Schumacher vs Schumacher | Can Mick beat Michael's lap time?
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2023
- We are comparing the lap times of Schumachers around the Hungaroring circuit to see who had the faster lap.
Mick Schumacher - 2022 Haas
Michael Schumacher 2004 Ferrari
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It would have been great to watch them actually do a lap together.
Defiantly this schumi saga continues to break my heart
@@PACETVPMG Why are you defiant about it?
A lap of the hospital in his wheelchair perhaps
if he hadnt gone on that skiing trop
@@rogue9543 not even that
Schumacher in a Ferrari on pole, my whole childhood basically 🏎
Y a Barriquello dejándolo pasar, o a la FIA multando a todos cuando acariciaran a Schumi!😂😂😂
@@nostalfanyou confuesed barrichello with bottas and michael with lewis
The German and Italian national anthems are forever ingrained in my mind because of Michael, Ferrari, and Valentino Rossi, even though I'm not from these countries.
@joro7304 same for me, that is so strange as I am Russian but all my childhood I was living from weekend to weekend just to watch racing. Shumi was a mythical hero walking among us for me that day
@@sergeykorostelev7510me also, we were so lucky to have been there experience it every Sunday. Great times
Just imagine what can happen when the 2004 cars are desgined with slicks in mind + v10 with ERS and DRS. OMG!
The ERS is too much, the weight would increase considering everything you need to make it function properly.
How about if the 2022 car was 250 ish kilos lighter, had traction control and engines that aren’t rev limited, forced onto one engine setting and were built to last one race instead of multiple.
Nah I would like to see F2004 or other 2004 F1 cars on slicks especially that Williams FW26 F1 car
Imagine if the 2004 cars weren't allowed to refuel and somehow needed to find a way of carrying 200kg/300L of fuel that it needed to finish a race. Imagine if the 2022 car were allowed to use as much fuel as the V10's. it would develop 1600hp with ease.
@@Anon24052 2022 cars are heavier because they are using batteries and are just bigger which also have more downforce with bigger wings and floors. Strip those away and it wont be faster than an f2
Another thing to add is that the F2004 had advanced traction control which would make the corner exits faster than any human could, especially low speed like turn 1. TC was banned after 2007. Lower weight also makes a big difference as stated.
That's it. Equal cars I doubt Mick would not have a chance.
i thought it was banned in the early 90’s? i’m just wondering what really happened
@@drevinashcraft2485, it was banned from 1994 but they brought it back in the beginning of 2001. It was necessary to bring it back because TC was easy to hide in a software. I guess it was reasonable to avoid conspiracy theories and accusations.
The vids just keep getting better and better. Nice one once again 🙂👍🏽
Glad you like them! We'll keep on improving
@@formulaaddict who works on your videos? I am curious about position on your team.
Next video should be Schumacher ferrari 2004 vs Charles Leclerc ferrari 2023
Good old Hungaroring. Also would be nice if you always put the track name into the title or description.
I really enjoy watching these, please keep having historical comparisons
the new format is a good standard to build on, excellent work as always
2004 Ferrari was a really good car
It was only a fully-matured elephant's pen!s-length ahead of one of the slowest cars of the current grid.. Pretty crazy. Yes, I know 2004 cars had grooved tires but it also had over 400lbs. less weight, much less drag, far greater visibility and much easier/forgiving to drive.
@@ballaking10002004 cars were not easier to drive, and the only reason it was that close is literally because of the tire technology gap in modern vs old
The Mick quali time is also not great it most be said. Fastest time on the track in 2022 was almost 2 seconds faster.
@@oblied 2004 cars were most certainly easier to drive. Sure, they bounced around slightly more around the same corners with less downforce/weight but it's those same attributes that make the car easier to save when the car disagree's with the load being placed on it. Also, what makes your argument completely moot is the fact that the 2004 cars had driver aids; traction control being one of them. To be fair, traction control does increase lap time, but since we're talking about the level of difficulty driving here, I mean.. Come on..
Then again, in your mind, the ONLY thing that LITERALLY matters is the tires.. Tires are extremely important and is what the whole car operates from is those small contact patches with the road, I know. But it's so far from true to think it's all that matters and I think you know this, you can't be that dumb. You were just trying to be more dramatic in place of anything with substance as a way to put weight in your comment..
@@ballaking1000 F2004 had more power was lighter and had a much more unhappy rev range, the car was also smaller making it more uncontrollable. thats why onboards of older cars are always more action packed because theres more required to control.
Keep fighting michael!
new fav CZcams channel. This tune had some melancholy vibes to it also... I miss Michael Schumacher
I love your videos Formula Addict! Keep them coming!
