How to IMPROVE your POSITIONING! - War Thunder Tutorial!
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Today its time for the 8th episode of our series: Tutorials. In Today's episode we're taking a look at the POSITIONING! in War Thunder Air RB, i've heard a lot of ppl asking for help lately, and i decided to try to put everything i deem vital to positioning in this tutorial. Hope this helps :)
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Hey guys, Got a new episode in my tutorial series for you today. We're focussing on Positioning today, which is a Vital part of Air RB Gameplay! Hope you enjoy, and Hope it Helps! Dont forget to Like, Comment, SHARE and Subscribe for more! Have a Great day guys!
"Don't be the guy that jumps on the first plane you see"
Well that sums up about 80% of War Thunder players.
Roger!
The amount of times I've seen my entire American team at like 1 km going after a dive bomber with the entire other team diving on them is insane. Mfs will not climb
Positioning is such a pivotal part of having fun in WT. You don't need to clean house to enjoy yourself, but playing a plane to it's strengths just feels right. And besides, you've gotta know the rules before you can learn to break them responsibly. This will be a helpful video. Thank you!
Indeed Sir! Cheers :)
The problem is that if you're the only one positioned and using your plane correctly, you'll lose that match, and it's what normally happens 😅😅
Amazing guide anyways!!!
Sometimes, other times its an epic carry ;)
The reason I'm good at most games is the hours and hours of CZcams i watch before playing and whilst playing
and people wonder how i could mop up level 100's at level 30 a while back
roger that.
@@BradTheTryHard It do be like that in all games though, people with very high or maximum levels are either really good or *really* bad, probably because they played so much to the point where their brain started deteriorating.
@@Tacticaviator7 playing for a month causes perminate brain damage wdym haha. and that or they are so cocky they forget respect and get greedy
For the point near the start when you bring up people watching plane reviews, I take this to heart. whenever I see an interesting plane I wanna research or have just bought it's instantly to CZcams to see how to properly play it as well as I can.
yeah, will increase knowledge quickly. More then just self taught, especially when you started recently. Why not benefit from ppl that played for 7 years.
There’s a reason why this video has no dislikes at the time that I’m writing good job Jengar love your vids
You just had to jinx it 😂
Cheers Jonathan!
I think everyone who watches this video has already done something right. he informs himself and wants to learn something. many do not get any information at all, have no patience to learn and then say, the game sucks, I quit without thinking that it could be their own fault. Unfortunately, the game also leaves you very alone, as beginners only get a rudimentary explanation of something. What can my vehicle / aircraft do, what role should it play, how do I position myself on the map, what are opponents and fellow players doing, what does the minimap mean, which weapons are effective and which are not, what plan do I have in this battle, all of that you have to pay attention to everything. I'm a beginner myself, but I've played similar games, it's always the same thing that you have to consider, but many don't care. you can only advise everyone, people inform you, look at tutorials and reviews and learn new things! Not every bad match is the game's fault or the fellow players, who are all just cheaters, haha. no - ask yourself, did you really know what you were doing?
good points sir! o7
New to air side of WT and i went from bulletspounge to +5 kills and almost zero deaths in two days with ur tutorials! Thanks!
I love this video because you go really in depth, say what people need to know and how. Funny thing is that i pretty much know all of this thanks to watching creators such as you and DEFYN etc that really teach about the plane and how to play it. SO YES PEOPLE SHOULD WATCH MORE PLANE REVIEWS I AGREE
Roger!
Great video, I would love to see one on target selection and how to initiate engagements
Roger!
A concentrated version of every video Jengar makes. I'm starting to think AB is teaching me some very bad habits. haha
You can play AB with a brain and the skills Jengar teaches, it isn't non exclusive xd
(Also you'll probably be first all the time)
@ Yes that is very true.
Yeah, this is also aplicable to AB, i have 28K kills in AB from the old days ;) so i know it well.
Above and behind, thats all I need 2 know 😁
sure, thats a great place to start.
Yay another quality Jengar tutorial! And yes, I'd definitely love a seperate video on decision making. It's the heart and soul of air combat, yet because of its nuance and complexity people rarely cover or talk about it.
Thanks mate! Will do :)
Great timing for a much needed tutorial! I am fully aware that my positioning is poor and I need to get better. Now if I could find the time to study each aircraft strength and weaknesses, I might be much further along.
once you know its general role you can do 70-80 % right off the bat.
