly, I think you've already gone over all the really pain/annoying areas I remember. But for the sake of the algorithm, I'll write them again! In no particular order.
Some of these aren't even lengthy segments but...just manage to be annoying anyway.
1. FF6 - Zozo. I really just don't like the vibe. It's creepy. Not a place I'd visit often in the real world.
2. Legend of Legaia - Snowdrift Caves
3. CAVES!! In general, I'm just not a cave gorl. But if it's packed with treasure, well, we can make that work. Or if there's a healing fountain it's GRIND TIME.
4. LoZ: Ocarina of Time - Water temple, obviously. Feels good to beat it though, it's just a thank God it's over feeling...
5. FF9 - Burmecia. Like #2, this is one of my favorite character's back story. I'm just glad Freya got out of there in one piece. I don't know what it is--I mean, fallen cities/dungeons and places like that are usually littered with corpses and it's not always so sad. But in this case, yeah, it's pretty sad.
6. Breath of Fire II - Oh, gosh. SImaFort. The worse thing about this, for me, is that the reward for all of this...Jean. He's not my favorite frog. Frog from Chrono Trigger, great, beautiful, amazing, unique, totally 100% authentic...Jean from BoF2?? MEEEH
7. Chrono Trigger - the first part of 2300 AD
8. LoZ: Link To The Past - ARGH- Death Mountain. Pretty much any mountain with giant boulders that fly from the sky and hit you on the head.
9. LoZ: Breath of the Wild -- Maybe this is controversial. But when you go on the divine beast in the bird city, and you have to shoot the target and then you have to fly around shooting things...I mean it's kind of fun the first time but a bit annoying after.
10. FF4 - Curing Rosa's sickness. Gorl, GET UP. I've already saved you multiple times on the first playthrough and now here you are...being sick...again.
Regarding your number 1 pick, the directions for the desert are not wrong. The Desert of Death is very tame in the English releases of BoFIII compared to the French and German versions. Not only are the latter two slower due to the 50Hz framerate VS NTSC's 60 (something that the Australian and UK English version also suffer from), but the directions are always wrong (both the ones in the notebook AND those given by Horis). I guess one member of the localisation company noticed the discrepancy in the English version (the French version is very obviously translated from English not Japanese) and decided to play heads or tails as to whether to head east or west was the right one and picked wrong.
I never understood the Golden Plains hate though. The directions given are clear and accurate on all versions, the field is pretty small, so traversable rapidly and you don't visit it often...
Regarding Legaia 2...Yes. Maya is Mute at the beginning. She IS the primary (and pretty much only) Healer through magic, though. She has a backstory that explains it. At the end of the first crawl through the sewers, and she gets to have attacks, she IS pretty much the most powerfull character. Her skills are all elemental, and don't follow the "High, Low" stuff that can cause other character's attacks to completely miss. Hit enemies with their weaknesses, and she does more damage than Lang.
I do get that historically, sewer levels and dungeons can be complicated puzzle-wise (I know this one is, especially if you want every chest), but not having Maya able to attack when you get her.....is actually fine. As I said....she's a powerhouse once she has access to her attacks due to exploiting elemental weaknesses, and not having to worry about some attacks missing flying enemies....or enemies who are extremely low in stature. Those damn slimes are so small, that 1/2 to 2/3 of the other character's swings will just fly overhead.
Also, I know Legaia 2 is not everybody's cup of tea. Legaia 2 is not like Legend of Legaia....but I think it's still a nice game (barely any magic for starters....and uber expensive to cast to boot). I do appreciate that you have arts that actually REFILL your AP...unlike the first game. I've had to do strings of non-art attacks just to build up AP in the first game. Good luck getting all the Heaven's Secrets to get all the Ultimate Weapons and Armor, though.
I just beat tales of arise and you mentioned you hated characters leaving the party so how did you feel about Shionne being kidnap and going through a dungeon without her?
I’m very surprised about the Lufia 1 quest you put in here! It’s really not that bad. I never really even thought about this part as being anything weird/long/boring in particular..The bridge repair section, sure, that belongs, but this one I’m not sure I agree..
In Skies of Arcadia, the part that I found annoying was somewhat early on when you had to sail the ship against the wind. It took forever to make any progress and the random encounter rate seemed really high. It felt like it took forever.
