Brian JONES: Bill WYMAN "I DON'T Care What You Say About MiCK & KEiTH..!"
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- čas přidán 29. 03. 2024
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Bill Wyman, former bassist for the Rolling Stones, has shed light on Brian Jones' under-appreciated role in the band's formation. In a recent interview, Wyman emphasized Jones' significance as the driving force behind the Stones' early sound and direction.
Wyman acknowledges the enduring fame of Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, but argues, "Brian was the creator of The Rolling Stones. I don't care what you say about Mick and Keith. "He highlights how Jones' vision for a blues-oriented band was unique in England at the time, and credits him with naming the band and securing their initial gigs.
Wyman describes Jones as the one who actively sought out opportunities, stating, "Brian wrote to music papers and jazz papers about the Stones and about blues and things like that. So it was his band, really."
This perspective challenges the common narrative that solely focuses on Jagger and Richards as the creative core of the Rolling Stones. While their songwriting partnership undeniably shaped the band's later success, Wyman's remarks ensure Brian Jones receives credit for his foundational role.
It's important to note that Wyman's relationship with Jones was complex. He acknowledges a "love-hate" dynamic, but emphasizes his belief that Jones deserves recognition as the architect of the Rolling Stones.
Sources & References:
- Brian Jones and The Stones 2023 (BBC Two)
- Wikipedia
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I love Bill's loyalty to Brian, no matter what certain people in this comments section say.
Sour Grapes... Mick and Keith Made Bill Rich
@@user-tq2rd5gc2bbullshit,it was Brian did you not hear what Bill said or are you deaf as well as being dumb
That‘s not the reason why Bill is loyal to Brian. Some people are slaves to money, but Bill is a man of Character.
@@Der_hermetische_Arzt BRian had low character but played an important artistic role to the founding stones but Note that Mick and Keith wrote the songs that defined the Stones
@@Der_hermetische_Arztvery correct 👍
I've always been partial to the early stuff with Brian. Much deeper😮 more meaningful textures, musically. 😊
Right ON!
Apart for Charlie Watts, I think there is a consensus about BJ being the best musician of the group. I once had a bandmate like that: You just gave the man any instrument, no matter how exotic, and he'd ended up playing it like a pro after a 5 minutes exploration. I guess BJ must have been one of these.
It's about time BRIAN JONES had defense from an original Rolling Stone. Thank you to Bill Wyman
Bill was NOT an original Rolling Stone. The first bass player for the Stones was Dick Taylor ...Wyman was not even in the band until almost 1963. He did not even know them when Brian joined Keith's band in April 62. everything he says Brian did in the early days is pure fiction.
Look it up ...I'm telling the truth..
@@GuitarMatt I don't understand what that last bit was about, Matt, But Bill made up some ridiculous claims about what Brian did in the early Stones when Bill wasn't even there.
Brian did Not found the band.
@GuitarMatt Willie Bull More aka The ANTI-Brian! has No Idea who Wyman knew, or what, or when? just because Wyman wasn't officially in the Band until Dec. 7 1962, and to Correct WB/Keith Richards? Mr. Omniscient The Stones were formed on July 12, 1962! not April of 62 (I did look it Up! Willie Billy/Bully! from several sources) So Wyman being in The Band 5 months later means, he didn't know any of the several people (from the London Blues Club Venues) involved in these things? Really? most likely Bill was acquainted with most of the Characters integral in the Beginnings of The Stones Keith, Mick, Brian, Ian Stewart, Dick Taylor, Tony Chapman etc. Tony was The Stones first drummer in Mid 62 he told Bill The Stones needed a Bass player, Charlie Watts was offered the job in 62 but initially turned it down but later accepted and became The Stones Permanant Drummer in Jan. of 63 So I guess Willard would say Charlie had No idea either as to who, or how the Stones became The Stones? (how Brian was their spokesman, Promoted them, Booked The Gigs, handled the money etc.) since he wasn't an official member until about 6 months after their July 12th 62 formation. Not Bloody likely he, and Especially Bill weren't well aware of what went on.
WB Loves to say "Brian Never wrote anything whatsoever! Not even 1 song! and had virtually no creativity, or really any significant musical skills other than repeating the 2 same notes. Brian could Only follow what Keith had written for him, and just what he was directed by KR to do, if Brian was sober enough to understand?" How Absurd, What an Arrogant Hateful Disturbed, Unhinged OCD Clown Willard is! And he likes to call everyone who doesn't agree with him 100% A Liar! Well hes The Big LIAR! he never mentions Brian writing The Complete Original Soundtrack to The Movie A Degree of Murder! which went to the Cannes Film Festival in which Brians German Girlfriend Anita Pallenberg Starred in, Brian playing most of the Instruments, also Featuring a small part by Jimmy Page with his Violin Bow on Electric Guitar before he used it (in the Yardbirds, and latter Zepelin on the Dazed and Confused song) Also Ian Stewart played some piano on the Project. Jimmy said "It was a real Thrill to work with Brian Jones because He was such a Creative Musician" And also Keith Richards pf all people said "for a project that someone never tried before to write a whole piece of music for a film it was good" Brian actually wrote 4-5 songs The Stones even recorded but never released "Wake Up In The Morning" "Sure I do" "I Want You To Know" "Dust My Pyramids" and Lyrics to "Thank You For Being There" But Brian who was kind of a tortured soul, on one hand quite cold, selfish, and cruel, but also very shy, sensitive, and paranoid. Were the songs any good? maybe who knows? But it Proves Willard T. Rat a Liar!
@@tomwheeler6760 Oh, WOW, you are such a GENIUS (coming from a 1973 kid). Hey, DORK,. I was listening to the Stones as early as the early eighties as a little kid. Go pop your PIGEON CHEST around someone else, you POSEUR!
