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  • @Nighthawkinlight
    @Nighthawkinlight Před 7 měsíci +10797

    Hey a tip for your air storage: people that build water rockets have perfected splicing plastic bottles together for high pressure use. The channel US Water Rockets has some good videos about bottle splicing. You could save some weight and make larger chambers fairly easily.

    • @shermantank25
      @shermantank25 Před 7 měsíci +253

      Good to see you here!

    • @mirage1729
      @mirage1729 Před 7 měsíci +427

      I love it when cool engineering CZcamsrs watch each other's videos!

    • @gizzta
      @gizzta Před 7 měsíci +166

      Yeah I remember gluing 1.5L bottles together to make a 4.5L water rocket 12 years ago. 120psi is quite the limit though

    • @turrboenvy4612
      @turrboenvy4612 Před 7 měsíci +90

      That sounds like a good idea if it can take the pressure. There's a lot of weight in the bottom of the bottles and fasteners. Also, here in the US we have 3-liter soda bottles. Fuse a couple of those together and you've got 50% more capacity in probably less weight.

    • @TheThrustProject
      @TheThrustProject Před 7 měsíci +72

      Air Command Rockets from Australia helped me massive through my water rocket project in 10th grade. They evolved from spliced bottles to carbon fiber air tanks over the years 😅

  • @ElectroBOOM
    @ElectroBOOM Před 7 měsíci +986

    Dang! Love the perseverance and quality!

    • @AusterEngineer
      @AusterEngineer Před 7 měsíci +14

      Don’t know why I’m surprised to see you here😂

    • @yogetupibe
      @yogetupibe Před 7 měsíci +10

      i didn't expect the legend to be here

    • @JB-yu1vv
      @JB-yu1vv Před 7 měsíci +5

      I love perseverance and ingenuity

    • @ct92404
      @ct92404 Před 7 měsíci +8

      LOL wow, this really IS a small world!

    • @PlayNowWorkLater
      @PlayNowWorkLater Před 7 měsíci +2

      Yes. What he says. Perseverance

  • @NonJohns
    @NonJohns Před 7 měsíci +80

    I can't get over how it sounds like a proper engine
    I'm glad you documented it all because i couldn't stomach all this effort myself

  • @AlwinMao
    @AlwinMao Před 7 měsíci +175

    I imagine you feel the same way the Wright Brothers felt achieving their first 12-second flight. Very different problems for very different times, but you both breathe rare air.

    • @GustavoAraujo_18
      @GustavoAraujo_18 Před 7 měsíci

      the Wright brothers created something that was launched by a slingshot. The real inventor of the plane was Santos Dumont.

    • @Afterbang77
      @Afterbang77 Před 7 měsíci +5

      Or even 10 years before them Clement Ader

    • @nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489
      @nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 Před 7 měsíci

      It took him six years to get this far. Without looking at the timeframe for the Wright brothers, i bet it's pretty sad considering the education and raw information available to this propped up wannabe.

    • @nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489
      @nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 Před 7 měsíci

      And yes, i shit on him in that video too

    • @theshuman100
      @theshuman100 Před 7 měsíci +1

      pressurised

  • @Nerdforge
    @Nerdforge Před 7 měsíci +1061

    Thats an amazing flight! Well done!

    • @108108qwerty
      @108108qwerty Před 7 měsíci +3

      You should try this sort of project out! Id love to watch it

    • @terra8568
      @terra8568 Před 7 měsíci +4

      Nice to see you here

    • @cesare8270
      @cesare8270 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Cool

    • @bsvenss2
      @bsvenss2 Před 7 měsíci

      *Kjempeflott* to see you here. 🙂

  • @JeffGeerling
    @JeffGeerling Před 7 měsíci +922

    It's finally taking flight! Glad to see all that air engine testing coming to fruition, that's gotta feel good.

