The Rolling Stones’ Doomed Genius
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- Brian Jones was the first in a string of musicians that saw the abrupt end of their lives at the young age of 27. What most people don’t know is that Jones’ demise was-and is-shrouded in mystery.
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Charlie Watts had the decency to go to his funeral. He was always a class act.
I always like Charlie. He was stoic, even-tempered, and pure business business.
He sure was
When they got the news of Brian's death, Charlie Watts was apparently inconsolable. Charlie Watts guiltily admitted: “We took his one thing away, which was being in a a band.
So did Bill Wyman
I met Charlie Watts in Montreal, Canada, in (I think) 1972 or three. I chatted with him for about ten minutes. He was a real gentleman, quiet and with a good sense of humor.
"Brian was a brilliant, fluent multi-instrumentalist, he was the one who founded the Rolling Stones and he had the creative vision that helped them to evolve organically from a mop-top blues-pop group into the mystical rock gods they became--something that many people today might not realise."--Mick Fleetwood
Agree up to a point. I loved Mick Taylor. Once Mick left, replaced by Ronnie Woods, the Stones music went downhill. For me, their last good album was Exile on Main Street. All that followed, overall, was rubbish.
The only group of musicians that Brian "founded" was the 27 club...
@@mnob1122Some Girls? Tattoo You? No good? Bold.
@@JeffRemains Nope, only “Start Me Ip”.
@@williardbillmore5713 The only group you ever founded was the 'I'm a BS artist with revisionist Stones history and I don't know WTF I'm talking about' club, lol.
Jagger, called him manipulative, the tea pot calling the kettle black.
Takes one to know one sometimes
Jones was a psychopath and a manipulative malignant narcissist
@@garethclark5489 yeah but mick jagger had rock star Neanderthal energy. Poor runty Brian Jones had asthma, but chain smoked from shattered nerves, everyone knew his gf left him, he beat women...he was in over his head
@@decimated550
Bill Wyman said this and it makes sense to me. Brian Jones` erratic and destructive behavior could have been due to serious undiagnosed medical problems. One of Jones` out-of-wedlock daughters, now in her 30s, is quoted to the effect that she suffers from epileptic symptoms that cause fits and mood swings similar to those exhibited by the father she never knew. Sounds like your speaking about Keith Richards. Stones pianist and roadie Ian Stewart had to keep a list of airlines unwilling to let the guitarist aboard, and he later revealed that Richards was banned by Alitalia 'for staying in the restroom from Rome to London, punching that crazy Anita Pallenberg. Similar outbursts would recur throughout the couple's 12-year relationship. His drug addiction was so severe that the guitarist was charged five times during those years. You say Brian was beating women ?Anita Pallenberg treated him to an uninhibited crash course in sadomasochistic sex. They moved to a pad in Chelsea which was especially soundproofed, though not enough to muffle the crack of her whip. Did you read what George Harrison said about him and lots of UK musicians ? Brian Jones to me is the BEST. George Harrisons words, When I met [Brian Jones] I liked him quite a lot. He was a good fellow, you know. I got to know him very well, I think, and I felt very close to him; you know how it is with some people, you feel for them, feel near them. He was born February 28, 1943, and I was born on February 25, 1943, and he was with Mick and Keith and I was with John and Paul in the groups, so there was a sort of understanding between the two of us. The positions were similar, and I often seemed to meet him in his times of trouble. There was nothing the matter with him that a little extra love wouldn’t have cured. I don’t think he had enough love or understanding. He was very nice and sincere and sensitive, and we must remember that’s what he was.
@@decimated550
Bill Wyman said this and it makes sense to me. Brian Jones` erratic and destructive behavior could have been due to serious undiagnosed medical problems. One of Jones` out-of-wedlock daughters, now in her 30s, is quoted to the effect that she suffers from epileptic symptoms that cause fits and mood swings similar to those exhibited by the father she never knew. Sounds like your speaking about Keith Richards. Stones pianist and roadie Ian Stewart had to keep a list of airlines unwilling to let the guitarist aboard, and he later revealed that Richards was banned by Alitalia 'for staying in the restroom from Rome to London, punching that crazy Anita Pallenberg. Similar outbursts would recur throughout the couple's 12-year relationship. His drug addiction was so severe that the guitarist was charged five times during those years. You say Brian was beating women ?Anita Pallenberg treated him to an uninhibited crash course in sadomasochistic sex. They moved to a pad in Chelsea which was especially soundproofed, though not enough to muffle the crack of her whip. Did you read what George Harrison said about him and lots of UK musicians ? Brian Jones to me is the BEST. George Harrisons words, When I met [Brian Jones] I liked him quite a lot. He was a good fellow, you know. I got to know him very well, I think, and I felt very close to him; you know how it is with some people, you feel for them, feel near them. He was born February 28, 1943, and I was born on February 25, 1943, and he was with Mick and Keith and I was with John and Paul in the groups, so there was a sort of understanding between the two of us. The positions were similar, and I often seemed to meet him in his times of trouble. There was nothing the matter with him that a little extra love wouldn’t have cured. I don’t think he had enough love or understanding. He was very nice and sincere and sensitive, and we must remember that’s what he was.
Had there been no Brian Jones, there would be no Brian Jonestown Massacre.
@@etiennedegaulle3817 Have you heard 'Brian Jones' Bastard Son' by The Folk Devils?
@@etiennedegaulle3817 your not well in the head are you?
@@bingsinatra5283😅
I heard from a fan of Brian Jones that he had invented Kool-Aide, he showed Boy George how to dress and he taught Muddy Waters how to sing like a black man...
