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Brilliant video Nick. Adams coming on in leaps and bounds. Great team together and when you can do the paperwork and leave The A Man to the job that’s even better! You definitely sound more happy. Can’t say anymore but just letting you know your both doing great. Well done! J
That's the biggest cut out we'd fit for a single phase supply, there's no reason why we'd be upset about this set up.
Very lucky to have Adam. Think he deserves a pay rise. Don’t want artisan to nab him for themselves innit
God no..!
It was common to use a conduit coupling on an armoured gland , with a bush in the board/box to reduce the amount of metal intrusion into the box/board. It's easier in some cases to tighten a bush with a bush spanner than get grips or adjustable spanner on a locknut in tight spaces, especially in cases where more than one cable gland adjacent to others.
Even more so where the box/board had a flanged edge.
In tight spaces, it’s sometimes easier to fix a metal coupler with a male brass bush and connect a metal coupler then SWA it rather than trying to Tighten the hex nut on an SWA gland in a tight enclosure
Hi Nick. Fantastic to see and hear you feeling better!
Using a bush and coupling stops the gland protruding into the box as much if space is tight
Great that you're feeling better Nick and a cracking looking Job from Adam. Although said in jest 'Good boss", clearly you've set a good standard for Adam to work to. Good work all round
You've taught Adaam well Nick, his work is top class, nice and neat, not thrown in random like some bodge & go sparks so you can't trace a c8rcuit without Almost having to rip the fuse box/ consumer unit out to follow the cables back.
Glad to hearing you're firing on all cylanders again Nick. Loved the initial shots of Adam holding the poles and looking at the instructions, been there many times🙂.
Great Video Nick and genius idea with the gazebo. Very neat board Adam, top work!
Glad you feeling better Nick👍😊
Ah, DNO equipment and fuse board in an outside cabinet! Totally normal thing "forever" here in Australia. Nice work Ad!
I've seen it many times (generally on older properties) where you had relatively few circuits. Newer builds are (from what I've seen) moving away from this method, and placing the board in a separate location (generally inside the property close to the front door).
@@voltare2amstereo Yep. We've just gone through a new estate where the meter and solar are all in a group outside - and the DB and final sub-circuits are all in the pantry. It's much better.
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Because In Australia they actually send someone to read the meter.
@@Robert-cu9bm Many states moved to all Smart Meters years ago so the meters self report. No need for someone to read the meter.
Back in the day, it was all manual
You might be surprised to know Nick that DNO's watch these videos and like to see the evolution of skills in Electrician's connecting up
You can get little square plastic buttons to secure the wago boxes with a screw. You have a great team there Adam knows his stuff. Well done great video of a very competent job.
lovely job, well done Adam
Great job Nick and Adam take care and stay safe.
Hey homie ! Not watched one in a while , going to enjoy this one.
You have made it better, made it safer and given a good amount of clearance
Sure. In a money no object, or new build, you could go elsewhere but this is the real world
Looks like a win win to me.
Great video as always guys. I notice you said you were unable to test the lighting circuit. What did you put on the EIC for that circuit?
Great video, you've taught Adam well.
Great Vids nice to see you taking the time to get better very imortant but is it possible to show me how you do the tests as Im just coming up to this in my course thx
Brilliant thanks and thanks for sharing this with us take care
Great job 😎
Hi Nick
I use a pop up gazebo sets up in seconds brilliant piece of kit
Good lad Adam, your a good apprentice, I can see you being given a van and sent out yourself soon, also you should see If you can get one of the telecom engineers tents, they are brilliant
Great videos. I enjoy your channel, keep the good content coming. I run a lot of data cables, I always get sore fingertips for days after. Any gloves you would recommend that give you the dexterity when trying to terminate them?
Seen a fair few of these in my time. Where I can, I put the new board back to back.
I had a similar job. Initially I played by the book, sent pictures showing how I was actually going to create more room and that the old couple who lived in the house couldn’t afford the cost that would be involved to relocate the board.
