The 1% of insight I've gotten from psilocybin was learning the lesson of being humble, and look at everyone as fragile individuals, with no exceptions. You, your friends, your enemies, even your mother and father are just as lost and confused and in need of love.
@@v1ktorr124 eating mushrooms that will fucking kill you.... ancestors tested the poison mushrooms first and died and passed this info on to future generations... simple stuff man, that's why we eat certain mushrooms now a days. They won't kill you.
I was having this constant and unbearable anxiety because of university stress. Not until I came across Ted Winston, a very intelligent mycologist, He saved my life honestly.
"Yeah man my DMT trip was powerful, it really made me think about what I am and I reached this point where all my higher order function stopped, and I was just this pure consciousness. I've really been reevaluating my entire life..." "Hey Jaime pull up that picture of that naked chimp... Man look that thing is fucking jacked, did you know they eat monkeys?"
It really is. If you haven’t already done so, you might be interested in checking out some of the work of an early-ish 20th century psychologist called Wolfgang Köhler and/or the contemporary neuroscientist Vilayanur Ramachandran, who’ve both written about the subject. Köhler in particular carried out a famous experiment involving onomatopoeia. I Googled for a description of the experiment; this is a direct quote from an article: Köhler drew two random shapes: one spiky and sharp, the other flowing and rounded. He then asked subjects to guess of these shapes which one was called “kiki” and which was called “bouba.” The results were very clear: 95-98% of subjects identified the sharp shape as “kiki” and the rounded shape as “bouba.” (Fascinatingly, autistic individuals make this match only 56% of the time.) clarkesworldmagazine.com/hoffman_01_13/
@Elementary Watson Except that’s part of why I specifically suggested looking at Ramachandran as well, because he (and others) continued Köhler’s work on the subject. Among other things, Ramachandran repeated the experiment with native Tamil speakers in India and got the same results. Other researchers have found the effect/cognitive pattern in very small children and infants. There are plausible evolutionary explanations for why it might be the case - similar to explanations of why the word for mother is either “mama” or something extremely close to “mama” in so many languages - but of course culture will always build on whatever evolution has started.
@Elementary Watson Yes, I’m familiar with best practices in research methodology. Have you actually read any of the studies on this subject? It’s not as if I’m running through the full body of research for the purposes of this thread. And I’m not claiming - nor do Ramachandran or Ozturk or any of the other scientists who’ve studied the topic, as far as I’m aware - that we know conclusively what’s going on. But at present the body of research supporting the hypothesis that this could be a universal feature of human cognition outweighs data to the contrary. The work with infants is especially interesting, since it suggests the sound-meaning ties are factory settings to some degree. So there’s a plausible evolutionary explanation and a body of research with more support for than against the idea... Is that still speculative? Absolutely. But acknowledging the lack of certainty is _very_ different than dismissing it entirely as “complete BS.”
@@seraeggobutterworth5247 Stop wasting your time on this guy...He's totally ignorant and wants people to see how cool he is by being an asshole. I found your comments really interesting bro.
flbmx98 yo I’ve literally had this idea. If monkeys were sort of intelligent and psychedelics brought human intelligence to become an apex predator than what if dolphins on psychedelics can evolve into a marine being with equal or greater intelligence than that of humans. We are the intelligent beings of the land, imagine if there was an equivalent species for the ocean.
I heard our brains evolved from us having to learn to become bipedal, letting us have two extra arms that could do there own things. Then when we tried to have babies the heads would be to big so we had to evolve to have babies even sooner. Like deers and horses are born knowing how to walk, but human babies can only eat on their own. So we had to learn to teach, train, and protect the young. And the best way to do that was by creating a lil village.
so one day, we just became bipedal? and then we said- wtf is going on?! we need to figure this out! Not fully convinced and sorry for the oversimplification
@@Xeineos_TK Darwin’s theory of natural selection has been practically proven to not work. Random mutations in the cells that either hurt or help the animal just doesn’t work. If you look at a bat, they don’t use their eyes, they have special noses specifically designed to help them find stuff in the dark. So based on Darwin’s theory. The bat randomly lost its eyes, then randomly acquired the ability to echo locate. Then randomly evolve the perfect body for flying and catching bugs while blind. It just doesn’t work. There’s sum more to evolution that we still don’t know. Darwin was on the right track tho.
Not that use of such substances gives real insight into the evolution of the human brain, but they do however seem effective at leading many people into believing shit simply because it was the product of a hallucinating mind and these same people are seemingly desperate for some sort of deeper meaning in the shit the see when fucked up. I have tried multiple psychedelic substances and none have deluded me into believing they have any ability to do anything beyond get people high.
Adam Hurst take more then. 5.5 grams of mushrooms and an ego death later and I’m no longer an atheist. Everything is subjective, but don’t expect to take one gram of shrooms and have this out of body experience where you talk to god. I promise, if you did any substantial amount, you’d be feeling SOMETHING different in your head after the fact
shane hubbard do you honestly think that it should take massive doses of mind altering drugs to validate such things as a deity and/or spiritual existence? I could acquire similar levels of latered states of mind by cutting my wrist and waiting for my brain to start dying. Not that I am condoning either, but neither should be used to soley justify life altering changes in viewpoints and/or ideology.
Adam Hurst It shouldn't, but people's closed mindedness, their willful ignorance of new and complex ideas is one of the things that is holding us back as a species, among other things. "That concept is scary and they don't teach that in my government sponsored public school, better troll the comment section."
“And in fact, there is a whole tradition of computer engineers using psychedelics going all the way back to the 50s” As a CS student, I can’t blame em.
this video gave me the idea to write about this topic for my anthropology class. S/o Joe Rogan for inspiring people to become educated on obscure topics
Academic prowess is definitely an indicator of intelligence. The question is if everything we label as intelligence is of the same nature. Knowledge of physics doesn't necessarily give you any deeper insight into metaphysics.
Psychedelics gave me a personal insight that I can't imagine I would have discovered otherwise. They helped me understand what's important in life and who I truly am. They helped give me direction and meaning. On a personal level psychedelics can be very beneficial.
The part where they talk about mushrooms potentially allowing for language made me think of a monkey, just making monkey noises, then taking a bite out of a psychedelic mushroom and just going "what the fuck, dude?"
I'm watching this high and realized how truthful Joe is about psychedelics.Seem to listen to them with a different view right now. Open and thoughtful.
