Koenigsegg Reinvents The Manual! How The CC850 Transmission Works
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Koenigsegg has yet again raised the bar in the hypercar arena. Their latest vehicle, the CC850, pays homage to the first Koenigsegg, the CC8S, and has an incredible transmission that allows for both automatic, as well as true manual operation. Yes, there's a clutch pedal, gear shifter, and all!
In this video we'll break down how Koenigsegg's Engaged Shifter System (ESS) works. How does it differ from a traditional manual transmission? How do the gears work? How does the clutch work? How does the shifter work? How do you switch between automatic and manual modes? What are the advantages and disadvantages?
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Can we take a minute to appreciate how this man somehow fits all of this information concisely on a single whiteboard?
I saw the video with Koenisegg describing this transmission. I understood....... as well as any flooring installer ever could 😁
You, however, filled in the blanks showing how this transmission does it's thing. Your descriptions of how it all works was very well explained.
As complex as this transmission is, it's supposed to handle 1400 hp.
The man and his designers are living, walking geniuses.
Once more, very well explained! 👍👍👍
can we take a minute to appreciate how Koenigsegg is slowly re-inventing every aspect of the car?
@@didjterminator808 seriously! First fully carbon fiber rims, turbos that are boosted by a burst of air from an internal compressor, valves activated by servos
I absolutely love all of the technological innovations this company is bringing to the automotive industry!
I bet.20 bucks.he.didnt.manage to fit it all the first time he.drew.it.up haha.
@@superliegebeest544 I'm betting he has a pretty impressive design team 😉
A video showing the drawings and head to head discussions from basic concepts up to the design being finalized would be neat. How much time passes from the design stage until the first unit is completed?
now this is the exciting stuff i want to see in the car industry, not bigger screens, fake exhaust tips, touch buttons or any other nonsense
Yes, please! But people focus on little toy things, not mechanics. Most people don't like driving, they like cars as a material thing.
And I assume you are also very excited for the maintenance cost... I would much rather take all that you have mentioned and a proper manual instead of this over complicated stuff. But ofc if you are the descendant of Bill Gates it might be feasible for you
@@horvathr95 you'd be surprised. These transmissions will likely outlast the majority of the gimmicky electronics in mainstream cars, not just because of who made it, I just mean overall. If these were put into mainstream cars, they'd end up being the only option of transmission, to offset cost, but the scalability associated with mass production would also drive cost down, quality would waver a bit until the prices did eventually decrease, but after that point these things would be even more insane than the original and just about everyone would want them, at that point, with the market saturation, and the availability of parts as well as number of specialists by that point, your maintenance concern would be no worse than with any mainstream transmission. The thing about a well-built gearbox regardless of style, is that it will likely outlast most components of a vehicle so long as it's maintained and serviced consistently and properly. Even with the added complication of added parts, unless the egg box is fully electronic and not at all hydraulic- firstly you'll likely know when or if it's tiring out, about to fail, or already doing so. If its fully electronic then everything I just said goes out the window and I say give me this trans, but with hydraulic actuation with electronics to serve only as assistance/redundancy, and monitors, because while I and many others these days might be able to troubleshoot electronics to some degree, I despise automotive electronics. Can work on them but I don't like to. I hate that "replace everything" mentality, but unless the repair is something I can do quicker, cheaper, and near as well, as compared to buying a new part and waiting for it to arrive, I tend to just buy the new part.
Automotive industry is all gimmicks
@@LtdJorge it's unfortunate because cars haven't always been viewed as an appliance.
Koenigsegg's engineering team is top notch. It seems like they are always coming up with new cool automotive tech
The management must be risk taker. Fail early, learn fast culture. Love it.
They design and build everything. Its amazing. Companies and engineers spend their entire existence on one engineering domain. They do it all and do it better.
@@anthonycho6344 Exactly, thats a great motto
the electromagnet valve idea was good but this sounds so complicated, a potential endless money pit as they age..
@@fidelcatsro6948 They are more complicated than a single valve, but eliminate the other mechanisms that push the valve up and down. They don’t have the inertia or weight compared to traditional designs. As with all computerized cars, the Model T will be able to start and run in 100 years. Non of our current cars will run in 50 to 100 years.
As a fellow mechanical engineer, I really appreciate how so much information can be simplified to be way more easy to understand and impressed with the caveats given at the end of the video. Way to go, Jason!
Those caveats are what makes this even better than an easy to understand explanation. Always know/show the limitations of your models!
As an RN I really like these cars. Big windows to pop my uzi out from
The most interesting thing to me is the vivid imaginations that flourish at Koenigsegg. They have produced profound innovations in every aspect of the car and its manufacturing process including the engine, transmission and aerodynamics. I guess the big bureaucratic companies repress this sort of open thought.
yea, if imagination doesn't immediately improve the bottom line then it isn't allowed
If anyone says "That's crazy! We can't do that!", Koenigsegg says "Why not?"
You have to consider that Koenigsegg is building a few very expensive cars a year and big companies are building millions of cars in the same time span and those cars have to be serviceable by mechanics etc.
Nothing Koenigsegg does lends itself to mass production. That’s not a bad thing, it’s just not their goal so they put their creative thinking into clever engineering
"Money is no object" is certainly nice to hear if you are an engineer pitching an idea to the boss :)
And what you say regarding mass production is true. A single Freevalve requires 30+ machining operation to produce, while GM, VW and Toyota are cranking out 100000 camshafts per day for 50 cents a piece.
You really have to compare across the same price point, which is hard to do, there’s not much at this price point.
Koenigsegg innovation really is amazing.
You only have to be a millionaire to get one
@@MohammadHussainIRP That alone is not enough because usually all the allocations are gone within a week of a new model announcement.