Raya Lucaria Academy from Elden Ring. I hate dealing with those Burger King mascot sorcerers that can easily gang up on you 😵💫.
I remember having a lot of trouble with the Wutai sequence in FF7, I knew it was optional but since I like to do everything, I sure hated it. I figured out in subsequent play throughs that if you have more than 50 materia (I think the upper limit was 48?) then she won’t be able to take it all, leaving you maybe not totally a fish out of water. Though it’s still random which pieces she takes. And it’s still bullshit. 😂
Great video!! ❤
At that point FF7 I had lv 45 party members with 5000 to 6000 HP 500 t 600 MP BEFORE I had Yuffie steal ALL 9 HP/MP pluses but at lv 45 you'll have at least 3000 HP and Aero 3 Rapps only tops out at around 1500 to 2000 but at lv 45 1 use of Cloud's Meteor Rain limit will kill rapps instantly and despite my lv 45 Yuffie with 5000 to 6000 HP 500 to 600 MP AFTER you beat Rapps I still never fought Godo on disc 1 and that's only because once you get the 4th Enemy skill materia Godo himself is the only one that will ever use Trine for it for the rest of the game.
@@veghesther3204 I was 10 at the time haha. I know the game inside out now and also wait until disc 2 to do the pagoda for the same reason.
However on disc 2 I had her at lv 55 to 60 with 9999 HP 999 MP and though using KoTR on Godo is OVER doing it I still used it to kill him in 1 turn but after he uses Trine first and do equip the Ribbon on her since Godo can use the Bio spell to try to poison her but at least the Ribbon will still null poison just not the damage from that spell.
RE:7th Saga: I usually get up to Level 80 before going to the past, so for me I end up just enjoying the epic beatdowns where I just beat the everliving crap out of everything, including Gorsia himself.
RE: Lufia: There's an interesting skip in Lufia with that Food quest. I forget how exactly you trigger it, but you can actually skip half of the food side-quest and IIRC, not even go to Herat at all. As for getting the Alumina, I just stock up on loads of Plum Cider and by the time I get all 6, my levels are pumped and I'm just wading through the mosh pit of monster corpses. I find it fun, to be honest, but I guess I'm just weird like that.
BoF4: The grasslands are a golden opportunity to get you a LOT of levelups for Ryu to make the game a bit smoother. Simply go to the Temple with Ryu, and make sure he has Burn. Go there, burn some nut troops and watch the XP roll in, because XP in that game is split amongst party members. Get him a good trainer and watch him get ludicrously powerful. I'll agree about the BoF3 desert part. That is kinda icky with very few goodsides to it.
FF7: I remember not liking this area much either. But hey, this is a really good grinding spot. The island itself, especially the beaches, is great to grind at once you complete the materia quest. I usually get everybody's penultimate Limit Breaks there. Simply go to that cave between Midgar and Ft. Condor to unlock the 2nd limit break of any tier (because you find lots of groups of mobs there to kill with any Elemental-All combo) and then go to Wutai Island with the Fury Status on everybody and fight those large groups of birds that keep doing fairly weak AoE attacks that fill your limit gauge fast to unlock the first limit of the next tier pretty quickly. A couple hours later and you'll have lots of levelups and all the limits (except for the final one) unlocked on everybody. So while Wutai Island's quest is a bad experience, the fact it's such a ridiculously awesome Penninsula Of Power Leveling helps when trying to view it in a positive light. That's one heck of an awesome reward for doing Yuffie's quest early. Being level 40-50 with all but final limits unlocked on Disc 1? Frick yes. lol
Some I can think for me:
- The final third of the game in Dark Souls. The Duke's Archive is alright, but then there's the Demon Ruins and Lost Izalith sections with their clearly rushed level design, as well as a cabalcade of the very worst bosses the game has to offer. Then there's the Tomb of Giants which is my least favorite area in the game and absolutely not fun to play. Yeah, I never look forward to the final sections of Dark Souls.
- I actually don't remember the exact details, but I seem to recall there being this really tedious fetch quest towards the end of Terranigma that had you running back and forth talking to NPCs across the map, and me thinking it was a waste of time when I played it.
- Chapter 4 in Paper Mario: The Thousand Years Door. You already mentioned the whole General White fiasco, but this one was also a pain in the ass, making you go through those woods with really hard to avoid enemies like what, 5 or 6 times?