I be inventing shit when im stoned... Shit makes sense when im stoned. When i get stoned i feel like i tap into this source of untapped wisdom and knowledge.
Can it be argued that, back in the Stone Age, those who tried psychedelics had a mental advantage over those who didn’t, and therefore had a more creative way of surviving, and ultimately pass THEIR genes on instead of those who didn’t use psychedelics
No I disagree because wouldn’t that same logic apply to us and also most people in today society who dose drugs fall behind but this is an interesting debate but a really hard one because I never thought of this topic
@@Subcribe409 There's a HUUUGE difference between how life worked at that time and how it works now. Its not about surviving and passing the genes anymore. So no, it does not apply the same way
"How did it get into the genes?" Terence specifically addresses this question early on in his book "The Food of the Gods." McKenna acknowledges that it would be preposterous to assert that eating a plant or mushroom could alter your DNA in your lifetime such that the adaptation is passed on to offspring. He argued, however, that individuals who ingested these compounds in their lifetime created for them selves an adaptive advantage such that the selective landscape changed for the rest of the population. Genetic variations that organically mimicked the advantages endowed by artificial compounds were selected for through environment pressure. Higher visual acuity, creativity, abstraction, were all advantageous to hominids that ingested these compounds, as they would be for hominids who had genetic tendencies towards those same advantages. As an analogy, if today it were advantageous for a group of athletes to take steroids, their kids wouldn't be stronger. However, they would be fundamentally altering the selective landscape such that other kids with naturally occurring mutations that produced the same benefits as steroids (just strong kids) would be selected for in the gene pool. Like "natural steroids". McKenna is arguing essentially that the natural human mind now may be similar to an ape on shrooms, like the kids who are naturally strong, our minds are naturally like tripping apes all the time.
Yeah Na. Genetic variations that mimiced the purported advantages that psychedelics induced would be selected for, regardless of whether psychedleics were present or not. It's hard to see that, for example, visual acuity would not be selected for in any evironment with lots of predators and prey. Same for creativity and abstraction etc. The suggestion that stoned apes somehow altered that selection process for non-stoned apes seems like a real stretch, and needs some hard evidence. At the moment it just sounds like a lot of conjecture and hand waving. If psychs genuinely made stoners better adapted, then the only sure thing it would select for is a liking for being stoned. In fact, if being stoned was a shortcut to being better adapted, it would slow the evolution of other routes to better adaptation because it would reduce selective pressure on those other routes because those individuals wouldn't need them to be well adapted.
Not that I believe in Darwinist evolution at all, but I will enlighten you to a point that even the most ardent adherents miss concerning a huge, huge point about evolution in general. No species "adapts" particularly to an environment. No organism alters its dna to flourish within a hostile realm. No: 99% of the species die out because of a hostile environment, where the 1% who had mutant dna BEFORE THE FACT survive. Not because they adapted, but because they were the "retards" of the current species. They had excess fur in the desert heat and could barely live until the ice age came and their brothers couldn't cope, but they could. That is how true "evolution" and "adaptability" works. You don't just change your hair color and height to cope. It's the oddballs that were different from the status quo that NOW have an advantage that procreates the new generation. That's why you can shit-can all the hoodoo about Greenland sharks "adapting" to icy depths or lemurs now sleeping in a different tree as an evolutionary advantage. It's crap from jump-street. Laughable that the pseudo-scientists criticize the other pseudo-scientists for not being open-minded enough. And they permeate these JR podcasts. Everyone tries to get a leg up, but they are all full of menudo.
@@shanefelkel9966 Dude, that *is* Darwinian evolution. No one worth their salt in science refutes that. You have DNA. DNA sometimes mutates, but (in sexual reproduction) always scrambles a bit to increase genetic changes. Variants are born (evidence: children are not identical to their parents or siblings). In good times most have babies who have babies, in bad times most don't. If you live, you either A: were lucky or B: did some unknowable thing(s) right. Either way, you have more babies who have babies than others, which means your DNA is now in more things relative to everyone else. Repeat this a few thousand times (and start doing it several trillion times at once for all the life there is with different DNA) and after a while, some things change. Dunno about what's going on with Greenland sharks, but regarding your comment on Lemurs, there's a such thing as "behavioral adaptation". Living things have evolved the capability to variate what they do since it's better than waiting around to die because your arms are too short to reach the good fruit. Most times this variation doesn't work and they die or don't reproduce anyways, but every now and then someone sleeps in a wrong tree and doesn't die and lemurs start to take a hint that maybe that tree's actually better than the old kind. Evolution, the variation and competition, happens in genes and behavior in the same way it happens in human culture, capitalism, your own personal growth, so on, so forth. You fling a bunch of mud against the wall, 99 times it doesn't stick, but 1 time it does and you take very good note of it.
@@elchapo6732 Not what I meant. "Having babies who have babies" was a way of saying "having reproductively successful offspring". The reason I emphasized that instead of just saying "having offspring" is because having fertile offspring is essential to a species' success. Even If a lifeform produces offspring that survive and thrive into adulthood, if that offspring can't reproduce, their genes don't propagate and the parents are functionally evolutionary failures.
It's not the effect of being stoned what changes genes, but the actual practices (tools, language, creativity, wondering) and their repetition, and the effect these have in lives (better houses, more and better food, laughter, joy, etc..)
In his first two assertions that McKenna wasn’t entirely convinced, (he wrote an entire book on it). And that it had an effect on us genetically. In the book it goes on to state that low dose use caused better hunters and more mating causing users to out populate the rest and then went on to describe the formation of tribalism and the destruction of ego that allowed users to flourish during resource hardships. The “genetic process” he’s referring to is natural selection.
do psychedelics give you higher insight or do they make you want to talk about psychedelics all the time? I've never met someone that uses them that has anything interesting to say other than how interesting psychedelics are.
@@haidengeary8277 Well it is, it would just take an incredibly long amount of time, and at that point it would be difficult to distinguish between the drug as the contributing factor and any number of other things
yeah dude. the original definition (which still has a theme with the internet meme) that that incel atheist guy coined. Charles Dawkins or whatever. He said memes = ideas passed down by words, not genes. Basically the opening scene from Inception. Then he said he was big gay for flying spaghetti monster and Christians are bad because they don't eat their hair or whatever.