@@MohammadHussainIRP true but at least someone's doing something new
Brought back memories of the 13-speed transmission setups in semi tractors. 5-speed transmission and 3-speed transfer case. (5x3=15, but a couple of ratios were duplicated.) Some guys never could remember the shift sequence.
Yes, its just like tractors, also like most bicycle gear with gearing on both the cogs.
They just automated it.
@@magnemoe1 When on the bicycle, I just put it in one "range", (front), and use the eight gears, (rear). In the trucks, I would often use all 13 ratios by using both shifters, sometimes using transmissions without synchronizers. Lots of double-shifts and a few triple-shifts. (I guess this kind of dates me.)
I've seen those and even seen a video of someone driving one, I don't think I would remember either!
Our tractor has theoretically 32 possible gears (2x4x4).it has 4 ranges but I typically only use 3 and 4 the others are way to slow. Then it has 4 gears and all of this can be switched to forward and reverse.
I think most carmakers have been reluctant to do these 3x3, 3x4, etc. designs because certain shifts would require shifting both sub-transmissions simultaneously while under load which requires some clever control strategies. Most modern automatics only need to swap one pair of clutches for any sequential or double shift.
However, it’s not impossible. The Chrysler 62TE 6-speed gearbox does a double-swap shift between 2nd and 3rd gear, and this double swap shift hasn’t been an issue. The 62TE does have other problems but those are unrelated to its shift strategy.
I love the idea. Very ingenious. However I can just imagine the headache it will be to replace and maintenance the clutches
I think like most of today's mechanisms it will just be 'dump the whole broken thing and bolt on the replacement'
Well, this is Koenigsegg. If it breaks, you just send a 50k check and drive your other hypercar while this one is being fixed.
wet clutches last a lot longer than you'd think, and with the gears never losing mesh, there's less wear there as well. I'd expect less overall cost in maintenance than a traditional manual transmission unless you are doing things very wrong. As in to the point that you shouldn't be driving a traditional manual transmission either.
I guess Koenigsegg will make the clutch packs out of the very best materials they can find, so their customers will pay an enormous amount up front, but probably the clutches will very rarely need replacing.
(Especially given how little most super/hypercars are actually driven.)
@@phuzz00 yeah, it's Koenigsegg. Those clutches will be worth their weight in gold.
Simply unbelievable! I am so glad we live in a world where Koenigsegg exists.
Yeah, making something different is easy , but making something different, new and way better than anyone in the "trillion $ establishment" thats very special . Repeatedly innovating such things now thats extra ordinary... I think even though they are new they deserve credit and awards for innovation in the automobile industry...
i wish i lived in a world where i could afford one too :D
@@knifetoucher you are not the only one
So sad they couldn’t buy Saab :(
Amazing Cars Ridiculous Prices Way Overpriced 😈
I've always been impressed with Koenigsegg. I remember hearing about their hydraulic lifters YEARS ago, and I've followed them since. Great video as always!!
The actually got rid of lifters with their Freevalve technology. It’s either pneumatic or electronic actuators.
@@RadDadisRad I'm guessing he was referring to freevalve and called it hydraulic on accident
@@shredder8910 Well they're not lifters, whether they're hydraulic or not, freevalve has no cam, and the valves are a piston that move with air.
@@shredder8910 Definitely, hydraulic lifters were a thing in VW Beetles even.
@@PBMS123 Yep, for sure, I just understood what OP meant
This is one of the reasons why I'm picking up a CC850. I've never driven a manual but I look forward to learning on this.
Cool story bro.
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Sure you are...🤣
*Joke* 🤦♂
The problem those of us with a deeper understanding of mechanics have with “by wire” systems is the opaque failure modes. Yes, many people simplify the argument to, “I don’t like how it feels, don’t understand how it works, and don’t have the knowledge/tools/training to repair it.” Christian, you are right that all of those things can be overcome with education.
What can’t be overcome with education are the opaque failure modes either programmed intentionally into the system to prevent worse failures, or the randomly occurring ones. The latter often being dangerous or deadly!
Everything breaks. Code breaks. Hardware breaks. Hydraulic hoses break. Shift linkages break. Throttle linkages break. So on and so forth.
The difference is that with traditional tools, a home mechanic can inspect mechanical components. Leaks can be observed early with vigilant maintenance. Regular care of a vehicle with mechanical controls will reveal potential problems. Expensive, and sometimes deadly, failures can be prevented through routine maintenance.
Even with the education and tools needed for “by wire” systems (some of which cannot be purchased for home technicians), failures can occur with no warning, no way to detect the problem for the end-user, and no way to prevent it until it happens.
If the throttle body on my motorcycle sticks wide open and my brakes fail, I should have prevented that with routine cleanings, fluid changes, visual inspections, and basic handtools.
If a throttle by wire system locks my throttle wide open and a brake by wire causes my brakes to fail, it’s either an electronic hardware issue that would need to be discovered with a thorough inspection with a magnifying glass or microscope, some sort of specialized hardware inspection device that simulates various circuit modes (such as a specialized test set), or a deep examination of hundreds of thousands of lines of software code.
That’s why we don’t trust “by wire” systems. It’s a matter of responsibility and preventability. A failure of a mechanical system is my fault because of my laziness. I should have been responsible. A failure of a “by wire” system is *shrug* meh, someone’s fault, maybe… and I couldn’t do a damn thing to prevent it.
Koenigsegg always does amazing stuff, I'm impressed... and I hope this manual+auto combination will be offered in the future by other cars with a more affordable pricetag ahah
I just want freevalve, Koenigsegg has so much impressive tech that mere mortals never seem to get a hold of
Their unique approach is why if i ever became a billionaire I'd buy a Koenigsegg.