@@tomwheeler6760 Brian knew that he would never go anywhere alone . He needed Mick and Keith. They were the hottest performers around at the time so he joined their band The blue Boys.
He spent the rest of his career as a poser.
Bless you Bill. ❤
Bill is a liar.
@@williardbillmore5713you are the liar. Seek professional help. It’s obvious you need it.
@@williardbillmore5713 No, he told the truth. Let's move on.
@@stevebrothers9470 No. I have a much better idea. Let's agree that Bill is just repeating the lies that that egocentric narcissist Brian told him about how the band started and we can move on from there.
@@stevebrothers9470 this Willard the rat seems to think it all happened with just the four of them isolated on a remote desert island or something. Like Wyman never spoke to all the other musicians in that community that watched it all happen. Like he never spoke with even the other band members. One guy said he not only lives under the bridge, he owns it.
Brian Jones was such a talent, too bad they didn’t appreciate him more in the band!
Sadly his life ended, when he could’ve just created another band. He could’ve been in just about any group, on the level of Jimmy page.
Rest in peace, Brian! 🙏
Too bad Keith stole his girl
Sadly, excellent musicians that can't write songs are a dime a dozen. Sure, being a visionary and having great studio ideas can help, but ultimately it is the writers who forms and lead, some of them unwillingly, successful RnR bands.
Brian's contributions to the early hits were often what I remembered.
Those are the very contributions that created the mystique that has taken them into 2024
Great band don't get me wrong but be real about what's real.
They certainly added the unforgettable flavor to some of their best songs.
@@user-si7tg4ft1t You Can't Handle The Real!!
Exactly. He was what made them interesting early on
Bill Wyman is the official historical expert in all things Stones.
Not after 1993
Always enjoy hearing what Bill has to say.
Like Syd Barrett in Pink Floyd and Peter Green in Fleetwood Mac, Brian, Syd & Peter where the creators and original leaders of the bands only for whatever reason for them to lose their grip and fade away.
Glad Bill is speaking up for Brian.
You are wrong. The Rolling Stones were created by Mick and keith. Brian joined THEIR band. Brian created NOTHING.
They were gifted musicians but not gifted businessmen or backstabbers. After they got the money machines rolling they were pushed aside or lost their minds.
Pæease don't compare Brian Jones to Peter Green. Greeny was a blues guitar virtuoso, who wrote songs, had a great blues voice and did lead a band!!
And like all 3, the band's most enduring music was created after their departure
@@thomasjensen3214 I’m not comparing them.
Bravo Brian Jones 👏👏 You are the BEST of the Best 🙏🙏 The original Golden Stone!! With the brilliant talents !!!!!🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Recording with Brian Jones, adding all of the instrumentation that made the tapestry work so well was what put the Rolling Stones on the map
You got that right ! :)
Yes this about Brian Jones is true. If there was something off menu. Generally it is someone outside the bands ider. The acts were designated in the instruments they played and the dress was uniform code. I'm not sure the Beatles broke out this way so early. I am 60 plus I am totally influenced by pop. The stones were it so were the Beatles.
Thank You for telling us Mr Wyman. Although I have to say, at 63 years young as I am. I have never bought a Stones record. But after this I might. I really liked when Brian played the sitar. Thank Bill, may all good things come your way.
The best one from the Brian era was Flowers.
The Jones stones were the best stones. Mick Taylor dod a pretty good job too, but when Taylor left the great stones were over in my opinion. But Jones really knew how to make a song sound special and Mick and Keith never give him any credit .Same for Mick Taylor
Taylor Wyman and Jones were all credited for the songs that they wrote. In Brian's case the number of them was ZERO
I think when it comes to musicianship, Mick Taylor was the most talented Rolling Stone guitarist ever. I don’t think that’s really an argument.
@@billhorstkamp98 Not many would argue with your assessment, Bill.
The Stones popularity and success soared just after they rid themselves of Jones and hired a real creative and talented guitarist.
Unbelievably though there are still some Saint Jones worshipers who will try to tell you that their drunken idol with the fluffy blonde hair was a better musician...Ha ha ha ha ha
They can be a funny lot...
The Taylor years ....nothing more has to be said.
@@neh60 Love the Taylor Stones too but after that the great Stones were over, and if you read Keiths book, he gives no credit to anyone.
Brian Jones’s was after real authentic blues he was a perfectionist… Dylan called one of best folk blues guitarist he’d heard… good enough for me!
I second it, bluecheer.
Jimmy Page said he was a brilliant musician. The video is on here.
@@diehard-schenker-fan7233
Jimmy Page told the TRUTH !!
Jones was the swagmeister 3000. Great documentary with clips of Brian interviews I’ve never seen. And this is grand of Bill Wyman to call out the very important contributions of Brian’a creation of the group, their sound, songs and promotion. Kudos to both the video creator, and to Billy Wyman.
"Brian was a brilliant, fluent multi-instrumentalist, he was the one who founded the Rolling Stones and he had the creative vision that helped them to evolve organically from a mop-top blues-pop group into the mystical rock gods they became--something that many people today might not realise."--Mick Fleetwood
Mick and Keith founded the Blue Boys with Dick Taylor, shortly after their chance encounter on platform #2 at the Dartford train station in October of 61. The Blue Boys BECAME the Rolling Stones after Brian Joined the Blue Boys and they agreed to change their name.
The only group that Brian founded was the 27 Club.
Interviewer--- What were you doing before you joined? ( The band)
Brian---"um well I was just sort of bumming around waiting for something to happen really. I had quite a few jobs and uh I was trying to get a band going but it was unsuccessful until I met up with Mick and Keith"
Brian Jones explaining to an interviewer about not being able to start a band and instead joining Keith's band, The Blue Boys.
