Is OSTEOSTRONG Misleading Vulnerable People Regarding Claims of High Increases in Bone Density?
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- The advertisements and claims regarding abnormally high increases in bone density, beg the question - are these claims true. Dr. Lani will discuss one such study by John Jaquish of 11 people. The claim: 14.9% increase in the hip region and 16.6% in the spine in 6 MONTHS, once a week on the OsteoStrong equipment for 10-20 minutes. I am a clinical bone densitometrist and the author of: Dr. Lani's No-Nonsense Bone Health Guide. This is a challenge to John Jaquish to allow me to corroborate this findings as I am an expert in this area and would love it to be true.
For OsteoStrong franchise owners, if you believe your equipment increases bone density please support me in viewing the evidence - if true, I will personally back OsteoStrong and John Jaquish. Following are three requests for John Jaquish:
1. Post the 152 studies in your "peer review" study that is on your home page, with a graph, showing that OsteoStrong was more effective at building bone than any medication and twice as effective as the powerful anabolic medication, Forteo.
2. Provide your small study that included 9-11 people (2015) that showed the high increase in bone density after 6 months in the hip (14%) and spine (16%) after once a week, 10 minutes sessions, for 6 months.
3. Provide the actual bone density reports for the above mentioned study. Not hard to get from the imaging center. Include the imaging pages.
Thank you for all of you who want to make sure that the public is getting the right information
Dr. Simpson: It would be great if you considered testing it out yourself. There's little if any harm in trying it and we would trust your opinion so much if you actually tried it. I went to a consultation for OsteoStrong and my main issue is the cost. On a limited budget, I can't really afford it. I prefer to go to the gym twice a week, which costs me $52 a month.
if you did sign up to it. How often would you go? and how long would you be using the machines for per session?
Why would I bother if I already know that they are misleading people with their marketing and claims?
A comparison of my DEXA scans before and after one year of Osteostrong showed that I gained 8.6% bone density in one hip, 3.3% in the other hip, and 3.9% in my spine. As a result, one hip is no longer osteoporotic. Another friend with osteoporosis had similar results using Osteostrong for only 7 months, also confirmed by pre- and post-Osteostrong DEXA scans. Neither of us are franchise owners or investors. Neither of us take osteoporosis medications. Just people working to reverse our own osteoporosis.
But what else were you doing? It is likely that other lifestyle factors played a more significant role in your bone density improving.
The sessions typically last for about 10 minutes and they claim that coming in just once a week would be enough to see results...think about that rationally. It simply doesn't add up.
You get out of something what you put into it, especially where exercise is concerned.
Many people have sent me the before and after written reports. I’ve never seen increases like you’re describing. I wish it were true however, I’m always open to seeing the very first case. Showing similar results after seven months again we would be looking at a Nobel prize. Written reports are not to be trusted, sadly. If you’re interested, you could send me your case and I would be happy to confirm or show you how it might be incorrect. I am a clinical densitometrist
@@DoctorLani Besides osteostrong, I take calcium and vitamins, as does my friend. My MDs and chiropractor reviewed my pre and post osteostrong DEXA results and confirmed them. They are all thrilled.
@@JimP-tc7gg Taking calcium and vitamins.
@@jenniferhoult188 if you are in your 50s well after menopause and you eat an excellent bone building diet as well as significant weight training, I would believe it possible. I have several patients over the years that have gained 8 to 10% in a 2 year period that I confirmed. I am a clinical densitometrist. I doubt that your chiropractor or your MD is. if you really want to know whether or not you really did gain please contact me through my website and I would be happy to view your images. A written report is pretty worthless. I will give you my honest opinion. I have been doing this for 30 years. as an integrative doctor, I have always looked for some easy fix and never found one.
Hello, this is a great video. I’ve been doing Bon Density scans for or 20 years. I agree with Dr. Lani. There is a new Osteostrong that patients keep bragging about in Westwood, ca. I will stop by soon. I haven’t seen not one dramatic increase in bone from my follow up procedures after doing Osteo strong so far.
did you get any answers?
If it's truly scientific, John Jaquish should show his work. I like how you siad that if he can prove these types of results that he'd win a Nobel Prize.
He got his Ph.D. from Rushmore University which is NOT accredited! 😂
Google Rushmore University and see what Wikipedia has to say about it. 😆
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@@Atif_Ph.D._Kate_Bush_Fan_Club Tyvm for that information
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10555837/pdf/bvad114.386.pdf
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33754978/
Hi, Dr. Simpson - just wondered if you have any update on this video? I have been trying to decide about OsteoStrong, but the fact the centers are not staffed with medical professionals scares me! Thank you.
Dr. Jacquish got his PhD from a non-accredited school named "Rushmore college" or University
Yeah, this video is 4 years old. An update would be nice. Surely someone by now has had enough patients that do Osteostrong that they could give an educated opinion of its effectiveness.
@@newlife8318 yeah...there are no studies and the existing ones are not enough to prove anything credible. The way I see it, its just another business trying to make money off of vulnerable people with osteoporosis.
Thanks for putting this up, Lani. I am also very interested in Osteostrong and am thinking of signing up with them (because I figure its probably not going to do any harm and it might help) and I would love for there to be more research on what results can be achieved. As I see it, the more research and studies that are done the more improvements that can be made to what is offered to people with low BMD and osteoporosis!
There have been plenty of studies on low BMD and osteoporosis, but not any that I am aware of that support the claims of OsteoStrong.
@@DorianLS it's based from Wolfe's law there have been a lot of studies from that prospect
@@xandernoble3601 Wolf's law - please! 14% gain in 6 months - you clearly are not a bone expert
@@DoctorLaniHave you tried it?
@@tamarunitamaruni4724 Yes, trying it is not the issue. It’s the false and dangerous claims that they make, as I stated in the video. My opinion has not changed
Just saw your video, Great work. Do you have any updates since Aug of 2019?
Thank you so much for this great information 🙌
Very good critical analysis, thanks.
Have you tried it? That would be great research on your part.
You are welcome to do your own "research".
exactly!!!!!
Exactly, I see a Dr. here that making very dangerous blanket statements despite very mixed results which is understandable. Not everyone that goes on a "diet" will lose weight. Things take time, but for her to discourage people to try an alternative is very irresponsible. People don't want to take DRUGS with horrible side affects (fractured jaw anyone!?), yet instead of teaming up with places that are TRYING to offer an alternative, she is being very negative. And now new research studies are coming out, and they will continue to come out because this is based off of WOLFF'S LAW -- not enough people doing their research and just believing everything and anything. People can experience fractures without leaving their house, people can get hurt ANYWHERE is the point. What people need to understand and question is the qualifications of the SESSION COACHES that are taking them through the machines. Do they know how to properly set up people, do they ask if anything hurts while pressing/pushing/pulling? There are so many factors!!! YOu can also get hurt going to the gym, or going with a personal trainer that doesn't know anything. It's important to ask questions, but for Dr. Lani to just call this a SCAM outright is terrible and borderline unethical.
@@latinafitacademy agreed
I don't understand the logic of why Dr Lani's desire to dig into and verify the scientific data that is said to exist (but hasn't been provided) would be resolved by trying the machines herself?
If you were an expert in your field, and someone with a qualification that can be purchased (Cayman island diploma mill) came up with claims your experience and training told you were scientifically impossible, wouldn't you want to look deeply into and verify their data and science? And be suspicious when this wasn't forthcoming?
And if patients repeatedly turned up in your office with their own 'proof' of before and after Dexa scans that you could see were simply cases of false readings and misinterpretations, wouldn't you remain sceptical?
If patients also arrived with fractures and injuries from Osteostrong, wouldn't your scepticism become hardened, and wouldn't you see Osteostrong as potentially dangerous?