Yes because we all need the experience of replacing 9 clutches instead of one lol.
@@shawnm8232 Each one would spread out the load though, so you wouldn't need to nearly as often. And then even when you did you'd probably only have to do the ones for the lower gears
@@KPalmTheWise Their 2 liter freevalve, assuming it works well, would be so amazing for many forms of car racing and sports cars. Lighter than anything close, and plenty powerful. It's more powerful than the F1 engine in the AMG ONE. And much less troublesome to give a cold start. Way lighter as well.
For Indycar going hybrid, the Gemera engine would be a lovely fit. For Formula 2, a shoe horn in and dropping lots of weight. The list goes on.
When I first heard of this I tried reading up on some other explanations of it and thought "I'll just wait until EE posts a video about it."
Honored haha, hope it met expectations!
Bro… I’ve been tryna figure out how an automatic transmission works forever and I finally understood FROM this video. Yes I know that this is not your standard transmission obviously, but the way you explained HOW gears work finally helped me understand that aspect which is what I always had trouble with. I’ve tried so hard to learn this and I’ve never been able do until watching you explain this. Thank you.
Nice progress. If You need a new challenge, try to understand the Ravigneaux-gearset for a "simple" 4-speed automatic. I am still confused after years, but there are nice animations out there.
Keep in mind this is not how most automatic transmissions work. Most automatic transmissions use planetary gears, not side mesh gears as this does. Honda, however, has used this style side gear in some of their automatics for over 20 years. By comparison, the original model T manual transmission used planetary gears!!
It's quite different to a Trimatic...
@@tsd560ti6 isn't that the multi planetary transmission? Like 2 but in a row/integrated in each other? I remember the drawing from school. This kind of transmission are more complex to understand xD especially if you wanna find out the rotation without specific rules (logic but without them...)
Yep, this is very similar to how modern ZF auto transmissions work. Basically since the ZF 6HP which was the first generation that finally stopped being a 'slush box'. They still use a torque converter, but they are able to fully lock on demand & this is how the internals are configured with each connecting gear having its own clutch-pack.
It is a very cash-money evolution that gave auto boxes new life in the performance sports-car market, in my opinion.
It's always something special when Koenigsegg makes things on their own.
very expensive too
@@fidelcatsro6948
I think Konneinsegg customers don't care about the cost.
And what's even more amazing is, Konneinsegg was actually in my phone's auto correct dictionary!
@@adolfshitler my cat agrees with you 🐱👍🏿
@@adolfshitler Didn't the autocorrect work when typing this comment?🤔
@@fidelcatsro6948
N°1
I was having a war flashback to engineering school when my professor was explaining how an automatic transmission works with all the math attached, some of us were just visibly distressed, others were having mild panic attacks
What engineering school did you go to that coveted automatic transmission function? lol
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Christian is a genius. I remember seeing the CCX when it came out on Top Gear and it was mind blowing. What he has created now is mind altering. Kudos to him.
such a shame he didn't apply his 'genius' to something useful to humanity.
@@daos3300 yes cause everything everyone does has to be useful to all humans. Not. That's not how anything works
CCX with the top gear spoiler
@@daos3300 I’m a human and I find going fast with a manual transmission useful
@@daos3300 yes, cause you are very useful to humanity commenting CZcams videos
Certified Koenigsegg technicians are going to love work this new transmission! Light weight, compact, and plenty of clutch jobs to invoice the customer individually😂
@eroi bior at these prices you have to be exotic
This gearbox really makes sense. Unfortunately mainstream manufacturers will never use this method, probably due to manufacturing costs. Super cool design! Excellent video per usual.
Typical modern automatics already have 6-8 clutch packs, so your point is invalid.
Aisin transverse 8-speed: 6 clutches, 7 if you include the torque converter clutch, 9 if you include the sprag clutch. Used in Camrys, RAV4s, Volvos, Minis, VW’s, etc.
ZF-8 speed: 5 clutches, 6 including torque converter clutch.
Honda 10-speed: 7 clutches
GM 9-speed: 7 clutches
Etc.
Yes, because the Koenigsegg cars are unreliable toys for the ultra wealthy...
Current automatics are a maintenance nightmare, regardless if: automatically shifted manual transmissions, eight or more speed automatics or the dreaded constantly variable transmissions. Making the cars with them "disposable"...@@Kyriaeus
One thing I'm curious is how Koenigsegg is able to run so many clutches while keeping the transmission small, and keeping the clutches from burning up.
Edit: a lot of people seems to not understand the issue. Yes, electronically controlled transmissions has been around for the last (checks watch) 30 years. Multi clutch packs has been around longer than that. Drive by wire torque management has been around for at least 20 years. What I'm trying to figure is how Koenigsegg was able to stuff 7 clutch packs into a transmission that's supposed to be smaller than a typical 6+ speed automatic, while being strong enough to handle 4 digit power figures. The closest analog I can think of is the old Honda automatics, which are basically automated manual transmissions. The issue is that Honda has to make the clutch packs tiny to keep the transmission size down, which resulted in a very weak torque capacity. I'm curious how Koenigsegg managed to overcome that.
Edit2: even through there's two sets of clutch packs in the given system, each clutch pack must support 100% of the load, because they are in series.
It's incredible. My guess is they have massive hydraulic pressure on the individual clutch packs that are likely made up of some kind of exotic compound. Carbon-based perhaps. And, since they're wet clutches, they tend to be a bit more forgiving and are more easily cooled than your traditional manual trans dry clutch.