- A Realm Reborn, the base game of FF14. The game eventually goes on to become one of my favorite JRPGs ever, but this only starts to happen once you get to the expansions. The base game is not bad to go through once, but definitely not something I look forward to playing again. The story is kinda basic, the bosses and dungeons weren't that interesting yet, the OST was fine but not to the levels of what comes after, the voice acting was... questionable... Everything becomes better once Heavensward starts.
- Mt. Itoi in Mother 1. Even the designers admitted they went overboard with it.
- I'm also tempted to mention Etrian Odyssey's Claret Hollows. But that's the post-game dungeon, and, to be honest, I don't dread it because I... just plainly refuse to go through it again. Already completed it once, there's no reason to subject myself to it again. Instead, I could also mention the third strata of Etrian Odyssey 4, whose puzzle I found to be kinda tedious.
- Lost Odyssey. The part where you have to watch the two kids singing. Ugh... XD
Man, I was stuck on the Alumina part as a kid forever....and it was on rental.
7th Saga was my jam way back in the day, but I remember being overpowered in the normal time, going back to the past and getting stomped out quick by almost every minor critter. I'm with you, that last bit of the game was just miserable.
I'm still pretty fresh in all the rpg gaming, but the one i hate the most is the skyscraper in digimon cyber sleuth (1st). Tha godamm place took me hours to get out with all the elevator using (needed to move between floors).
The first Breath of Fire KINDA has big open areas, if you count the Tower of Spyre, but that might be stretching it. I will defend 3's desert and 4's plains, but not in the, "This is so good; more, please!" way so much as the, "This has some merit," way. This might be personal bias, because I love the idea of getting lost in a blank, open area like this (though I prefer a dark underwater backdrop), but I do think it was a neat idea to switch up the perspective and challenge a different set of navigational skills. I did also think it was neat to hide some pretty legendary equipment in something as vast and hopeless as 3's desert. That said, finding all that is fun ONCE; having to trek back and forth half a dozen times through such a long sequence was an absolute slog, and if someone tells me they hate it, they'll get no resistance from me.
I like Legaia 2, and to me it is a decent JRPG. Yet I agree to a point on the Sewers the first time. I speed through it due to Maya not able to do anything outside of healing. For Legaia 2. I'd personally add in the time you get Maya till she can finally start using her arts.
Tales of The Abyss:
The big mountain area with the multiple sephiroth puzzles to weaken the area boss…
The area is super laggy, and slow, pretty much forcing you to just go straight for the boss…
I think I quit the ps2 version of the game purely because I got lost in those puzzles lol
@@demodoki1319 the 3DS version had the same problem. Such a absolute hell scape to explore…
But due to free running though the AI never uses it I also went right to the boss fight even on normal mode.
I’m with you on the Alumina quest from Lufia!
Some for me:
The Gaea Cliffs from Final Fantasy 7
Temple of Darkness from Tales of Symphonia
The Desert/Fourside/Moonside Shuffle from Earthbound
Any time in Final Fantasy Tactics when you’re like 5 squares from the area you need to go and you just KNOW you’re getting 5 random encounters on the way there
(((Let me preface this by saying that I mean this all as a tongue-in-cheek snark off. I stand by what I say here, but mean no disrespect to anyone who disagrees. We all here in good fun, yes?)))
I disagree with your take on Tales of Vesperia. I never used Estelle as a healer because her AI is so brain dead (OG Xbox 360 version). "One and only healer " my butt! She loved getting into melee range to attack (even when I told her to focus on healing and to stay away from things), and when it was time to heal, she'd immediately get smacked and interrupted, then just try again and get smacked again. Party wipe. Reload... On the other hand, Karol and Raven were extremely competent. Karol is even tankier than Estelle, and his healing abilities are quick ground smashes. He's melee ranged, but in the heavier boss fights, that just means he's right next to the front liners who are most often taking the hits anyway, so he's right where he needs to be. The champ was so effective that often times, he'd heal a status effect before I could even register that I was afflicted. And Raven had the advantage of being ranged and quick to use his healing art. Yeah, Karol had to get close to whoever needs healing, but Raven can just fire off a homing arrow that targets more people as he levels it up. Spam it as need be, then get right back to plonking things with arrows.