I AGREE with Dr. LANIS STATEMENT. I NEVER expected the increase some osteo strong centers claim. THE MEDICAL profession has hurt me with drugs. My problem is getting a reliable dexa scan in my area. The requirements for a tech to
Be trained in Fl is pathetic even in a hospital setting. I appreciate what Dr. Lani is trying to do. Do i still go to to OS. Yes. Due to the pandemic
I have not gone for a 2nd dexa scan .
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Watch this Video from a group of eminent Greek Endocronologists who are completing a large study of OsteoStrong - the results presented at ENDO 23 this year in the US showed a statistically significant increase in Bone Density and T Score. There are also large studies being completed in Sweden and Australia at present.
I have been going to Osteostrong for almost two years. I have also been getting regular bone density tests every two years and in the last few years I have been getting them yearly and paying out of pocket to do so. During the two years I went I had to quite for a few months because of lockdown. So after 18 months I took a bone density test that probably was 2.5 years after my last because of the pandemic. The last bone density test taken I showed normal in spine but I had Osteoporosis in my left him and borderline in my right. My recent bone density test showed my left hip was no longer Osteoporotic and that my right hip Osteopenia. The left hip increased bone by 9.8% and the right by 1.5%. As you know the increase was actually more because it doesn't account the bone that is normally lost through time. So I would say that Osteostrong is another alternative to taking Pharma drugs and safer. It takes consistency and time, but I feel it is worth it. As a caveat it also makes your muscles stronger. I initially was only able to push 500 lbs with the leg machine and now I am up to pushing 1400 lbs. If you would like me to mail you my bone density tests please let me know. I hope this helps you change your mind or at least look into it further.
I wish your gain in the femur was true. It is most likely due to an error, unless you are an extreme outlier.
I am devastated. I am almost 70. I did 99 Osteostrong sessions to the tune of almost 5 grand . I worked hard on the machines, gave it 100 percent. I never missed a session until I got covid. Just got my DEXA which is only covered every 2 years. Both my hip and lumbar spine worse. I go to the gym 5 days a week and dance 3 nights a week. I take calcium magnesium vitamin D vitamin K Is there any other way to avoid medication? DM
@@debbiemoran2876 medication only slows the deterioration down. It doesn't increase bone density.
@@DoctorLani So, all these people getting results on independent DEXA scans are somehow getting bad scans? You're basically saying that Dexa scans are totally unreliable for hundreds or thousands of people. OsteoStrong users get Dexa scans at their own providers, not through OS.
@@debbiemoran2876 That is depressing. Could be an error although all areas are showing loss. You need some significant lab work to sort out if you are actively losing and why if that can be determined. Stick with the gym and dump osteostrong
Thank you for this! My new GP said that several of her patients were having good results with osteostrong, I have always felt, intuitively, that this process wasnʻt a viable avenue. My first two years, I focused on nutrition, and exercise, and my scans showed I maintained, and didnʻt lose, which is a plus, in that, at my age (63), and my size (small bones/petite), well bone loss is a part of the bodyʻs natural changes as we age. This GP offered me fosamax recently, and I declined, and asked for a PT prescription to refine my protocol. I find, that the process, ebbs and flows, in terms of doing what I know to do. Working with machines, also, without trainers with an in depth knowledge of the body, doesnʻt seem smart. Iʻve read a few testimonies online of people sustaining fractures in this process. My goal is to remain fracture free, and maintain, and it would be a miraculous to gain.
Hi Dr. Simpson. I have osteoporosis. It's somewhat confusing on what to eat and what not to eat. Would appreciate anything you can share. Thank you.
There should be no debate about whether osteostrong is effectve.Prior to starting everyone should get a dexa scan to determine your baseline. Do the program for a year and give a 100% effort and then retest with the dexa scan. You will now have your answer.
one session is 50 dollars, once a week for 1 year = investment of 2600 dollars. expensive try-out
@@mbauden4850 I pay $100 per month for the first year.
@@richardplantan4375 $1200/year is still expensive snake oil. My Y membership, with all the weight resistance I could ever need, is about half that.
3 months at Osteo Strong and bang, Compressed L4 fracture. I’m done with them!
@@mbauden4850 exactly, just buy your own machines and weights and put in the time ... 10 min per week will do nothing ... you can get a pilates reformer for that or a vibration machine and some weights
Thank you, Dr. Lani!
I was diagnosed with -4 bone density scan in jan 2021. Asked my doctor if I could try Osteo Strong for one year and see if it helps. Well 3 months later on the leg resistance machine, my trainer and I heard a loud pop/snap from my lower back. To urgent care I went. Then onto to more films. Have a possible compression fracture in L4. Doing MRI tomorrow to determine more. Please be careful on these machines and trying to beat your records! It’s a pretty competitive environment for some users.
T-scores of -4.0 are in the anabolic treatment range. Hope you healed up without incident!
Hi Vicki, I hope that you're well. From your post, I can tell that you have that competitive streak when you see your results. I have many clients that do the same and what I always remind them is that the numbers, while fun to always beat the previous record, are more for our vanity than our progress. The load resistance needed to get the maximum benefit for the exercises is 4 times your body weight. With Osteoporosis, reversing course takes time and competitive personalities sometimes want to rush it. I hope that if you do resume your training, whether it's with Osteostrong or just weight bearing exercises, you can temper your approach to that force resistance. Better to have an off day on the numbers than a couple of weeks in bed. I would say that one of the downsides of our technique is that for the second exercise, the leg press that caused the pop, you are applying force to your legs and thighs (the big bones) while pressing the chair away from the machine causing pressure on the spine (little bones). If your spine has had more deterioration in density than your femur or thigh, it can cause fractures that are harder to heal. With only 3 months in, it sounds like that may have been the case. I wish you the very best and hope you've recovered well.
@@foycur What is anabolic treatment?
@@Energiacelestialcr Anabolic treatment refers to medications that rebuild the microarchitecture of the bone. The three medications used in clinical practice are Evenity, Tymlos and Forteo. I've had patients with these types of T-scores get compression fractures just opening windows. Sometimes though, people just have to find out for themselves. And, anyone with T-scores that low needs to be worked up to ensure there's no other medical cause for that bone loss.
If the medications work in rebuilding bones why trying to find some alternative ways that seem less competent than the meds? Do those meds have side effects? I just got diagnosed with osteoporosis but have a lot of problem reading and understanding my results, that was my first bone density test. I am not taking any meds.
This morning I went for a complimentary session at Osteostrong and loved the concept. Before enrolling I am doing my research and really want this to work. To my surprise my strength numbers were very high for a first time.
What are the contraindications beyond musculadystrophy? Is it safe for hip joint replacements? What risks for injuries?
Dr Loni, How do you feel about Tymlos, the newer bone Builder?
Any updates on this? Thank you for the video
Thank you for providing this information. I went to complimentary visit to another facility that is basically the same as OsteoStrong. It sounded too good to be true. I just couldn't find any reviews that supported the claims. If this was really the case I should see plenty reviews raving about the gym. I am not on meds yet and have never fractured and will continue with supplements, diet and exercise.
Once again I agree with what you have said and am glad I trusted my instinct.
Hi Mae, unfortunately, you did not really get a full understanding of the issue. For a doctor to open a study comparing the process to a possible scam will most definitely set the tone of the video, but it does a disservice to the subject to people who really care about the result. The information that Dr. Simpson provided was 1 study done on Osteostrong, when there are literally hundreds that can be found about the process used. While I am not a fan of Osteostrong, mostly because they are using a very personal and serious medical issue as a cash cow business, the science behind their program is sound
I agree that there is science behind osteostrong’s process. I’m looking for scientific proof that osteostrong’s program in particular is effective and, if so, what is the measureable efficacy?