@@aidanriess4946 nah he's good. he was referencing Always Sunny with "shut up bird". made me laugh. besides, i forgot what this was all about but i made myself laugh @ "because they won't eat their hair". I might have been drunk.
He mentioned how the genes are actually changed. I think in the individual that consumes them, you can get epigenetic changes where genes are turned off or on like a switch but these wouldn’t be heritable changes as it not at the germ line level. Unless there is some genetic change at the germ line level, which would be interesting to study!
idk ive done shrooms consistently over the last 15 years of my life before i knew about the stoned ape theory, and its detached me from all the social norms really improved my life in a major way, and has really made me a better person and when i do them like twice a week for the last 15 years my life is enriched, im not wealthy but i just really enjoy being alive every day....
Wait wait so does anyone know if it affected us switching from eating raw meat to cooked meat ? My dog eats raw but if I would give her a cooked meal they wouldn’t be able to digest properly and she would have terrible stomach problems Can someone explain how we survived switching to cooked meat ?
I use to feel paranoid and discouraged using weed but ever since I’ve been watching JRE clips I’m very happy while high and I can meditate while high too
I once was tripping on acid and went on a quad ride with one of my friends and we drove around the farms and it was amazing I felt like I was on an alien planet and that the planet was much smaller and I could also see the curve very weird
LSD & NitrousOxide fuckin crackhead go away with that shit. U get high of of whippets due to your brain not getting enough oxygen and becoming damaged. Shut the fuck up
I learnt more off Joe Rogan pod past more than 12+ years in the education system !!! And I am continuously learning still DAILY, so for that Joe I respect you my friend....
Literally in Mckenna's Food of the Gods: "We are not discussing a biological symbiosis that might take many millions of years to evolve. Rather, we are talking about deep-rooted custom, an extremely powerful natural habit." Michael is clearly not familiar with Mckenna's work.
Averros Apollo Also literally in Mckenna’s Food of the Gods: “The hallucinogenic indoles, unstudied and legally surpressed, are here presented as agents of evolutionary change. They are biochemical agents whose ultimate impact is not on the direct experience of the individual but on the genetic constitution of the species.” So I wouldn’t say Pollan doesn’t understand McKenna’s theory, more like it’s a large and complex set of ideas which makes it difficult to summarise.
I saw this clip when it first came out and I keep going back to it in my mind whenever I get high. I just had to go back to this clip and give my high thoughts on this stoned ape theory. I was thinking what if mushrooms were the "forbidden fruit" talked about in the Bible. The story goes that you'd die if you ate the forbidden fruit (which is possible since some mushrooms are poisonous) and someone (not necessarily a snake) told "eve" to eat the mushroom so she can be enlightened which ended up changing the chemicals in her brain. I'm obviously really high right now but I'll come back to elaborate and fix spelling errors
in one of the removed books of the bible, nit sure which one, but it claimed that Jesus Christ told the apostle that wrote the book that HE was the one who persuaded Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit
That really begs the question, is knowledge good or bad, obviously the bible is a story based on somewhat true events and symbolism but mostly nonsense made up by the church, but if psychedelics really are the forbidden fruit, then science as a whole and knowledge itself is wrong, this proves true because us as intelligent beings, are constantly destroying the very planet we live on and kill each other... All because we developed language and a functioning societal structure all through the use of knowledge. Were we meant to just be stupid like all the other animals? Or were we meant to solve the secrets of our universe
I like this. If you take a heroic dose of mushrooms you experience ego death (a phrase that doesn't do the experience justice). When you come back from it your mind is blown wide open. This is my new favorite theory now.
@@Bucketheadhead Well he is GOD. And you aren't and I'm not. So anything we speculate is pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. It is what it is. And no Brett Weinsteins, Jordan Petersons, Charles Darwins, Aristotles, Buddhas, or anyone else's philosophy makes one shit of a difference in the reality of the world. It is just cave (or billboard) graffitti.
After I took LSD couple of times I've learned a lot about my inner self and because I suffer from depression and social fear I started to look differently on the world around me and started accepting who I'am. Now I'm waiting for another trip in a few days after a year or so and I'm so pumped to see how my perspective of the world and it's beauty has changed and I'm always happy to take psychs because I only feel better (in a long term) after taking them. I'm trying to get hold of shrooms but where I live it's hard as fuck, but still I praise what's happening right now. Seeing how finally science is evolving into trying to make psychs help people like me. (disclaimer, I do take meds for my illnesses but when I do drugs I always take a break from them so that they won't mix up that much)
Psychedelics really changed me for the better. Even years after I still have these amazing thoughts and this great need to always evaluate my life and to be at peace with others at all times.
"Is stoned Ape Theory B.S.?" The question of IF neurotropic plants influenced primate intelligence is fundamentally a moot question. This co-evolutionary relationship extends beyond apes to ALL mammals and their variety of intelligent expressions. Flowering plants and mammals co-evolved together from the end of the Cretaceous. The fossil record reveals an increasing diversity among flowering plants and mammals. Many of the secondary metabolites produced by flowering plants, as adaptions for survival, have the same molecular structure to neurotransmitters in the mammalian nervous system.The evolutionary vectors for intelligence in mammals share a co-dependence with flowering plants for subsistence, reproduction, and neurotropic selection. There is no question of "if" neurotropic plants influence the evolution of intelligence in apes. The real question is how. But if we are only examining this relationship between primates and plants, we are still missing the bigger reality of the biological scale of this neuro-chemical integration.
You don't need psychedelics to become a species that can communicate, cooperation in numbers makes it easier to hunt and gather. Why would that not be enough to evolve speech?
It is worth noting that language, and I mean truly understanding, using, and being proficient with languages is a purely human trait. A lot of the studies and experiments involving apes and them learning sign language didn’t have promising results, while it is possible to teach apes that a cup is a, “cup”, their understanding of language basically ends there. Most of the apes that were taught sign language really only used it to demand things like food, toys, to play, or something else. Most of the time they would just sign things like, “I eat”, in an attempt to get food. However, they also typically had no understanding of grammar and interrupted people they were, “talking”, to often. They might sign, “eat I eat”, for requesting food. The apes were basically brute forcing language in an attempt to get what they want, which wouldn’t a problem if they actually advanced in language in any form. They didn’t have any true understanding of language, they didn’t really have any conversations and couldn’t string together many, if any, coherent sentences beyond like 3 words for requesting something.
feel like i should be bald watching this
Matt Brady 😭
Matt Brady I have a Durag on so closest thing to bald
Don’t wanna like this post to keep it 100 😫
😂😂😂
I am bald watching this. It's fucking amazing.