@@jackschofield7308 even then. DCT wet clutches are almost as large as a regular manual clutch. Traditional automatic clutch packs are smaller, but 7 clutch packs still need a lot of space. Honda managed to get away with a "automated manual" transmission in the 80s-90s, which allowed them to not use planetary gears, but the clutch packs are tiny and can't withstand significant torque loads.
Honda 4/5/6 speed automatics very similar to this. An automated manual transmission with 4/5/6 clutches - one for each gear. They abandoned the design, and you can see why, since they're huge compared to other designs.
From what I can see clutches 1 to 3 are only engaged when not under load so no slippage. As for the clutch pedal engaged ones, slippage should be easy to control if you have good software design that ensures engine revs match.
it works us farmers have bean using this type of trans in tractors for many years we had the same concerns individual clutches are smaller then one main clutch it cant handle it but now PowerShift as we call it is standard for all large tractors.
I guess it is "clutch by wire" then. the cool thing is they can even put many safety mechanisms to prevent overrevving, engaging wrong gear, stalling, etc. you can also make it work in manual, manual without clutch operation, sequential, or automatic..if it's well programmed it could let you do exactly what you want with the clutch, as long as you stay in the operating range, like not burning the clutch. you can always have a switch to disable the nannies. They better not have bugs in the electronics otherwise it could engage two or more gears at the same time and blow up the gearbox. but it's no different from a dct btw
Christian himself has said many times that they want it to be true to the manual experience, hence why you can stall it.
If you engaged 2 gears with different ratios it would simply lock the transmission. But that would require the clutches to handle a huge amount of torque. Realistically they would just slip to a stop
Since you're speaking speculatively, I will too. You most certainly can have a clutch that feels like a hydraulic clutch in every other modern car. You would just use valves. So the computer types flow to the clutch you want to control with the clutch using valves. You could also have a hydraulic clutch with a pot on the end, that sends electronic signal to the clutch, but it still feels like any other hydraulic clutch. Sorry of like how some electronic brakes work.
@@Skelterbane69 cool. maybe it will have different settings though
@@thelastwoltzer you are right the gears are always engaged so most probably it would only damage the clutches.could be expensive to repair , but under warranty since it would be a defect
I will probably never warm up to drive by wire steering but this... THIS right here... is fawking brilliant. This is a step above my highest expectations for the evolution of the manual transmission. I can only pray that this patent gets licensed to porsche and other top tier brands.
Im praying with you
Appreciation to you for the kind of approach that you have towards delivering the information. Throughout the video I was really confused as to how you labeled the gears and wanted to comment on this but at the end you admitted that the labelling was random and done for simplicity. Hat's off to the precision and dedication with which you make these videos. I have learnt a lot from your videos for so many years and would like to thank you for it. You earn respect from the community with your down-to-earth nature and consistency. Thank you once again.🙏
I feel like this should be the future of enthusiast cars. One transmission covers auto and manual buyers, can hit fuel economy standards still without super tall manual gears, and you can protect the car from money shifts.
One thing that I have done plenty of times on a manual transmission vehicle is push start, or coast start. Turn the key ob, put it in third, step on the clutch, get er rolling and pop the clutch. I wonder if you could do that with this automatic manual transmission still? Based on guessing how it works with automatic clutches then I'm going to say no. That's one of the perks of having a manual transmission.
@@keithyinger3326 You can't even do that with any modern traditional manuals. Nearly every manual car these days requires the clutch to be depressed to start. Regardless of engine turning
@KeithYinger
Back in my day I could start a car without moving at all, all I had to do was to spin a crank at the front.
(this is a joke)
@@ventzp2133 this is true they require the clutch pressed in for the electronics to turn the starter. However if you're not relying on electronics to turn the starter motor, then that circuitry doesn't matter. My previous truck was that way. In order to turn the key and start it, yes you had to have your foot on the clutch, even if it was in neutral. Many times though I parked on a hill and coasted down to get it started. As long as the key is in the On position, it will work.
@@Appletank8 lol.. hey my grandpa had a tractor like that. And his original farm truck "The Grey Bomb" was its name, had a hand crank.
I love the retro supercar look of the CC850, and also a very interesting gear box design from Koenigsegg.
I think the general concept is very similar to their Free Valve tech, which also uses electronics control to simplify mechanical parts.
It's like a dual clutch transmission but you can now jump gears.
Kinda feels like the engineers just brute forced through the design problems by giving every gear a clutch.
@Holden Burke Modern automatics in passenger vehicles and even some semi-trucks have 7+ clutch packs and go hundreds of thousands of miles without ever changing the clutch packs. With wet clutches there is very little wear with regular maintenance (i.e. changing the transmission fluid).
Brute forced is a good word for their gearbox
@@Kyriaeus Same deal with the VAG DSG transmissions - wet clutch, long life. At the end of the day heat is just as detrimental to them as friction is, and the fluid helps cool the surfaces.
@@SOHCGT96 if you get a wet clutch to burn out, you have done many things wrong xD and using the clutch heats up the transmission - nice benefit in winter for reduced hydraulic resistance lol. At least I would say it to the "green/eco" society xD
Excellent video, Jason! Mind-blown doesn't even describe how I feel from such a small car company and almost a single [VERY smart] man. What companies with billions of dollars in annual revenue haven't done, he's done. Let's all be honest here: any that loves manual transmissions and is sad to see them disappearing, any sort of innovation is HIGH LY welcome. I was thinking the same as Jason about mid-way thru: just about everything has been throttle-by-wire since circa 2010, some much sooner. As long as the feel as the right, it gives more advantages like tuning; throttle pedal can feel "laggier" in "eco" mode, "normal" in "normal" mode, "sportier" and "sport mode", and the most aggressive in "track mode," with any other combination available as well depending on application (e.g. different tiny changes in various modes of off-road enthusiast vehicles like a Jeep Wrangler).