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It makes sense that you a believer in Chiropractic practitioner work since most of their studies have shown to weaken bone density. You should try a month session and give us feed back from your results before the skepticism.
You can't tell if your bones are gaining in density after a month of anything. And if she has no reason to believe these claims are genuine, why would she want to spend $200 (minimum) to give us feedback?
@@DorianLS She's passionate about disproving their claims but this video does no such thing. Let her put her money where her mouth is. Saying, "This statement isn't true because I don't believe it" isn't good enough. But go believe her Karen.
I singed up telling them I had a thoracic fracture. They had no problem taking my money. The 3rd visit a mentioned my fracture to a different employee and he told me I can not use the weight machines. Long story short the employee who singed was sneaky when I asked about some billing issues. He charged my bother for a new month only 3 weeks into his first month. The employee stated that because he waived the registration fee that he could do this as it was time to bill me for a new month and my brother signed up on a family plan on my debit card.This makes me not trust anything about this company
@@biblefloss All she’s asking is for the company to back up their claims with scientific, reproducible evidence. She’s already stated that if it worked, she would do it.
I would like to see it also. Not one person who has espoused the claims of this company has presented the hard scientific, reproducible data. Anecdotal “evidence” is not scientific.
I am osteopenic, and if they had proven scientific studies, I would happily pay double, even triple for their service. For me it is not a matter of money, but proven, and I stress again, scientific results.
@@annettelewis1677 I ate bad sushi, therefore sushi is bad. No one eat sushi anymore. Good grief.
Thank you Dr. Lani! I just saw an "Osteostrong gym" on my way home from work today. The first time I have ever heard of this gym. Read about it on the internet and was surprised of the claims... I am really grateful for your video. It is not fair to let people think they can get strong and fit with so little exercising per week!
I don't believe this doctor. Dr. Mercola is using this machine! he had a video on his life and what machines he uses, he is not an affiliate for the company
Osteostrong is Not an Exercise program. Read up on it.
They don’t claim to be a gym
@@vivalastrings1689 So what are they? An institution to make you part with your hard earned money, simply...?
@@arnarne well maybe you should do a little more research. I have. Very interesting connection between brain function/response and resistance loaded with 4 times ones body weigh in machines SPECIFICALLY built for this. NOT like equipment you find in a gym. It's more like physical therapy. You know the difference between a high tech physical therapy facility vs a gym?
Thank you. We have every machine and I will bite my tongue on my thoughts on it.
The methods section makes it clear that 8 of the 9 subjects who had a second DXA were measured at the same center on the same device. My concern is that this is little more than a case series. Also that the standard deviation (SD) was is quite large which suggests that there was little change for some subjects. The randomisation process leaves much to be desired - would need cluster analysis to see whether the enrolment strategy had an effect on the findings.
It is very important that DEXA is undertaken on the same machine and preferably by the same technician.
I started going to Osteostrong about 2 years ago. Early on I personally saw other women's bone density reports from their doctors which showed improvement in bone density. Some were able to stop taking their osteo medicine. I will be having my own bone density test in a month or two. I will compare it with the test I had about 2 years ago. I was never promised huge gains--just improvement. I'm very interested to see if it works for me. If it doesn't then I'll stop going. I was not pressured into joining at all. But I guess that depends on the particular franchise you visit.
Did you ever get the test results?
please share your results.
So what were your results?
I think it's already been proven that you can increase bone density by doing weight based exercise. So I ask, how is this any different or better than doing weight based exercises, which are likely to be a lot cheaper 'treatment' and likely to give you better overall results? Their vids seem to suggest some sort of light strength training.
@@erikehlert Hi Big E, you are actually correct that it is a weight based exercise to a certain degree. The issue with comparing that type of exercise to osteogenic loading is that using the biodensity or Osteostrong equipment places a sustained weight load on the musculoskeletal system for a short duration that is based on 3-4 times of body weight. Most people can not dead lift that much weight to achieve that body/weight ratio which is comparable to the 4th exercise in the series or even chest and leg press similar to the 1st and 2nd exercise. For someone who is suffering from osteoporosis, even attempting to use weights for that amount of force would be dangerous. For conditioned people who exercise regularly, there are options to using Osteostrong or biodensity equipment for sure. One thing it is not though is light strength training. The leg press typically generates force even unconditioned individuals weights into the 400 and 500 range with many exceeding 700lbs of force after a few months of training. By removing the physical weights and focusing on the pressure that can be created through the biomechanical positioning of the body, osteogenic loading can be achieved.
This was a very valuable insight, Dr. Lani! Sadly, OsteoStrong has made its way to Denmark and on to a popular health tv-programme. Quackery is a crime and should be illegal: I am 21 and my closest family member is my 90 years old grandmother (long-time osteoporosis diagnosed) who just fractured her hips - To hear the reality about her sickness and alternative treatments was so sad but healthy to discover!
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try it out before you speak pal. if you saw the increases ive seen then you would never comment this
To everyone here...doing osteostrong or any bone density exercise will be fruitless if you don't change your cruddy diet full of sugars etc...you need to eat waaaay more protein.
Amen to that.
Interesting, thanks, what would be a reasonable bone density gain doing a heavy load workout for six months? 3, 4%?
Hi KineForce...unfortunately, that isn't a question with an easy answer. To use the age old disclaimer, everyone is different, in this case that is true. For some, osteogenic loading will simply stop the bone loss, other people might see 6-8% improvement. I've seen both. I have seen dozens of people though in the last two years go from osteoporotic to osteopenia with a dxa scan showing a huge improvement in even the spine. The major factor involved is your routine and diet. Do you normally exercise and eat well already? Have you checked the alkalinity of your body? If you go to the gym, do you perform quick reps when lifting or do you put extended force on your muscles and bones?
Thank you
Have been a customer for 9 months and I've seen a 6% improvement - feel stronger and terrific as well
Great - get the link above and if you can provide the actual bone density study comparisons I will view and share my results - you need the whole DXA report not just written
Have you past it on?
I bet she never did.
@@brunellacastelli8213 Not one of their customers has presented hard scientific data. That speaks volumes.
I believe this proves the point that the more questions asked, the better off we’ll all be. No matter the subject or your opinion of said subject. We’re all different and should never be “herded” like animals to the slaughter.
THANK YOU.😘
I will be buying your book.
Thank you for a very informative video. I agree it would be nice to see if there is follow up since this is done in 2019. Being a PT and being asked about this intervention makes me nervous and I do think if the results are what they claim should receive the Nobel Prize.
Nothing has changed about this company. Canadian doctor also made a video on this company. Lora Gregorio (not the right spelling of her last name, but just go to CZcams and see if you can find it).
Thank you. Will do.
Thank you for questioning the validity of OsteoStrong’s claims. I was recently diagnosed with osteoporosis, was shopping for a drug free treatment and tried one session with OsteoStrong. I can see where strength gains would be possible on this program, but anecdotal comments of people on Internet forums who have tried the program for a year report mixed results regarding the progression of their osteoporosis. Some have been helped and others aren’t. For a retiree on a fixed pension, OsteoStrong is very expensive, around $180-200 a month, so it’s not fair to say “It doesn’t hurt to try the program.” More hard data should be available.
I bought the viiv-rx machine, it does the same as osteostrong, but it has 8 different exercises in one machine for a fraction of the price. I'm going to use it at home first before opening a business .Maybe someone has a Viiv-rx close to you
You are the first person to finally talk about cost. Thank you!!!
@@charlieabel1533 I was checking out that machine. What is the cost of the machine? It looks very expensive and not listed on the website.