I'm so high and those bald heads are so shiny.
I tried to lower the brightness on my laptop.
Bruh lmao
Lmaao
Was that an attempt at a joke or did you actually?
Kevin Epstein true story bro
TheRealHyperKills alright cool
The 1% of insight I've gotten from psilocybin was learning the lesson of being humble, and look at everyone as fragile individuals, with no exceptions. You, your friends, your enemies, even your mother and father are just as lost and confused and in need of love.
Same experience here brother!!
That's beautiful man, made me tear up.
Nice insight. Can you explain how you saw it?
We’re all hanging on a delicate thread between life and death.
Yes!
“Stoned Ape Theory” Sounds like the religion of JRE.
made me laugh haha
it sounds like a dope rockband name.
What's JRE?
@@jackalope2302 Joe Rogan Experience
@@CornBeefDrums ah, of course
"new memes"
My man
Swifty Unknown I thought I heard him say that
well, an idea or concept that is likely to be passed on and preserved. Not every idea is a meme.
Swifty Unknown dude what is your picture or avatar or whatever it looks dooe is it an anime?
Swifty Unknown "meme" was coined by Richard Dawkins in the 1970s. Don't let yourself think it's from this shitty generation
Swifty Unknown I caught that too
Not calling it "the stoned age" What wrong with them?
great comment
because it wasnt...
Because we’re currently in the stoned age pussy boy
Kevin Epstein facts
@@ThePickles69 i know you were stoned typing that
Imagine some prehistoric human trying to eat some mushrooms then tripping balls and having no idea what’s going on 🤣
Man, he's lucky his ancestors ate the wrong shrooms for him to have a half decent element to eat the right one
@@trashyhobo4957 what 🤣
@@v1ktorr124 eating mushrooms that will fucking kill you.... ancestors tested the poison mushrooms first and died and passed this info on to future generations... simple stuff man, that's why we eat certain mushrooms now a days. They won't kill you.
@@v1ktorr124 that was the best way I could put it. I'm glad someone smarter then me did it better lol
That would suck so much cus a saber tooth would probably eat u while tripping.
Didn't that guy die in the cave when Tony Stark was making his escape
RhaspsoLin LMFAOOO
Lmao
“YINSEN!!!”
💀
Lol
Rogan wants this to be true so bad lol
john is that you?
nate dawg it could be
I want it to be true so bad too honestly
A stoners dream history
@@2greedYSLime , no, this is me, not he...
Drugs and apes? Dude this is the most iconic JRE video ever!
there's a strain of Mushrooms called apes lol
@@granderondeproductions3286 monkeshrooms
@@granderondeproductions3286 😂😂😂😂
OOOH-AGGHHH-AGH...The Joe Rogan Experience
@@granderondeproductions3286where do I find it?
Psychedelics are just an amazing discovery. It's quite fascinating how effective they are for depression and stress..saved my life.
I'm feeling the same way too. I put so much on my plate and it definitelv affects mv stress and anxietv levels
I was having this constant and unbearable anxiety because of university stress. Not until I came across Ted Winston, a very intelligent mycologist, He saved my life honestly.
Yes, he ships discreet and anonymous
sure!! he is the best mycologist i would recommend for you😊
a tip is if you can find someone who sells weed not at a dispensary they usually have people that have some. @@danielbrown776
Why doesnt porn show the camera man or set. Im making a petition to turn the cameras around. Show us the director. Show us the stage crew.😤
#showthefourthwall
they do all the fucking time.
Preach
like porn behind the scenes and bloopers are anything new -.-
They do! But a lot are also amateurs/private couples where there is no fourth wall.
When Darwin said primates were "higher" mammals, this isn't what he meant... ^^
He was probably on lsd lol
LSD wasn't a thing back in Darwin's day.
@@firstlast7294 Acid?
@@firstlast7294 Crack?
Acid.
Joe “Have you heard of DMT” Rogan
"Yeah man my DMT trip was powerful, it really made me think about what I am and I reached this point where all my higher order function stopped, and I was just this pure consciousness. I've really been reevaluating my entire life..."
"Hey Jaime pull up that picture of that naked chimp... Man look that thing is fucking jacked, did you know they eat monkeys?"
Gabriel?
This will never get old
@@2greedYSLime what?
Mpaché
"stoned ape theory" Joe Rogan summarized in three words.
Bro I’m high as fuck as this sent me😭😭😭
These are so interesting. What did Spotify do to my boy. :(
Gave Joe the bag💰
Censorship
Political correctness
Enough “Fuck you money” to not care anymore
Just get Spotify. Costs nothing and you can watch the same shit but you can also lock your phone and just let the audio play
Language as a synesthesia is a very interesting concept.
It really is. If you haven’t already done so, you might be interested in checking out some of the work of an early-ish 20th century psychologist called Wolfgang Köhler and/or the contemporary neuroscientist Vilayanur Ramachandran, who’ve both written about the subject. Köhler in particular carried out a famous experiment involving onomatopoeia. I Googled for a description of the experiment; this is a direct quote from an article:
Köhler drew two random shapes: one spiky and sharp, the other flowing and rounded. He then asked subjects to guess of these shapes which one was called “kiki” and which was called “bouba.” The results were very clear: 95-98% of subjects identified the sharp shape as “kiki” and the rounded shape as “bouba.” (Fascinatingly, autistic individuals make this match only 56% of the time.)
clarkesworldmagazine.com/hoffman_01_13/
@@seraeggobutterworth5247 I love this shit
@Elementary Watson Except that’s part of why I specifically suggested looking at Ramachandran as well, because he (and others) continued Köhler’s work on the subject. Among other things, Ramachandran repeated the experiment with native Tamil speakers in India and got the same results. Other researchers have found the effect/cognitive pattern in very small children and infants.
There are plausible evolutionary explanations for why it might be the case - similar to explanations of why the word for mother is either “mama” or something extremely close to “mama” in so many languages - but of course culture will always build on whatever evolution has started.
@Elementary Watson Yes, I’m familiar with best practices in research methodology.
Have you actually read any of the studies on this subject? It’s not as if I’m running through the full body of research for the purposes of this thread. And I’m not claiming - nor do Ramachandran or Ozturk or any of the other scientists who’ve studied the topic, as far as I’m aware - that we know conclusively what’s going on.