Apparently THIS is the video that I was missing. Immediatly improved my KDR immensely. Made RB actually fun.
good work deathcore! keep it up. o7
If you ever played football as a defender you'll know that being in the right place is much more important than being a skillful player. The same happens in War Thunder Air realistic
And in arcade, simulator, ground and naval lol, being in the right place and knowing where is the right place is much better than being good
its part of being good ;)
I love your tutorials, I think you should update your old ones and do these more often.
i will do them more often.
Cant wait to watch this video, its one of my biggest problems.
it is for many ppl! o7
Hey Jengar,
Long time since I played War Thunder. Glad to see you're still one of the few dailies I used to frequent a few years ago. Cheers for the video, and for your continued War Thunder content. :)
WB sir! Hope you start to enjoy the game again :) o7
Also attack planes that are not too far above your BR. I play AB with 1.7 planes. I often get hammered by hurricanes and 109s and sometimes by typhoons.
in uptiers its extra important to position correctly :)
@@jengar6258 sure you can get in a good position against a 109 but it simply won't die regardless of how many times you hit it and it moves around all over the place.
Just hit 100hrs played, thank you for all the content and tips! Any chance your squad has room?
i recently started WT, already knew all the historic manoeuvres. tonnes of test flights, watched some tutorials. I try and start with altitude. starting in air RB so far I immediately die in every engagement attempt (BR 2.0 - 2.3) hopefully this video will help!
Hey Jengar, Thank you so very much for the time you put in to these.
You hit the nail right on the head for what I am struggling with when it comes to aviation.
I've always tried to figure out how to position properly, you finally put THE word to what I was trying to wrap my brain around. How to appropriately figure out where to start...
The other issue is, how do you choose the plane and know what to do with it. I`m still trying to figure out how to play the attacker type thing.
A fighter, how do you know it`s a turner, does that mean a strong roll rate?
Boom and Zoomer... energy fighter... there is such a slew of planes that I find it difficult to choose which plane to use...
Take the BF 109 for instance, great energy retention, so I climb but now to master the maneuvers
I`m also trying to figure out how to avoid that ever annoying ground when it decides to jump in front of my plane!!! hehehehe... while I'm keeping on eye on the plane trying to take me out (SA).. I`m watching your tutorials... again... Camera control with the mouse..
I'm guessing I have to wrap my brain around that whole 4th dimension when flying... my position while I maneuver.
Any tips would be good.. I'm in desperate need of tips and tricks.. I'll just keep watching your videos as my perception is slowly sinking in. Now I just have to remember it all with all the info. Nice to see it but it's in battle that I have implement what little knowledge I retain.
I really need to get some Keyboard controls that work ... Muscle memory sometimes stops me though sometimes..
Do you ever share yours?
Cheers Brother!! Thanks again
You just have to keep practicing, and improve in one area at a time. Watch the plane reviews for the planeknwledge and slowly improve yourself.
@@jengar6258 Ha, I'm doing that as we speak.. thanks for the reply! All your vids are hitting home, maybe I just wasn't ready to hear with all the noise when a newbie starts... I know I was very much overwhelmed with all that info... :D I think that maybe some of it sinking in... Now I'll go do as you said. Play them daily so as to get to know the planes and learn their style. Starting with your very all inclusive and very well explained videos! Cheers brother, I'm not about to give up.
@5:56 A problem I have noted several times while trying to side-climb in some of the poorer climbing vehicles. Predominantly early P-51s or P-47s facing stiff Axis competition. I went through a period of strictly side-climbing to X altitude, only to find that before I ever go there, half or most of my team was gone. Before the recent MM changes, allied teams were always melting really early against 109/190 competition. Very hard to know that time when to strike so that you will not be the last one left versus 6-10 enemy fighters.
Let’s just say that side climbing is a very primitive tactic and very exploitable. Sorry to say that those p51 and p47 players need a deeper understanding of of the meta
It's not a good br. bracket to fly with US planes for a few reasons:
1. Teams; They are often impatient and don't climb or just simply don't know their planes, they go, ground pound and die. Sometimes they are tank mains with no intention to even learn their planes.
2. German planes are really strong at these br.-s, mainly the 109-s. The Focke Wulfs are fairly similar to the Thunderbolts and even worse in some aspects at these br.-s.
I had a few matches lost from a clear winning position simply because my guns jammed (happens with early Fw-s)and had to return to base.
3. The meta; US planes are not as much favored by the meta as Bf-s are post F4, small maps, an increasingly fast paced RB meta, slower climb rates, worse maneuverability.