Charlie A
@@charlieabel1533 It’s been a year since your comment. How has the viiv-rx machine worked out for you? Would you recommend it over conventional weight bearing exercise? How about its effectiveness considering the cost?
iOsteostrong didn''t do a thing for me except emptying my pocketbook
Here is a link to take to the imaging facility that did the bone density test - your doctor will only have copies that are not complete. www.dropbox.com/s/kl01n0lkpvzwvsd/DXA%20request%20to%20take%20to%20imaging%20facebook%288%29.docx?dl=0
Thank you for this info. I went there to check it out. To me "if it sounds too good to be true, it is too good to be true" I'll stick with regular weight lifting and aerobics. Thanks
How can I share my findings/cases with you. I am the biggest cynic and would love for you to analyze my finding
Dr. Simpson. Is there some specific type of test we need to take, or can we do a regular Dexa Bone Density Scan?
I'm glad to hear skepticism, but the reason I'm here because I have a friend who has had at least one DXA, and multiple fractures. She just fell off her bike *hard* and didn't fracture, like she did last year from slipping on the sidewalk. Her email to me was "osteostrong works!" This isn't based on testing, just on her experience. I do see her point, knowing how easily she has fractured.
She may have had one lucky day. Sadly, instead of a rigorous evaluation she is opting for a scam. Let us know how she is doing in 3 years.
@@DoctorLani ...again Dr. Simpson, it's hard to understand if you're asking a valid question when you out right call it a scam. Telling someone that they might have just had a lucky day is just as absurd as writing it off as a complete scam too. Maybe, really evaluate the science first. There are literally dozens of studies on biodensity (basis of Osteostrong) as well as hundreds on osteogenic loading in general that you can review. I understand that you are not a fan, and if that is the basis of fact I am really pissed at Coke because i rarely have a Coke and a smile. Your opinion is based on marketing claims of one company and you used 1 study to validate that opinion...not an honest way to evaluate the process. Let's use the rigorous evaluation argument for both sides of the study.
@@ancientwisdomacupuncturewe5788 We here, not just Dr. Lani, are interested specifically in reviewing osteostrong’s own evidence. Relying on others’ studies does not prove that osteostrong’s method, specifically, is effective.
People have to keep in mind that bone mineral density is only half the story when it comes to fragility fractures. There are other factors here that can’t be measured - things like bone geometry, hydroxyapatite quality (actually tbs scores will provide some info, etc) and other things. It’s possible that there are other things happening to improve bone quality without necessarily improving the density itself .
As a clinician, one should be interested in the outcomes data. HDL cholesterol for example has been considered protective of cardiovascular disease. So it makes sense that a drug that increases HDL would lower CV event rates. One of the big pharma companies went to work and finally had something promising. But, it didn’t work. In fact even though HDL went up more people died in the study group.
Fracture risk is not absolute. I’ve had people with BMD of -1.7 have several fragility fracture and people with -2.8 scores that have never broken anything despite taking falls. It’s not a one size fits all approach.
@@curtisfoy6735 Finally, some sense in all the madness!!
All I know is that after the initial session...within days I started to feel sciatica pain. It's been over 2 months now and even though I have been to chiropractor several times, I am still in terrible pain. My next step is to see a back specialist. Looking for info to see if others have experienced the same problem.
Yes, there have been many injuries reported, including fractures. If you have not had x-rays you should get them and you may need an MRI to view soft tissues. Insist that your doctor order as you have had the pain for over 2 months. Sounds like a soft tissue injury, perhaps disc. Good luck going forward.
@DoctorLani thank you. My chiropractor said it's probably a coincidence since I went on an airplane 2 days after the initial consultation but I think that's what caused it. Thank you for your response. It is much appreciated!
The branch in Canada in Toronto I’ve been trying to reach the owner and she’s ghosted me and my bone density is even worse. How do I see them
Still need help contacting them?
for those of us diagnosed with osteoporosis, what are our options?
Increase consumption of animal foods. Decrease consumption of plant foods. Make sure protein is adequate (bone is calcified protein). Strength train (myokine signaling from the muscles will signal bones to densify). Supplement Vitamin D3 and Vitamin K2 (MK-7 and MK-4).
Did you get the first two reversed?
@@brunellacastelli8213 no, they didnt. Animal based foods > plant based foods 100%
@@aliendroneservices6621 Decrease consumption of plant foods? Do you mean of foods with high oxalic acid or all plants? I've never heard advice from multiple information sources.
Im 55 and have severe back pain due to a degenerative spine. I’m researching Osteostrong now. I’m surprised to see your video questioning the results with so many others praising it as a life saver. However, I like to question everything. Especially when it comes to my health.
My wife and I know the owners of the OsteoStrong franchise. Not John the inventor but the couple that own the OsteoStrong franchise. They’re good people. I will pass your request on to them. I believe they will be glad to have someone like you on board especially with your credentials and knowledge. I hope it all checks out because I would like to believe it would help as well.
How’d this go?
@Pod Church We’re still waiting for your response.
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There is an OsteoStrong not 1 mile from my house here in Brea California… I was about to go there and start their regimen, at least I was going to look into it first and found out through my research that I would have to go at least 24 times at $200 a pop, once time a week… I am due to have a bone density test as I am now 60 years of age and have not always had the best diet… But I have had up until my early to mid-40s an excellent work out lifestyle, even my job was highly physical in the produce department at a major Chang grocery store… Thank you for your honesty and openness to being willing to even team up with us to osteo strong if you find it to be what they claim…
Thank you for your comment. My opinion has not changed. OS is ripping off people and I receive many complaints of serious injuries - just last week a woman wrote that she fractured a vertebra and her husband herniated a disk. The franchise owners are taught high power selling techniques with awesome results requiring a mere 10 minutes of your time to gain bone density.
@cindyherman6872 it costs $200 for a month (4 sessions a month). I am also looking into this currently.
I just join after two years of discovering this. I have a friend who has been doing it 4 years, and swears by it based on adding bone that is reported with her bond density test. We r in our 70s.
What do you think about Juvent?
Can you review the claims made by the bone supplement company AlgaeCal? They make big claims and are also expensive.
Dr. Lani - would love to know your feedback on the new studies coming out in Greece by OsteoStrong and an update to your "Medical Review". More importantly would love to have you make a video of you visiting an OsteoStrong Location showing people what the process entails and how doing so could not possibly 1) Stop 2) prevent 3) reverse Osteoporosis to Osteopenia, and / or Osteopenia back to normal? Also, could you address why many people are claiming improvement in balance and strength * Therefore reducing the risk of a fall / fracture? That would be most helpful to your audience. I do believe they would provide a complimentary session. Good luck to everyone.
Been there done that - OS does improve balance - I can also improve balance without paying for it. The people claiming to have increased bone density offer written reports that are not typically done by trained densitometrists. Maybe watch the video again to gain more insight.
@@DoctorLani Once again you are generalizing and making blanket statements. Please consider this behavior to be treading on dangerous ground because you might be discouraging someone from checking it out for themselves - which could potentially be life saving - and you can also be influencing someone to just take medication, which could have life threatening side effects. Having said that, just like medication, it can work for some and not for others (that's why there are OPTIONS). What your audience should understand as well is that at some point medicine was "experimental" and those who chose to try it - well you know what happens. I think what would be more valuable to your audience is not me reviewing your video for more "insight". On the contrary, it would be a more valuable to your audience is truly providing an unbiased review with proof for why it could work, or could not work for some. Also giving them information like the new research that is coming out from Greece, the fact that their whole franchise is based on research and date from Dr. Wolffe a German Anatomist and "Wolff's Law". As far as I know, his research and work are not a "scam" or a rip off. If the modality proves to be too expensive for most people, I feel sorry for them. Budgeting for your health and wellness should be everyone's top priority, as it only gets more expensive the more you age. Good luck everyone.
