Shop Made Tooling , Centre Lathe Spiders . Part 1 .
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- čas přidán 2. 02. 2024
- Machining Spiders for the spindles of the JFMT & Herron K24 Lathes .
The long version , there is no short version !!!
Link for the shop built tailstock chuck used in the video , studio.czcams.com/users/playlistP... - Věda a technologie
The mix of natural and artificial lighting really is great. It must be a pleasure to work in that space. The details really pop in good light. It's great for video, and great for seeing what you're doing.
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Fit of those sliding on was very satisfying. FWIW, I prefer longer videos with detailed angles of the camera and notes about what is being done and why. I appreciate when there's no music.
Thanks . I prefer no music as well ! 👍
Thanks for the more complete and longer vids
No worries , Cheers 👍
You always teach me something.
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definitely like the longer format, mate.
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Thanks Max. The shop looks great with all the light from the open doors, and the occasional wide angle views with the camera. Cheers.
Thanks . I built it for hot weather . 👍
Great work 👍👌
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Beautiful...love the long format.
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Enjoyed the lathe work as usual Max. Good info along the way. Cheers Tony
Thanks Tony . 👍
Australia is known for it's spiders. LOL!
Lol , the baby snakes are about due out now as well ! 👍
Nice work Max. I also like the longer videos. 👍🇳🇱
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Max,
You sure have the midas touch on those dials
I must have got lucky ! Cheers 👍
Great video, nice work on the fit and finish.
Thanks for sharing.
No worries 👍
Also insulated my workshop. Sharp edges always needvto dealt with. Impressive workshop. 50 mm brass rod not cheap.
The insulation is a life saver . 👍
Nice choice of steel, great job done, addition to the shop.
Another job on mu to do list.
Thanks for sharing.
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The spiders look good Max. I made one for my lathe shortly after I got it. I did a great job of the turning (nice and smooth and shiny) and then I drilled and tapped the four holes using my dividing head. Somehow I got offset from centre and every hole came out exactly the same amount of wrong. Each pair of opposite holes are on opposite sides of centre. It still works but it looks like an idiot made it. Regarding the temperatures I can't even give the low temperature counterpoint. We have been having an unseasonably warm winter and are above 0 C all week. Minus 30 to 40 C would not be out of line right now but instead we have water in our ditches. Ken
Thanks Ken . From tomorrow , we are in for a hot several days again . Roll on winter !!! 👍
Love your shop, make the boring bar, that would make another good u tube.
Thanks . I have a couple to make . 👍
Thanks for a great video Max . I need to make one for my Colchester lathe perhaps I will get round to it now. Bit cooler here in the uk though 😅
No worries , Cheers 👍
Thanks for those tips Max and nice work. Love the long video format. All the best.
No worries , Cheers 👍
Thanks for letting us look over your shoulder.. Really enjoy your content.
Probably not important - depends on precision, but when gauging a hole in the vertical plane - the solid rod should be at the bottom. You would also want to 'set' the gauge in the same plane as the measurement - gravity matters and everything is rubber. One need 5 hands to set a gauge with a micrometer..
Thanks . 40 deg C temp in the shop , precision goes out the window ! 👍
Thx for taking the time to make the longer videos.
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On ya Max, nice job on the older gear.
I find the WNMG fantastic on OD and facing,
Decent on roughing ID with C’s and 6’s for swarf.
But not so good on finishing the ID due to chips getting jammed in the small trailing edge clearance.
My go to insert for most turning.
Get a Noga, you will not regret it…..
Thanks . I have a mini Noga , it's that easy to use i will get a bigger one as well !
The V style insert would be the go for finishing , plenty of room for chips between the bar & work . 👍
With you Max learning curve never stop
We always are ! Cheers John . 👍
Dear Max, for large boring bar have a chat to Curtis at Cutting Edge Engineering. He uses a lot of big tooling for his big machines. Cheers.
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Ta Max great vid those inserts rock ,what a finish..
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those are nice sliding fits on both lathe spindels, well done max.
cheers ben.
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G'day Max. Another Excellent video making the spiders for both lathes. They both fitted really well, which just shows how meticulous you have to be on those last few cuts.
Well Done
Cheers Ted . 👍
Awesome vid mate and your shop is looking great .... Love the long videos and all the attention to detail mate
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Lathe spiders are actually very important for gunsmiths here in America. Well they are important for all gunsmiths hahaha. Barrels are placed theough the headstock and then chambered.