DNO said no and that they would charge £76 per visit to pull the cutout! 🤔
Long discussion ensued on how, despite their protestations, their operatives don’t don PPE and just cut the seal and remove the carrier. I’ve physically watched them do just that, but font of knowledge on the phone was adamant they don’t. 😂
Long story short I lost the job to another person that just went ahead and changed it in situ. Since then I’ve decided I’ll stop playing by the DNO book and just make sure it’s electrically safe & neat.
There’s a common misconception that the DNO own the cabinet. They don’t, the home owner does. They only own the cutout. Anyone doubting that just ask the DNO to fix a broken one and they soon tell you that it’s not their property.
I’d not lose any sleep over what you’ve done. It’s electrically safe, neat and in no way compromises the ability of the DNO to work safely.
My argument is the DNO doesn't own my under stairs cupboard any more than they own that box.
Cabinet is the responsibility of the home owner.
Cut-out is the responsibility of the DNO.
Meter is the responsibility of the energy supplier.
Main reason the un-qualified is not allowed to pull the fuse is.
The cut-out should be checked for surface voltage, if surface voltage found, you then test with test lamps, the black cut-out mostly, though plastic contain lead.
To the untrained eye there's a lot of potential faults within the cut-out & should be thoroughly checked for said defaults, the fuse carrier & fuse should also be checked together with the terminal blades
@@MT-rc7mv kinda wrong there, much more complicated. On a house sure if its in an external box like this the box is part of the house, but depending on the location size of supply it may be housed in a customer box, a provided weatherproof housing or if inside can just be mounted on a dno owned backboard. The supply cable upto and including the cutout is dnos(unles its a private network, multi occupancy buildings may have this setup and dno will only manage the initial grid connection). The meter is not supplier's, whilst the supplier will arrange works on the customers behalf they arent the ones doing work. The meter will be installed and maintained by the meter operator but may also be owned by yet another company. The mop for domestic is usually picked by suppliers but on comercial supplies are chosen by customer, for the general public this will only really be seen on some larger residential (think rich estates) or farm properties. The world of electricity is a complicated mess.
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If you're paying a standing charge you have no rights in the cut-out. Unless qualified, if you're supply is from your own source & the DNO supply has been completely disconnected, you can let any Tom Dick or Harry work on it, though complications will cost a lot of money if you ever call a DNO out to rectify it
@@MT-rc7mv sure you have no rights to interfere with the cutout however with the supply point in the video the cutout isnt the box on the wall that everything is currently afixed in just the smaller housing the incomming tails are installed into and where the fuse carrier fits. As a customer electrician you shouldnt touch anyhing before the tails coming out the meter. Though i know some do ignore regs and pull the main fuse anyway, usually as they feel its not going to be an issue and dont want to waste time requesting a qualified person to attend to pull them.
I’ve occasionally used a coupler on the end of armoured able simply because I didn’t have a locknut for the gland.
Great video lads 👍🏼
4.00 Ok I’ll come back in half an hour 😂 and see how your getting on
Internal steel mantel cabinet which is similar size will take 11 way wylex plus all dno equipment, but its tight fit
Wouldnt worry one jot over DNO, let them fcuk! Local authority get away with cutting seals, pulling fuses, cutting meter tails and fitting henley blocks when they do these council upgrade programs.
Gold star for Adam, he bought you a whole lot of time to deal with quotes and running the business.
Get a pop up gazebo if its something you're going to use frequently, save time and less bits to lose.
U naughty boy Bundy! Haha
sometimes you don't have much choice, it's obvious that the property will have to be rewired within the next 10 years as there isn't enough provision for the amount of circuits/accessories that are required.
I need something like that gazebo but I would hate to have that one!
Good job, take care and I look forward to the next one.
BTW - Adam is a credit to you and your work ethic, keep up the good work.
Great video 👍🏻
Hi Nick I call those wiska earthing bars “knuckle dusters” 😊
Yeah I do as well 👍
@@acelectricalsecurity I call them brass knuckles when the wholesalers stare blankly at me
@@barnabybot 😂😂
You should get a couple of the portable telescopic stools. Keeps you off your knees. Great for C U changes in a cupboard.