Lani, Do you have any update on this since August? Also, do any of the reputable osteoporosis foundations have a view on OsteoStrong? Seems like they would run towards it if it was real.
My opinion is still the same. Their claims are outrageous and dangerous.
No update and NO one contacted me - big surprise as they are now in full swing in Europe and Austrailia
@@DoctorLani what's your opinion on BoneFit?
@@DoctorLani Dr. John Jaquish wrote several books documenting and citing his work on both osteostrong and the x-3 in great detail. You should pick up either of his books and take a look. Skepticism is not a bad thing, but he literally published all of his work while also citeing all of the studies within each book, blog post, fb post, youtube interview, etc. He doesn't leave that out ever.
@@olliven666 Not everyone who writes a book is to be trusted. Are you aware that he received his doctorate from a diploma mill in the Cayman Islands? He is a scam artist and the claims alone should give you pause.
Did Dr. Jaquish ever furnish you with those DEXA scans?
I have ehlers dances syndrome and just got diagnosed with osteoporosis (32 yr) and had an intro session to osteostrong today but I am on the fence if it's going to be scam documentary in few years.
You have a lot to learn and it’s really good that you have been diagnosed early. There is a free group on Facebook under my name regarding Myths and Facts for osteoporosis. EDS is indeed a risk factor for osteoporosis and increase fracture risk. Osteostrong is not the answer so don’t waste your time and money learn everything you can regarding building, healthy bone, diagnosing, diet, etc.. every doctor, you see of every persuasion will have an opinion and you need to learn enough to understand whether or not that person is diagnosing you correctly and advising you correctly. Keep in mind you can lose a lot of bone when you hit menopause. The more you learn the more you will help your bones and improve your physical independence as you age
There are countless research papers supporting the implementing of mechanical loading as a method of increasing bone mineral density.
The level of BMD increase will vary amongst individuals.
Yes, there are many research papers regarding mechanical loading and bone health and improved bone density. OS's claim, "The advertisements and claims regarding abnormally high increases in bone density, beg the question - are these claims true. Dr. Lani will discuss one such study by John Jaquish of 11 people. The claim: 14.9% increase in the hip region and 16.6% in the spine in 6 MONTHS, " Show me any credible research paper that shows this level of increase. The problems is the owners of these facilities put anyone on the machine that comes in. People are mislead and some fracture or otherwise injure themselves on the machines. Keep in mind that Jaquish got his Ph.D from a diploma mill in the Cayman Islands. When he and I met many years ago he brought me 5 cases, none of which showed bone gain. He clearly had no clue regarding reading DXA scans. So yes, significant weight training done mechanically sound can build bone for some and is dangerous for others. I have patients fracturing quite easily. And, they claim no one can fracture on their equipment - I should do a part two - since this YT aired I have plenty of cases of fractured bones and injuries on this "quick fix" program
I like to share my one year experience with Osteostrong ...Reversed my DIL's Osteopenia, help me get of my medication which I was taking for past 18yrs for fibromyalgia, no more aches and pain, Gave me my life back... Freedom to do things like I loved to do means world to me! I respect what you do but you need to respect how Osteostrong is making BIG difference in peoples life Please!!!
I am happy to hear that it has helped you - I have no argument with that. The issue is the claims regarding osteoporosis and their marketing targets osteoporosis with claims of, frankly unbelievable increases in bone density. 14% increase in 6 months? Does this sound right to you? Better than any anabolic medication out there. Beats Forteo by 7+% according to their "peer reviewed" study of 152 studies - OK so list the studies in this peer review - that should not be difficult.
Lata: I heard Dr. Lani requesting Osteostrong client's DXA tests to confirm the result that are being presented.
@@FoodforHealthyBones Thank you Irma. What I am requesting is for John Jaquish to come forward with his studies of 9-11 people that gained 14% in their hips and 16% in their spine.
Since visiting their website I am also asking for the 152 studies that were included in the "peer review" study that claims osteostrong was twice as effective as Forteo and more effective than any other medication for building bone.
Hey Lata, Since you work for OsteoStrong (Your facbook page says you work for them) can you please provide the test results for Dr. Lani. I would like to validate their program and get my frail, 88 yr old mother signed up. She might benefit from it more than I would.
@@bizcandy Yep, happy to verify any results from the full DXA comparisons.
What type of doctor are you?
She’s a Doctor of Chiropractics. I won’t lie, usually I’m extremely skeptical of chiropractors’ claims. However, Dr. Lani has impressive legitimate credentials that can be found online (too extensive for me to present here) and evidence to backup her statements. She’s truly scientific.
Its been great for me! Immediately noticed a difference in balance, strength, the increase in my bone denisity has been very slow but moving upwards and not down as it had been. At my age I believe its fantastic....even to keep it the same.... BElieve it !
How do you know you increased bone density and how much? Did a certified clinical densitometrist compare your DXAs? While you think you had improvement please understand that this system is dangerous for many. I have many cases where people fractured bones. I am in a group today with OP exercise expert Sherri Betz and she agrees this is not for osteoporosis. Many practices can improve balance that are much safer and a read exercise program.
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@@DoctorLani Again, by you saying "Many cases where people fractured bones" -- what did they do? What is their health like? Did the session coach not set them up properly in the machines? There are SO many factors here, and I feel it's a bit irresponsible for you to knock the entire modality out and depriving people of an alternative method that might actually work for them in stopping, reversing or perhaps even improving their condition without taking drugs. Could you do better please and actually go to an OS location with a few patients and do case studies with them?? That I would like to see. I like to encourage versus discourage people that are already in a precarious situation, that are feeling anxiety, worry, stress, possibly even depression over their condition.
I started Osteostrong 6 months ago and had my DexaScan right before I started and had another scan six month after, my hip improved by 19.2% and my spine improved by 5.5%, my balance and my posture have never been better, I totally believe in Osteostrong and its benefits.
Wow!!!
It is not possible that you gained 19.2% in your spine unless you were taking medication’s. The hip error is likely that they included too much of the femur shaft and improper rotation. I would bet money on this. Your spine also did not improve 5.5% on this equipment unless you were taking medication‘s or taking strontium which falsely improves bone density on DXA scans.
@@DoctorLani She actually stated she had 5.5% improvement in her spine, the 19.2% increase was in her hips
@@rickachumusic Anyone who understands bone physiology would know that it’s not possible to gain 19.2% in the hip or anywhere else in the body after six months. Nor is it possible that she gained 5.5%. I’m happy to offer a second opinion if she wants to get the original comparison study, with images to me and I can post that on CZcams for everyone to see.
@@DoctorLani I honestly am not an expert nor have I done thorough research. I have been doing more hence watching your video. I just noticed when you replied, you had the numbers backwards. Based off of what research I have done, this method of increasing bone density isn't worth the risk of future injuries with those dealing with osteoporosis. That being said, I feel like this method of increasing bone density would be a really great tool to use proactively to help prevent osteoporosis in the future. However, preventative care is not a topic often discussed in western medicine unfortunately. Most medicine and treatment in this country is reactive instead of proactive. That being said, I really do appreciate you sharing you're insight! Thank you!
Yes, still against it - give the link for this video to your endo. Also, there is another video by a Canadian group reporting the same thing
Dr. Lani, I have been a participant in osteo strong and I have never been told it is a cure . I did after 10 months show improvement but not in the realm you mentioned. I do not have unrealistic expectations I just want to remain strong and off medications. I
Dr. Lani, I'd like to give this a shot...but I am very afraid that with osteoporosis in the spine the machines could cause a fracture. Would encourage you to contact John Jaquish directly - I agree the lack of large scale scientific studies is troubling. That said, if it does what it says it can do I want to start on this ASAP. Thank you!! PS - there's a typo on your first slide - should read Osteo Strong.