I don't hate Estelle as a character, but as a party member, she's not a good healer unless someone is actually controlling her. At least with Karol and Raven, once the healing is done, they return to fighting, which they are actually good at. Estelle isn't so great in that department. She's a decent mage, but again, that requires her to be at range, and she loves to get into melee combat. The only advantage Estelle has is stat buffs and resurrection, and the latter isn't needed as much if you have a good healer who prevents you from dying in the first place because they actually get the heals off at the correct time.
Hi David! Ugh, I know what you mean about those lousy crappy parts of otherwise good rpgs. Your examples are so darn accurate. I felt that.
Another good example for me is FFX and those annoying minigames to get the powerful weapons (e.g. dodging lightning, the butterfly part, etc.). I know you don't HAVE to do those, but I wanted all the cool shinies! Hope everyone has an awesome day!
To this day I still get flashbacks of trying to dodge that damn lightning!
Even to this day i just skip most of the celestial weapons an try to customize a replacement the best i can.The damn chocobo thing and lightning is inhumane lol.
@@smudge666uk Or dodging demonic homing seagulls that came out of Hitchcock's nightmares
I avoid most of the Celestial Weapons for the same reason, although I will say that I always get Tidus' weapon. I've gotten to the point where I can usually beat the Chocobo racing part in less than an hour. Usually being the key word there.
I loved Wutai!
The one I hated that comes to my mind is the beginning of Tales of Graces F when they are children, come on, start with the story already!
Lol for me, from memory:
The beginning of Star Ocean 2 and Tales of Grace's F.
The Morgana/Ryuji fight in Persona 5.
Running around the Abbey in Midnight Suns.
Yep, I agree with you about the Alumina sidequest in Lufia. Whenever I would replay the game as a kid, I always quit around the bridge building/alumina sidequest. It was ridiculous trying to find all those stupid alumina pieces in the cave!
As for the 7th Saga, I really enjoyed the traveling to the past twist story-wise, as I thought it was interesting choice for shaking up the gameplay. Even so, the difficulty spike was a bit much at times, particularly in the final castle area.
I'm surprised Illusion of Gaia's Mu area hasn't made it on this list yet. It took me so long to get out of there and find the vampires!
Off the top of my head I'd say all of Dezos in Phantasy Star 2. The whole game has dungeons that are just complete nonsense mazes.
The first overworld is fine enough but when you get to Dezos the second overworld it's frustrating to navigate because you go back to this place alot in the mid n end game, it literally feels like one big late game dungeon itself and if you want to go to another town to get exclusive equipment you have to make you can navigate to the right town and that your protagonist has his translator on.
Phantasy Star 2 took me 3 years to beat cus I had to stop so many times due to the horrible map design in the game.
Wow not only was I right, I was right on why too.
In Lost Odyssey, the whole Ghost Town sequence. It didnt help that I was texting someone while playing and hardly paying attention. ended up taking me a really long time to complete.
For me the minigame with the torches, for some reason I could not get the timing right for ages.
Edit: And the minigame with the submarine or whatever where you have to dodge someone shooting at you. I HATED it! Argh!
@@SomeRPGFan yeah and i could be wrong but there is no reward for doing these mini games well. Atleast in the HIGHLY ANNOYING Cubic Music mini game you get a cool item.
lol when I saw the thumbnail I knew that area had to be number 1. I remember trying to beat it as a kid, and even with an online guide it took me hours to get through it.
I haven’t seen your previous parts in this series (so maybe you’ve already covered this), but Beyond the Beyond on ps1 has that “Samson is cursed, can’t move” nonsense for a large chunk of the game
Totally agree, what makes breath of fire 3 way worse in my opinion, some versions of the game horis would give wrong directions through a mistranslations.
I recently played SMT: If, and even with knowing and preparing ahead of time, the world of sloth is just agonizing lol
I recently played “insert some horrible game” oh Chrono trigger? Secret of mana? Lufia 2? Final fantasy 7? Ain’t no one got time for that!
the concept for these videos is 10/10!
That damn colleseum and desert in secret of evermore.... such a time sink and you really gotta grind both characters, alchemy and farm like a lunatic plus i think there is missables too...