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Hey Max, not quite that hot in Phoenix yet, but it will be soon. I believe our highest recorded temp is 122 F, but it looks like you got that beat possibly in your neck of the woods. I really like the way you do your chamfers as opposed to some of the other CZcams machinists. Has a little bit more of an artistic flair to it. Speaking for myself, I much prefer the longer format videos. Especially since your production values are getting better. Keep it up Max. Thanks for your hard work putting out these vids!
Thanks . I just need to work on the audio quality a bit . Have to get a new cable for the rode mic . 👍
Brought back a lot of memories. I bought a new to me Jet 16x60 about 10 years ago. First thing I did was make a spider for it. The spindle is threaded female 85mm x 1.5 and on my first trial fit of the spider I managed to get it galled in the spindle. Had to pull the spindle and bore the spider out in my 14x40 Enco😅 All good now. Looking forward to part2.
Thanks . The galled thread would have been a definite drama . Had a 50mm diameter one 70mm long fine thread , both parts aluminium do the same thing last week . 👍
Enjoyed it as always, and always educational for me.
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Nice work Max also like to see most of the process in one video,keep up the good work mate.
Thanks . Seems what most people want to see . 👍
Nice job. . They look great and easy to tell they fit perfectly. . Super nice.
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Beautiful job mate
Cheers Matty . 👍
It’s all great Max, whatever you decide to do.
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Thanks, Max! Great project thanks for sharing.
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G day Max 👍 the shed looks bloody Awesome you lucky bloke 🍺 🍺🍺 the Slo-Mo great stuff 👍👍 well it’s 5 o’clock over this side All the best cheer’s 🍺🍺 🇦🇺
Always 5 o'clock somewhere ! Cheers 🍺🍺🍺
That's a nice fit on both, Max!
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Good stuff as always.
Cheers Rob . 👍
Love the videos as per usual, Full 9f so much information and learning for me,
From kiwi land.
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Thanks for the great video, Max. I like your detailed explanations.
Using the foam as a support to set up the bore gauge is a really neat trick. Thanks for sharing!
By the way: if the measurement is super-critical you should set the micrometer against gauge blocks and mistrust the measurement shown on the thimble or the digital display as there might be a tiny little bit of play in the screw - like backlash.
Thanks . A couple of my older mics have wear in the screw & i set them mid range . Gauge blocks , as you say would get them dead on . 👍
Nice work!
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Great video Max.
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Nice one Max, good improvements to the lathes, keep cool mate cheers.
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Nice work Max, yes, long videos are cool, cheers, Dave
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The taper,headstock alignment? I appreciate the tips and more I'm grateful for the explanation of why you are doing it that way.
There is excessive wear in the bed that i have to correct by re scraping . 👍
G'day Max, stop showing off with your toasty temps lol, yeah definitely a night shift job there mate
Wonderfully done as always, let me know when you need a helper, I'll pop over 😂
No worries ! I have both of your headstock vids to catch up on tonight ! Cheers 👍
Enjoyed….keep a cool tool…hot hot summer😅
Lucky it's not like this every summer ! 👍
I start having a bad time at 25°C. So, more than 40°... not sure I will survive.
25 C is my perfect temp ! 👍
Hi Max, watched you using the bore gauge at the beginning of video and hoped you would show how you did the set up and thankfully you showed your method, fantastic.
Will go and practise with my Mitutoyo bore gauge.
My Mum is complaining about the heat, 97 years old.
Looks like you are going into the forties next Friday again!
I had to hold my breath when you machined the radius, thought the work was going to jump out of the chuck.
Lol . No my middle name is not Brian Block , what i put in the chuck mostly stays in ! I think we are in for another hot one on Friday . Cheers 👍
I like the long format video,s.
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Hi Max. Just found your channel. Great vid and very nice work. I use wood soft jaws in a small bench vise to hold the mic. Then I have both hands free to set the DBG. Works for me. Obviously only light vise pressure on the mic. Have a great day and thank you for sharing.😊
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great video
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G'day Max, I need to do the same thing, but it will be a lot smaller...lol
Nice little project...enjoyed
Cheers....
Thanks . It had been on the back burner for along time , but i need it soon . 👍
Two nice fitting spiders Max. I bet you could have another 20 attempts at dialling the 4 jaw in and not get that result, what a one to catch on camera 👍🤣. Cheers, Jon
Lol . Hardly a drama Jon , just keeping in practice in case i need to pop over to the Bar Z Bash in California & relieve them of that 4 jaw trophy !!! Cheers 👍
Thank you Max!