It's all in Paul Trynka's book. "The mystery Of Brian Jones's Drunkenness".
@@bingsinatra5283 No ... but I have heard the Temptations song, Papa Was A Rolling Stone..
Some say Brian wrote the coda for it.
I'm a fan of the early Rolling Stones, and that means when Brian Jones made essential musical contributions to the band. At that time you never knew how their new song would be. Which instruments would figure in them, which pre-world music vibe would be in it. I always knew that Brian Jones was the musical genius behind all that. As to drugs and all kind of rivalries, almost every group of these times was doing them.
Brian was the person that created the Rolling Stones in the beginning. He chose the music. He chose the name. He was the leader. He signed all the recording contracts, the management contracts, all kinds of things. He would pick up an autoharp or a flute or a glockenspiel or marimbas, and he would be able to do all of that kind of stuff.” Among the other instruments Jones played were the harmonica, sitar, organ, recorder, cello, trumpet, trombone, saxophone, oboe, and, of course, guitar. He made so many records successful because of that. Jones was in fact, the original public face of the band: the surliest and sauciest in press interviews, the most nattily dressed, the most lushly coiffed… and, most importantly, the most musically diverse. “I mean, he was brilliant musically in the early days.
I don’t care. Brian was unconscious with drugs.
@@SuperAnimelover100 Which makes his passing that much more tragic. He had all the talent to go to a higher level of musical excellence, and drugged it away. Even if he was murdered, his life at that time was committed to wasting away on drugs.
Sadly, Brian's drug fuelled life eventually took its toll as a useful band member. It also would have made it difficult for the band to tour in the USA.
@@1blastman
Brian seemed much happier afterwards. Alexis Korner visited him in late June 1969 and noted that "Jones was happier than he had ever been" and Brian had demoed a few of his own songs in the weeks before his death.
Fun fact, when Jethro Tull played at the Rolling Stone's Rock and Roll Circus, Tommy Iommi was playing lead guitar for Tull
That was recorded...he was just pretending to play live
Jethro Tull is a fairy with a flute 🪈!
Oh damn!!!! I need to be watch that
When your friend is spiraling out of control you abandon Him That is what Mick and Keith did and you can't tell me otherwise. He will always be my favorite Stone as well as Charlie & Bill.
What goes around comes around.
Brian repeatedly abandoned his own flesh and blood.
@@TheNobbynoonar
Tell that to his stiff upper lip parents that !
They should have formed their own band...They could have called it, Can't Write and Can't Sing..They would have been a big hit I'm sure....
I want to know why Mick and Keith took so long to abandon Jones. They waltzed him along for at least four years of drunken uselessness before they canned his sorry ass..
@@TheNobbynoonar Karma knows no bounds for a psychopath like Jones.
Brian's bastard children all had to grow up singing the Temptations song, "Papa Was a Rolling Stone".
He quit as much as he was fired. They parted ways because Jones chose drugs over life.
“Brian’s pioneering status as a musician has become steadily less obvious thanks to the very success of his mission. The blues and world music that he championed and dragged into the mainstream have become so ubiquitous that we all suffer a hindsight bias-we find it impossible to imagine what the world was like without this music. As counter-intuitive as it might seem, this is proof of Brian’s accomplishment.”-Sympathy for the Devil by Paul Trynka
Robert Johnson was the first member of the 27 Club. He died in 1938.
The 27 Club is such a mundane concept. With a little research on let's say "Dead Rock Stars" you can find the 28,29, 30,31 club. I see your point, but a list doesn't always have to formed
So not only did Jones NOT found the Rolling Stones but he did not even found the 27 club either...Ha ha ha ha ha.
@@williardbillmore5713 Nonsense BS. Brian started the Stones. Do better research.
@@ronnieron9912 You recite the common myth like an obedient fan, Ronnie. You need to take your own advice and truly do your own research.
The facts are that after failing to start his own band Brian looked up Keith and asked him if he and Ian could join Keith's band, the Blue Boys, and Keith agreed. Would you like to hear it from Brian?
The ‘Keith Richards’ club should be interesting. 🤪
To eke out my student grant I took a summer job that year as a deck chair collector in London's Royal Parks. My pitch was Victoria Tower Gardens. The Stones' concert was held in a part of Hyde Park called the Cockpit, also one of our deck chair pitches, that backed onto the Serpentine. The concert became a memorial to Jones. We saw a good deal of it stage-side and the remainder from a rowing boat floating on the Serpentine with a picnic hamper. Happy days.
Mick Jagger and Keith Richards both had their own legal woes due to their respective drug use. Jones was no saint, but neither were Jagger and Richards. The biggest problem with these three was battling egos.
no, the biggest problem is that mick and keith together are nothing short of evil. They way they treated Jones and the way they lie about him now. They forget there are people still around that know the real story.
Actually, Jagger wasn't a big druggie.
Uh no, the biggest problem was that Jones was no longer putting his work as a band member first nor taking anything serious. He was the only guy who kept missing practice and who our not keep it together.
When he died there was always a theory that Jagger and Richards had something to do with his drowning? Just like Robert Wagner watched why Natalie Wood drowned 🙈🙈😭😭😈😈😈
The biggest problem was that Brian was unconscious most of the time.
Poor Brian. Rehab could have helped him. He was the most talented.
Did he want to be helped though?
Talented what? Songs are where it counts.
@@LaughingStock_ You =Clueless.