What government agency or nonprofit organization would monitor these claims?
Sweden is conducting a study
@@SweemTim89 Any results yet?
Exactly. That’s what I say. Not miracles.
I did this for fifteen months. The one-and-a-half years before I began Osteostrong, my bone loss worsened by .65%. After the 15 months at Osteostrong, my bone loss worsened by 1.38%.
I guess you did not gain the 14% that they claim is possible on their website - sorry to hear that. Bone is complex and needs to be fully evaluated regarding diet, GI health, lab tests etc.
Well that sounds pretty amazing, I wonder Dr Lani he does not comment on this or the other positive results
The thing to keep in mind your person is losing an average of let’s say 6% bone loss in a year, and perhaps it helps you by 4.62%. Sometimes all people say is that they’ve lost 1.38% not realizing their loss could be much greater.
Dr Lani Should realize that if somebody is actually diagnosed with asked your process they could be losing between 3% and 5% of their bones in a year
I think there’s a happy medium to be had some place I think Dr. Lani seems to be overly negative and Dr. Jacquees seems to be overstating things if he is saying the average bone increases is 14-16 a year
Have you had your thyroid checked? Thyroid issues, poor diet, lack of vitamin D/Iodine/other vitamins minerals and nutrients, and many other factors can affect bone and muscle health. Sugar/Carbs, seed oils, lack of sunlight, lack of exercise/loading, toxins/allergens, nutrient deficiencies, infections (mold, bacteria, viruses, etc.) and many more things can wreck your health.
People with underlying conditions also with osteoporosis will not see results with OsteoStrong as quickly as those who do not have underlying conditions. They may not even see bone improvement but will see a decline in bone loss. Also, there are a lot of factors while using the equipment that could affect your results as well.
@@thoralder4963 Which is exactly why a well designed study is needed if they really want to publish meaningful data that back up their claims. Have all the subjects been evaluated for secondary causes? Are there exclusions to the study? Is the same densitometry tech doing the scan, the same densitometrist reading them?
I am not sure how bone density increases with a 10 minute "work out".
My guess is that because it's based on "impact", which from my understanding causes very tiny micro fractures... Then the bone basically thickens and heals, which would make the one time per week make more sense. I realize I'm not using the right terminology but I've seen evidence of this in martial artists. And therefore, it isn't a workout per se. Hence "no sweat". Just a guess, from what I'm reading.
But that's just a guess.
Hi Rowena, here is a link to how the osteogenic loading process works. americanbonehealth.org/exercise/bonesense-on-osteogenic-loading/
The process is actually a series of short (5 second) exercises that stimulate the bone building cells. Most of the time in between the exercises is setting up your body in the perfect biomechanical position to safely execute the exercise. When we try to boil the process down to a "work-out", keep in mind that this process is not going to have you breaking a sweat or even having to put on exercise clothes. It is a manipulation of the bone, not the muscle that we are going for.
The equipment that we use is biodensity and answers to a few questions can be found here: biodensity.com/about-us/faqs.
Hope this helps and finds you well.
@@ancientwisdomacupuncturewe5788 Once again, you’re using someone else’s studies to back up osteostrong’s claims.
I greatly want to believe that osteostrong’s program is effective, but they must first present their own scientific studies.
@@thomaslsmith77 Yes, heavy lifting can increase bone density. So can high impact, just look at the hands of some older karate masters. But . . . Pavel Tsatsouline stopped recommending that trainees allow kettlebells to impact their forearms (in order to strengthen bone) because he was informed that it could actually cause cancers and have other negative consequences. In the same way, hand conditioning in martial arts that is performed incorrectly causes other bone problems such as osteoarthritic and mobility problems, along with chronic pain. Some of my joint issues are the result of hard impact karate in my pre-teens and teens. In addition, the improvement experienced by powerlifters or martial artists is something that takes decades of gradual improvement.
Asking people with already weakened bones to engage in maximal loading is quite different. The book cites very heavy poundages for some exercises, but ignores the fact that a resistance band device can only generate those poundages as a result of being resisted to that degree by the working muscles. The fact that the band can generate 500 lbs of resistance means very little if I can only generate 50 or 100 lbs in that position.
It appears that some forms of strength training do help people with bone density problems, but I would guess (not being a doctor or physiotherapist) that their ability to build new bone, even in response to loading or impact, is going to be less than that of a fully healthy powerlifter who begins training in young adulthood.
Could you not do the research yourself by getting 11 patients to try it and you do the measuring before and after yourself? To me this sounds like the best way to prove or disprove once and for all and not have to trust someone else's research who has a clear bias on the outcome! You are clearly qualified and it shouldn't be hard to find 11 (or however many) people to volunteer.
I'm sure she'd be willing to "do the research" herself, if YOU are willing to fund it. Osteostrong's program isn't free.
I thought this too - it's easy to call everything a "scam" and be negative and discourage people. People can fracture ANYWHERE, even going to the gym I can get hurt, but if there is an ALTERNATIVE option for me that does not require DRUGS with horrible side effects, I am willing to be open minded and try it. Two people can go on a diet at the same time and can have different results - it has to do with so many individualistic factors --What is making me upset here is Dr Lani is knocking on an alternative method that could potentially help save lives, instead of say PARTNERING up with OsteoStrong, or helping them how to improve for the sake of people that are suffering from this horrible disease.
My doctor (endocrinologist) told me to go to
Osteostrong. It’s expensive and over an hour a way just for 10 minutes they told me. So it’s a no??
Do your research! Don't rely on a CZcams video.
New Studies out
NEW STUDY! OsteoStrong's Game-Changing Breakthrough: Revolutionary Bone Density Gains Unveiled in Landmark Clinical Study: a 2023 Research Study by by renowned researchers Dr. George Chrousos and Dr. Nektaria Papadopoulou
NEW STUDY! Greek OsteoStrong Study 2023: Brief, low-impact, high-intensity Osteogenic Loading training utilizing proprietary OsteoStrong devices with once-a-week, 10-minute treatments improve Bone Mineral Density in Women with Osteoporosis of the lumbar spine
I used it for 2 months. I went in thinking no way. But I felt so much better with a bad back and arthritis plus it makes you more stable on feet. Try it for 6months and you feel differently
The real issue is their false, misleading and sometimes dangerous claims regarding osteoporosis. I can get all the benefits you mention without paying a scam company.
Sharon, I went to Osteostrong near me for a few months. I told them I have very bad knees. They insisted I use their vibration plates as well as their other equipment of course. My right knee got much worse after that. I was really enjoying the program and was so excited. I sadly quit.
Have you talked to anyone who has attended OsteoStrong?
These numbers of course are the averages. That means there were some of the 11 subjects who had more and some who had less. After reading the comments here some who have done Osteostrong and had no improvement so that means some zeros must have been averaged in. This then means that there must be many in the study who had improvements in the 20-30% range. Is that possible?
My husband and I did OsteoStrong for 6 months. We both have osteoporosis. My husband got injured and continue to have increased pain after the initial 3 months. My doctor told me to ask about research showing decrease of future fractures. They promised to get me the reports after a while I stopped asking knowing that they don’t exist. I got a moderate herniated disk after 6 months and quit. Now waiting for second MRI to do nerve blocks and maybe discectomy. I have DEXA scan from before starting and will get one after my increased pain is addressed. I will consider action against this company if surgery is needed. That does not address increased pain in all my joints and tendons.
I had 4 sessions and in so much pain. I had hurt my shoulder months ago and it healed after my first session my shoulder starting to hurt again after my third the pain was unbearable and I cannot move my shoulder or my arm.