Me personally, the only thing I would change is have manual mode grab these gears: 2-3-4-5-6-8 as typically a gear change at mid-upper range is a smaller drop, so less felt, even if it does technical hurt some top-end performance on the track. That, or again with everything being "by wire," an eco mode would allow for 2-4-5-6-7-9 so that that top gear can get grabbed for fuel economy on the highway.
Koenigsegg, keep making Mercedes and the other "best engineering" companies look like child's play -- I LOVE IT!!
A proper manual transmission like the one in my Mustang GT is much more reliable than Koenigsegg's "super car". Koenigsegg's trans is more complicated and less reliable than a modern automatic and close to the complexity of a duel clutch automated manual trans...
In short Koenigsegg made a Rube Goldberg design for the ultra wealthy but it will suck to own like all so called "super cars". As the best reliable performance car used to be the 911, but now is cars like the Mustang GT, due to the over complexity...
I hope this becomes industry standard.
I know it won't because it would be incredibly expensive and totally not worth it for just about every car on the market.
But there's nothing worse than looking for a new car, finding one that you like a lot, then finding it doesn't come in manual or automatic (whichever you are looking for) so you have to look for something else.
This gearbox should be put in motorcycles, so we could get rid of the annoying ones they have today.
I would hate this. I love my old school manual transmission. Part of the feedback I get from driving a traditional manual is the feeling on the shifter of the synchromesh lining up. You're not going to get that with an electronic selector.
@@nhytg376tgyuu765gjmg You're crazy, the sequential dogbox transmission on a real motorcycle is about the best thing about riding a motorcycle. Don't even need to use the clutch if you know what you're doing after you get moving, lightning fast and in no way like clutchless shifting a syncromesh transmission...
@@pontiacg445 the backlash in the gearbox on MC's is extremely annoying. When you let of throttle and give throttle there's a very obvious lag. That's because the holes in the gear needs to be much larger then the recieving dog tooth itself for the gear shifting to work smoothly. But it's a massive drawback in my book.
@@nhytg376tgyuu765gjmg Well, we have 2 x DCT Honda's at home, which are pretty close to this as it is........
This is brilliant engineering and perfect for this channel. Since clutch packs are consumable parts, id be curious to know how long these last. The 7 clutch packs definitely wont wear at the same rate since youll be using some gears more often than others and some clutch packs will be controlling more torque, I wonder if all the clutch packs are the same or if some are beefier than others based on the gears they control...Also replacing these clutch packs means tearing down and disassembling the entire transmission, I cant imagine how expensive that would be, but I guess if you can afford the car you can afford the maintenance
I'm sure the clutches that the computer controls that engage when the driveline is not engaged can be smaller/less durable. The actual clutches that your foot is controlling are probably much beefier and last longer. This is a Koenigsegg though. 5000 mi is considered high mileage so I don't think these will be 100,000 miles service intervals lol
Way too many grammar mistakes bro it’s impossible to read since I have OCD
@@travisb9130 The clutches that you control and that the computer controls are the same. There is only one set of clutches
my guess tbh is that it's not going to last that long at all. Given the fact that a single clutch failing means you need to replace it, and that there's 1300hp going through this transmission, I think reliability could very well be a huge concern with this car.
I think that's just the nature of these super high end cars though, despite the super high price tag, they aren't actually much more reliable than a cheap car tuned with an oversized turbo.
I could be wrong though. I wouldn't be that surprised if I found out that the torque is balanced over several clutches in a way that reduces wear and makes them relatively extremely reliable. I do agree though that repairs are probably a nightmare.
If you are concerned by cost or reliability and you purchased a koni you bought the wrong brand
In one of the many interviews he did, the CEO did confirm that the gear selector prevents money shift. It actually reminded me of another video you did explaining that it could be something that manufacturers could do but most likely won’t because of cost.
Thank you for explaining this, I saw the gear shifter on IG and immediately wondered how it worked, a few days later this video shows up ! Great work, as always !
This is one of the coolest mechanical innovations I've seen in automotive for a while!
Impressive engineering. Great job Jason ! I was waiting for that since it hit the news
I've always thought about how this is possible with a traditional automatic just by varying that clutch pack hydraulic pressure. I think it definitely qualifies as a 'real' manual, just wish we'd see it in cheaper cars lol
If you did variable slippage in traditional automatic clutch packs, you'd burn them out very quickly. They are designed for rapid engagement, with a very short slip duration. You'd have to redesign everything to get gradual engagement/disengagement (need longer travel for gradation). You'd be better off replacing the torque converter with a clutch assembly, and make the clutch packs engage/disengage as fast as possible.
Yeah for sure lol this transmission is probably $200,000
@D777ST Then why haven't they done it yet?
@@srinitaaigaura Because they are too busy making money from 50-60 year old designs, or at least concepts that are as old. Auto makers also don't want to have to pay licensing for any patents they don't own.
@@transtubular Most auto-makers don't get hypercar ROIs. There is a reason 3 car majors own almost 60% of all brands. A design like this is more cost than its worth. Especially as manual share of new vehicles are in decline YOY. The maintenance cost alone for such a transmission means most people wont buy and most car makers will not risk the sell.
Thank you so much. When I read about the car, the first thing that came to my mind was that I wished for an explanaiton of how the transmission works. Perfectly explained 😍
Glad you are the one to explain this to us. There is no way anyone else could have made it as clear as you did 👍🏽
I just love it... The Stick Shift ain't dying... I love the Manual
stick shift is dead. this is an automatic gearbox with a lot of work put into it to give you a manual mode that costs an arm and a leg. there is a reason nobody else does it. and probably nobody else will do it. manual does not make any sense. is not fast, doesnt give bette throttle or overall control of the car... is just a gimmick nowdays and nothing else.