@@LaughingStock_ "It’s a knack whether you can juggle or write a song. It’s not something that’s a spontaneous thing. What Brian did, and people seem to forget, is that Brian then would rule the studio. He would come up with how to fix these songs. They [Mick and Keith] would come up with a melody and lyrics and Brian would add not much more than color. What he did was absolutely extraordinary. He was like an alchemist taking raw matter and turning it into a magnificent, immortal substance.” - Stash Klossowski de Rola.
"In 1966, I witnessed, on numerous occasions, the remarkable spell Brian would cast while working in the recording studio. Mick and Keith would bring songs in, Brian would listen and effectively take charge, and everyone was in awe of him. He was a real perfectionist. While recording the recorder part in Ruby Tuesday he explained to me that he had to do it over again as he had been a quarter tone off tune."--Prince Stash Klossowski de Rola (artist and friend of the Stones) in Brian Jones: Butterfly in the Park.
Now everyone knows.
How can a recorder go out of tune?
@@williardbillmore5713 Stu says Keith only knew one way to play guitar but Brian knew more than Keith. Again, you are wrong, lol. czcams.com/video/7jVWNVhghMg/video.html
First, our favorite narrator again!
I don't think Jagger's answer was twisted at all. I think the group's animosity towards Jones (who probably was afflicted with bipolar disorder) was the inevitable result of his persistently contemptuous attitude towards the group.
I am curious as to why someone would hear what was essentially a deathbed confession and then not follow up right then and there. Makes me wonder if he said it at all, because the fewer the details, the harder it is to prove.
I agree with you, his wasn't twisted at all to me either, that's just a click bait that youtubers do
It was twisted. Totally cynical and heartless. May the souls of devils never know rest.
@@SuperAnimelover100 in her 30s? jones is dead 55 years
@@baxpiz1289
So true but the article was old. She was the last baby born.
Jagger's answer was honest there was nothing twisted about it.
He was the Boss! -- Inspiration, Founder, Teacher, and All Round Grand Master, Brian Jones made the Rolling Stones into the kind of band he wanted. They are still, to this day, his creation.
@@AtomicLobotomy Brian Jones' Rolling Stones, of course! Just like Sid Barrett's Pink Floyd. But you know, maybe not quite the same.
The problem with Brian tho was while he was a fine musician he couldn't write a song to save himself.
@@fredjones9750 Not true and debatable.
@@ronnieron9912 can you list all the brian jones written songs that made it on to recordings for the rolling stones then ? I'll wait.
@@fredjones9750 Marianne and Anita have both said that Brian wrote most of Ruby Tuesday.
According to one excellent biography, Frank Thoroughgood and his workers had been allowed far too much freedom by B.J. when renovating his home. Brian gave them pretty much the run of the place and they abused the privilege and treated the place like their personal squat! Brian was finally getting his act together and realising that things had gone too far, tried to wind-up the arrangement and get them out. Frank took exception to this and a huge bust-up ensued. F.T. on his deathbed confessed to drowning Brian.
Wow
I remember reading that account of the story!
yes, was going to say bout the death bed confession too
I bought that book, "Who Killed Christopher Robin?" (Brian's house used to belong to AA Milne and there was a statue of Christopher Robin there, Winnie the Pooh's friend.) Along with "True Adventures of the Rolling Stones", the most important book on the band
brians head was held under water until he drowned probably in a headlock
I was in Vancouver, BC visiting my aunt when Brian Jones died. My late older brother, about 23 years later, was invited over to Keith Richards' house, where he would spend much of the 90s and early 2000s. We saw the original lineup of The Stones perform live (NYC-1966). They performed 'Lady Jane' and ended their set with 'Paint It, Black'. If I remember correctly, my brother told me that the front door of Keith Richards' house is painted red (or, at least it was in the 90s). After my brother died, a message arrived at his memorial service from Keith Richards' business manager: A lady named Jane. I remember asking my brother how come he's wasn't in Keith Richards' autobiography ('Life', released in 2010). After all, he spent virtually a dozen years at his house. His reply was-"I heard all the stories that didn't make it into the book first hand.' For instance, Brian Jones was not the first one to be kicked out of The Stones. Keith was-in the very early days of the band. My brother claimed it was Keith's mother, Doris, who told that story in their presence!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@@SuperAnimelover100 yes, hmmm!
@@romanticandperky Wow 😮
@@Elmojones8 Yes, sure!
@@Elmojones8 What is it that everyone says is not true? My source is my now late older brother; a fine musician in his own right, who hung out with Keith Richards at his house for a dozen years or so. He heard a lot of stories from him. But, according to my brother (who I remember as a fairly truthful guy), it was Keith's Mom (or Mum, as the English say), Doris, who him the story of how, in the early days of The Stones, Mick and Brian kicked Keith out of the band (but changed their minds about it, of course).
Brian Jones was a true innovator!
Jones was playing "Bottleneck" Slide Guitar in the early 1960s which always fascinated me.
The great Alan Wilson from Canned Heat is also, sadly, a part of the 27 Club..
Blind Owl was Excellent and a Great Band also. A sad loss. RIP Alan.
All of the cast Dads army are all dead as well. It’s a curse.
Mick got Marianne, Brian got Anita. Nuff said. Even tough Keith looked like a wasted heroin zombie after a decade with her.
She was a witchypoo 🧙😈🔥
She wasn’t even very attractive. Wore too much makeup.
Perfectly logical statement from Jagger.
I can understand what he said, I was an egotistical idiot late teens early 20s. You have the trials of an unknown group that couldn't get spat on if you were on fire then all these people treating you like you are something special when it takes off, that's a huge dopamine rollercoaster ride, you are going to be a bit hostile to anyone who potentially threatens said rollercoaster ride.