@@williardbillmore5713 Lol actually Robert Johnson was the Founding Member of the so called 27 Club, I think you are the Only Semi living member of that Club WilLARD
@@tomwheeler6760
That is true, Johnson was the first well known musician to die at the tender age of 27... But Brian's death marked the first time it was called the 27 club especially when Hendrix Joplin and Morrison died shortly after him.
Fun fact; "King of the Delta Blues" Robert Johnson's recording career lasted only seven months.
It has been said that Johnson was murdered by the husband of one of his many mistresses. with poisoned whisky.
Johnson, Jones, Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison and Winehouse all were big whiskey drinkers.
I am only ten years shy of living three times longer than they did. I am 71.
I don't drink whiskey.
@@williardbillmore5713The so called 27 club if we must be vulgar, was initiated by a REAL bluesman, Robert Johnson in 1938.
Jones my favoite Stone
Excellent tribute to Brian Jones. Apparently Brian had subtle talent. He could create riffs, melodies and original supporting touches that made a composition so strong. Mick was an explosion----a performing powerhouse.
Jones never had an original musical idea in his entire career. Jones was a copyist.
@@williardbillmore5713 Willie the Rat BullMore OCD Much!
Every riff that Brian ever played in a Jagger / Richards song was written by The riff master Keith Richards as an intrinsic parts of the songs he conceived and wrote.
Brian had no creative imagination whatsoever. He could take direction pretty well when he was sober though..
He wrote Ruby Tuesday and never got credit.
@@jamesbowen8960 True
Brian's contribution to Ruby Tuesday makes that song a classic. But Alexis Korner's Blues Incorporated was active in London in 1961.
Ruby whatever was 66.
@@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe Recorded November 66. Released January 67
Very much appreciated. 🦉🎶🌝
🎶Prince Jones🎶
💕🕯️ 🌌 RIP🎶
Frontman extraordinaire = Mick
Writing phenomena = Keith and Mick
Masterful musician and artistic genius = Brian
I actually love the early blues tunes they performed and recorded. Little Red Rooster was awesome as was King Bee.
For me, there are three distinct entities for the band. There is The Rolling Stones, with Brian Jones, The Stones, with Mick Taylor, and early on with Ronnie Wood, and Stones and Friends, up to the present era. They all had something, but the original band had the most diverse and inventive material, much of that thanks to Brian's ability to color their songs through a variety of musical sounds and instruments. Bill Wyman remains the one member of the surviving members who not only knows the truth about the band but acknowledges it publically. Losing Bill also altered the band's sound immensely and not in a particularly positive way.
Bill was not a member of the early Stones He was not there when he says Brian founded the Stones. He tells whooper lies about what happened at a time when he didn't even know them.
@@williardbillmore5713 Is that you Millard Fillmore? lol
@@tomwheeler6760
Congratulations, Tom...You have figured out the president who is the origin of my screen eponym.
No one else has.
I think the best version of the stones was with Mick Taylor as lead guitarist
@@williardbillmore5713 no not true lol I knew😊
Good on you bill
Yes ! :)
Thank you, this is so interesting to finally hear Bills voice, I love his 🇬🇧 accent, he and his fantastic bass playing were always in the background on vids, the bass is my favorite instrument.
Keith played bass on Sympathy for the Devil, Street Fighting Man, Stray Cat Blues & Jumpin’ Jack Flash. A favorite band & Keith is my best-loved member.
R.I.P. Brian Jones🤍🤍🤍
Bill wasn't the best bass player...Hell, Bill wasn't even the best bass player in the Rolling Stones.
@@williardbillmore5713 John Lennon was asked is Ringo The Worlds Best Rock drummer? Lennon said "Ringo isn't even the Best drummer in the Beatles" (referring to Paul of course)
@@tomwheeler6760
And I was referring to Keith...
...Of course...
In many of their biggest hits Keith would know exactly what the song needed for a bass line...Bill would often not be feeling it and he would say to Keith. Well why don't you just do it yourself.
Keith always kept his own Fender Precision bass at hand in the studio and he often would...nailing the perfect bass part for the song.
@@williardbillmore5713 Right I got it, I was aware that Keith was a good Bass player. At one point as you may well be aware of there was a possibility? slight probably? of John Lennon, Eric Clapton, Mitch Mitchell, and Keith on Bass forming a Ban called The Dirty Mac.
@@tomwheeler6760 It was a one off performance in the TV special that never aired put on by the Rolling Stones called The Rock and Roll circus.
TheDirty Mac played the Beatles, Yer Blues and then much caterwauling by Yoko Ono
Fun fact The name Dirty Mac was a take off on the band Fleetwood Mac.
Here is a link to the CZcams of that supergroup, The Dirty Mac.
czcams.com/video/JeFwaWFTGYU/video.html
There's a great book by Paul Trynka called Sympathy for the Devil about Brian and how brilliant a musician he was and so versatile. Recommended to read.
Not much that's new here. I'm sure that anyone who's followed the Stones since their beginnings knows how important Brian's contributions were to the original band. Of course, there are plenty of Stones fans who only know them as post-70-year-old geezers.
I Thoroughly Agree.....Brian was the Foundation Stone of the Rollers ...big fan since buying my first vinals in the 60's ... without him R.S.s wouldn't have existed.......true that
Ich wünsche hier allen Musikfreunden schöne Ostertage 🐇🐑🌿☀...
Das Gleiche gilt für dich und deine Familie, Wilma.
'No Jones, No Stones' as simple as that.
No Jones= much better Stones. They had their best success just after Brian left the band.
BTW the Rolling Stones were founded by Mick and Keith. Brian joined their band.
@@williardbillmore5713 I dont agree mate, but there you are. Each to his own. Amazingly good band giving me such wonderful memories when a young teen!