@@catalinxnecula over half of all GT3 sales in America are with the manual. It’s not dead.
@@catalinxnecula a manual transmission is one more step to a car being more analog, which is always a positive for driver engagement. Everyone focuses on speed instead of the feel, and I think that’s because one is easier to quantify than the other. Passion for cars is derived from how they make us feel, and that feeling doesn’t always come from speed or technology. The manual is far from a gimmick, regardless of its future.
Edit: I am absolutely biased. Just got home from one hell of a drive through the twisties in a 1991 Miata. The fastest the speedometer read was 70mph, yet I have the biggest and stupidest grin on my face as I type this.
@@squidwardshouse67 This is not a manual shifter. It is simply electronic control of hydraulic clutches. If you really wanted to simplify things, it's just electronic control of a normal automatic gearbox. The gear shifter is not connected mechanically to the gearbox in any way.
They are such an amazing sports car company. They strive on so many different fields - top speed, transmissions, hybrid cars,... They always bring something new to the table when rhey release a car.
Great video, I almost didn't watch it because I was afraid it would be too complicated to understand, but it turns out you did an amazing job at simplifying and explaining how this works. Thanks a lot
It's amazing how someone without an engineering degree built a company that leads out of the box engineering solutions in an incredibly interesting way!
He surrounded himself with passionate, smart people. And takes their advice
This is only a "solution" to the "problem" of stronger and more reliable clutches and transmissions. Replacing one strong and reliable clutch with 7 weaker clutches is a step backwards.
The first manual I owned had all rod links from the shifter and the clutch pedal. The clutch linkage utilized a bellcrank. The shifter was a Hurst, with adjustable stops at seven points. I could have built the whole thing in shop class with a band saw and a drill press.
1973 Chevrolet Camaro RS/SS. The feel was incredible.
Huh, every classic muscle car I've driven has SO much slop in literally every control, steering always being the worst. Glad you got a good example!
@@RhodokTribesman Haha yeah, I had a 2000 Camaro and 3rd gear throw was so long you punched the radio controls every time you shifted into it!
They probably build it that way in their factory back then 😂😂
Just imagine one of those in full manual mode! Would be perfect for F&F movies and finally shifting scenes will be accurate :)
Oh, they'll still go through 30 gears and take five minutes to complete a drag race.
Hell they shift more than I do in my 18 wheeler with a 10 speed 😆
I've driven a dump truck for work with a compound 8 speed (separate 2 and 4 speed gearboxes). It has 2 shifters and can be a 2-hand operation at times. Those guys still shift more than I do going from 0 to 45mph in 7th.
Finally they can shift through the gears and it actually being accurate to real life :D
Been waiting for this!
You do such an excellent job in your descriptions. Thank you
Genius. Koenigsegg do not stop to amaze me with their innovations!
Hot rodding isn't dead! The internal combustion engine has a future! Love the power flow diagram. I'm a mechanic, I can't get enough of the mind blowing engineering from manufacturing in the automotive industry. I should have been an engineer!
The ICE engine has a solidified future well into the ~2100s, even if fossil fuels are banned in the near/mid-future, cos Porsche is working with Siemens on e-fuel, a gasoline with the same properties as fossil fuels, yet produced by renewable energy. :) So, car enthusiasts get to keep the ICE in the electric era.
Konigsee with their futuristic transmission, Porsche with their green gasoline, VW with their electric bus, Bugatti with their 500 km/h Chiron, Mercedes with their driverless trucks, what's not to love about European sports car company innovation?
The bit at the end were Jason kind of apologizes for the lack of accuarcy of his whiteboard drawings is kind of sweet. You just explained a rather complex gearbox I haven‘t even heared about, you really don‘t need to downplay yourself. Great explanaition!
Thank you sir. I absolutely love listening to you. You can take something absurdly complex, and make it all simple to understand. Most engineers are powerfully boring to listen to. For whatever reason, I can watch an entire video without zoning out or falling asleep.
would love to see this filter down to affordable enthusiast cars
Marine transmissions have used this design for years but only with 2-3 gears.
Typically they only have a forward and reverse with the same ratio that will change gears using a valve body and hydraulic clutch packs. Some high speed boats use a second forward gear that also has its own clutch.
Plenty of construction and agricultural machines use the same style
@@georgies405 in Ag we call them Power Shifts its the standard on all large tractors other then Fendt they use CVTs on everything from there tiny vineyard tractor to there massive 670HP twin track monster and now CVTs are starting to take over.
Ive been pondering this for a while. Based on a dual clutch trans. This is an much more elegant system than i could thing of, of course. I like it
Fantastic explanation, love the concept of this, looks awesome. Have tried paddle shift on an M6 and absolutely loved it. Paddle/auto for me is the way to go!
People don’t like “by wire” because their experience with it is thru something like a Prius or even your Crosstrek where the car is clearly doing things that are disconnected from your inputs. If we all had Koenigseggs instead I think we wouldn’t mind.
Okay you had me until you started throng shade at the GOAT. Long live Crosstrek!
@@EngineeringExplained 🤣
@@EngineeringExplained The Crosstrek has a similar 0-60 time as a goat.
@@sirchippyton lmao
My first expérience whit drive by wire was almost 20years ago and felt like that.
This is absolutely fascinating and EXACTLY what I expect to see on this channel :) Nice Jason!