Brian was my favorite member of the Stones. In my opinion, they were never the same after he died.
Didn't he used to beat up girls at the peak of his fame?
@@michaelmac1798 This isn't TMZ. Stick to the music.
Thank you for this.
It is very refreshing to see a video about a celebrity who had a sad end which is not sensationalist or lurid. Your handling of the facts and your respectful treatment of all the people involved does you credit.
It was also a very nicely put together film,. understated and tasteful.
I hope that you will continue to produce such worthy and informative films.
Regards,
Bob McGowan, (Not the Chair Circle!)
Didn't He Start, The Rolling Stones, Group, ORIGINALLY????!!!!
Yes he did but he was no match for the evil of jagger richards.
He may well have been the guy who started the band, but he couldn't handle his part once they were all up and running as a successful band, what were the other members meant to do, all leave because Brian could no longer hack it?
He sure was handsome. I tried to get my parents to let me go to the concert but they thought I was too young at 11 Yeats old. I did catch Steel Wheels in Vancouver though.
Ian Stewart started the band
@@CharliesTrousers-od3lt Yes! He And Ian!
Robert Johnson was the founding victim of the 27 club. That doesn’t make what happened to Brian Jones any less of a sad tragedy, and he may have been second, but he wasn’t first.
I agree that Charlie Watts was a classy man and I once read he regretted that Brian was thrown out of the group . Charlie Watts was the heart of The Rolling Stones and was a really decent guy ! RIP Charlie Watts - 🙏🏼 You will always be missed !
“Brian Jones was indeed the father of what we now regard as world music…Brian’s championing of ethnic players such as the Moroccan Master Musicians of Joujouka back in 1967 should be regarded as groundbreaking artistic development, portents of the future.”-John Phillpott, Blues in Britain
"We listened to the Stones' first EP, I Wanna Be Your Man, with Brian's remarkable solo. Charlie was sitting on the couch with his back to the window, the lights of Los Angeles below. Keith flopped besides him. 'What happened to Brian?' Charlie asked. 'He did himself in,' Keith said. 'He had to outdo everybody, do more. If everybody was taking a thousand mikes of acid, he'd take two thousand of STP. He did himself in.' Charlie nodded sadly. 'It's a shame,' he said. 'Brian could do that'--nodding toward the record player--'without even trying'."--The True Adventures of the Rolling Stones by Stanley Booth
Jones years were the best Stones years
They ended up like AC/DC without Bon Scott, or Pink Floyd without Syd Barret; repeating themselves ad nausea
Some observations, in no particular order. First is that Jones was clearly one of those people who was always going to plough his own furrow. A fine and wonderful thing, but there will always be a point beyond which it'll generate antipathy, and the more antipathy it generates the more some people are determined to carry on with that furrow. Drink and drugs exacerbate the situation, chronic substance abuse tends to lock a person more into themselves and rational objectivity goes down the tubes. That situation with Jones is a common one, notable similar examples are Syd Barrett getting the boot from Pink Floyd the year before, Sid Vicious ten years later would have been kicked out of the Pistols if they hadn't imploded, and latterly Anton Newcomb seems to be heading pretty much the same way, although I think he's more likely to be left by his bandmates (or maybe go solo) than be kicked.
Secondly, Jones' death will forever be shrouded in speculation. In general, when there are competing theories for the cause of an event the simplest explanation is usually the most likely, the further a theory is from that the more evidence will be required to support it. In this case the the most likely explanation is that Jones was just too mashed to keep his head above water and get out of the pool, there's plenty of evidence to support that and no evidence of murder, and according to Bill Wyman in 2002 Keylock subsequently denied that Thorogood had confessed. Make of it what you will, people will always believe what they want to believe.
Thirdly, the 27 club has been refuted by research, one study in 2011 found similar spikes at the ages of 25 and 32, another published in 2014 found that between 1950 and 2010 over two thirds as many more musicians had died at the age of 56 compared with 27 (2.2% vs 1.3%). A bar chart of age vs percentage published in The Conversation shows a familiar bell curve with 56 at its peak, albeit with fewer deaths before that age than after it, and over 30 ages with more deaths than those at age 27.
Finally, Jagger's comments in that Rolling Stone interview were a bit of a mix. On the one hand he admits that the other band members picked on Jones and that he (Jagger) was no angel in that regard, on the other he cites Jones' own behaviour as a justification for it (see my first point), and he also cites a contemporaneous lack of understanding of substance addiction as a factor. I have never bought Jagger's claim that contractual obligations prevented him from attending Jones' funeral, by 1969 he was big enough to take on United Artists over that and the public backlash against UA if they had taken action against Jagger for doing it would have hurt UA more than UA would have hurt Jagger. My own (highly personal) view is that Jagger's non-attendamce was largely a mixture of guilt and apathy but Jagger is sticking to his story and that's where it has to be left.
On the whole it's a sad but familiar tale and maybe, 55 years later, it's one that needs to be put to bed.
@mitabpraga7487 Why are you eager for it to be put to bed at any stage? There have been cold cases solved with evidence that propped up decades later. Maybe there is someone who is near and dear to Jones who would like to know, for sure, if possible.
@@MJ-hl1kk Re-read the last line. 1. The word "maybe" is a suggestion, it doesn't mean I'm eager.