    • @nightmares100
      @nightmares100 Před 7 měsíci +6

      Here so people can't say first

    • @DatFrogGuy
      @DatFrogGuy Před 7 měsíci +14

      ​@@nightmares100 by saying what you just did, you inadvertently made a comment just as insignificant as 'first'...
      and so did I

    • @philipvecchio3292
      @philipvecchio3292 Před 7 měsíci +16

      I find it interesting that my favorite CZcams creators consume each other's content, Even if it's not quite in their field.

    • @thowd11
      @thowd11 Před 7 měsíci +5

      LOOK ITS JEFF!!!

    • @Lampe2020
      @Lampe2020 Před 7 měsíci +7

      It's funny to see that the big CZcamsrs consume each other's content :)
      Nice to know you also like these air engines!

  • @frankdirksen9172
    @frankdirksen9172 Před 7 měsíci +139

    Hi, something about your wings. Wings have the most drag at the ends because there the pressure between top and bottom is balanced and you get a whirl. For that reason the wings of a sailplane are long and get narrower to the ends.
    In your design there is a problem in the center too because the wings aren't connected and you loose pressure in the middle too. I think, it will already help if you connect the wings with some packaging tape.
    Best regards, Frank

    • @user-ec5hq9bk7t
      @user-ec5hq9bk7t Před 7 měsíci

      🤩🤩

    • @guimblon
      @guimblon Před 6 měsíci +5

      I'm pretty sure Tom knows about induced drag and aspect ratio, but the packing tape is an excellent idea

    • @thisaccounthasbeensuspended
      @thisaccounthasbeensuspended Před 5 měsíci

      or perhaps a lightweight fairing

    • @stevemull2002
      @stevemull2002 Před 5 měsíci +1

      I agree Frank, make the wings a tad longer, but tapered, i would add another 30cm, 15 each side, Tail plane needs to be a built up structure, not solid, but remain a V, as that is light, perhaps fair in the front bottle to give a more aerodynamic, and less drag from the prop going backwards, and lastly, the center wing section needs fairing into the wing and Fuz, big time, you are inducing drag, and turbulence there

    • @Anvilshock
      @Anvilshock Před 4 měsíci

      If you "loose" pressure, better fasten it …

  • @localbedwetter
    @localbedwetter Před 7 měsíci +26

    What am I doing here. I have school tomorrow and its almost 2am. I don't even own a 3d printer

    • @JulieVanTilburg
      @JulieVanTilburg Před měsícem +1

      Same bruda

    • @sign_verken
      @sign_verken Před měsícem

      That doesn't mean you can't make one, just means it will be alot more difficult

    • @Tau_19
      @Tau_19 Před 3 dny

      I do!

  • @smartereveryday
    @smartereveryday Před 7 měsíci +1312

    I love the split second thought at 15:12 where you almost seem to think "I can save it!"... Immediately followed by what seems to be ..."But it might cut my finger off?"
    I really enjoyed this video! Well done sir.

    • @4thsemester-vr5br
      @4thsemester-vr5br Před 7 měsíci

      Ye

    • @roflkopter
      @roflkopter Před 7 měsíci +27

      It's your fault I haven't got smarter today

    • @curtheisler1200
      @curtheisler1200 Před 7 měsíci +24

      @@roflkopter That's on you, bucko!

    • @IcespherePlaysGames
      @IcespherePlaysGames Před 7 měsíci +64

      The classic engineer's problem. "How much bodily harm am I willing to risk to save my creation?"

    • @SuperMastermindx
      @SuperMastermindx Před 7 měsíci +1

      hey Destin, suprised to see you here but im very glad for it

  • @Qopzeep
    @Qopzeep Před 7 měsíci +340

    Can I just say that I love everything about this series? The incremental efficiency gains, Tom's persistence, the planes themselves of course, and as a bonus, the lovely noise they make. I find it amazing that Tom keeps setting new goals and reaching them. Looking forward to the next one!