But at present the body of research supporting the hypothesis that this could be a universal feature of human cognition outweighs data to the contrary. The work with infants is especially interesting, since it suggests the sound-meaning ties are factory settings to some degree.
So there’s a plausible evolutionary explanation and a body of research with more support for than against the idea... Is that still speculative? Absolutely. But acknowledging the lack of certainty is _very_ different than dismissing it entirely as “complete BS.”
@@seraeggobutterworth5247 Stop wasting your time on this guy...He's totally ignorant and wants people to see how cool he is by being an asshole. I found your comments really interesting bro.
You should have Adam (psyched substance) in your podcast!
I've never agreed with anything more than I agree with this...
Yoooooooo
PLEASE
More bald guys
faxxx
2:19 casually dropping the word "memes" in its original meaning.
Fun fact: "Le meme" is French for "The same"... True story! ("Le meme chose" means "The same thing")
Joe "my head is shinier than yours" Rogan
Joe "oh yes 100%" Rogan
"Do you believe apes could.." " oh yes 100%"
Idiot
Joe "A buddy of mine" Rogan
Joshua Quijada no u
Joe "uh huh" Rogan😂
Give dolphins shrooms
flbmx98 yo I’ve literally had this idea. If monkeys were sort of intelligent and psychedelics brought human intelligence to become an apex predator than what if dolphins on psychedelics can evolve into a marine being with equal or greater intelligence than that of humans. We are the intelligent beings of the land, imagine if there was an equivalent species for the ocean.
Perhaps they are eating something mildly psychedelic. Could explain some of their intelligence, if there's psychedelics on land why not in the ocean?
scott b interesting
Llama Lulu oh man do i got a story for u
czcams.com/video/prmx0lYBTko/video.html one of my fav videos ever
“Coincide” must’ve been the word on Joe’s Word of the Day calendar
I heard our brains evolved from us having to learn to become bipedal, letting us have two extra arms that could do there own things. Then when we tried to have babies the heads would be to big so we had to evolve to have babies even sooner. Like deers and horses are born knowing how to walk, but human babies can only eat on their own. So we had to learn to teach, train, and protect the young. And the best way to do that was by creating a lil village.
so one day, we just became bipedal? and then we said- wtf is going on?! we need to figure this out! Not fully convinced and sorry for the oversimplification
@@alexanderjosmith it would take place over thousands of years, it wouldn’t happen overnight.
@@Xeineos_TK Darwin’s theory of natural selection has been practically proven to not work. Random mutations in the cells that either hurt or help the animal just doesn’t work. If you look at a bat, they don’t use their eyes, they have special noses specifically designed to help them find stuff in the dark. So based on Darwin’s theory. The bat randomly lost its eyes, then randomly acquired the ability to echo locate. Then randomly evolve the perfect body for flying and catching bugs while blind. It just doesn’t work. There’s sum more to evolution that we still don’t know. Darwin was on the right track tho.
Each mutation is beneficial in its own way that can then be repurposed. Think of birds that evolved wings in order to glide, to then use them to fly.
I much prefer the theory of the Ape on DMT, also named Joe Rogan
that isnt a theory
Comment section is flooded with people that never did psychedelics...be warned
Its also filled with people who do so many mind altering drugs that they now think they are smarter than someone who doesn't
Not that use of such substances gives real insight into the evolution of the human brain, but they do however seem effective at leading many people into believing shit simply because it was the product of a hallucinating mind and these same people are seemingly desperate for some sort of deeper meaning in the shit the see when fucked up.
I have tried multiple psychedelic substances and none have deluded me into believing they have any ability to do anything beyond get people high.
Adam Hurst take more then. 5.5 grams of mushrooms and an ego death later and I’m no longer an atheist.
Everything is subjective, but don’t expect to take one gram of shrooms and have this out of body experience where you talk to god.
I promise, if you did any substantial amount, you’d be feeling SOMETHING different in your head after the fact
shane hubbard do you honestly think that it should take massive doses of mind altering drugs to validate such things as a deity and/or spiritual existence? I could acquire similar levels of latered states of mind by cutting my wrist and waiting for my brain to start dying. Not that I am condoning either, but neither should be used to soley justify life altering changes in viewpoints and/or ideology.
Adam Hurst
It shouldn't, but people's closed mindedness, their willful ignorance of new and complex ideas is one of the things that is holding us back as a species, among other things. "That concept is scary and they don't teach that in my government sponsored public school, better troll the comment section."
“And in fact, there is a whole tradition of computer engineers using psychedelics going all the way back to the 50s”
As a CS student, I can’t blame em.
what's CS?
@@marcoborga6304 computer science
@@marcoborga6304 crap sauce.
@@johnnyblais-kl1hb yummy
this video gave me the idea to write about this topic for my anthropology class. S/o Joe Rogan for inspiring people to become educated on obscure topics
Absolutely dumb if anyone thinks eating mushrooms changes genetic material
yo this is all good and dandy but don't forget jamie got an A in physics
Michael Fenwick hahahahahahahahah! Lol!
Where's Eddie
This guy is bullshit
Why not ask all you geniuses in the comments? Oh yeah that's right...You're subhuman troglodyte conspiratards.
Slows who touched your private places when you were young? You can move on from it and stop projecting your hatred on strangers now, it's okay.
Academic prowess is definitely an indicator of intelligence. The question is if everything we label as intelligence is of the same nature. Knowledge of physics doesn't necessarily give you any deeper insight into metaphysics.
I played a game on my phone while high and beat my high scrore by 17,000
Fin High I had the opposite effect. I ended up making a sandwich in the kitchen
Fin High wow. Just wait till you hit middle school!
improvise adapt overcome!
Bro I taught myself the rubik's cube on mushrooms and less impressively taught myself to juggle on acid lol
that’s crazy cuz i got my line record on touch grind skate 2 while high off my ass
Psychedelics gave me a personal insight that I can't imagine I would have discovered otherwise. They helped me understand what's important in life and who I truly am. They helped give me direction and meaning. On a personal level psychedelics can be very beneficial.
CZcams puts videos on my feed so often that I’m just compelled to watch.. this is one of those videos..
its those kinda memes that psychedelics introduced into culture
MistyMorning glad someon catch that 😂😂😂🙌🏾
meme magic is real
I read that at exactly the same time as he said it. Far out 😆
I was reading this right when he said it.