My body aches.
Unlikely the disc was caused by that
@@shaktishaker Absolutely!
Give up wheat and dairy it will make a huge difference
Bone is a type of connective tissue. Saying that osteoporosis progression is the deconditioning of tissue is not and inaccurate statement.
True and bone is also part of the endocrine system, which sets it apart. Glad you have interest in learning about bone, not many DCs do - Thanks for posting
How do I know my bone density is correct?
Get a second opinion from a certified bone densitometrist. I do this and maybe others. In my bone book there are two chapters on bone density with errors to see. Also, there are two videos on CZcams regarding errors
Our area is $119 month for 4 one-on-one sessions.
I plan on going slow and easy, as I’m almost 70.
There’s a massage bed and an infrared light bed we can alternate on at the end of each session if we choose. To me it’s a mini health spa day! ☺️
Consider getting the AARP United healthcare Medicare supplement that gives you free membership.
@@Endlessknitsis this true???
@@nightprancer1282 yes it's true. That's what I have and I go to OsteoStrong for free. I would check your local AARP Medicare supplement coverage. I don't know if it's different per state.
I read a review online given by a woman that did OsteoStrong for 1 full year and her folllow up DEXA showed no increase in bone density. Women need to do a thorough research of any product that claims to increase bone density. Other valuable tests, besides DEXA, that measure status of bone are P1NP which measures osteobclasts and CTX which measures osteoclasts.
Exactly, thank you for adding your thoughts - so important. I attended a webinar last night and the doctor claimed that a supplement, Ostinol, increased bone density by 53% in 4+ years. Absurd claim and dangerous
Have you used the machine?
Yes, and not impressed - I am impressed with working out and cross-training
@@DoctorLani Saying you are "not impressed" debunks the entirety of your video and your claims. And you are a Dr.? This is what you would tell someone that is suffering from Osteoporosis? Good grief.
Hang on. How could she offer anything other than a personal opinion from 'trying the machine'. What her video is about is the lack of proof to backup Osteostrong's claims, which her decades of experience and training tell her are scientifically impossible. They have consistently failed to provide the data to back up their claims. If anything she is attempting peer review.@@latinafitacademy
You tried osteostrong and you're not impressed? Great! Where can I read your documented results.??
In Sweden it seems they are going to do real research on this matter to evaluate the OsteoStrong method. Might become staple of Swedish public health care if I interpret it correctly.
Thank you for your post. I hope that the Swedish public health care will finish the study and publish the results. My bet is that the claims by OsteoStrong will not be validated by independent scientific research.
Have they published any results of their research?
Which I would tend to trust far more than a company study with an N of 11.
They are currently researching
I’ve been going to Osteostrong for months my osteoporosis is even worse. How is that possible?
Could be because of hormonal or nutritional deficiency
please comment on hyperparathyroidism as a cause for osteoporosis.
I know this is an old video, but I have been looking into OsteoStrong. Have you done any other research since this? I was setting up for the free training and one of the videos shows that some of the exercises use 4 times your body weight for 5 seconds and you have to sign a waiver. I have heard people around me have had good success, but this honestly scares me. When I asked about their vibration plate and if they use low intensity, they said most people want higher, but they can turn it down. I am thinking of canceling. I don't want to get caught in the middle of a high-pressure marketing session.
No I do not support this company at all on any level - my opinion has not changed
Don't bother with them, but do make sure you get diagnosed correctly - lab work, trabecular bone score, bone turnover markers etc. if you are actively losing bone things can go South pretty fast. Consider my masterclass (on my website) This week on the 26th - one hour with me live answering questions.
I recommend doing your own research before starting. I have seen many people get great results from going. Don't feel so pressured though, if you do it then do it out of looking for a natural remedy.
Scam company
I must have been one of the 44 women (out of the test group of 55) that did not have those astounding results.
Are you capable of putting in the maximum effort possible? I have seen a lot of women who can't. No matter what you do if you can't exercise in full intensity mode your results will be poor.
I got double vision from using the machines. 8 weeks of not being able to drive, walk on a sidewalk, couldn't work. My now PT says that 15min once a week won't do it. We need consistent exercise a minimum of 3x a week for 15min to build bone.
Sorry to hear that you had that experience. I’ve had multiple patients that end up with fractures that they claim to care on your equipment. Their claims are focus and your physical therapist is correct.
…..sounds too good to be true”. Too -> two o’s . Grammar teacher here 😂😊
why do I never see men studied ? I just had fracture after 6months!! 72 yr old man with osteoporosis
My endocrinologist said he's seen positive results from it. My sister's endo said he's seen compression fractures from it. I don't know what to think, but I have a healthy level of skepticism toward, and a certain amount of dislike for, Jaquish. That's why I went with the Harambe system instead of X3.
When you evaluate osteostrong you have to take into question the ability and willingness of the person to give a maximal effort when using the devices. From my experience in working out I have come to realize that most people are unable to give maximum effort. As soon as discomfort starts they have a tendency to quit their effort. Since I have joined osteostrong my performance scores each week have Improved. I took a dexa scan prior to starting and will take a follow up test in 6 months. The great thing about judging the effectiveness of osteostrong is that you can get a dexascan to see what improvement, if any,has occured but again you can only judge those people who give a 100% effort not those who quit when the discomfort starts.
Ability? No one at osteostrong knows how to evaluate osteoporosis cases - zero understanding. They look at reports and have no clue about their bone health. Maximum effort, for some can lead to fractures.
I fractured T7 giving it my best effort and ability at OsteoStrong!
Yeah ! A 14% increase means in 5 yrs, I'll double my bone density..And, only if I partnered with Tony !
Hahaha!!! Yeah right :)
Funny! Once I saw Tony as a partner I questioned the whole thing! Lol
I was having pains in my back, legs, arms, some challenges getting out of the tub. Before ostestrong. All.gone," All gone..Knee pain gone. I am stronger
QUIT PUTTING IT DOWN AND TRY IT
I guess you did not watch my video or don't understand what I was presenting. Their claims about osteoporosis are BUNK. Of course some people may have help with their aches and pains and others end up with fractures and at least two people I know, herniated discs. And, I have tried it
Totally agree with you
When it comes to managing professional risk, documentation is everything. Claims must be supported by documentation. Anecdotal results are not claims, just a (hopefully) factual statement that of a test group (clinical trial?) of 50 women, 20% (10) had spectacular results. How do you measure "spectacular" Is there a continuum of results? I prefer +5 = Excellent; +3 = Moderate; +1 = Negligible benefit and - 1 - -5 to harmful - where the patient was worse off after the treatment. In summary- 1. Is this a clinical trial or a test group? 2. what are the metrics for measuring the results? 3. If 20% were spectacular, what was the distribution among the remaining 80%; and 3. what other evidence can be considered, in addition to bone density and other clinical tests. What about other anecdotal evidence such as patient testimonials? before and after pictures? groups of people whom you know personally? Personally, if I get on the machine and feel a benefit and speak to 10 other people who feel a benefit, then the machine may be perfect for me, even if the clinical studies don't support my personal experience. After all, EVERY pharmaceutical drug has a % of people who do not benefit from the drug (more than 50% if you are depending on double-blind, placebo-controlled studies) and EVERY drug has contraindications (side effects - "which may include stroke, death ..."). So patients and practitioners have a lot to consider when evaluating whether OsteoStrong is effective for them. On the other hand, if specific claims are being made and specific results are being claimed based on specific studies cited by OsteoStrong, is there any reason that a summary of those studies cannot be provided? A brief explanation would help put my concerns to rest.