But man do i get some stuff to say about phantasy stars 2 and 3 dungeons! Ohhhhhhh boy i aint even gonna begin that dumpster fire and its a shame cause i like the characters, story but damnnnnnnn! A remake with improved dungeons would go a long way
Please say one of the entries in these countdown lists include riding horseback in the Nord Highlands in Cold Steel 1 or the Orbal shut down phenomenon in Sky SC
My ABSOLUTE slogfest will forever be the initial mainline Blitzball tournament in Final Fantasy X. I absolutely deeeeeespiiiiiiiise Blitzball; as a lil nerd I sucked at it and even as an adult nerd I still suck at it. When I got the remaster on my Switch I managed to win the mainline tournament cuz of sheer dumb luck in Overtime…and then proceeded to make 20 save files should I ever want to start a new game and not torture myself.
Gimme Sphere Break any day.
FFVI is my favorite RPG ever, but I'm surprised it hasn't made any of these lists. To me, when the party gets split into three is a bit of a drag partly due to the imbalance in length, with one being significantly longer.
(edit--I didn't get a chance to complete my thoughts because I was on my way to work)
It's not so much than any of the missions are bad, but Saban's scenario introduces two characters that need grinding to be effective, and none of the three have magic at this point in the game (if I remember right). In fact, if you want Gau to be worth anything between this point and getting full control of the airship, you have to grind now using leap whenever possible, and without gaining experience, to gain Gau's best abilities. Let's be honest, Saban's scenario should have ended after the ghost train and the Veldt should have been an optional side quest for after getting the airship.
Alternatively, they could have added more to the other two scenarios--more Locke and Celes scenes have been welcome, since they don't really interact much between their scenario and the opera scene (I know it wouldn't make sense for them to end up in the veldt, but imagine if it was them jumping off the waterfall, with one having to convince the other to trust them).
I did a hack of this that re-arranges the events of the scenario split to fix the pacing and characterization. I've been trying to get David to stream it for close to 2 years so that people know about it.
@@PowerPandaMods What's it called? I'd be interested in checking it out.
re:Gau - you only need learn the Straycat rage and youll be fine
I missed these top 10 lists.
My ideal RPG sewer: one room, completely linear, no enemies, lots of treasure chests, and a free heal.
Have you ever heard of Tomato Adventure? It's a Japan-only RPG for the Game Boy Advance. It heavily inspired the Mario & Luigi games, so if you like those, I'd recommend it. Just, uh, be prepared to use save states. Some later dungeons can be obnoxious.
Forest of temptations Tales of Eternia. BOF1 Mogu's Dream 😤
The Desert got me in BOF3 when I was younger, never finished it because of it.
7th Saga Redux the Rom hack fixes a bunch of issues. when Elnard was localized to 7th Saga they nerfed the stat growth on lvl up.
This is a great series or videos. I like to go back and watch the previous ones too.
The links to them are in my pinned comment! :)
7:00 Wutai is a side quest tho, don't really need to do it, but yeah its kind of dumb. Only thing you get is the Leviathan materia and Yuffie's ultimate limit break which isn't too great, seeing as her level three limit breaks are better.
Thanks David! You're the best rpg channel out there. You inspired me to make videos and I'm loving it :)
Glad to hear it!
Well, the definitive edition of Vesperia at least gives you Flynn who has First Aid and I think also Cure? After defeating the first hideous dungeon in this part, Raven rejoins, and his Love Shot is actually a decent healing ability. But yeah, we're talking four long, difficult dungeon without the main healer, who might be the best healer in the franchise (tough competition with Elize, though)
Victory Road’s a good pick. The only JRPG that I could think of was Paper Mario TTYD. Whole chunks of that game are boring to replay, but Glitz Pit is downright miserable. What a slog.
A lot of people seem to actually like the Glitz Pit enough to call it their favorite chapter in the game. As much as Thousand Year Door is one of my favorite games, there are some boring parts.
@@murkywaters5502 Really! I never read any reviews for TTYD, so that's a big surprise. Maybe people liked it because it *was* very different than anything we saw in the first game. And people love their Yoshis.
I thought mother 3's Salsa chapter was interesting idea with you basically relying on your evil captor to help you win battles as you slowly level up and close the gap.