    • @TheBelrick
      @TheBelrick Před 7 měsíci

      Combination of genetic and cultural history + passion = brilliance. Tom Stanton to the other 97% of all human inventions. Well done. Be proud

  • @jasrajsingh9674
    @jasrajsingh9674 Před 7 měsíci +22

    Tom you really have outdone yourself. As an engineer I really admire the design. Hats off it really is a beautiful plane. It’s been a great journey through all the different different versions and you’ve finally done it. I love how happy you are when you see it flying. I am very happy for you. Well done !!!

  • @endlesspower89
    @endlesspower89 Před 7 měsíci +128

    Opera one of the best browsers

  • @Mrcheesebumble
    @Mrcheesebumble Před 7 měsíci +221

    This is exactly what 3D printers were made for. WELL DONE!

    • @lamarw7757
      @lamarw7757 Před 7 měsíci +7

      3D Printing was first used for medical purposes as dental implants and custom prosthetics in the 1990s.

    • @Mrcheesebumble
      @Mrcheesebumble Před 7 měsíci +29

      @lamarw7757 I mean miracle medical advances are great but plane go brrrr

    • @lavachemist
      @lavachemist Před 7 měsíci +9

      wait. I thought 3D printers were made for printing 3D Benchys. Have I been doing this wrong?

    • @Mrcheesebumble
      @Mrcheesebumble Před 7 měsíci

      @@lavachemist Keep printing those lil buddies

    • @yeetyfreety6938
      @yeetyfreety6938 Před 7 měsíci +4

      @@Mrcheesebumble What about printing glocks?

  • @integza
    @integza Před 7 měsíci +692

    That’s just amazing Tom !

  • @emilyrln
    @emilyrln Před 7 měsíci +19

    This is so cool! You might want to implement a preflight checklist so excitement doesn't make you forget important details 😊

  • @BlueSquatchproductions
    @BlueSquatchproductions Před 6 měsíci +2

    Congratulations love how excited you get when it worked

  • @IdRatherBeMaking
    @IdRatherBeMaking Před 7 měsíci +187

    Two tips. 1) I have been recycling PET diet coke bottles into printer filament for some time. My first step is to smooth out the iconic shape by pressurizing it to 70psi with a little water and heating it slowly in an oven. I've successfully shrunk, elongated in a form, and reformed the bottoms into a smooth dome. You may want to consider doing the same, giving you more volume at the same weight. Coca Cola published that their 2 liter bottles are rated for 150 psi, so if you only need 70 some experimentation might be warranted. I would love to see what you come up with. 2) Secondly, you could replace the tail rod with a pressurized fluorescent tube protector and make the plane a flying air tank. The water rocket people use them as pressure tanks as well, so there is a lot of data and technique to start with!

    • @JordansDroid
      @JordansDroid Před 7 měsíci +5

      Best comment in this section

    • @reezlaw
      @reezlaw Před 7 měsíci +1

      Awesome stuff, including recycling the bottles, what a great idea!

    • @marc_frank
      @marc_frank Před 7 měsíci

      if the bottle was full of water before you put it in the oven and still completely filled afterwards, there would be no increase in volume
      maybe the sides contracted a little?

    • @brentdallyn8459
      @brentdallyn8459 Před 7 měsíci

      Forming the air chamber into a lifting body, the wings can be shorter saving weight that way

    • @IdRatherBeMaking
      @IdRatherBeMaking Před 7 měsíci

      @@marc_frank - Agreed, You can't fill it up, you just need a little water to protect bottle features from overheating. You could do the same with a wet cloth on the outside. For instance, if you get the threads of the bottle too hot the deform. Not a good thing if the bottle is at 70psi. The PET recycled filament people put a small amount of water in to use steam to expand the bottle if they don't have access to a compressor.