Great video again
So did the DNO seal get cut and the fuse pulled to connect the tails in??
you should definitely take that canopy out when you get back and let it dry out, it's OK to pack it up wet but you definitely don't want to store it wet.
Half the houses in the west midlands have fuseboards originally in the meter box. They are larger than normal though. I genuinely see nothing wromg with a DB in the meter box (in fact I have just put one in for an EV charger this afternoon). As long as you don't crowd the DNO/suppliers equipment what's the issue? And nearly all old london flats have a purpose designed meter box and fuseboard enclosure (Mantel Box).
I used one of those Gazebos, got a call it was levitating 2 foot off the ground in the wind
Get a pop up gazibo you can fudge them to fit any space.
Excellent appreciate 👍🏼
Are you going to get the smaller gazebo? 😆😆😆
I like the Bosch hole saws, the only downside is you can’t put a saw within a saw when you need to enlarge an existing hole.
Put the larger holesaw through a piece of wood or plasterboard, remove the drill bit, and then use the wood or plasterboard as a guide around the old hole
Hi nick....regarding the holesaws going blunt using them on plaster board, I put the drill on reverse till the plaster has been cut through......find they last longer 😉
Question.....curious what the zs reading was on sockets?
Are you into your mountain biking as well dude? Just spotted the Cannock Chase trail maps behind you!
We call the Armour earthing thing a brass knuckle
Hi nick, good job , keep going, that’s it.
Good job, as always you two ! What is the reference of that Brother printer ? It is the one you can link with your phone to make your label easier ? Keep on good content !
I don't know if you can connect with the Phone, but the model is Brother PT-E550W.
Oi Oi Oiiiiiii!! Good work lads, nice smart job for what you had to work with. Love this viddies Mr Bundy, Keep it up!!!!!! Noice.
adam you good job when working in the rain
Can't wait to talk all things electrical. UK vs. USA. See you soon!
Did you fit the new tails into the Henley blocks while they were live? No mention of pulling the fuse and the seals look intact...
No issue doing that if you have live working training, the CU main switch is off (so it won't cause an arc), and you have insulated tools.
@@aaronmdjones Just being a properly qualified electrician should be enough.
You should not be working live on them blocks, and you need to work under a macopa to pull the fuse (which no spark has). what you should of done is call the supplier to pull the fuse or fit an isolation switch, and it should be cut out, meter and blocks only on that board. your mate can't afford to have the consumer unit moved indoors, is not an excuse to fit it on a meter board. Tut tut guys I though you were professionals. 🙄 other sparks will see this and think it's okay. 😔
How about "Brass Knckles"for the brass thing?
Banjo is the word for the Brass Tag
I’ve had to do it in the past, on of them is what it is situation
Been saying it for years why don't the DNO issue or sell 10 audited tag seals where you can register the removal of their seal and the replacement seal. The odd spot check can sort this problem.
Did you check around the cut-out & any exposed metal ie screws securing the meter board for
surface voltage
Yeah, when he got hold of it.
That's why the DNO don't like electricians in their assets, some electricians should never of been allowed on the tools, shoddy workmanship that professionals have to tidy up after they've laid their inconsiderate hands on.
I wish when I started out in the trade I had a boss a 10th as good as you
Take a look at the efixx presentation on this and the ena guidance.
Nothing here that should concern DNO or the mop. Nothing wtong with replacing the consumer unit, infact see this as a decent job cleaning the area up, the multiple smaller boxes that was in place before was a bit of a mess. Biggest problrm with these sort of embeded exterior boxes is the restricted space available, whilst they were fine when originally installed they are far from future proof. And you will find it gets too small for anything larger than whats in there currently, considering our reliance on electrical devices were only using more and are requiring larger supplies in general as time moves on.
11:10 Can't show you the garage for security reasons.... so I'll just leave the door open for you all to see in !! 😆😆
Which podcast?
Pop up gazebos are life savers
Do what like in your own box, fuel prices have risen not sure why the meter rental has doubled tho.
it's what it is you can't make an old installation a new installation, you can only approve upon what's there. unless you are going to go for a practical rewire. i think the biggest problem i've seen is most of those dno boxes are chocked full of boxes and all sorts of things rather than just upgrading the fuse board. so it turns into a we don't to touch that so will add that and that and you know now you're out of room for the DNO Stuff....