Now imagine the f2004 with full slicks.
For a lap ? It would be great yeah, but for a race ? It would get lapped by modern cars simply because it needs refuelling.
I'd love to see the 2004 on slicks.
I'd love to see the 2022 car use twice as much fuel as it's allowed to use. I'd love to see how much slower the 2004 car is if it had to carry nearly 200kg of the fuel needed to finish a race
@@DonLee1980
These are qualifying laps. The fuel loads should be similar.
@@nicholastotoro7721 2004 was race fuel qualifying, so no.
@@_SpamMe
That would make the difference even less so, then, since the 2022 cars qualify with less fuel.
@@DonLee1980The extra 100kg would not be worth the power advantage at least on this track
0:25 says T2 "can be taken tighter due to lower weight" but it's probably more about T3 and the long straight, which you want to optimise for as it's overall better for lap time. Only cars with high enough downforce can go fast and deep through T2 (ending up rightward) and still take T3 flat, whereas lower downforce cars have to compromise T2 a little to go flat onto the straight from further on the left.
Father and son racing, if only it could happen IRL
Yes, Michael is amazing!
These videi are so soothing, love it.
Great vids ! Keep them coming please. I wish we could integrate this in Multiviewer !
F2004 on modern slick would we be a spectacle! Some F1 game modders already tested this and found that the car was held back due to grooved tyres.
What's there to test? Grooved tyres were literally introduced to slow down cars. Of course they'll, uh, slow them down seeing as that's what they were there for.
NO SHIT. That was the point of the grooved tyres. If you took the grooves out the equivalent tyre width would be half.
Giving it slicks will at most be as fast as with their groove tires. The suspension is not meant to handle the Pirelli slicks of today, because Bridgestone specifically built those grooved tires to suit the F2004's chassis. While Pirelli specifically built theirs to suit the heavy & stressing, but fast HAAS. It really can't be a comparison.
You can literally see it in this video where Michael's car is lacking the mechanical grip in lower speed corners and accelerates later than the modern cars because of the lack of grip.
A good way to summarize how Mick is following in his father's footsteps... or racing line, literally 😅
A good way to show, despite a vastly superior car, Mick still isn't even as fast as his dad.
@@bipolarminddroppingsmaybe Mick in the 2023 Ferrari could close the gap further ?
@@bipolarminddroppingsmick in possibly the worst car on the grid against one of the best cars on the grid plus racing experience mick only done it for 2 years schumacher was doing it along time before 2004
@@dannyboy507. might aswell call it 1 year considering that the 2021 car was the worst car by like 2 seconds
@@bipolarminddroppingssuperior car?! haas vs one of the best Ferrari F1 cars ever made?😭🤣
A comparison around track with loads of high speed vorners would be interesting imo, I would guess modern cars produce more downforce which would come handy through high speed corners
Just imagine how good mick would be if his father was still around giving him advise.
Man …. I actually teared up!
Excelente trabalho! 👏👊
Can't believe that Michael's son Mick got his seat taken he was gonna be future world champion and would be great as his dad I think he deserves a championship winning car and he would be a future driver for Ferrari and win championships like Michael and even match his records
🥃 ?
Amazing comparison
It would be cool if you can add some F1 1vs1 background sounds 🔥🤙🏼
What a dream😮 chasing the records of your family to bring back even more challenges for the next generation, 🎉 beautiful 😊
Legend. Imagine Ferrari Schumacher 2004 vs Ferrari Charles 2024 😢
Legend Michael❤
The electric side of the V6 gives recent cars a better acceleration but I'm pretty sure the F2004 V10 would annihilate it round Monza for exemple considering cars struggle to even reach 340/5kph with DRS open nowadays. And what I'd give to see the F2004 on slicks and going for push laps.....could definitely challenge or surpass the W11
Michael’s fastest lap in 2004 Hungary was 1.5 seconds faster than max this year. The qual laps in 2004 were done on race fuel and set up so not comparable to now. Also grooved Tyres too. That 2004 was lighting.
Its not the engine as the v10s were about 200 HP weaker than todays engines its the increased weight and aero which bogs the modern cars in straight lines, they can carry more speed in the corners but the old cars destroy them on the straights
@@burgir9985child V10s had 950+ HP all the time while trash V6 Hybrids only have same HP on max boost
V10s beat V6 anyday
@@Smzxe the official figures are 825hp and 865hp in qualy mode, now sure some manufacturers got their engines to upwards of 900hp, that is not the official regulation. Meanwhile other v10s only produced about 700 ish horse. The v6s with their hybrid system produce 1000hp. Im not defending the v6s and I do miss the v10s but the v6s perform better.