2. It begins "On the whole". That means the entire story. It's nothing new, and it's certainly nothing unusual. People form a band. Over time things change. Some of its members might want the band to do different stuff, change this, try that. They find out the guy they thought would be a buddy forever is an asshole, whatever. Stuff happens. Disagreements, arguments, fist fights. Some get kicked out, some quit, or the band breaks up, and sometimes somebody dies. Sad and all, but that's the way it goes, it happens with bands all over the world every day. Newsworthy for a while sure, but as time goes on evrything that can be said about it has been said, there's a time to draw a line under it. Look at those muppets Gilmour and Waters. They've been feuding for 40 years, they're still at it and they're not going to stop until one of them finally goes to The Great Gig In The Sky. Quite why anybody gives a stuff about that anymore beats me, but some people are still banging on about it as if it's something important or even relevant.
3. To be specific about Jones' death I don't believe it should be considered a closed case, and that's not how things work in the UK. The police will always investigate any new evidence presented to them, they did so in 2009 after a journalist called Scott Jones gave them what he believed to be new information gleaned from several sources including people who were at the house at the time and from police files at the National Archive. The following year, at the conclusion of the review, Sussex Police stated that it would not be reopening the case and that "this has been thoroughly reviewed by Sussex Police's Crime Policy and Review Branch, but there is no new evidence to suggest that the coroner's original verdict of 'death by misadventure' was incorrect". The key word is evidence.
@@Elmojones8 You've clearly put a lot of thought and effort into your comment, for that alone it deserves a few likes. I hink we'd agree that Jones was very much a fish out of water. The 60s was a frenetic decade, the world changed a great deal, especially for the younger generation, in just a few short years. It's easy to imagine wanting or needing to be part of it, but overwhelmed by it at the same time. Pallenberg yes, bad news all round. Dunno about Dawn, but I think Anna Wohlin was on his side. All Jones wanted was what the rest of us want, to do his thing, love, and be loved. As you say, it could have been prevented with the right support. It came too late.
The night he died, well there may only be one person who knows what happened and he can't tell us. If there are any more some of them have joined Jones and the rest aren't going to say anything they haven't said before. The only sure thing is that we'll never know.
The history of the 27 Club is part of the history of urban mythit's evolved the same as any other. I think its impetus was that Jones, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison (along with Alan Wilson, Dickie Pride and Arlester Christian) all popped off in a little over two years of each other. It's nailed on that somebody is going to read something into that. After that, it's largely a mix of statistical mean and confirmation bias. Incidentally, you may be interested to know that Robert Johnson is no longer considered the founder. He was beaten to it by a couple of ragtime pianists, Louis Chauvin in 1908 and Alexandre Levy in 1892. Oh and Rupert Brooke in 1915, but he's a poet so I wouldn't know if that counts.
As for the 56 Club, I'd be interested to see a list. My own completely uneducated guess is that most of the artists in it would still have had active careers. Artists can't stop, it's not in their DNA. Not much in the way of argument I know, but it's the best I've got 🙂
Wrong on so many levels, lol
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1969 ???
They formed in the early 60s!
Jagger and Richards knew that Brian Jones had more talent than all of the other 3 put together. Jones was a great musician.
Nope nowhere near to being true
Yes he was a fine musician but he was a terrible songwriter. Jagger/richards songwriting partnership was what took the band forward.
"It’s a knack whether you can juggle or write a song. It’s not something that’s a spontaneous thing. What Brian did, and people seem to forget, is that Brian then would rule the studio. He would come up with how to fix these songs. They [Mick and Keith] would come up with a melody and lyrics and Brian would add not much more than color. What he did was absolutely extraordinary. He was like an alchemist taking raw matter and turning it into a magnificent, immortal substance.” - Stash Klossowski de Rola.
I hope I'm never held in judgement for the person I was in my twenties when I reach my eighties..... Some folks really need to check themselves.
Anita Pallenberg largely contributed to the demise of Brian Jones.
No, I hint it is clear that Brian had a type of personality disorder from a young age. Who knows why? Maybe somewhere in his childhood his needs were not fulfilled. In any case Anita and Brian’s relationship was not healthy but she was not directly responsible for his demise.
@@garethclark5489 Agreed, Brian Jones always seemed prone to being self-destructive and his drug abuse kicked things in high gear. Jones also seemed prone to self-pity and always thought someone else was to blame for his mistakes/f*** ups. Ultimately it was Jones' lack of self-control and reliability that got him booted out of the Rolling Stones.
Nonsense!...Anita left Jones fot Keith because Brian was a manipulative abuser and an asshole....Brian was well on his way to self destruction before he even met Palenberg.
@@garethclark5489 She totally contributed to it with her scheming and manipulation.
❤women always ruin everything. Yoko, journey, etc and many more. Women don’t care and want all the attention
I went to the same school in Cheltenham that Brian Jones had attended, 1970-75. Amazingly, none of us students had any idea that a Rolling Stone, the founder no less, was an alumnus; I only found out about 15 years ago. That was because there was no internet in the 70s, but also because Jones had been expelled from the school and was known to have gotten involved with "drugs", so his attendance was kept secret from us. The name of the school was Dean Close School.
Thanks for the info. Shame on the school.
@@SuperAnimelover100 To defend the school (it was a very good school!), this was early 70s and everyone was starting to worry a great deal about "drugs". Everyone thought that smoking a joint almost guaranteed that you'd soon be doing heroin.
They were wrong, but It's hard to blame them. They had no 'real world' data to draw from. And while I was there, 3 or 4 older boys _were_ expelled over drugs, so their worries weren't that dumb.
@@GeorgeSmiley77
I do understand you. The school or the city should recognize Brian. He had his faults but he was Brilliant. By early adolescence, Brian was exceptional scholastically; his IQ was a very high 135, in the genius range. But his musical ability and intelligence didn't keep him out of trouble. He was suspended from school for one week for leading a revolt against the prefects. :):)
@@SuperAnimelover100 Ha ha, I myself became a Level 2 (house, not the whole school) prefect in my last year, even though I got in a fair amount of trouble before that.