@@rowley1950 Same here... But they could have done better if they hadn't chosen a malignant narcissist, psychopathic drunk as their second guitarist.
@rowley1950 If Brian had lived he might have formed another Band called The Rolling Jones! or The Trolling Stones!
@@tomwheeler6760 That would have been really funny...
But it just wasn't in the cards.
Brian could not have lived much longer than he did.
His heart, liver and lungs were too far too damaged and diseased from nearly a decade of alcohol and drug abuse. At autopsy his liver was found to be twice it's normal size.
Eversince he was number ONE for me. A real shock when he died. I am a follower since the begining.
When Brian passed away, i stopped with the Stones. Brian had soul.
I don’t understand why people still try to debate this. It was Brian who placed the ad to start a band. They responded to his ad. Stu was the first. He met mick and Keith and much agreed to come along with Keith. End of story it was Brian who was the catalyst. Not saying mick and Keith wouldn’t have started a band but it wouldn’t have been this exact combination. Brian Jones named it he band as well. These are facts that can’t be debated. He chose the music he signed the contracts he got the gigs etc. it’s not diminishing Mick and Keith at all it’s just asking to get the history right and to give credit where credit is due and that is simply to acknowledge that the Stones wouldn’t exist as an entity if it weren’t for Brian Jones. Also yes I know the he part about the Ealing Jazz club and playing with Alexis Korner Blues Incorporated, Elmo Lewis, Little boy blue and the blue boys, dust my broom, Charlie drumming for Alexis etc. all of these factors considered it was still Brian who started the band!!!
It's wild to try to imagine the direction of the stones had Brian stayed around.
TRES Cool/Heavy Le Blues de Brian!
I recall in 63-64 as a young 8/9 year old kid watching the Stones I noticed Brian Jones stood out on stage and on early album covers.. I always preferred the Blues playing Rolling Stones… That was Brian Jones 😎
I have been a stones fan since 62
Mick sometimes forgets that without Brian, he would still be sitting on the platform @ Dartford train station with a box of 7 inch records .
The records Mick had that October day in 1961 were 12 inch albums and Brian had very little to do with the Rolling Stones success. Jones was a poser and a hanger on..
Mick and Keith formed the Rolling Stones. The plaque on the Dartford train station correctly says so.
Actually, Mick and Keith, long-separated childhood friends, happened to meet again on that station platform. Each was carrying a Chuck Berry album. Or multiple Chuck Berry albums. I forget which. Brian was the more naturally-talented player, of a wide variety of instruments. But couldn't write original hit-quality songs. The world is relatively full of people who can play and/or sing hit songs, written by other people, note for note, and relatively empty of people who can write original hit songs.
@@user-bf2cv9xo7x So true... Either they have it or they don't
...According to Keith it was Mick who was carrying the hard to find albums that included, Rockin' at the Hops by Chuck Berry, and The Best of Muddy Waters which ironically had the song "Rollin Stone" on it.
One verse of that song goes;
Well, my mother told my father
Just before , I was born
"I got a boy child's comin', he's gonna be
*He's gonna be a "Rollin' Stone"
Sure 'nough, he's a "Rollin' Stone"
Sure 'nough, he's a "Rollin' Stone"*
How prophetic is that?
@@williardbillmore5713 love Muddy Waters
@@williardbillmore5713 You don't know what you are talking about.
Can you imagine running a want ad and Jagger and Richard’s show up!
No. It is an absurd notion...Especially when Keith and Mick were already in an established blues band for seven months before Brian even ran the advert. The Blue Boys were complete with impressive demo tapes of blues songs like Rollin Stone blues.. Mick new what he had and he knew what Keith had too. They were both in demand and everybody on the scene knew the confidence and charisma Mick had on stage and the eclectic guitar skills Keith had to draw on.
It is a tale that holds no water that they auditioned for anybody.
I'll take "Things That Never Happened" for 300 Alex...
Let them show up elsewhere.
Brian Jones taught them both how to play. Mick learned harmonica from Brian.
@@jamesbowen8960 Utter and complete nonsense..,Where do you people get this crap from?
Keith had ten years playing guitar in all genres including classical, Jazz, R&B and popular rock and roll. Brian got his first guitar for his 17th birthday three years before they met and he only played the blues on it. Who do you think taught who how to play rock rhythm guitar?
Keith had to keep the parts he wrote for Brian to play simple or he wouldn't even try to play them.
Jagger studied Little Walter's harmonica style years before he met Brian. Mick"s playing is more melodic and lyrical and Brian played a chugging overdriven rhythmical Chicago style .Very little in common . Brian taught neither of them anything. Brian was very much the student ...at least when he was sober.
Anyone with good common sense, can clearly see Brian Jones was the original True Leader ! In the beginning, Brian didn't care for Mick Jagger's singing. Mick and Keith don't know how lucky they were to join Brian's band !!! Love Bill Wyman for being a stand up MAN !
Thank you Sandy!!
Brian was a druggy
@@elenikorkodelaki2695
You are most welcome always, Eleni. ;)
Nonsense.
“The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R&B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the ‘Stones.’” ---Brian Jones 1963 Read Brian's words as he tells how the band got together.
@@shadrach6299Really none of your business.
The flute/recorder at the beginning of Ruby Tuesday would be testament in itself, but the credits keep coming.
A little to late, but that's the way time works I guess🤔
Bill wyman has always been there for Brian
After 1969?
I don't doubt that Brian was the one who formed the band and his talent as a musician was undeniable, but without Mick as the front man he is, and the songs written by Mick and Keith which were the hits that took them to the top, the band could have easily folded by the mid sixties.
Correct. If the band had followed Brian's vision for the band, of only covering other artists blues songs in a handful of clubs in and around London we never would have heard of them.