Like i mentioned before, the cars back then were far lighter but had less grip
@@burgir9985 cry hard because V10s were much much faster on straights 370 km/h on Monza and 345 km/h on every straight of Monza
No V6 Hybrid F1 car can keep up
2004 F1 car was faster than 2019 Ferrari on Monza straight also in acceleration V10 F1 car was much faster than 2019 Ferrari
V6 Hybrids cannot even touch 350 km/h without slipstream
V10 F1 cars were fastest F1 cars ever existed
love the beats
I don’t really know why but this video made me feel happy
great video
For a car that weigh around 200kg more, this is pretty neat.
It also has about 50% more torque and 30% more horsepower, slick tyres, more efficient aero, DRS, etc. etc...
It's more impressive that a car from 20 years ago gave it a run for its money. 🤷♂️
@@deerlord2363 it doesn’t make more power
@@oblied Yes it does. Current hybrid units are a lot more powerful than the atmospheric V10 engines.
@@deerlord2363 but the power to weight ratio of the car really makes those power difference huge, in a negative way for the current car. Which makes the current car pretty impressive. You gotta remember that those old grooved tyre has very different chemical to nowadays slicks. They are probably more sticky than nowadays slick.
Magic !!!
Just remember mick is in the back field haas in 2022 and his dad is in a front field ferrari, both are great drivers.
where do you get the info acurately to make these?
Do you have Spain`s laptime when he drove the W14 ?
Schumi in new car - 2 sec on lap
Легенда ❤👍
2004 cars held many records and were considered the fastest until 2020, so no surprise there.
No DRS, no charging batteries and no slick and wider tyres too.
Reminds me of that story of a son loading his xbox to play a time trial in a racing game and the ghost car of his dead dad’s lap was still in the game
So, did he beat his dad's lap time? 🤔
Mick have different approach on his driving style... Maybe like more smooth and soft around corner. His dad more aggressive on mid corner and floor it on exist.
18 yrs between those cars and still faster than mick 😮
can you tell me the music track you use for this?
Coches distintos, distintas especificaciones, motores, neumáticos, chasis, carga aereodinamixas, peso, tamaño del auto reglajes, reglas, etc etc etc
The 2004 car looks a lot more agile through the corners, i think its because of the much less weight
less downforce, less traction, too. Grooved tired as well. No 2004 lap should be faster than a 2022 lap.
Its mentioned in the video
Smaller and lighter is why they look so much more agile. There's a good video showing the evolution of F1 cars through the turn 13-14 chicane from 2002 to 2021. As the cars evolved they looked less agile as they slowly grew in size and weight
I it would be difficult because tracks have changed so much over the decades but a Formula 1 car from 1997 vs a current F2 car
Or a comparrison of a Champ Car from 2006 vs a F1 car from 2006 around Montreal
he is great even thought he is just 2 step behind from his dad sir micheal shumacher
turn 1 and chicane in middle sector are very different nowadays. chicane especially is like a parking lot these days
Would love to see a simulation, which equalizes the car differences. Not to replace this one, but in addition. I assume, that's not possible as driver and car must be considered as one when comparing them
The worst car of today is nearly equal with the dominant top-car of 2004. That shows how you make constant progress in development.
We miss Michael 😔
Just like Porsche developed the 919 Evo imagine the F2004 with slicks modern Aero principles applied to the chassis and aero along with the modern manufacturing and materials used to make the car more slippery, and lighter. That would be insane. If DAS and Active Suspension can be added without bulking lot's good weight you'd probably end up with a crazy car that'd rip up the record book
And most importantly: you would end up with a different car.
Or you could just take the W11 and remove the FIA implemented restrictions
Can you please do Porsche 919 hybrid vs Ferrari 499P in Le Mans.
Amazing driving style from Michael, much shorter corners and earlier on the power on exits.
That's what being the GOAT means, you do everything better
Cars were very different back then too. If you were to drive modern F1 cars like that you wouldn't be very fast.
Love Schumacher
Gez I love these formula 1 cars in 2023 the racing is more exciting than 2004
Can you make also create the same difference between Jos and Max Verstappen? Between Keke and Nico Rosberg?
Didn't expect the 2022 car to be faster on straights given its higher drag and lower average power output
Its the DRS doing its job
@@Davi-rg7fd I know, but still. Take Monza for example, 2022 cars reached 340 km/h while 2004 did around 370
Like father, like son
Michael + Mick = Perfection.
The same way
Jos + Max = Perfection.