The other famous alumnus from that school was Francis Bacon, the Irish painter widely considered Britain's finest painter of the 20th century. The reason we didn't know about him was that he was a very open homosexual, and the school was a Christian school. He was also very avant-garde, which might also have counted against him.
@@SuperAnimelover100
iromy is?
Alot of intellectual figures were junkies
I appreciated a fairly complete account of Brian Jones’ story.
Rolling Stones bassist Bill Wyman who was the closest to Brian Jones all along speculates in his autobiography "Stone Alone" that Brian Jones may have been epileptic and perhaps a seizure overcame him in that pool that fateful night. This speculation is based on a finding that one of Jones' children, a daughter has an epilepsy diagnosis and the girl's mother has no family history of it.
It's possible he had epilepsy but that wouldn't affect his children. Both my wife and I have epilepsy and our children had a 3 percent chance of getting it. Neither one do. With just one parent having it, the odds are less than 1 percent
At least he and the girlfriends had the maturity to allow the babies to be adopted. Those babies probably thrived.
Very true.
I always liked Zeppelin, The Who, Ten Years After and Foghat much more than the Stones from the English bands. Enjoyed Floyd too.
Feel bad for Brians rise and demise and hope he came back as a better human and musician.
My fav of the 60s lot has to be the Doors followed by the Who and Zep. Love later Floyd and never really liked the Stones or the Beatles!
Brian jones was the hottest stone .... jagger wasnt going to handle that
Did Jagger have him offed?
WTH?
You told the TRUTH !!
@@alukuhito❤I believe him and Richards were in on it
Actually, Jagger was quite sympathetic towards Brian. He understood that Brian was the big attraction to the female fans, and his presence sold a lot of concert tickets. He also appreciated Brian's role in the studio as a sort of arranger. Even Oldham said that it was often Brian's contributions in the studio that "pulled the whole song together". It was Keith who really hated Brian, because on some level Brian never respected Keith as a musician. Anita was essentially an above-average-looking groupie, who chased the Kinks around before meeting Brian. There's a video of a Kinks live show on CZcams that shows Anita desperately flirting with Ray Davies, long before she met the Stones.
You don't get someone "accidentally" pregnant. And then do it again.
It takes two to tango.
He forgot to use a condom.
Y?!!! You can’t make two ✌️mistakes? 😮…. lol 😂…..
Never let your little head rule your big head boys !
Correct, always men's fault for everything when it comes to women... apparently.
I think Jagger's comments concerning Brian Jones are honest and fair.
Very informative and interesting! I have followed the Stones since their records came out in America and got to see them live 3 times! I know Brian was a very talented musician and it's so sad he was so yroubled! GBY. Jim
And he was the best looking of the bunch.
I'll bet he looks good now, huh?
Dont believe he ended up in pool by accident..was his band he named them and was best musician.
no, he may have been creative but he didn't put out the classic hits. he noodled around with exotic insttruments. he fell apart when his girlfriend ran off
Brian was definitely the most talented stone!!✊🇨🇦
He added a lot of color
Not songwriting wise though 😮…. People somehow seem to forget about that one…..
@@richarddelgado2723 people say that to be charitable, but it is wrong. maybe he made some cool sounds as elements in songs, but he was no composer, just a experimenter.
@@decimated550 He was an arranger, which supposed music fans on the Internet don't seem to understand. Imagine thinking any member of the Stones requires "charity."
@@richarddelgado2723 LOL More like it's all haters seem to cling on to.
Excellent work. Thank you.
Absolutely fantastic have a wonderful day also a fantastic weekend ❤😊
Best narrator.
Don't forget Ian Stewart, He as well started the Rolling Stones !!!!
Ian Stewart is important too, but Brian Jones started the Rolling Stones. No one else.
@@TheaterPup
You hit a Grand Slam !!! :)
Mick jagger was very honest about his treatment of Brian Jones. Contrary to public belief, he has always been a gentleman in person.
I have it from the very reliable sources of the ghost of Paul Trynka's grandmother, Bill Wyman's ten year old wife and Marianne Faithful's heroin dealer that they all saw Brian Jones and Barrett Strong writing the words and music for the Temptations 1972 hit record, Papa Was A Rolling Stone on July 2nd 1969 the night before his pool party at Crotchford Farm and that he totally should have gotten co-writing copyright credit for it.
I totally believe it.
Brian was totally a genius and he alone founded the 27 club..
Brian Jones WAS the heart and soul of the Rolling Stones. The Stones were at their greatest 1963-69, before the rot set in.
See the movie "Stoned." It is a bio of Brian Jones.
Good movie....
Jones was murdered. Thorogood and an accomplice drowned him in the pool. The two men held him down in the pool and drowned him. It was like a Randy Quaid star whackers mafia hit. Jones was still standing over an income stream from the Rolling Stones, and whatever other reasons, and there was a hit called on him.
They used to call it fishing death. You fish and drink all day on a boat then jump into the cold lake....heart attack formula.
Wonder what Brian would think of his geriatric band mates dancing around and trying to twist their arthritic fingers in to chord shapes now...
He would cry. watch the geriatrics with the sound muted. I did this with Steels Wheels (circa 1990), very funny even back then..
Now they are a band of Bidens prancing about on stage... the magic of modern VIP medicine.
Twenty years is prob a good run for a band doing tours, then graceful retirement and mentoring roles.