It doesn't really work or payoff in the end though, but it was a memorable/interesting part for me who didn't connect with the game as much as I expected.
i know the feeling miss you david take care always 💙💙💙
I love the Wutai section in FF7 and it is optional, to be fair. The Great Glacier?…not so much
Mine is def the Hidden island in Golden Sun with Deadbeard, you can enter it pretty early but you cannot progress past certain points until later on in the story because of how the dungeon is designed but then you forget about it since the last needed exploration spell was in the final part of the story and since Golden Sun doesn't have a post game forgetting to save is a bitch to realize
THANK YOU DAVID for including the end of Dragon Warrior II!!!! I will replay this game once a year and consider the game beat once I reach the inn at Rhone. Screw the rest of the game.
I recently beat Persona 1 and man that sudden dungeon where it's just two characters was annoying I've never died so much in a turn based game in my life. Luckily you learn that if you can just beef through it you won't have to grind 500 years but the enemies -will- kill you. Save states were all the really helped. The end boss being able to heal itself when you get barely any MP items is pretty wicked too! Thanks as always for a fun video (and one that will help me double think playing some of these).
depending on the games the worst ones are where nearly EVERY enemy in game has a instant kill spell that almost always works Malboro's/Tonberry battles in EVERY FF game or area's that that the mimic chests in them as NORMAL battles.
Teleport mazes are more annoying then hard ie the trapezohedron Wild arms 2 for example.
Mother 3/Earthbound 3 NEVER got a Official English version though and yes DQ 2's end game is a example of nearly EVERYTHING having access to the THWACK spell and unlike your OWN party using it which in the cave of Rhone NEVER really works when the ENEMIES use it even on the GBC remake it almost always kills everyone and that cave is a required not optional area.
I think I'm the only person in the world that didn't mind the desert of death. I think the incorrect instructions on how to cross it was what ruined it for most people, but it gave me a real feel of accomplishment when I first made it.
I kind of would have liked it if you had provided some sort of overall conclusion at the end on what overall factors make for this kind of slog hurdle.
Didn't know David despises the sewers so much. Some of my favorite dungeons are sewers. Lunar Silver Story, Trails of the Sky FC
With you on both Vesperia and Skies of Arcadia…. Annnd VII. That “sneaky, dumb bitch” haha.
I forgot about the grasslands in BoF IV’s grasslands 😢
For me the part of the radio tower in Pokemon Gold, Silver and Crystal; also in Final Fantasy XV the part of Nifelheim before the upgrades
David, the part I hate most in Lufia is that one-on-one battle between your hero and some guy in spikey armor. I've beaten that game at least twice now (maybe thrice?), and that part is the most annoying and out-of-my-control of any other part in the game. I'd love to see a Lufia remake. The plot twist could be really cool with good writing and more character depth for the heroes and villains, as well as fleshing out the world better.
That damn desert puzzle stumped me as a kid and I couldnt beat the game.
Desert maps in fire emblem games
I'm way late but yeah I actually love Wutai... Now Temple of the Ancients on the otherhand.. I absolutely despise that place. Enemies can turn you into frog and give all sorts of annoying status effects, the map is trippy and for the first time incredibly hard to navigate with no guide. Then the mini-games with boulders being tossed at you or the multiple paths to catch buddy with the key. The only saving grace is the bosses were pretty easy at least to me. OH and after you finish this you lose Aerith for the rest of the game. God I hate the temple of Ancients.
Also while I agree it's pretty annoying losing Estelle for such a long peroid and her being the only real main healer I personally found the desert portion of Vesperia to be much more insufferable.
Star Ocean 4 the part where you leave the 2nd planet and the next part of the game your stuck on a giant hostile ship with no towns or 'safe' points. I hated that mothership segment and the next part where you go to earth in a sci-fi was super annoying. Literally the last location in a Sci-fi I want to visit. For Star Ocean 3 the Shrine of Kaddan was absolutely horrid both times you go there for the story, the enemies are just so annoying and I simply didn't enjoy my time there.. I also hated the Kirlsa mines where you gotta ride a cart mini-game it wasn't super annoying it just wasn't fun.
Trail of Cold Steel 1/2 : that giant nomad plain. I hated that place so much. Storyline aside, that was fine but it was just such a giant area that by the time I finished that area I'd always have a good 1-3 hours of added gameplay just from the damn travel time.
legend of legaia 2 - The sewers under the castle, have to go through it twice and the area is awful
*I wrote this before I seen number 5*
Legend of Legaia 2 the whole game honestly. Shame that series didn't continue after that
Also neither Legaia game got a PSN port either so the 2 games are still only PS1 and PS2 games respectively.