It's just that some one is a rubbish in each each equation.
Mick may be underwhelming but he's still a better driver than Jos.
It really shows how Mick took after his mother, 2022 cars are insanely faster than 2004's
Or perhaps he took after Ralph …
I was getting Rex Racer vibes watching this😅
Those 2004 cars were beasts, do the same but Vs the 2020 Ferrari 😅
Don't forget those 2004 cars didn't have DRS, had grooved tyres and had to carry a race starting amount of fuel in qualifying.
I still think they're probably one of the fastest cars ever made, 2020 maybe quicker.
Impressive that the track is identical to how it was twenty years ago. That must be rare. Not even Monaco can boast that.
Last change was in 2003.
Which is what I said, twenty years @@Dragonpuncher123
@@ElementsMMA Yeah, just giving some context.
Michaels Prime today might be the only driver who is able to conquer the wonderkid from the Netherlands.
Muhtaç olduğun kudret damarlarındaki asil f1 kanında mevcuttur. Umarım 2024 veya 25 de bi daha görürüz.
2004 f1 cars were >1000hp/600kg monsters with tailored tires if we talk about brigestones used by ferrari. Clearly in slow cornerns may handle better than nowadays f1 that have a way more advanced aero but limited by their huge >800kg weight.
What track is this on? Looks like the Hungaroring, but I'm not sure 😅🤐
You can so how massive current cars is.
Schumacher definitely has some potential on a good car
But yeah Schumacher vs Schumacher was indeed interesting
He's not good enough to get in a good car. He should never have been in F1, his name is the only reason he got a seat. It certainly wasn't on talent, as shown by the fact he is slower than his dad in a vastly superior car (Yes the Haas of 2022 is a much faster car than the Ferari of 2004, or at least, SHOULD BE)
@@bipolarminddroppings i called Schumacher as a joke since ppl will get confuse which Schumacher i was reffering to
@@bipolarminddroppings Being a F3 and F2 champion might have something to do with it. Scored equal to Tsunoda in 2022, who still has a seat for reasons I do not understand. Also this video proves nothing. It's just a fun comparison of two very different eras of F1.
So to make sure the technological inventions of 20 years don't do anything at all, they made the car heavier. Interesting.
No. Larger engines, larger chassis, more components in the car, lots of parts in the car for driver safety.
@@kkasfa1596 That's one way of saying the cars aren't as fast as they could be too
It's not only the driver the 2004 Ferrari was a beast and is better than today's cars
Bring👏back👏V👏10👏s👏
Wish that Mr. Michael Schumacher could get Well soon！！
If you could leave the text on, for 2-3 more seconds, I wouldn't have to pause the video to read it.
Comparing one of the slowest cars on the grid to the legendary F2004 is a bit unfair though…
Could be interesting to compare these lap time with the best of the era (add verstappen).
Oh yea, back in the days when F1 wasn't terrible and it was fun to watch. Unlike now the sport was great.
It's mind boggling to see the all conquering f2004 would be a back marker in the current era despite its weight advantage, there are factors for and against it but time flies
It's down by ~50% torque and ~30% hp, among all the other things that it's lacking in comparison to the current specs. Of course it's going to be slower...
@@deerlord2363 Но самые главные различия в аэродинамике.
Hacer uno de alonso 2005 vs alonso 20023
Imagine if this was real, father and son😊
what track is this?
Венгрия
Haas recovers in the last part when he uses the electric motor
mick couldn’t even beat hulkenberg and magnesium in equal machinery
What track is this
It could've been Schumacher vs Schumacher vs Schumacher (Ralf)!
I wish that Michael could've been track side to watch his son.
More power (+ electric engine + turbo for more torque), more downforce, slicks vs. grooved tires...
So cool
Hamilton vs Schumacher please
Headline from some media outlet after seeing this…..
Mick in the haas was only 18 hundredths slower than Michael in a Ferrari. Will Mic replace Checo after the summer break?
F 2004 vs RB 19
F 2004 vs MC MP4
f2004 vs w11
MC mp4 vs w11
Coloca o name of track
Very impressive for a car that is nearly 20 years older
Is it? Or is it the fact that Mick doesn't have a fraction of the skill his dad did? Put any of the top drivers in that Haas and they stomp Schumy's time.
@@bipolarminddroppingsnearly 20 years difference, of course the time will be stomped despite the HAAS being a midfield car 🗿
@@bipolarminddroppingsare you okay? I see you on so many comments here saying the same things about Mick.
No DRS, No slicks and still faster. F2004 was a monster!
200kgs lighter.
It also has a lot less power, around 50% less torque and 30% less HP.