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When we look at osteoporosis through a western model treated with ineffective medicine we see it as a condition to be managed not reversed. That is my problem with the western model. These conditions can be reversed when we address it with a holistic approach. Proper nutrition and supplementation alone can make a difference, add an appropriate weight routine and I believe this is possible. What is practiced is typically from research that is years behind. Can we start looking at more data and address the root issues so we can change chronic conditions, vs tell someone to stop moving their spine leading to more problems, pain and injury. More research is needed, I hope this program changes the way we look at osteoporosis and allows us to research other models.
I am with you that nutrition, GI health exercise etc. that should be the base treatment for any osteoporosis patient. However, I deal with women who have very fragile bones - some in their 40's and 50's. One patient I am dealing with now has pregnancy and lactation osteoporosis and then a 12 year old boy that has fractured 8 vertebra. FIRST, people need to be diagnosed correctly. Not just Western doctors are simply treating a bone density test and not the patient, but doctors from all over the world. Then we have Integrative doctors that do not know how to fully evaluate a patient to diagnose individually either. I think if you read my book or joined my masterclass you would see that we are aligned regarding the need for proper nutrition etc. I myself was diagnosed in my 40's. natural methods including low dose bio-identical hormones have kept me going well and I also know my trabecular bone score (see video interview with Didier Hans) which is high - meaning my bones can absorb some impact. That said, now at 74 still with osteoporosis and the TBS and bone turnover markers indicate bone loss and quality going down. Many who have normal bone density and fracture easily due to bone quality. Then there is genetics and that too can play a huge roll in some cases.
And I will add that proper use of medication absolutely saves lives and physical independence in severe cases. the mistake that many health care providers is to group all people diagnoses with osteoporosis through the same lens. There is a place for WISE USE of medications.
Interesting that when someone I know offered to share their results with you you refused....hmmm, what are your motives?
Ok so try again. The written reports are useless, so have your friend send a CD with both bone density tests. I will make a video and post it for all to see with images.
Osteostrong stretches the truth DRAMATICALLY. They advertise their treatments as a workout to make you stronger. Ha! There is zero muscle contraction in the workout. It is isometric in nature. The purpose of of the isometric type exercises allows for the muscles to be minimilized or eliminated from treatment so the pressure you apply goes straight to the bone, by-passing the muscle almost entirely. I have many local success stories documented at my studio. In other words, I can prove it's efficacy. Muscle strength will only improve, gradually, when the patient has virtually no muscle, prior to starting treatment. ALL clients showed improvements in 6 months to a year. In fact, I offered a money back guarantee. I never had to refund, once!
REALLY???. Well it didn't help me at all
Isometric exercises can build strength in people who have significant neuromuscular issues due to immobility or illness. But to be effective you need a much longer period of exercise to see any improvement in strength. For those who are able to move easily against gravity isometric are less effective than isotonic and eccentric contractions. I automatically thought that claim was bogus but ignored it because my concern was bone growth. I did Osteostrong for over 3 yrs. It did absolutely nothing for me. While I don't think this is a scam, I do take issue with wild claims. Priceed with caution
@@debbie9929 We are in complete agreement. But, when it comes to isometric exercise, you don't need to pay for expensive "exercise sessions". Those exercises can easily be done at home
@michaelevans9620 for sure. You can work your hips easily by pushing against tge wall to activate the entire socket. Maybe doing that daily would benefit your hop. Jumping Jack's done regularly helps to build bones and yoga or plates helps.
I tried all the drugs. I was in agony I couldnt get out of bed I was in so much pain, then the Dr. tells me these drugs dont give you pain. Bull Then diagnosed with parathyroid ademoma. Unfortunately all my numbers have returned to normal. I say unfortunately because know I dont know what the deal is.
When you have the adenoma removed, in the first and second year you can gain bone on your own. Also, osteoarthritis falsely elevates bone density as do fractures. And the bone density tests can be incorrect.
Thank u. But im really not convinced its really there my pth all else normal so they say i just joined osteo strong. Just found your video. Nothing to loose but money lol
I’m wondering why since you hold all these important ways of documenting bone health…why you yourself don’t join the gym for a period time to see if you personally get any results…wouldn’t this answer your questions Dr Simpson???
I’m wanting to join osteostrong & came upon your video & don’t understand your resistance in joining to answer your own questioning here??? Plz get personal answers…!!
John Jaquish has a master's degree in marketing, I believe, and an undergraduate degree in business.
Yep, he is a good marketer
He he has a PhD in Philosophy in Biomedical Engineering Research. He was on the Board of Directors for American Bone Health for 3 years and is currently Editorial Board member of the Journal of Steroids and Hormonal Science. ;)
No he doesn't. Dr. Jaquish has a degree in bio-mechanical engineering
@@sessioncoach9383 From a diploma mill located in the Cayman Islands. Whatever 'teaching' was done, if any, was long-distance learning. That's not how you become a doctor.
He’s a master marketer, pun intended.
There’s no such thing as reversing osteoporosis, only bone preservation which requires strengthening
Are you still against it? Any new evidence?
No response from them and yes, I still am against this company and their claims.
New Studies
NEW STUDY! OsteoStrong's Game-Changing Breakthrough: Revolutionary Bone Density Gains Unveiled in Landmark Clinical Study: a 2023 Research Study by by renowned researchers Dr. George Chrousos and Dr. Nektaria Papadopoulou
NEW STUDY! Greek OsteoStrong Study 2023: Brief, low-impact, high-intensity Osteogenic Loading training utilizing proprietary OsteoStrong devices with once-a-week, 10-minute treatments improve Bone Mineral Density in Women with Osteoporosis of the lumbar spine
Questioning OsteoStrong or any other new medical procedure is excellent however, when the questions lead to a conclusion without facts (just opinion, even a very qualified one) is also dangerous. Please get your facts straight that contradict the OsteoStrong research or anyone else’s research, then present your position
This is an incorrect position. It is up to the person or group making claims to the public to prove their position. Dr Simpson is qualified to read their published papers and comment on whether they prove what it is said that they prove. The average person is not qualified to do this. She is saying that she has not seen any real proof, and asked the inventor / providers to support their claims. This is entirely reasonable and a public service.
11 adults a high powered study does not make LOL.
Plus 11/55 is 20% effectiveness. Not enough to market truthfully; assuming the 11% is a verifiable improvement as claimed.
@@truerosieunless I am looking at the DXA scans myself, I'd seriously doubt 11%. I see huge "improvements" in DXAs all the time that end up being related to degenerative changes, rotation of the spine, etc.
This is just like anything else. Some people get great results, some don’t . Some people get hurt, some don’t. Some people have the money to spend, some don’t. But to say it’s a scam is wrong.
It is a SCAM. If the results are really what they claim there would be one of these in every town with millions of people happily showing their results. Insurance companies would gladly pay for it over paying for medications & surgeries.
@@chrischamberlain7628 if it were a scam there would thousands of people suing them. If it were a scam the BBB would issue a warning. If it were a scam the state would not issue them a license to franchise.
@@edjimenez3098 How do you know they aren’t being sued? Why wouldn’t he show Dr.Lani the results if it’s really true what he said? It speaks volumes that he wouldn’t.
@@edjimenez3098 czcams.com/video/eS0-7j8Dkm0/video.html Here’s more people knowing it’s a scam.
@@chrischamberlain7628 well, if we are gonna play the assumption game , it is because there several stores open in California and more to come. It would be in the news some how. These are franchises not a corporation. They are run by ordinary entrepreneurs. There are a lot of legitimate enterprises permitting the businesses to be opened: banks, chambers of commerce, state departments. I am assuming they would not want to be part of such a scam. And even though you and I are giving each other the courtesy of this conversation, why would the company find it necessary to engage with some lady on CZcams? There are always three sides to a story: Hers, His, and the truth.