@@veghesther3204 Thank you for emulators, pretty much replay a lot of RPG games because of them
The original Skies of Arcadia had a painful patch in the South Sea on the way to Ixa'taka. Ship Headwinds + Crazy High Encounter Rate + Instant Death Spellcasters made that a miserable spot in an otherwise masterpiece of a game.
Newer entry for me. The first sewer dungeon in Yakuza: Like A Dragon
I love the victory roads😅 I kind of hate it in scarlet and violet when you just "simply walk into" the pokemon league. Now *that's* anti climactic!
Hate Wutai though!
Victory road does get better when there are no hm requirements, but I say gen 4 has the worst one because it requires you to have 2 hm slaves to get through it, then there is a secret post game area in there as well so after beating the elite 4 you have to go back through it if you want to see everything the game has to offer.
Thank god Legia 2 gets a mention..I hate the sewers completely.
Legaia 2 wouldn't actually be that bad (sewers excepting) if it weren't so painfully generic. It actually really improved on the combat system of the first game, and added an interesting relationship interaction/building dynamic. The problem being is there's no reason or payoff to interact with it. There's no end point for any of those relationships, and there's only a single ending to the game unaffected by what relationships the MC may have built.
Funny timing. I've just beaten Danganronpa Another Episode: Ultra Despair Girls and despite me really liking that game there are a lot of "Those parts", especially after chapter 3.
I almost jumped out of set at work screaming *yes* at the third pick. It's the *only* thing I hate about replaying that game.
Also I 100% agree with the Breath of fire 3 and 4 take here. The only reason Breath of fire 3 isn't in my personal top ten games is because of that desert section. It took me three months to finally get past it. I was so burned out on gaming that i didn't play anything else for over a year after that experience.
Granted I *loved* almost everything the Breath of Fire 3 up into that desert section.
I personally would have switch the 1st and 2nd entries, but that's just me.
Fun fact: Did you know that the reason that the mid to late game of DQ2 is so bad is because the QA testers at Chunsoft were only able to playtest the game up to the Tower of the Moon Crystal because Enix wanted the game released in 6 months? In other words, the game from the Undersea Volcano onwards is super unbalanced because of severe corporate incompetence.
The only one I don't completely agree with is the Tales of Vesperia one. Something a lot of people don't seem to realize is if you build Repede to use items he is an amazing healer. He can use items fasts, without actually using them most of the time and he kicks some ass on top of that. If you ever find yourself playing Tales of Vesperia, build Repede to use items, trust me you will be incredibly impressed to the point you might not even need Estelle later on.
Its funny because I literally said, has he addressed that f'ing desert in BOF3 and then......tadaaaa there it is! It is honestly the only part of that game I royally disliked. I tried to get through it myself and had to seek online help because I was in it for a damn hour and a half and couldnt get where I needed to go. What a ridiculous section. Lots of WTF periods in JRPGs, thanks for digging these up!
I wonder if anyone ever replays bravely default? I feel like It had its replay ability built in to the main game so you don’t feel like you ever need to replay it.
Oouzo Island from Phantasy Star 2.
Probably the best music in the game but the constant random battles make navigation frustrating.
I wasn't able to finsh Breath of Fire 4 as a kid because of the grassland, I couldn't even understand english at that time so it was already hard enough before. I found Wutai except at the end with the Materia not that bad, missed it at first and was overleveled, I found the submarine worse. The difficulty spikes in Star Ocean 3. And the ones in the DS version of FF3 and it's damn job change penality. The Celestial weapon grind in FFX. Sticker Star, wait, that isn't an rpg anymore.
Victory Roads have never been good! By the way, I suggest another "moment" that turns up in a LOT of RPGs. It's "that" final dungeon. You know, "that" one, that's purple with green highlights, is longer than anything else the game has ever thrown at you, has crazy strong enemies and no checkpoints / save points. Am I crazy or those turn up up a LOT?
Bevelle, I hate all that part in FF10 😭
Victory Roads are useful to grind. I think 1 at least had moltres. Thank god they improved the game by removing hms.
I do wish there was a way to sort videos in a playlist from oldest to newest....you know, watch them in order.......but, this is CZcams after all.