This can be worked around with teamplay, but there's no teamplay in WT unless you bring a squad and it's unrealistic to expect from randoms with different goals in mind to work as a team.
The toxicity of people when they realise you're playing your plane to its strengths and don't turnfight a Yak, Zero, Spitfire or Bf at low altitudes with a P51 also doesn't help, the root of the problem is that the majority of the RB community ironically has a casual arcadey mindset, the volume of the grind also plays a major role in influencing this mindset.
Just turn off all chat if it bothers you, you won't miss out on much as like i said there's barely any teamplay anyway.
4. 'Sometimes, your opponent is just having a good day.' :D
5. Air starts, sometimes favoring the better, meta plane.
6. Bomber spam, you can notice this just a good 1-2 br.-s lower, except it's mostly Axis teams doing this, usually failing hard at these br.-s.
They are not as overpowered this low as a Ju288, 188 or an Me264 later on.
The thing is, B17-s aren't that good either, not when used as a gunship against something faster than itself.
7. Bad matchups; Germany, USSR Super Meta Bros teams against US, Japan, Italy, yeah some Italian planes are good and they work well with the meta, some.
US, Japan can be easily outplayed with a meta plane if the other player has a brain and either turns or doesn't.
A Fw, P47, P51, etc. player simply has to be really good to outplay their opponents if they don't have the altitude-energy advantage at the time of the engagement.
They also have to be more disciplined than their opponents and teammates and keep their energy state high for a tactical advantage in order to do well.
Don't be generous to your opponent and offer an equal chance, like a headon, they will just exploit it, outturn you and catch up to you.
You have to play dirty and you have to be the bad guy wasting the poor guys time and sanity setting up for another BnZ run instead.
What i'm trying to say with that, some teams are simply beyond help.
@@gabork5055 Many points I agree with. Interesting to point out the toxicity of other players in that BR range having teammates and even enemies call you out in chat for "passive play" when you are sticking to boom n zoom tactics with those same US fighters that seem to excel in it. Friendlies and enemies both seem to think that if you miss that first hit and burst, that you should immediately turn 180 and tail-chase A6M/Fw/Bf into the teeth of other waiting enemy fighters.
I would say that mid-early US fighters struggle due to the maps, meta, and player mindset as suggested. Who among us didn't act like we were flying an A6M5 the first time we tried a P-47/P-51? Short maps don't help players to get up to altitude/energy as well. One of the reasons I actually liked Bologne sur Mur at 3.7-4.7 was that I could get a P-51 up to altitude, and get the speed built up before engaging. Not so on the other maps.
@@synblades598 Absolutely, blasting in from an air spawn and nabbing 1-2 enemy fighters mid-climb is always fun for rebalancing the energy of teams early game.
The toxic players are both the players who are oblivious of any tactics and role discipline. And of course the baiters, those in the know, that try to irritate you into a mistake. Because they know you can still win this 1 vs 6.
Nice.
Thanks Justo!
I really wish more people watched your tutorial videos. All day today, I kept watching 3 or 4 or sometimes even 5 planes go after the first bomber that shows up. Of course they all blow through their ammo and then half our team is going back to reload at the AF. That's if their noob asses didn't sit right behind the bomber and get shot down by the tail gunner.
So by the time I get my second kill, everyone is either dead or re-arming and time after time, I'm being chased by 8 planes. How do people not know the basics of Air RB? Some of these guys are Lvl. 100 players with premium/fully upgraded planes.
Agreed mate, I'll keep trying to teach them.
Great video as always- so many tips and things I’m not always thinking about- like which direction to exit after an attack- left or right…
Thumbs up!
Question- wil it be a tall order for you ta make a list of different planes from different countries all ‘classed’ according to their role/play style? I.e which planes are best for b&z, energy fighting, turn fighting?
yeah, thats a big job, i review them, and you'll get the roles in my reviews. Main roles and side roles.
You are right there actually-thinking about it- and plane by plane review is very in depth and informative, and thus much more valuable than a list- the role of many planes are quite obvious, and its great to learn more about said planes and others to increase in knowledge and skill- please keep making such vids coz its REALLY helpful! We really appreciate you, you (and your vids) are awesome!
Ah lemme get my note book📝📖
Roger! o7
Jengar, great video this helps a lot. I was wondering if you could review the f 82 with gun pod. I'm asking because I'm really not sure how to fly it.
Hey mate, i have several reviews up on the F-82 Twin Mustang. the plane hasnt changed, so a new one isnt nessesary.