Ironically Brian hated that Mick and Keith wrote the hit songs that made him wealthy and famous.
Mick and Keith formed the Blue Boys and after Brian joined them in April of 62 they changed the name to The Rolling Stones. Brian founded NOTHING.
Brain was also gifted with a high IQ. He doesn't get the credit he deserves.
He never applied his IQ to anything worthwhile. Jones was incredibly lazy.
I love Keith, but I truly feel Brian was the heart, soul and brains of the early Stones. Keith was kind of shy in the early days, but he sure did open up as one of the best guitarist, songwriters and smartest guys in rock. Seems like you can ask Keith anything and he always has the perfect answer. Really sad about Brian, he such a brilliant artist. My favorite era is still all the albums with Brian. I also feel Bill left at the right time before The Stones kind of morphed into a mega business. Put on any early Stones album and you can hear the little things that Brian did that we remember about those songs.
Keith was by his own admission from a Very Cold Emotionless family (I heard him say this with his own voice) Not surprising he is a Cold Fish himself. He was a Rat that stole Anita Pallenberg away from Brian while the 3 of them were in Morocco and Brian who had Bad Asthma ended up in the Hospital. Now before Hater billmore aka The Anti Brian chimes in saying "she cried to Keith about Brian beating her up" that may be true? or not? But if it was? then you tell her Leave him, and find someone else! But Not Me! You don't do that to your Friend, if you are really a friend? Sorry Mick, and Keef have very little credibility, especially now that Brian is not around to defend himself.
Mick Jagger's favorite Stones album? Aftermath. Brian's finest hour.
Keith was the,,,♥️,,,of the Stones.
@@tomwheeler6760I believe Anita had a “decision” in this, she obviously wasn’t kidnapped aka stolen.
@@KittyGrizGriz Sure she did, as did Keith thats the point, you don't get together with your friends girlfriend especially while he is incapacitated unless she overpowered, and kidnapped Keith and there was nothing he could do about it. Do you believe that? I've experienced this personally when my wife left me wanting to be with my friend. (Denying it all the time, as did he) All he had to do was say ok you're not happy with Tom, so leave him and find someone else, but I'm not going to be the one that stabs him in the back. Just put yourself in Brian's or my place. Would you do that to a friend? or if a friend did that to you would you really be able to stay friends with that person? People these days have No concept what Real Friendship, or Loyalty is. So my wife and "friend" got married, then a few months later wrote me apology letters asking me to forgive them because what they did was Totally Wrong! I said well if you're really Sorry? how about giving me back the $50,000, and Nice Pickup Truck you took from Our marriage, just to show good faith that your apology is for real? Oh well we couldn't do that. Lol oh ok then your "regret" an "apology" is just Crap!!
I was a significant freak, 5 years old, with three older brothers, and I started listening to RnR in 1955. Stones came out in '63, and although I am a Beatles fan, I think Stones was perfect. Brian was a pretty boy; I couldn't miss him. He was front and center. He got really screwed, and many of us knew that. His death is never forgotten. Wyman got it right.
Bill Wyman is only honest Stone, now that Charlie Watts is gone.
and Ronnie Wood
Bill Wyman lies like a rug. He was not in the band when Brian joined. Everything he says Brian did before Bill joined are made up lies.
@@williardbillmore5713 why do you think Bill Wyman would lie about these things? I’m really curious. What’s your opinion?
@@billhorstkamp98 bill wyman is very great stone
@@billhorstkamp98 Bill may actually believe at least some of what he says Brian did.
Bill and Brian were very close and they even roomed together when they toured. In the six years they were together I believe that the egocentric and narcissistic Brian told Bill a crock of lies about how it was his band and that he auditioned and chose each one of them and that he lorded over them, choosing their name and telling them what to play or not play. Bill was not around in the early days of the band. It was almost 1963 before he joined and he either believed Brian or chose to repeat his lies after he died because he felt sorry for him. None of what Bill claims about Brian is supported by any other source.
Even Bill's famous complaint about the plaque at the Dartford train station that says that Mick and Keith went on to form the Stones was dismissed when Bill's claim that Brian formed the band was investigated by the Dartford City Council. Initially the City Council said that they would amend the wording to satisfy Bill, but once they investigated Bill's claims they decided to leave the wording as it was.
The plaque was never changed and still is displayed at the platform with it's original and accurate wording.
Mick and Keith founded the band that became the Rolling Stones and nothing Bill could do will ever take that away from them.
Brian had such style always thgt they were jealous or whatever red rooster STILL one of my favs
The Rolling Stones were at their peak in the early years with Brian Jones. There would have been no Stones without Jones.
Yo have it wrong... Without Jones they were much more successful and popular. They really didn't hit their peak until the mid to late 70s.
Contrary to Bill Wyman's lies. Brian did not found form or create the Rolling Stones Mick and Keith did.
@@williardbillmore5713 So, you know about the beginning of the Rolling Stones back in England BETTER than Bill Wyman who was there and an actual member of the original Rolling Stones? Is that it?
I hope realize that you sound like a delusional idiot. LOL
@@2727.L No Jones = better Stones.
In the weeks months and years after they finally got rid of Brian their popularity soared and their world wide appeal exploded with creativity and critical.acclaim. Jones had been holding them back from reaching their full creative potential.
The numbers don't lie, but you do. Jones had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of Ruby Tuesday.
@@2727.L
The Rolling Stones didn't rise to fame until the 70s. Jones had nothing to do with the writing of ANY songs the Stones did. He was not capable of an original musical idea.
He was a poser and a phoney.
@@2727.L Jones was a very mediocre rhythm guitar player , though adequate for the most part. Fortunately he was a rabid copyist and he could follow direction on the guitar, at least in the early days.. Keith could always come up with a part that was simple enough for Jones to play that would fill out the songs.