Cell - MistyMorning
Computer programmers using lsd, since the fifties. Score one for Alex Jones.
The part where they talk about mushrooms potentially allowing for language made me think of a monkey, just making monkey noises, then taking a bite out of a psychedelic mushroom and just going "what the fuck, dude?"
I'm watching this high and realized how truthful Joe is about psychedelics.Seem to listen to them with a different view right now. Open and thoughtful.
For a guy who’s been kicked in the head a lot, Joe sure has a wide breadth of knowledge.
i wouldn't call it knowledge though..theories ..yes
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I be inventing shit when im stoned... Shit makes sense when im stoned. When i get stoned i feel like i tap into this source of untapped wisdom and knowledge.
Me: "What's the weather like today?"
Joe Rogan: "DMT"
This is such a great subject, I have been waiting 40 years for this!
Dawg💀
6:08 "he was a fungi to listen to talk"
STOP 💀
Pathetic
Hahahaha
Jeez some of the comments here :D
Can it be argued that, back in the Stone Age, those who tried psychedelics had a mental advantage over those who didn’t, and therefore had a more creative way of surviving, and ultimately pass THEIR genes on instead of those who didn’t use psychedelics
Perhaps
@@MigorRortis rigor mortis
No I disagree because wouldn’t that same logic apply to us and also most people in today society who dose drugs fall behind but this is an interesting debate but a really hard one because I never thought of this topic
@@Subcribe409 There's a HUUUGE difference between how life worked at that time and how it works now. Its not about surviving and passing the genes anymore. So no, it does not apply the same way
Therapist: joe rogan without headphones dosent exist he cannot hurt you
joe rogan without headphones:
Love Michael Pollan; what an excellent journalist and speaker
At the same time
"He was an incredibly creative person"
"He was high all the time, yeah"
Yeh, do you not think think you can be high and creative?
Fazori nah dummy he’s saying he was probably creative because he was high
most psychedelics increase creativity and productivity
"How did it get into the genes?" Terence specifically addresses this question early on in his book "The Food of the Gods." McKenna acknowledges that it would be preposterous to assert that eating a plant or mushroom could alter your DNA in your lifetime such that the adaptation is passed on to offspring. He argued, however, that individuals who ingested these compounds in their lifetime created for them selves an adaptive advantage such that the selective landscape changed for the rest of the population. Genetic variations that organically mimicked the advantages endowed by artificial compounds were selected for through environment pressure. Higher visual acuity, creativity, abstraction, were all advantageous to hominids that ingested these compounds, as they would be for hominids who had genetic tendencies towards those same advantages. As an analogy, if today it were advantageous for a group of athletes to take steroids, their kids wouldn't be stronger. However, they would be fundamentally altering the selective landscape such that other kids with naturally occurring mutations that produced the same benefits as steroids (just strong kids) would be selected for in the gene pool. Like "natural steroids".
McKenna is arguing essentially that the natural human mind now may be similar to an ape on shrooms, like the kids who are naturally strong, our minds are naturally like tripping apes all the time.
Yeah Na. Genetic variations that mimiced the purported advantages that psychedelics induced would be selected for, regardless of whether psychedleics were present or not. It's hard to see that, for example, visual acuity would not be selected for in any evironment with lots of predators and prey. Same for creativity and abstraction etc. The suggestion that stoned apes somehow altered that selection process for non-stoned apes seems like a real stretch, and needs some hard evidence. At the moment it just sounds like a lot of conjecture and hand waving. If psychs genuinely made stoners better adapted, then the only sure thing it would select for is a liking for being stoned. In fact, if being stoned was a shortcut to being better adapted, it would slow the evolution of other routes to better adaptation because it would reduce selective pressure on those other routes because those individuals wouldn't need them to be well adapted.
Not that I believe in Darwinist evolution at all, but I will enlighten you to a point that even the most ardent adherents miss concerning a huge, huge point about evolution in general. No species "adapts" particularly to an environment. No organism alters its dna to flourish within a hostile realm. No: 99% of the species die out because of a hostile environment, where the 1% who had mutant dna BEFORE THE FACT survive. Not because they adapted, but because they were the "retards" of the current species. They had excess fur in the desert heat and could barely live until the ice age came and their brothers couldn't cope, but they could. That is how true "evolution" and "adaptability" works. You don't just change your hair color and height to cope. It's the oddballs that were different from the status quo that NOW have an advantage that procreates the new generation. That's why you can shit-can all the hoodoo about Greenland sharks "adapting" to icy depths or lemurs now sleeping in a different tree as an evolutionary advantage. It's crap from jump-street. Laughable that the pseudo-scientists criticize the other pseudo-scientists for not being open-minded enough. And they permeate these JR podcasts. Everyone tries to get a leg up, but they are all full of menudo.
@@shanefelkel9966 Dude, that *is* Darwinian evolution. No one worth their salt in science refutes that. You have DNA. DNA sometimes mutates, but (in sexual reproduction) always scrambles a bit to increase genetic changes. Variants are born (evidence: children are not identical to their parents or siblings). In good times most have babies who have babies, in bad times most don't. If you live, you either A: were lucky or B: did some unknowable thing(s) right. Either way, you have more babies who have babies than others, which means your DNA is now in more things relative to everyone else. Repeat this a few thousand times (and start doing it several trillion times at once for all the life there is with different DNA) and after a while, some things change.
Dunno about what's going on with Greenland sharks, but regarding your comment on Lemurs, there's a such thing as "behavioral adaptation". Living things have evolved the capability to variate what they do since it's better than waiting around to die because your arms are too short to reach the good fruit. Most times this variation doesn't work and they die or don't reproduce anyways, but every now and then someone sleeps in a wrong tree and doesn't die and lemurs start to take a hint that maybe that tree's actually better than the old kind. Evolution, the variation and competition, happens in genes and behavior in the same way it happens in human culture, capitalism, your own personal growth, so on, so forth. You fling a bunch of mud against the wall, 99 times it doesn't stick, but 1 time it does and you take very good note of it.
@@ante5544 how can a baby have a baby if it's a baby?
@@elchapo6732 Not what I meant. "Having babies who have babies" was a way of saying "having reproductively successful offspring". The reason I emphasized that instead of just saying "having offspring" is because having fertile offspring is essential to a species' success. Even If a lifeform produces offspring that survive and thrive into adulthood, if that offspring can't reproduce, their genes don't propagate and the parents are functionally evolutionary failures.