@@joefish6091clearly they’re still going cuz they love it. When you get old and decide to stand still you fade away faster.
@@walkthenerd6948
yea but continuing to do the same shit you did for more than ten years gets stale very quick.
Professional emtertainment requires craft chamge every decade.
@@joefish6091
this. Fifteen years is a good run for band. After that, go solo
They wanted to tour in America and Brian couldn't go.
Those early Stones singles wouldn't have had the memorable qualities that they had without Jones's instrumental contributions. He also was almost singlehandedly responsible for their blues/rock n' Roll aesthetic. He was a mess but also could've been helped.
You’re my favorite narrator!
Mick Taylor made the difference. Brilliant
Agree, easily the most musically creative period in the Stones , inmo anyway.
And was smart enough to get out when drugs were being used a lot. He didn’t want to get caught up like Keith and mick.
Imagine being able to pick up any instrument and play.
Obviously Brian was cursed.
At least both Charlie Watts and Bill Wyman (plus Ian Stewart) were the only Stones to attend Brian's funeral, Keith was recording in the studio (in an interview) and his reason for not attending was because he didn't want to get caught in a "circus atmosphere" I believe (I may be wrong) Mick actually wanted to come but he was in Australia filming "Ned Kelly" and the producers told Mick (apparently) he could not go because it would've costed money for each delay but Mick and Marianne did send flowers. One book had mentioned that both Keith and Anita Pallenberg were at the funeral when they weren't and the same with newcomer Mick Taylor who stated that he never went to the funeral, and that he has never met Brian Jones. (Mick Taylor did say he had seen Brian perform)
Very informative! Good presentation
Jagger’s reply was not twisted at all. Click bait once again…
Pretty sure Jones was a very difficult person to have around, and then there was the money thing. He was essentially useless by the end. I wouldn't be surprised if he was rubbed out. It happens.
No Expectations and Street Fighting Man says he wasn't useless.
You forgot Gram Parsons and Pigpen from the Grateful Dead in the 27 club
Many thing I wasn't aware of till I watched this video.
The dude doesn’t show up for rehearsals and sessions, and when he does turn up he’s often too drugged-up to play. What can you do but throw him out of the band?
Same happened with Syd Barrett and Pink Floyd.
Robert Johnson is the founding memder of the 27 Club in 1938...
Thanks so informative
Technically, Robert Johnson is the first member of the 27 club.
Imagine how messed up your life must be to be too wasted to be in the Rolling Stones.
Only Keith the heavy drug user, particularly after Brian died. The others other than a little coke and weed tight professionals. Wouldn't be where they are otherwise.
@@steveconnMick Taylor was hooked on heroin. He left the band to save his life & his marriage.
@@bingsinatra5283and Ronnie was a crack head in the early 80’s
Even Charlie said Brian was an asshole.
Yes he did, but he put it in a very delicate, Charlie way: “…the trouble with Brian is that he wasn’t very nice…”. Class act. Most of the musicians who have commented on this video have known a Brian or two over the years and they’re always a pain in the arse!!!
@cassandraunheeded Of all the guys in the band, Bill Wyman was probably closest to Brian Jones. In his book, Stone Alone, even Bill discussed the difficulties they had with Brian. Brian apparently could be sweet and charming and then turn around and be a total jerk. Brian actually once put a cigarette out on the back of Bill's hand, so Bill said.
Bill Wyman is in contact with one of Brian Jones' adult children, a daughter, I believe. This person has a seizure disorder that no one else in her known family has. The disorder is apparently hereditary, and the daughter believes that she got it from her father, Brian Jones. Bill said in his book that this condition might have led to Brian's drug and alcohol use and at least some of his erratic behavior.
Charlie said worse about Bowie
@@Reprodestruxion Bowie’s a Capricorn. They’re all assholes.
Charlie's quotes about Brian are far more nuanced that your pointless comment.
Good Day. Excellent and Educational Video. Brian was a Great Musician.
I've seen the STONES twice. 1968 & 1996. A Sad Ending. RIP Brian
Thank You & Best Regards
The 27th birthday is the beginning of the Saturn Return which longs for 2 1/2 years. During this period, people change from young to mature… or dead!
thats more a myth.
From personal experience, alot of people in their thirties amd forties are still adolescent.
Besides, back in the old days, adulthood began at thirteen.
We started extending childhood by the late eighteenth century.
Ain't no Stones without Brian Jones!
It's not like Jagger and Richards were sitting in the house waiting for a call. They were active in a group in London and hooked up with Brian. Yes, he was important in the start, but to claim that he was the group is stupid. Jagger and Richards wrote the songs, Brian could not write to save his life. He did add color to the songs, but he did not write the lyrics or the melodies. The same with Mick Taylor, what did he do after he left the band.
@@msisles6278 Brian Jones was very talented in that he could play any instrument. I believe that the Stones had more hits between 1963-1969 with Jones than in any 6 year period with Mick Taylor or Ron Wood.
Perhaps the most typical Rolling Stones song is Emotional Rescue. That was recorded WAY after Jones died.
Maybe, but the best albums were without Jones. He is barely on Beggars and Let it Bleed. He was not a musical genius, he was good at playing multiple instruments, but did not master them
@@msisles6278 I would agree to a point. The RS still had more hits and were more diverse musically in the 6 years with Brian Jones than in any 6 year period with Mick Taylor or Ron Wood.
If you go with enthusiasm through the personal lives of your idols in any field, you'll later discover it would be better to get the art without knowing the rest.