Everything else Brian did was posing and faking his way along trying desperately to gain attention in a band he could never really be a star in because of his lack of improvisational talent and inability to sing.
The Stones were always playing catch up with the Beatles throughout the 60s. If they had a real guitar player like Wood or Taylor and a strong second harmony, when they started in the early days they could have just as easily been on top, setting the pace.
BTW I was 11 years old in 1963.
I lived it too. I learned their guitar parts right off the radio. The easy Brian parts first then later the Richards guitar improvisations and his spot on vocal harmonies. I never knew who did what until I caught them on TV but the easiest repeating parts always turned out to be whatever Brian played. It didn't take long to figure out that he couldn't sing at all.
Brian was wonderful, a highly gifted musician, in those early days, but we have to face it, as time went on Brian self-destructed in an unbelievably short amount of time. Just look at pictures of beautiful Brian in 63-64 compared to the Brian of 69. He let his dissatisfaction with the band--and probably a lot of other psychological pathology--overcome him and drowned in booze and drugs metaphorically and then literally in a pool.
Wasn't he already missing occasional gigs by '65?
Yes and he let the band down by not showing up for recordings and performances --and he left the band in 1969. It seems crystal clear that mick jagger is the one that picked up the pieces and pulled it all together -- of course with major support from Keith and Charlie.
Bill you waved to me when gigin on Hastings Pier GOD BLESS YOU x
I bought my first super 45's of the Rolling Stones in october 1964.I read all the interviews of the Stones for years.First one of Jagger in NME or MM at the very beginning he said:
"Don't call us a r'n'r band,we're a R'n'b band"
Brian Jones was certainly not the only one to like blues.
Before the Stones ,Keith and Mick with Dick Taylor,when they were sixteen ,had a band named The Blues Boys.
Bill Wyman played in r'n'r cover bands ,playing for US soldiers .Charlie played jazz. They knew bout blues but not like Keith and Mick .The future Glimmer Twins just love Jimmy Reed and Muddy Waters.And Ian Stewart was great
The Blue Boys never broke up. After Brian and Ian joined them in April of 62 they changed their name to the Rolling Stones.
Nice to see Bill on here, since he is still around to describe the stories of the Stones.
Keith Richards claimed it was Ian Stewart's band who says it was Brian Jones who started the band. It's a brief clip just look it up here on CZcams. Case closed.
Just try to imagine Paint it Black or Ruby Tuesday or Lady Jane or 2000 Light Years from Home or The Last Time or No Expectations or any of dozens of other early Stones songs without Brian.
I have heard most of those songs performed without Brian and they do not lose a thing.
@@williardbillmore5713 LOL Brian LIVES! in your Hateful Willie T. Rat Head Too Funny!
@@williardbillmore5713 that’s true. I’ve only seen the stones with MickTaylar and then Ron Wood I never saw Brian in concert. But I’ve heard those songs without Brian and you really don’t miss him
@@billhorstkamp98 There was a time , when they did Paint It Black, Ronny played an electric sitar. But in more recent performances Ron plays a Fender Stratocaster and Keith plays a modified Telecaster that sounds even more like a real sitar. From Keith's clever and expressive intro that he always played right through to the last refrain it's all there.
In the original recording Brian only doubled up on exactly what Keith played on guitar anyway.
Jones is not missed at all.
It's easy to imagine Gimme Shelter, Happy, Sympathy for the Devil or Dead Flowers without Brian though.
Yep! Bll your right the early Stones were brilliant live and there early Albums have a special vibe because of Brian. R.I.P.
Brian like so many creative people had his demons like most Green, Barrett, Moon , Lynnet , and the so called 27 club fell to chasing the Dragon and burning the candle at both ends,, I know I was in the Art and Music scene from late 60ts to middle 70ts, its a Road less travelled with many casualties and ego frictions .
I survived many of my friends didn't..
PS, I had my wedding reception in Bill's London Restaurant Sticky Fingers.
Brian's contribution on "Mother's Little Helper" coolest riffs played on a 12-string guitar with slide and the tambura that distinct sound RIP
The very first album, was on Brian's conduct. The sound was huge, the choice of songs tasteful, and it's still a hell of an album. Bill's sound wrapped entirely the son. It wa the Jones, Watts & Wyman 's combo, plus two nice blokes.
Bill is no saint . That's for damn sure! I think people know what specifically I'm alluding to.
Bills lies about Brian still linger among his fans many of whom still believe that Brian founded the band.
But I think you are alluding to his interest in having sex with very young girls... Something he shared with Brian, only it seems that Bill knew what a condom is..
Brian fathered at least six children by as many young women and he abandoned and refused to support any of them.
Why.. what did he do?
@@richardsuarez2146 Wyman doesn't express a single regret about having an intimate relationship with 13-year-old Mandy Smith. It seems that by the time he got around to marrying her she was too old for him. She was 18 and he was 52.
Wyman claims to have had sex with at least 1000 underaged girls in his career with the Rolling Stones.
You gotta watch out for the "quiet one"...
Oh, and did I mention that, everything he ever said about Brian Jones is a lie.
I always loved Brian’s sitar on Paint it Black.
I love and appreciate Brian’s skills. That said, Brian Jones is mostly responsible for his downfall. Drugs have a way of eroding the talent of individuals. I believe Brian started the 27 Club, a very sad club.
brian Jones forever ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
The blues wasn’t exactly unheard of at that time. Alex Korner and John Mayall.
I was in England in 1958----Blues was not unheard of. People were talking blues.
How true
No one denies Jones’ importance but when you suffer from addictions that prevent you from doing your job then you need to step down or be replaced.
Like Keith for the last 55 years.