It's not the effect of being stoned what changes genes, but the actual practices (tools, language, creativity, wondering) and their repetition, and the effect these have in lives (better houses, more and better food, laughter, joy, etc..)
In his first two assertions that McKenna wasn’t entirely convinced, (he wrote an entire book on it). And that it had an effect on us genetically. In the book it goes on to state that low dose use caused better hunters and more mating causing users to out populate the rest and then went on to describe the formation of tribalism and the destruction of ego that allowed users to flourish during resource hardships. The “genetic process” he’s referring to is natural selection.
wdym by "allowed users to flourish during reward hardships"
do psychedelics give you higher insight or do they make you want to talk about psychedelics all the time? I've never met someone that uses them that has anything interesting to say other than how interesting psychedelics are.
Lol
lol this is so true it hurts
listen to terence mckenna
Underrated comment
Because you can't describe it with words
took two years to turn the cameras around? someone call eddie.
i like how joe doesn’t interrupt at all when the guest is speaking.
7:29 “damn I nailed that last phrase” 😂
We should feed chimpanzees psilocybin mushrooms and see if they develop faster!!!!
Well, I mean, thats not even remotely how evolution works.
Haiden Geary no studies with these drugs yet tho, well not good enough ones
Haiden Geary tight cause evolution doesn’t work or exist lol
@@haidengeary8277 Well it is, it would just take an incredibly long amount of time, and at that point it would be difficult to distinguish between the drug as the contributing factor and any number of other things
OulyG'z93 Keep it in church
I swear he just said “new memes”
yeah dude. the original definition (which still has a theme with the internet meme) that that incel atheist guy coined. Charles Dawkins or whatever. He said memes = ideas passed down by words, not genes. Basically the opening scene from Inception. Then he said he was big gay for flying spaghetti monster and Christians are bad because they don't eat their hair or whatever.
@@kingdavid7516 shut up bird
bepis he’s correct though
@@aidanriess4946 nah he's good. he was referencing Always Sunny with "shut up bird". made me laugh.
besides, i forgot what this was all about but i made myself laugh @ "because they won't eat their hair". I might have been drunk.
King David I don’t agree with your point but it was fucking hilarious
@6:08.
The greatest unintended pun in the history of unintended puns.
I love this theory it’s very interesting, I’d like to talk to you on a podcast joe!!
Joe “How much have you looked into the Stoned Ape Theory?” Rogan
Look into it
@@bocephuspimphand1082 😁
Another weak idiot using the same language for likes. Idiot
Joshua Quijada get over yourself
Every time I do acid o find out something about myself
i once had a bad trip while watching goats fight and found out goats are actually scary
Guy was high writing this and transcended the "I" form to become "o"
He mentioned how the genes are actually changed. I think in the individual that consumes them, you can get epigenetic changes where genes are turned off or on like a switch but these wouldn’t be heritable changes as it not at the germ line level. Unless there is some genetic change at the germ line level, which would be interesting to study!
Killin interviews Master Roshi
Joe “and it was a bunch of jesters giving me the finger” Rogan.
idk ive done shrooms consistently over the last 15 years of my life before i knew about the stoned ape theory, and its detached me from all the social norms really improved my life in a major way, and has really made me a better person and when i do them like twice a week for the last 15 years my life is enriched, im not wealthy but i just really enjoy being alive every day....
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Wait wait so does anyone know if it affected us switching from eating raw meat to cooked meat ? My dog eats raw but if I would give her a cooked meal they wouldn’t be able to digest properly and she would have terrible stomach problems Can someone explain how we survived switching to cooked meat ?
Yeah they would, dogs have no problem eating cooked meat.
That title and thumbnail could've been for a JRE parody
I use to feel paranoid and discouraged using weed but ever since I’ve been watching JRE clips I’m very happy while high and I can meditate while high too
@Freedom of Speech Idea, use your freedom of speech to not be a dick
Freedom of Speech you can’t be a failure if you weren’t trying to do anything.
@Freedom of Speech if this isn't ironic, you are the dumbest kind of person
Freedom of Speech Fuck You say that for!Why u tryna ruin someones day u degenerate piece of shit
It probably did you good to hear someone talk positively about it for a change.
"his brother who is still alive" such a way to introduce someone=D
I once was tripping on acid and went on a quad ride with one of my friends and we drove around the farms and it was amazing I felt like I was on an alien planet and that the planet was much smaller and I could also see the curve very weird
Why do I always binge watch Joe Rogan when I'm stoned?
Because ya basic
Joe "coinciding factors" Rogan
Sorry that was lame.
Justin "lame quoting" Nixon
Justin Nixon LMAOOO definitely his catch phrase
Joe "I have a friend who ..." Rogan
Justin Nixon Fuck the haters. This was a good one.
The visuals on good mushrooms are so beautiful.
John Steele especially when u do whippets while shroomin.. if u haven’t tried it, u need to!
@@riffraff1880wow, lol. We're talking about psychedelics and you come around promoting neurotoxic inhalants. Good lord...
LSD & NitrousOxide fuckin crackhead go away with that shit. U get high of of whippets due to your brain not getting enough oxygen and becoming damaged. Shut the fuck up
@@ShadowKSG and here I thought he meant the marshmallow chocolate cookie thing XD
One of the most beautiful sunsets I've ever seen was made by a light bulb, while I was alone in my room high af on mushrooms
I learnt more off Joe Rogan pod past more than 12+ years in the education system !!! And I am continuously learning still DAILY, so for that Joe I respect you my friend....
Shaved my head just to feel involved in the conversation
I get almost as much pleasure reading the comments in Joe's videos than the actual podcast xD Keep it up brother.
Literally in Mckenna's Food of the Gods:
"We are not discussing a biological symbiosis that might take many millions of years to evolve. Rather, we are talking about deep-rooted custom, an extremely powerful natural habit."
Michael is clearly not familiar with Mckenna's work.
Averros Apollo
Also literally in Mckenna’s Food of the Gods:
“The hallucinogenic indoles, unstudied and legally surpressed, are here presented as agents of evolutionary change. They are biochemical agents whose ultimate impact is not on the direct experience of the individual but on the genetic constitution of the species.”
So I wouldn’t say Pollan doesn’t understand McKenna’s theory, more like it’s a large and complex set of ideas which makes it difficult to summarise.