You are making me feel old saying you've never seen a BW jonny like that one...... I'm more amazed someone fitted one
Great as always.. just a thought -- the midde red light flashing on the HAN side of the smart meter suggests the battery powred gas meter is not recording back to the mains powered head unit. Had mine do that and didnt realise until the DNO "BG" came and changed it .. apparently it hadnt been recording any gas consumpion back to them for some months, gas meter just showed xxxs and 000s. Wish i had known mid winter when i turned the heat down plus im now on and estimated charge for a time ....worth checking if you dont normally..
Quick one , how come you didn’t needs a isolator ? To get the cables from the fuse box would be live ? Good video 👍🏼
By the looks of it, he just slipped the tails out of the Henley block, so long as the board and everything else is off, risk of arcing etc is minimal. He may have also dislodged the DNO fuse. You can see the security loop is still in place, but there's generally enough excess to pull the fuse (though people tend not to admit to this because DNOs really don't like that).
Big tip, get yourself a decent popup gazebo their not that expensive and you don't have to spend ages putting it together.
Cheaky little IPA there in the background :) deeeelish!
If it started in the DNO it can continue as far as im concerned. If the DNO want it moved let them pay the customers bill for it.
Ah man, you really do need one of the pop up ones! I have a couple, one to go over my mitre saw and another one to go over the work... Brilliant and up in seconds. Glad to hear it's happy days again :-)
When is the label printer bag coming!?
I don't like the condensation issue, maybe a small 50W tubular heater at base of cabinet with thermostatic controller set to 7 /8 degrees Dew point would be Sufficient, obviously separated breaker, RCBO cos of environment. I've done a lot of Remote Cabins /GRP for Welsh Water and that was our solution to stop Condensation also Rust/ Rot over time. Otherwise most informative video and a Good Job by the Apprentice. p.s. their called Earth Bonding Plates.
Hi Nick can you please show the link to Adams channel. I really enjoy your videos. Regards.
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have a look at my linked channels on my page mate
The chuckle brothers gazebo making by day electricians by night 😂🤣👍🏻😃 btw . Nice work Adam .
DNO here….. The box is owned and belongs to the property owner
The earthing ring looks like a knuckle duster
I am not sure what the comments about the DNO are about?
All the DNO are responsible and care about is the cutout, nearly all cutouts in outside boxes are the same size so replacing is not really an issue. Space in boxes is a metering issue.
I was under the impression nothing but DNO bits were allowed in there.... but how do you explain that to the customer when the old cu is already there ?
Yay
Those sheafs are old that's all I removed a lot of them on a job in Derby about 8 month ago
We have exactly the same, fuseboard was put in the meter box when they built the house in the 70s. Crazy thing is it’s a concentric cable that comes down off the pole near the drive cross in front of the house to the meter box on the other side, why didnt they just take it straight up into the garage? Must be a Stafford area thing!
Anyway, it was changed to 17th Ed full rcbo (only 5 circuits) 11yrs ago but box has had water ingress, fixed with one of those fronts that Nick showed before. Probably time for a new 18th Ed board with SPD. More room in the box with the smart meter instead of the old spinning disk job.
The box belongs to the home owner not the DNO !
Nice work lads you built a kite.
Wiska knuckle-dusters :-)
Who does all your editing ?
I do mate 👍
putting that gazebo up you look like Laurel and Hardy
7mins, old style early 80's
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I am wondering as a dutchman,can anybody get acces to this DNO board??I mean,a evil man can swich this board down,or even cut all the wires because he has a trouble with the house owner?
I guess anybody could gain access to the box but I’m pretty sure that any sabotage would amount to criminal damage?
Tell to the DNO to go and have a Lolly pop
Shared neutral? Why dont you just wire a cable from down stairs light to upstairs light. Not that hard and its a proper job.
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Wago Knuckle Duster ;)
why isit outside when cu should really be inside!
You've only replaced what was already there so no problem for me.