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Brian had vision and got the band started and gave them a look and a sound. Mick and Keith knew if the band is going to stay together, keep working and shoot for success, you can’t keep playing 12 bar blues all night every night.
Who cares who started the band? Its not important.What is important is who had the talent to write the songs that became worldwide hits and made everyone wealthy.And that was,of course,Mick Jagger and Keith Richards,2 songwriting geniuses.
3:40 - 3:45..Here is the truth!!! From Bill Wyman, Thank you Bill for telling all this! WITHOUT Brian there were no Stones! Anyway all of them sre are incredible! I like the ROLLING STONES, but BRIAN JONES was special! Always remembered 🙏👏
Bill is a liar.
Bill was recruited several months after the Stones started already so how would he know how it started initially? Keith and Mick wrote the first of their original songs which made them stars overnite after. Wyman has an agenda here.The architect of the band was Ian Stewart actually who got them all together . Wymans actual name is Perks.
@@mattbarbarich3295 You are correct on all counts, Matt.
@@williardbillmore5713 Cheers, I'm just tired of so much disinformation and smoke an mirrors around. Jones was a very disfunctional and abusive person more and more so Jagger and Richards had to step up if they were going to get anywhere or survive.
@@mattbarbarich3295 Mick and Keith rose to the occasion and they changed all our lives with their musical genius.
Oldham was smart and he knew what direction to take them to. If they would have stayed in Brian’s way of thinking, they’d be done by 1966, just like all of the other British cover bands
Think of the recorder in Ruby Tuesday. Brian.
Brian and Jack Nitzsche wrote and arranged the part Brian played in Keith's song Ruby Tuesday.
Brian never played anything like that in his entire life on his own.
The greatest band that came from the early 60's....
Been a fan ever since...
What a fantastic video have a wonderful weekend ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊❤
Thank you! You too!
@@RockinRollinOneOne question ❓ Why have you pinned up Willard's hateful comment ❓ Everyone knows his hate Brian!
@elenikorkodelaki2695 Why was Williard's comment pinned? because this comment is quite interesting to discuss for music lovers, especially for The Stones' fans. Whatever anyone's opinion is totally up to our own take, but no denying Jones played a huge part in The Rolling Stones early success bringing in cool instruments and shaking up the rock scene...Keep it Rolling my friend!
@@RockinRollinOne I just read your answer! But sorry for me it's strange and wrong, your answer I mean! Of course everyone has the right and is free to tell his own opinion! But this Person is something like sick for me! After a positive comment about Brian, he shows us how much he hate or hated him!! Is it normal???? I think it's not,! Brian was talented musician the most, and the founder of the Stones! That fact can not change by any " Willard" and any "Channel" too!
I will take early stones with Brian Jones any day over the later stones!
Your loss, Johnny.But the world consensus has been that they were twice the band once they got rid of Jones and hired a truly great creative guitar artist like Taylor.
Jones had been holding them back from reaching their full creative potential.
@@williardbillmore5713 The "wold consensus"? You are pathetic... how can you write something so stupid?
@@williardbillmore5713Taylor played lead , they were more creative and very interesting with Brian.
@@vonholland64 How could that be, Von?... Brian never created anything...He was just a poser.
@@williardbillmore5713so is wyman, clearly
Brian, Stu, and Charlie! The Heart, Soul, and The BACK Beat.............Mick The Greatest front man, and Keith is "Rock-n-Roll".
I'm a big time Stones fan from the get go. Flipping the 45 single of "Not Fade Away" over in 1964 and hearing that slide guitar on Ringo's "I Wanna Be Your Man" was a paradigm shift in my musical appreciation. My take:
1.The Stones had a heavyweight rhythm section with Bill and Charlie along with the highly skilled fluid interplay by Brian and Keith on guitar.
2. Add to that Mick and Keith's uncanny knack of writing amazing material.
3. And then by pure chance they just happened to have the best 60s studio musician in the world ... Brian Jones.
That my friends = some of the most incredible music of the 60s.
I TOTALLY believe Brian was a force in the band. But it cannot be overstated: he didn't write songs, drugs did him in and quite likely he was unfortunate to have a weak constitution.
I agree on Brian Jones role, its the season to crap on mick and keith
My "big brother" and guitar mentor, Harry Hess (RIP), who was a huge Stones' fan, said that it was all about the first 5 albums.
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I believe that Bill has always been deeply in love with Brian, otherwise you cannot understand the obsession he has always had with defending him above everything and everyone.
Brian Jones was a key member in The Rolling Stones early years! And their music showed it with blues covers and thier own music had a big blues sound it! But after Brian's departure and tragic end! Mick Taylor replaced Brain and The Stones as a band enjoyed their most successful work and albums! The Stones always had a black sound to thier music were as the Beatles early music had some but became most a studio band! Great Music but almost impossible to reproduce in a live concert! The Stones could Play Live! I believe Mick & Keith good, bad or indifferent held an iron fist on the band! And were responsible for changes within the band! Vanity is unfortunately part of Great Rock Music! Only a handful of Rock Bands didn't experience turnover because of this! Such is Life!
Wait - BILL played those bass pedals on “Paint It, Black”.
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That's what I thought I'd read.
Paint It Black - written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. And that famous riff? that's Keith.
Brian played Marimba on Under My Thumb…an instrument that he had only dabbled with the day before.
..And that's my favourite intro to the song!
Brian could really make a song work ! : )
For me, compared to their later more country rock stuff -
the Stones were great up to `66 - strong, catchy tunes ! : )
Most of their best singles were recorded when Brian was in the band. The best Stones albums were made when Mick Taylor was with them.
Richards has always given credit to Brian Jones' contributions to the band if anyone cared to read up on it and take notice. Especially the early contributions. Jagger maybe has not but only because Jagger rarely talks anything about the Stones' past. He has never written an autobiography.