This is kind of hard to discuss. The nature vs nurture debate.
The universe is a better place with videos like this on the internet 🙏
Picking mushrooms and eating as you go genuinely makes them so much easier to spot 😉
I saw this clip when it first came out and I keep going back to it in my mind whenever I get high. I just had to go back to this clip and give my high thoughts on this stoned ape theory. I was thinking what if mushrooms were the "forbidden fruit" talked about in the Bible. The story goes that you'd die if you ate the forbidden fruit (which is possible since some mushrooms are poisonous) and someone (not necessarily a snake) told "eve" to eat the mushroom so she can be enlightened which ended up changing the chemicals in her brain. I'm obviously really high right now but I'll come back to elaborate and fix spelling errors
in one of the removed books of the bible, nit sure which one, but it claimed that Jesus Christ told the apostle that wrote the book that HE was the one who persuaded Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit
That really begs the question, is knowledge good or bad, obviously the bible is a story based on somewhat true events and symbolism but mostly nonsense made up by the church, but if psychedelics really are the forbidden fruit, then science as a whole and knowledge itself is wrong, this proves true because us as intelligent beings, are constantly destroying the very planet we live on and kill each other... All because we developed language and a functioning societal structure all through the use of knowledge. Were we meant to just be stupid like all the other animals? Or were we meant to solve the secrets of our universe
I like this. If you take a heroic dose of mushrooms you experience ego death (a phrase that doesn't do the experience justice). When you come back from it your mind is blown wide open. This is my new favorite theory now.
@@RainusBrainus you come up with some outlandish ideals, but hey, you're only crazy if it don't work.
There is a suffocating amount of bald in this room.
there are 2 bald guys bro dont act like you've never seen it before
@@maddealer8680 you're mad because you're bald
@@jayotrap5914 nah im 16 lol nice try
@@maddealer8680 you're mad bc you're 16
5:20 "he was high all the time" "he was an incredibly creative person" said at the same time. There is a correlation there I think.
Joe Rogan- “Dmt”
Everybody - *searches DMT plug near me
Meme used they way it was intended... Ah, I can die now.
I actually eat elk
-joe rogan
Yum
"he was a fungi to listen to..."
0:25 ''I can see how psychedelics would influence the mind and create new ideas, new memes"
YES! definitely!
6:07 Yeah, let's just not even bring up this phenomenal unintended pun my Joe
Teeheehee fungi
I've always believed that the biblical forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was nothing less than a psychedelic
No, I think it was really the unbounded capacity for knowledge without God's consent, limitations, or guidance.
@@shanefelkel9966 God sounds pretty arrogant
@@Bucketheadhead Well he is GOD. And you aren't and I'm not. So anything we speculate is pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. It is what it is. And no Brett Weinsteins, Jordan Petersons, Charles Darwins, Aristotles, Buddhas, or anyone else's philosophy makes one shit of a difference in the reality of the world. It is just cave (or billboard) graffitti.
@@shanefelkel9966 Nah I’m good God or not I’m not listening to the philosophy of an arrogant megalomaniac.
After I took LSD couple of times I've learned a lot about my inner self and because I suffer from depression and social fear I started to look differently on the world around me and started accepting who I'am. Now I'm waiting for another trip in a few days after a year or so and I'm so pumped to see how my perspective of the world and it's beauty has changed and I'm always happy to take psychs because I only feel better (in a long term) after taking them. I'm trying to get hold of shrooms but where I live it's hard as fuck, but still I praise what's happening right now. Seeing how finally science is evolving into trying to make psychs help people like me. (disclaimer, I do take meds for my illnesses but when I do drugs I always take a break from them so that they won't mix up that much)
I could 100% see it being a possibility it helped us communicate better
Take a shot every time joe says “coincide”
Wow!! I stopped around 7 minute Mark too intense
This is the most “joe rogan” jre moment
lorenzo is badass. will checkout the remastered recordings
Joe "its entirely possible" Rogan.
Psychedelics really changed me for the better. Even years after I still have these amazing thoughts and this great need to always evaluate my life and to be at peace with others at all times.
Psychedelics are amazing
Maybe once they discovered fire it was a way for them to finally smoke weed
This is the Joe Rogan-est title I’ve ever seen.
This is the most joe rogan video title ever
"Is stoned Ape Theory B.S.?"
The question of IF neurotropic plants influenced primate intelligence is fundamentally a moot question. This co-evolutionary relationship extends beyond apes to ALL mammals and their variety of intelligent expressions. Flowering plants and mammals co-evolved together from the end of the Cretaceous. The fossil record reveals an increasing diversity among flowering plants and mammals. Many of the secondary metabolites produced by flowering plants, as adaptions for survival, have the same molecular structure to neurotransmitters in the mammalian nervous system.The evolutionary vectors for intelligence in mammals share a co-dependence with flowering plants for subsistence, reproduction, and neurotropic selection.
There is no question of "if" neurotropic plants influence the evolution of intelligence in apes. The real question is how. But if we are only examining this relationship between primates and plants, we are still missing the bigger reality of the biological scale of this neuro-chemical integration.
You don't need psychedelics to become a species that can communicate, cooperation in numbers makes it easier to hunt and gather.
Why would that not be enough to evolve speech?
It’s a theory to why we advanced so much farther than every other species
So fast
FFS just let us have our pointless theory man
We need this shit to justify our blowouts
Douglas Day Dude all wild animals eat psychedelic drugs
It is worth noting that language, and I mean truly understanding, using, and being proficient with languages is a purely human trait.
A lot of the studies and experiments involving apes and them learning sign language didn’t have promising results, while it is possible to teach apes that a cup is a, “cup”, their understanding of language basically ends there.
Most of the apes that were taught sign language really only used it to demand things like food, toys, to play, or something else. Most of the time they would just sign things like, “I eat”, in an attempt to get food. However, they also typically had no understanding of grammar and interrupted people they were, “talking”, to often. They might sign, “eat I eat”, for requesting food.
The apes were basically brute forcing language in an attempt to get what they want, which wouldn’t a problem if they actually advanced in language in any form. They didn’t have any true understanding of language, they didn’t really have any conversations and couldn’t string together many, if any, coherent sentences beyond like 3 words for requesting something.
I think it’s possible for psychedelics to have a genetic impact with an example being neurogenesis being an imprint in the impact the experience has.
3years later still watching this vid