@@jengar6258 oh great, I'll make sure to check it out
Most people see it and use it as a boom and zoom one trick pony, but once you learn positioning and coordination, together with a good understandingly of the meta you should see some improvements. For instance in some games you will have to use your leveled speed to lead enemies into unfortunate positions, and sometimes you even need to dive low and kill light pillboxes to win the game. It all comes down to decision making and I can say the margin of error in this regard is very low, and you need a deeper understanding of the meta to play it well
im your biggest fan
Ty Sir! o7
I feel like this video should be required viewing before playing Air RB. One thing I will say is that Gaijin could do a better job providing players with the plane knowledge they need. The wiki is okay but many entries are out of date or very lacking. People shouldn't be forced to watch plane reviews to get a basic idea of what their plane's role is, but the in-game stat cards just don't give enough info to do otherwise.
Gaijin should just link all my plane reviews underneath their plane descriptions ;)
That footage at the end of you bombing tanks with an F4U (right?) has me wondering if you could put together a bombing tutorial, specifically in smaller planes (like the F4, P-51, 109, etc). Is it worth doing?
maybe, im first focusing on rank reviews, and other tutorials i have in the pipeline.
@@jengar6258 Sounds good. I realize it's probably a super niche part of the game. But I know my bombing has, in general, gotten a lot worse since I started flying RB (coming from AB) and I haven't even tried it with the fighters/attackers. Thanks!
how are you able to look around you without steering your plane in that direction?
Camera work, watch my defensive flying tutorial.
jenger plz continue ranks guide again....i m in rank 2 USSR...need guide👍
it will come this week!
Jenga is speaking nothing but facts in this video. And I feel like this is the best way to improve at air RB. (But bro I do all these thing right except aiming, how do I improve my aim)
i'll eventuelly make an aiming vid.
@@jengar6258 Thank you, because I alway get the enemy below me or stalled out. But never get enough hits to kill or their teammates come save them.
Ты всё правильно рассказываешь. Именно так и нужно вести воздушный бой
english son.
@@jengar6258 I said that you are telling everything correctly. And that this is how an air battle should be conducted.
Sorry for writing in Russian - I myself am from Russia, so out of habit I write in Russian))))
Me: *climbs in a good position unless i get unlucky and ganged by a squad*
Team: *doesnt exist*
what if the role of your plane is to be shot at and die? 🤔
...just asking for a friend who refuses to not use the old 262s
those arnt the best, but can still get good results in the b&z role.
Those are few golden rules, which in my opinion must be paid by sweat and bitter times. For most, this will come sooner or later with practice, for some apparently never 😁 Pretty good anyway mate. How about energy saving or aim next time? Very much overlooked..
yeah indeed, more are to come.
great video-all players should watch this(not many will :( ...i have the uncanny luck of getting a team who doesnt follow what you talk about here and im usually the last man left on the team facing 10 to 12 players! not a pleasant situation to be in concidering im a bomber jockey.would love to fly with a REAL alliance that has flying knowldge,the one im in is a joke.
then you should check the requirements of NmY and apply if you pass those :)
I’m tired to play German warplanes jengar, the enemies kill me faster, the last day I have 10 fast dies in a row, idk how use this planes, I know Bf 109 had bad Maneuverability and poor armament chances , but I love it when I kill enemies, but sometimes I die and play very angry, Idk if you can upload more videos of how to use these airplanes pls :)
I have reviewed all the Bf 109's. Check out my 109 playlist.
In my case when i go to +4000 M alt there's fucking no one close to me until my team get wipeout, everyone in low alt
When i go to 2000m-3000m 5-7 enemy plane above you
If trying play low alt under 1000m there's always someone who also in low alt
If use bomber no mater how high i go there's always spitfire behind me
Ok right at the start your in a Razorback P47 which does not climb well, YET you are at 5599m at well above Bombers in an obvious SIDE CLIMB. Also I see your in youre NMY Squad and all do the same and climb using the same P47. Next your in an IL-2 and still alive and at the time of the video above fighters and killing one easily. Different part of the match in an IL-2 this time at altitude and still alive as you dogfight with some turning and in squad seemingly doing things with an il-2 that turns out successful. Next in a vampire in squad being successful once again.
I think all the points you make are good, but I was hoping for a video of your thoughts as they happen in the game and how you apply the lessons the video is about as they happen, taking the aircraft your using and the situation as it plays out. Maybe an idea for another video someday.
i basicly do that in my combat reports.