The only thing Richards might dispute with Wyman is the idea that Jones was the "leader". But Richards acknowledges that Jones was the superior musician when they met with a better grasp of blues music.
I don't believe Keith and Mick needed to be persuaded into the blues. They were already there before meeting Brian.
Not in pure sense like brian
You look at the live TV...things ..Mick is actually....cued on Brian. Brian is the solidity......... ect.
If Mick and Keith had done their own thing, Brian Jones would have still ODed 50 years ago, and Mick and Keith would’ve written all those hits and still be touring under whatever that alternate band name might’ve been.
The band wasn't even together the first seven months, so there really isn't that much Wyman missed except for a lot of hustling, scuffling, and starving. They really didn't GET "together" as THE full original band we "oldies" know until January of 1963 when Charlie Watts finally joined as the final member. Jones has also said that he was the "undisputed leader" at first, and most outside accounts agree with this; Giorgio Gomelski, a manager hopeful who later managed the Yardbirds, drummer Ginger Baker, recording engineer Glyn Johns, Ian Stewart himself, etc. He may have been trying to keep the peace when he stated his comment about an "amalgamation of two bands," although that wasn't an entirely inaccurate statement. Even Andrew Oldham who disliked Jones intensely has said something to the effect that it was Brian's life mission to form the Rolling Stones and it was his (Oldham's) life mission to manage them. So, although he may chafe from how he perceived the way that he and Brian were treated (Charlie was largely exempt except for the money 'cause he just wanted to play drums and had no interest in writing songs) and occasionally exaggerate, I'd say that Wyman's account is pretty much based on fact; more so than Keith anyway (who REALLY had/has a tendency to exaggerate.)
Wymans stories about what happened in the early band he was not a member of are fantasies, lies and Myths he concocted mostly after Brian died.
They have no basis in fact and are a complete fabrication. The Rolling Stones were formed by Mick and Keith. Jones did not even have a band for anyone to join in 1962. He joined the Blue Boys...Keith's band.
The Stones found regular work at several local clubs following their successful debut at the Marquee Club.
Brian's words,1963; Our first residency was at the Ealing Club..., which we still do most weeks, unless we are playing elsewhere.“We are doing a series of Saturday dates at the Poole, Dorset, starting next week. We play the Ken Coyler Club and every Sunday evening play the Station Hotel, Richmond which has been described as one of the most hip sessions,. “We have, I may add, a habit of breaking attendance records.
Not sure why Williard's blathering is a pinned comment, lol.
I thought the same! I can't explain it.. Its to crazy..like Willard is!!
@@elenikorkodelaki2695He’s bat shit crazy. Plus he comes off like he’s smarter than everyone. He must be a real joy to be around.
It is pinned because every word of it is true.
@@williardbillmore5713 No actually it isn’t. You post like you were actually there. You weren’t. You still fail to explain Brian’s ad or Geoff Bradford and Bryan Knight. They answered Brian’s ad as well. Brian was the catalyst that is the legend of The Rolling Stones. You can’t take that away from him because it’s cemented in stone though you try. Brian stated that two bands came together. Because of him! That is how history has recorded it. Just accept it and quit posting on every single video about Brian. You lose all credibility when you troll and no one will take you seriously. You are obsessed with the man.
@@williardbillmore5713 ONLY for you.. Relax!
Addiction has destroyed many a career
Mick and Keith are only next to John and Paul as songwriters. Mick is tge greatest lead man ever. Yet after seeing the original Stones live and listening to all the early stuff to me it’s much better then the stuff after Brian left
Mick Jagger is a businessman and Keith was the corpse with Anita to spice the salad.First time I met Keith it was daytime three feet from him,a corpse out from hell,but a strong guy designed for action.For their defence ,Brian had a lot of talent,but was fragile up there,drugs burnt him out,he started to desintegrate on the first US tour.Mick and Keith never wanted that for Brian,they are good guys,but he was totally gone.
Whatever Brian Jones contribution to the Stones early career history views the Stones largely as the monolithic stadium monster they became in the 50+ years since Jones death. For better or worse he couldn’t keep it together to play a part in that and so his contributions have been largely eclipsed
Brian added some nice touches to many of the Stones tracks, but anonymous session musicians have been adding nice touches to thousands of peoples' hits over the years, and no-one's ever heard of most of them ! A bit of perspective, if you will. Brian was a talented musician, no-one's arguing about that. But it was Mick and Keith who turned that band into a legend. That's the simple truth, and Bill Wyman is just an old man with a grudge. He can sod off.
Hey Bill, shame you air brushed Ian Stewart out of the Stones history.
I don’t now how Mick and Keith can old there heads up,they bullied poor Brian into an early grave.Shame on them cos if it wasn’t for Brian they would never have got what they have got now.RIP Brian.Thankyou Bill for saying all the things we thought.An honorable gentleman
I'm glad to see Bill acknowledging Brian's role and greatness. I'm sure part is due to how Mick and Keith dissed him after he left the band after 31 years because he didn't want the heavy touring and wanted to pursue his own band Bill Wyman's Rhythm Kings. Soon after that I bought one of those Time-Life type magazines about the Rolling Stones and I don't think they even mentioned him in it as if he never was in the band. And they've always made negative comments about Brian and tried to act like he was insignificant. One of the BS complaints they've made over in over is that he took money as the band's booker/manager as if he was stealing from them when in reality he was busting his ass promoting them and getting them gigs, etc.
The Beatles took more of the Motown approach to songwriting while the stones were on the south side of Chicago-style, I always love Brian Jones for the outfront man and the stones
Keith Richards will always be the,,,♥️,,,of The Rolling Stones he’s my favorite band member. Forever !!!