Why do people consistently mention Brian Jones as "the first member of the 27 club" when it was obviously Robert Johnson who began the 27 club? I just don't get that at all. They didn't recognize Robert Johnson for years as the master musician he was, and they still recognize the correlation of him being THE founding member of the 27 club, not that it's something you'd really want to be known for admittedly.
the group started in 62 not 69. I have album from 65
just goes to show, we don't always get what we want
I always think the Brian Jones years were the best years for Rolling Stones music. Yes, the man had some really bad characteristics. Getting girls pregnant and trying to wriggle out of responsibilities. For one who founded the group and got them going, it was pretty mean of the band how they treated Brian, especially Mick and Keith, for not turning up for the funeral. Mick could have postponed his trip to Australia. If that quote from Mick was true about Brian making himself a target, he sounds so callous and heartless. Brian should have acted on the advice of John Lennon, who told him at the Rock and Roll circus to leave the stones and set up his own band rather than wait to be sacked. Then, sort himself out first, get therapy, go to rehab, anything to get off those drugs because he could not play his instruments properly while intoxicated. However, he was far too reckless. All the same, the other stones could have helped him rather than pick on him. Being young, then, was no excuse. They were in their 20s, they were not teenagers!
Therapy and rehab were not what they are today. The Stones tend to sound rather callous in interviews in general, that's just how they are. I don't think it's personal to Brian.
All within a month, my opinion of Mick has changed twice. First, I heard he often went to the handicap section of concerts, because wheelchairs didn't have seating on a lot of arenas in those days, and Mick gave out T-Shirts and 8 Tracks and CD's. One of his roadies admitted it. Then I hear this, and I have met a lot of crappy rich people in business. They didn't get to the top by being a nice guy.
But he had great hair!
Oh my God he did !! Brian looked like a true Prince !! :)
Brian was voted as having the best hair style ever, for his look around March 1966/Aftermath.
Jealousy of the highest order. Brian was the genius of the RS.
@@gerade-aus just a muso
@RoyBennett-dz2cq He was a virtuoso. Marimba, sitar, dulcimer, keyboards, guitar, bass fiddle, flute. He played them all on the most iconic of classic RS tracks. MJ and KRichard were supremely jealous of his raw talent.
Really?
Most of my favourite Stones albums were recorded after Brian Jones’s death.
@@TheNobbynoonar likewise who doesn't love " she so cold*
@@RoyBennett-dz2cq Misguided comment.
Loved early Stones! So good!
Brian was a musical genius. He could play so many instruments. He did get heavily into drugs. Missed studio sessions or showed up wasted.
my best mates's mum was a dancer on "Ready Steady Go" when the Stones appeared in '64. She said Jagger had terribly bad BO. She was also a model and worked for marketing companies from 63-69, meeting and guiding celebs around London. This 80 year old woman has SO many stories!
What a cool history your mom has. I'm not surprised about the B.O. I always thought he would have bad breath as well.
Haaaaaaaaaaaa! I believe it
@@RobertaReal7980
Funky !
It was a wild time❤
What was so "twisted" about Jagger's response? It seems quite understandable to me.
To be fair, none of the Stones understood addiction then & “rehab” wasn’t in the lexicon. This goes for all of their contemporaries as well. The best they could come up with was “Man, you should stop”. Jones’ behavior & appearance suffered so much from his excess that no one wanted his presence. Look at his face on the “Between The Buttons” album. Look at how zombified he looks in the “Rock & Roll Circus” footage. But he couldn’t stop. As it turned out, losing Brian was the best thing that ever happened to the Stones. Mick Taylor steps in & for the next 5 years the Stones had their greatest productivity. All the Stones have stated they’d wished they’d handled Jones differently but they were simply too young & ignorant.
Rubbish comment.
Brian Jones made The Rolling Stones great. Just listen to their early albums. As a person maybe he was a jerk. All the different sounds you hear on the early tracks are him playing a multitude of instruments. Yes he was a genius.
The band started in 1962 ,
The band had its first row when Brian Jones was on the phone setting up a gig. Jones realized that they needed a name. Looking around, he saw a Sheb Wooley record and said the band was The Purple People Eaters. Keith Richards (later Keith Richard then still later Keith Richards) objected and a fight broke out. After scuffling for several minutes, the band members voted and picked Rollin’ Stones (later, The Rolling Stones then The Stones, then tentatively Mick Jagger and His Sidemen [which Charlie Watts vetoed]). Jones (who was always Jones except for the several birth certificates that omitted his name entirely) never forgave the others but eventually took credit for founding and naming the band.
Nonsense, lol
Oh my god this is such a tedious topic. Yes, Brian Jones was a musical genius and he started the band. He also beat up women and developed drug habits that impeded his contribution to the band and would have made it impossible for the band to travel. He screwed himself as all addicts do. And as for who went to the funeral… sometimes you don’t know what to do. If Mick and Keith had shown up, it would have been all about them, not Brian. The guy has been dead for 55 years. Let him rest.
Do you feel self righteous enough yet?
If he said he done him…..dosent that imply he charged him too much for the building work ? Lets face it a lot of traders do over rich people..
Never should have become
Involved with them in the first
Place!
He’d already fathered 4 kids by the time he was 20 and paid no support. Brian has been glorified as a golden boy. He wasn’t built for the long haul. He was very intelligent and talented but had issues. And the dope made it worse. It’s very sad. Kinda like Syd Barrett or Peter Greene. I’ve been a fan since 1967 and I always remember Brian always seemed fragile to me as a kid. He could be mean too apparently. But none of the back then knew squat about mental illness or drug addition ( of which they were basically rewriting the book.) it was a long time ago and it was really a shame. Cheers from Montreal