Just seen the car in person. Words can’t express what I saw. Got pictures with it. Gorgeous
Incredible.. seeing Christian von Koenigsegg explaining their new automatic/manual transmission amazed me, but this video explains the engineering wonder they pulled off. Thanks for the clear explanation!
I was waiting for this video since the launch. I knew Jason will make it.🤩
By examining the gear ratios, it's possible to deduce which orders the clutches are used. And it is indeed in the simple order you described in the video, not the more complicated order that you started to describe from 17:37. So essentially it's one gearbox with big steps, in series with a gearbox with steps that is about 1/3 of the other one.
Thanks for confirming. I planned to take a screenshot of the ratios to figure out the internal radios for each of the two sets.
@@perwestermark8920 The way I did it was to put the numbers in a spreadsheet, make a matrix of ratios of gear ratios, and identify triplets of identical ratio of ratios.
r1/r2 = r4/r5 = r7/r8 = ratio between gear 1 and 2 in the small step gearbox
r2/r3 = r5/r6 = r8/r9 = ratio between gear 2 and 3 in the small step gearbox
r1/r4 = r2/r5 = r3/r6 = ratio between gear 1 and 2 in the big step gearbox
r4/r7 = r5/r8 = r6/r9 = ratio between gear 2 and 3 in the big step gearbox
But then I realized that it's possible to see it way easier.
All gear steps are fairly evenly spread out, and that's impossible unless each step in the big step gearbox is larger than the full range of the small step gearbox.
If there's not that distinction between big and small step gearbox, there would be smaller gaps between the gears in the middle of the range.
Dang, that’s some impressive work on both Koenigsegg’s and your part! Great presenting on a really great subject!
Some syncro's are nonetheless more than cone clutches , some are toothed . The system to chose which clutch/syncro is very interesting . Controlling the shaft speed/engine speed w/o a flywheel is also interesting .
I would love to see a video on why automatic transmissions have issues if theres a little bit too much fluid in them.
probably the best whiteboard description of how transmissions (manual) work that i've seen on the iwebs. The Koenigsegg transmission is pretty frigging complex and busy but boy is it beautiful!
This guy is a very good presenter, clear, concise, well thought out production skills. As far as the transmission, I want one for my Samurai.
It would be really cool if this same mechanism can be used for traditional DCTs. That could mean that you can have a similar system for more 'budget' cars in which this could be much more useful.
I'd love to have this, but I've a hard time believing 7 (or even 5) clutches would be remotely feasible on a budget.
Initially this per gear clutch system is what I thought was how the Volkswagen DSG transmission worked. Later I learned it uses a two input shaft/two clutch pack at the flywheel to make its magic work, but in my own head I was still impressed by the per gear concept.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one thinking along those lines and someone was able to make the concept a reality.
😅 yes you thought of this system before Koenigsegg. You must be a very smart person.
Most Honda automatic transmissions work this way with individual clutches replacing synchronizer assemblies.
You should go after them for ip theft.
Excellent explanation! When i watched Christian von Koenigsegg explained I barely understood the idea of how it works. On a concept level I kinda got it. I had no problem understanding the result and why it was do amazing.
After watching this it was clear on all levels. Not only the idea but actually how it works. The explanations of Christian himself made more sense too, just by watching you explain.
Now I appreciate the design and attention to detail realizing it to an end user experience even more. Thanks for great, great video!
That is pretty slick. So its essentially ready to couple every single gear at any moment. No moving syncros or forks to get damaged. Simply a clutch to engage or disengage each speed
Actual shifter with a clutch pedal that actually controls the clutch in a linear fashion, what’s not to like? While I kind of got it, thank you for clearly explaining how it works!
I would LOVE this transmission in my GT350. The option to have a manual to keep with the nature of the car, but then leaving it in 9A for absolute performance (the 6spd leaves a lot on the table in terms of acceleration vs the 10r80 or gt500 DCT)
I think manual mode is as fast as auto mode because of shift by wire, but take this with a grain of salt
@@mellopelas2857 no, because it simulates conventional manual shifting. So it's as fast as a regular manual transmission, or as fast as the driver is i guess.
Unless you're a competitive race car driver, and the car is going to be used as such, manual is the way to go. Anyone who avoids manuals because they don't know how to drive them, just take the plunge. I learned to drive stick on the way home with the first manual car I bought.
@@danmac6185 lol basically. I showed up and bought my e92 m3 6mt and figured it out on the way home. Did the same with my first R6. Dive in 😂
ESS transmission is just out of this world. This was well explained.
One of your best “Explained” ever! Thanks!
That is absolutely glorious!!! I love the idea of this version of an auto with manual mode. Or as I would prefer to think of it, a Manual with auto mode.
Looking forward to aftermarket availability for kit cars and builder mods.
I bet you could buy a '23 z06 corvette for the price of this transmission.
Nope it‘s still a automatic with manual mode. As everything is controlled by wire the H pattern can be replaced by paddles and the clutch can be automated (also triggered by the same paddles)
In manual mode you could use the 'automatic gear' as a 9th gear for cruising fast. You shouldn't be able to feel it's in automatic until you push the pedal down - but for that case you should already have shifted 'down' to lets say 4th gear.
I was thinking the same thing, it’s technically a 7 speed manual that way with a highway gear added to a close ratio manual, which would make it fun to drive. Obviously it’s a super car so it is, but if it’s applied in a Honda Civic it would still be a lot more fun in my eyes
I wish this transmission was a option in all vehicles its the best of both worlds i love manuals
Nice explanation.This company is on the leading edge of new tech.The Freevalve engine is another example of how far ahead this company is in new technology. Really amazing.
Leave it to K to once again create something amazing.
Every car, and even engine valve electromagnetic actuation to eliminate camshafts and provide limitless tuning variations.....Christian's company is tops.