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Lesson 1: always use your calipers to bang them around inside a bore, to remove swarf.
Bloody oath ! 👍
Hi Max,
I was always told EN numbers were 'Emergency Number' used during WWII and often close equivalent's since allies had manufacturing all around the world and the exact specifications could vary slightly? (plus, very few wanted to use US Steel designations for everything)
Interesting to see European Union didn't totally screw everything up and kept EN designation.
That is the exact same method I always use to set bore gauge, plus, that's the way I teach people how to set it.
The only difference, I have the 'wheels' same side as the micrometer barrel which makes it even easier.
Been thinking of making a quick video but now I'll just link yours
Thanks . The EN designation here is mainly for alloy steels . Our mild steels were CS but changed to M prefix , like M1020 , M1030 & M1040 . 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop To be honest, the EN was obsolete by 90's with British government actively suppressing non EU compliant designations. The numbers got changed to ISO but It's still around although may not be same as original? (dunno, been out of things several years)
Its interesting both bores of the spiders came out tapered like that. I wonder if you're headstock bearings aren't a little misaligned. Ah, now I see you're comment about excessive bed way wear.
A future job to re scrape the ways . 👍
Thx for the vid.
No worries 👍
Hey Max: I am from Minnesota USA. I will believe 104 degrees Fahrenheit is great with a little breeze if you believe -10 Fahrenheit is great with a little sunshine over an hour or so. 😉
Out thermometers do not even go that low , except for the ones they sell at the John Deer Tractor dealership . I think they go down to minus 40 F , must be American ones ! Cheers 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop our low here this year was about -20 degrees Fahrenheit and with the wind chill it was -40. Very few days of this and believe it or not we have clothes that make it comfortable in those temperatures but dangerous if any thing goes wrong. I imagine you really can’t get comfortable on the few days it is 104 for you outside and it is dangerous if something goes wrong and you find yourself outside for a prolonged time. Still we both probably look at the many days of great weather and not a million people to deal with. We enjoy our 4 acres with a great outbuilding like yours. We do have heat and air in it but don’t use it much. Keep up the great videos!
nice fit you got max that stuff is gummy to machine
Thanks . The stuff can move a bit when cooled or parted off . 👍
Nice fit !! We call that a device a cat head .... best regards Steve
No worries . Never heard that on before . I thought a cat head was something to do with a drill rig ! Cheers 👍
....for the shop !!
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Two "beauties". Makem as long as you want, I'll watch and learn. Always enjoy.Thanks. btw, its 2/2/2024, 2050 hear in Dover De. , 32 F or 0C.
Thanks , a tad chilly ! 👍
Shoulda said you wanted a few spiders, my sheds full of them, black widows, red backs, daddy long legs - take ya pick - they are all yours! 😜😂😂
Seriously tho I also prefer the longer format without all the editing to remove much of the actual process.
Been hotter than a jalapeño milkshake the last week or so here hasn’t it.
Keep up the good work. 👍👍
All our spiders croaked it from the heat ! 👍
Hey up Max, any chance of a glimpse at your filming setup you use on the lathes?
You get some cracking shots mate
All i use is my Samsung Galaxy S21 phone on a cheap & nasty Noga knock off mag base . When i can it all sits on an old pole from an oscillating fan . That way i do not get machine vibrations . 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop perfect Grant, thank you mate
Max, thank you for the longer format videos where you are able to show the entire process! Also, when you "etch-a-sketch" a chamfer with the point of a regular cutting tool, is that a technique that is typically taught to Machinists in Australia (& nearby countries?)? I watch so many different machining content creators that I can't recall which ones use your technique, but I do think that most, if not all, of the Australian machining content creators use it. Or is it "standard" everywhere but the U.S.?
Thanks . It is a method for quickly breaking an edge . It is not taught , there are a few things that I do that others copy & that's all good ! I am sure their are plenty of others around the world do it as well . You just don't see it . 👍
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Nice !! Really enjoy the less edited videos. What was the little cam piece? Is that thing water jetted or something on the O.D. ? Great looking shop. Take care man.
No sure what it does , a part for an WW2 anti tank gun . It was made in the Bridgeport mill using the indexing head to rotate the part . Cheers 👍
Hi Max, good stuff, very informative.
Will you be putting a bronze slug under the two grub screws to prevent marking the spindle o.d. ?