@@jengar6258 For sure your Post combat reports show the key aspect of the aircraft Pros/Cons, I was refering to in video as the situations happen. For many Positioning is very much like sticking to your guns or pre match plan depending on the aircraft your taking out, but many have the issue where lest say they are SIDE CLIMBING and they see an approaching fighter, well there is a choice to make, and maybe many people make the wrong choice that impact the rest of the match and their own performance.
For low br arcade players: 1. learn to stay in the swarm without crashing with your teammates.
2. learn to cap airfields at full speed without crashing
3. Dive immediately when you spawn, when those "experienced pilots" aka assholes are boom n zooming your spawn points again.
4. Only climb when bombers are threatening the win. Nobody booms n zooms in arcade, everybody wants to have fun with the intens action of dogfights
5. Realistic battles are for old people who cant keep up, lack the reflexes the youth has, and see flying as a slow game of chess with endless analyses about irrelevant stuff .
6. Never respect boomers, they messed up your future and still act like they know it all.
Before i went to RB i played AB, i still have 28k kills in AB, and was very good at it, i still have the vids to prove it. my feedback: 1. Faulty, dont be in the swarm, be above the swarm and keep the superior position. 2. yes agreed, good skill in AB. 3. Be the one winning the initial clash, dont dive but climb, try to keep altitude and win the energy advantage. Play to survive. 4. speak for yourself, i used to dominate in ab, to win you need to be the highest plane, and stay that while working your way down. It's a tactical game the whole match long. 5. bunch of crap this remark. AB and RB are different modes with enjoyable features both. some skills are more usefull in ab, some others in rb. 6. respect has to be earned, by anyone of any age. Stigmatising a whole agegroup like you did is youghtfull stupidity.
@@jengar6258Al goed maat.
I've seen you racking up 20+ kills in the olden days, are you sure you can still do that?
And on 3rd point. Initial yes maybe if you want a slow game. But not when they are hoovering above your spawn. They even explained it to me why booming and zooming above the spawn. Its because they can stay high without descending to much using the in comparesing high altitude of the spawn instead of the lower altitude where the dogfights take place.
Besides that if you have a full line up of 9 planes plus backups you can spawn theoretically 18 times. With that in mind its ok to ram high scoring players with your worst planes.
Yes, you heard that right. Ramming is a valid tactic in arcade. Takes skills though
@@zaniwoob when the spawn is dominated it is good to dive sure, but after that i would climb outside of view and remove the guys doing it while high enough, and then take the initiative to their spawn. its part of the AB game. I would have to get back into it, i might be a bit ab rusty, but im sure i can still do that.
o7
We barely have the time in an air RB match to get position and get kills. The matches feel rushed and planes cant use the play style they are intended too. I barely play because of this anymore. I consider myself an ace (check out AGGRAVATING_MULE for stats if disputed ace level stats.) And i spend money sometimes. But its unplayable i hate it. I lost interest game. Also the marker system is noob friendly gives position away to entire enemy team if 1 enemy gets in 300.0 meters of you. BULL
the 25 minute gametime change has ruined a lot, i agree.
In game not much of actual useful information about planes. No information about rollrate, behavior in different attitudes, engine specs like chargers states, superchargers, minutes of WEP, structual information like speed of flatter, stall speed, rudder pitch end other info. This is make difficult to know your plane good enought to position good
Most of that is way too detailed. You dont need al that to get a good sense of where your plane can do well.
You can always click the Information tab and it will take you to the Warthunder Wiki which has most of that information.
@@Rogueginger69 WT wiki do not have full articles for all planes
@@M65V19 I never said it did, I simply stated it has most of the information.
love how every video of his starts out with: 'HEY GUYS, JENGAR HERE' . . . but what if there are lady pilots, thats not PC, ummm oh never mind, this IS a guys game after all.
I've only have 2 confirmed female Squadronmates in 7+ years, they do exist, but its rare.
lets see them noobies in thew commnt section :o if uneed help with controlls mec etc i can help u out ;U
always good to help new players out, but this isnt just usefull to new players unfortunately. Many ppl that played for years dont have this knowledge.
Yes, common sense is sorely lacking in the matches..
roger that!
"like a thunderbolt with ass to the grass... it's something you can do, but it's not the ideal position..."
GROSS. UNDERSTATEMENT. YOU WILL BE SLAUGHTERED provided no one is dumb enough to go head-on. please, if you can, give this a like; there are too many thunderbolt pilots strapping bombs and crossing their fingers, it doesn't help the team!