The manual should never die. This is one of the best videos in a while.
it should, automatic is better
As soon as I saw this, I was waiting for a video on how it works. Never disappoint!
Thank you so much for making a video on this. When Christian 1st revealed it, it was such a joy. Because thats the kind of stuff I used to think of as a teenager and now it's real. Thank you Mr Koenigsegg, and Thank you Jason for covering this. Now let's see how it works ‼️
Amazing this was developed and put into production. Even at the cost of the vehicles. Konigsegg is really Stark Industries Automotive Division
The perfect transmission. The options of rowing gears when you want to have fun then when your stuck in traffic, throw it in auto.
As soon as this transmission was announced, I was excited to hear your thoughts on it. Cool stuff!
cool stuff, but now imagine what a "clutch job" would be on this :D
$100,000 easy plus shipping your car back to Christian. Just a guess.
Why? Isn’t there a warranty for a car? Or special warranty for such cars? Cuz they cost fortune?
discuss 7 clutches vs. 1. While I'm sure a Koenigsegg wont see 120,000 miles (normal clutch wear and replace) AND a Koenigsegg owner likely wont care about the cost of replacing 7 clutches...the complexity or longevity could introduce quality of shift risks.
However, spreading motor forces across 7 units vs. strictly through 1 unit also may have wear and driveability benefits.
Koenigsegg always making their own box
There are Koenigseggs with 60k+ miles
Wet clutch will last much longer than a dry clutch. Jason was talking about clutches on powerlifting equipments that last very long.
with this type of transmission the clutches don't wear out evenly. And it's kind of early to tell how it's going to be like in the long run. Let's wait until we see jeskos and cc850s with 120k miles.
My bet is that as it happens with conventional transmission synchros, the 1st and 2nd gears' clutches will need replacement sooner than the others
Modern automatics have just as many clutches and generally work fine without ever replacing clutches, so “more clutches = more problems” isn’t a good indicator of longevity. In fact, they work better than DCT’s with only 2 clutches in strenuous conditions (ultra low speed crawling, off-roading, hill starts).
The load is never spread across clutches - they can’t back each other up in any gear. But the same is true for automatics and it’s not a showstopper.
@@Kyriaeus the very popular (and impressive ZP) has 3 clutches so fair point.
your delivery is absolutely awesome - Thank you
What an amazing explanation, even the disclaimer at the end; this guy should be every teacher in every school.
They are the future of automotive engineering, years ahead of the car manufacturers who have been in the business for years, it just shows what happens when a car company is run by an engineer rather than an accountant 🙄
Ya, that is what made Lotus such a great innovator back in the day.
They're not really ahead though. This is quite literally just an automated manual transmission. The only difference between this transmissions and an automatic is the fact that this has a clutch pedal and a fake six shifter for the "manual" mode instead of just paddle shifters or a +/- on the lever. It's all shift-by-wire.
If you know how an automatic Smart Fortwo works, this is exactly how that works- except it has an automatic transmission clutch pack set up instead of just a standard manual single clutch.
One thing I have always wondered about Koenigsegg is that how such a small company has been able not only to bring out so many technical innovations, but hone them into practical, apparently extremely well functioning products. This new gearbox is an example of that. I think that even for a much bigger manufacturers like Porsche and Ferrari it would have been a challenge and risk to develop it. A nice one again, Swedes! Regards from neighbouring Finland.
As always a very good lesson Jason! Thanks for that!
Glad to see you back, Jason.
I like watching videos of cars i cannot affford ❤
Another 1st class video.
Aside from all the engineering that went into this gear box; I view it as an answer to a question nobody asked.
But, I suppose it will be great for the rich posers that will buy this car... and maybe someday drive it. The fact that the transmission is smarter than the driver, mitigating any stupidness.
You seem happy with your life
Can’t hate on the rich posers when they’re the reason this car exists.
This transmission is DOPE! I wish more manufacturers would make one. Props to Koenigsegg 👌🏾
I own a six-speed standard transmission vehicle and when in heavy traffic, my left foot fatigues rather quickly. My car, of course, only has a single clutch, but even so, I find myself wishing for a lighter clutch. Wouldn't having seven individual clutches make depressing the pedal nigh impossible? Or would your clutch pedal be electronically boosted?
Edit: its shift by wire. Next time I'll finish the video before commenting
Maybe You can make it a little easier by greasing the ball-attachement-point that connects the slave cylinder to the lever going into the transmission.
This helped on my 13yo Toyota.
@@tsd560ti6 also try to bleed the fluid i assume that it's connected with your brake fluid and it is a hygroscopic fluid 😖
When In heavy traffic try to keep a few car lengths in front so you can just idle in 1st gear most the time.
How many miles has it got? If its got a few miles on it and its never had a clutch replaced a new clutch may be significantly lighter, as clutches do get stiffer with time as they're work-hardened by flexing in and out.
@@__-fm5qv it's very old
Well done!
Seems even in manual, you can shift without using the foot clutch. When you pull the lever into neutral, it disengages the 2nd clutch, when you select the next gear, it re-engages the 2nd clutch.
I'm 12 but I understood everything. He makes it so understandable its unbelievable. ❤️😎👍
Super informative and entertaining. I never knew about any of this. Live your videos
I like that you could potentially go into a sequential shift mode with no need to press in the clutch on the track. You could select the optimum gear for a corner and rely on the computers to optimize your shifts.
That tech is crazy! Never thought something like this would exist. Always thought about it but never imagined it would actually be made
Mind blown how clever this is, Mind blown again that he is amble to exolain this so well. My mind has blown out of my ears at the fact that I am now able to understand this system!