Yes . Bronze tipped ones . 👍
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I need to build a spider for my lathe also. I will make it removable by slitting the collar of the spider and using a socket head cap screw to collapse the collar. I did this for my collet closer and it worked out great. No worry about damaging the spindle and an easy switch out. You would need to modify the cover but I don’t really see a downsize in oblonging the cover?
That would be a good solid way to mount one . Thanks 👍
Nice video shots and very informative. Thank you.
I do have a question, though.
Is there any particular reason why you cut on a clockwise direction when most lathes spin anticlockwise? I know most, if not all, lathes work in both directions.
Take your parting tool. Had you set the lathe to spin in the opposite direction, you could have simply turned the tool upsidedown. But would that put any unwanted force on the part that secures the tool?
Sorry, momentarily, I've forgotten the correct name. I'm having a blond moment. 🏴⚒️🇺🇦🇮🇱
I only run the lathe in reverse so i can run the parting tool upside down . It performs a lot better . 👍
42.1 in Byford on Wednesday
Every couple of summers we get a few stinkers ! I remember quite a few years back , it hailed ! 👍
Great video but just asking when your parting off how come you put it all in Reverse I've never seen anyone else do it that way
They work better upside down in most cases , less issues with chatter . And if it does chatter , you can feed it in a lot harder . It comes from how they used to do it on turret & capstan lathes with a rear mount tool post . Cheers 👍
Uhh mate, what kind of calendar do you have in the background?
The good ones , you can not get anymore from Forch workshop consumables ! 👍
Do you ever use temperature adjustments to measurements, when your shop is that hot?
'tis gett'n to that point, isn't it !
No , all you can do is go by the measurements of both parts on the day . 👍
Nice work. What kind of mount do you have on that lathe? I got a VDF V3 German lathe and for the life of me i can't figure out what the mounting is. It's similar to yours there the chuchks are attatcked at the back with bolts, but mine also has that nut next to the gearbox on the outside. The closes i could find was an American Standard Type L - Long Taper, but my nut dosn't spin with the chuch.
That lathe has an L2 American long nose taper . You may have a bayonet ring type , i think used on some older Russian lathes . Studs on the chuck enter into a locking ring , then tightened . 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop Could be a bayonet, but do they go that big? The nut is similar shap and size to what would be an L2 long taper. Just dosnt spin with the spindle and that confuses me. Thaks for the help anyway. Should just take it apart and see what happens. Worst case scenario I have to retighten the bearing adjustment.
How is your humidity there? 100⁰f (40) in my shop and I'm pouring sweat all over everything!
We generally do not get much humidity . Mind you , there was a little bit yesterday arvo , nothing like Eastern States . 👍
Hey Max check with Kuriis from CEE ,he found some large round bar of a good qualtity for a boring bar that he made made himseif, he has a vid of him making it
I am looking for a 40 or 50 mm W insert style . Larger than that , i will make . Thanks👍
ok mate just a suggestion @@swanvalleymachineshop
@@Darkrif1957 Next time that i make one , i hope i have better luck . The last one i turned the material down for had to be machined into a part for something else !
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At @ 41 min what do think is causing the taper in the bores ?
I would bet on lathe bed wear causing the tool position or centre height to change.
The lathe bed is completely knackered . But i will be reconditioning it at a later date . 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop Interesting profile on that Heron bed, with the tilted box way at the front. Makes good sense, I reckon. It's the same as my CMT Ursus of about the same size. The earliest instance I know of is a Lodge & Shipley built (I think) just before WW1
Isn't the Heron an Italian lathe? The CMT is, so if so, less surprising that they use similar profiles.
i am doing the opposite on my steady rest, mine is too tall as well as offset, its not correct to the lathe
Thanks . That is a lot more work to lower them . 👍
If you don't melt first ....
We have a weeks break before it hits 40 again according to the weather mob ! 👍
30:58 The Guy ?
Secret ! Nice Mango's though ! 👍
Max ,you don't need to yell at us we aren't deaf. Yelling make the mike chatter.
Ok ! Should have my mic fixed soon ! 👍
That passes for a whisper in rural Australia.
It's so sparsely populated the nearest person is generally in the next county.
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Nice Max. Warm here too -5 today, usually -20 this time a year. 🔩⚒️🔧
Nice , Break out the short pants ! 👍
Those will do nicely, bores obviously very accurate to fit that well.
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For the shop ! 👍