  • @iansalmon6327
    @iansalmon6327 Před 7 měsíci +407

    Hi Tom, epic project!
    I'm sure you've had lots of suggestions but I'll throw in mine anyway:
    1. Replace the MG90S servos with standard SG90 servos, you don't need metal gears and this will save about 4g. You could also go smaller (GH-S37D) for a total saving of 15g and reduced size of the supporting structure.
    2. Smaller LiPo pack.
    3. Build up the tail surfaces from 3mm square balsa rather than sheet.
    4. Taper the wings - better lift distribution and structural efficiency. Taper the spars to reflect the reduced bending moment as you move towards the tips. For tubular carbon you could glue increasingly smaller sections together, telescope style. You may need to add a few degrees of washout at the tips but this is easily done by twisting the wing to the desired angle and re-shrinking the film.
    5. Lose the gap in the wing centre section and make the wing continuous. This is a big source of drag and is effectively halving your aspect ratio.
    6. Add some rounded or tapered wing tips
    7. Test some different props to find an optimum for this engine / airframe combination. This can make a big difference.
    8. Higher pressure of course.
    9. Don't use paint, it's heavier than you'd think and not needed under the film.
    10. Use an iron rather than a heat gun to shrink the film. You'll have much better control and won't melt holes in it.
    On your comparison to CO2 canisters, I'm not sure that's valid as the CO2 is compressed to liquid phase so it's not just a comparison of ideal gas volumes.
    Great work though, I look forward to the next iteration.

    • @TVGUY333
      @TVGUY333 Před 7 měsíci +34

      NASA showed up!

    • @trashtrash2169
      @trashtrash2169 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Seriously.

    • @kardRatzinger
      @kardRatzinger Před 7 měsíci +24

      I'm thinking tapering the wings may not help here. This plane flies super slowly, and is probably nearing the unfavourable range of Reynolds numbers, where the air starts becoming really sticky, and shortening the wing chord would exacerbate that. Perhaps adding a turbulator would help, you can try that on one wing first, which will let you easily gauge if it's improving performance (if it does, the plane will have a tendency to turn to the side with no turbulator).

    • @NGC1433
      @NGC1433 Před 7 měsíci

      CO2 transitioning a phase would make it way worse by cooling it down significantly, so if Tom's calculation is incorrect - it is incorrect in favor of air, not CO2.
      Also, Tom, please make a prop saver - a small modification that fastens the prop with a small rubber band instead of screws. You will easily find it on the internets by googling "propsaver"

    • @samuelmellars7855
      @samuelmellars7855 Před 7 měsíci +10

      With regards to the CO2 cartridges:
      A quick google says a 12 gram cartride (12 grams CO2, not considering weight of cartidge, I assume) has about 6L of CO2 at atmospheric pressure.
      I think it might not be worth it.
      It's slightly more weight, it's a part that has to be purchased *and* more strength needs to be added to the design to hold the higher pressure. Unless a larger CO2 bottle can be got easily and cheaply. Better CO2/bottle weight ratio.
      Thinking about the rest of the design:
      I think I would add a sleeve around the join of the two tanks to reduce drag.
      Could also have two double-tanks side-by-side (4 total), have any less aerodynamic components between them and wrap the whole thing in the film. Add a few shapers and make it into a lifting body fuselage, while we're at it.

  • @microusb42069
    @microusb42069 Před 4 měsíci

    My little brother had the same air higs. We used to have so much fun with it. I was just randomly reminiscing about it to myself last night, remembering all the fun we used to have together. Crazy I come across this video the next day.

  • @hilltop4847
    @hilltop4847 Před 7 měsíci +4

    HUGE congrats on the flight, this has been such a cool project!

  • @MedlifeCrisis
    @MedlifeCrisis Před 7 měsíci +62

    What a glorious sight! Proper long flight! It also sounds great, real old school prop noise.

    • @j100j
      @j100j Před 7 měsíci +8

      Surprised to see you here.

    • @ophly8993
      @ophly8993 Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@j100j Two glorious youtubers

    • @robocombo
      @robocombo Před 7 měsíci +1

      When are we getting the x-over episode 😊

  • @1kreature
    @1kreature Před 7 měsíci +219

    Do not use paint, it adds about as much weight as your balsa! Instead buy colored Oracover. It has same weight as clear!
    Also: Look into using a folding propeller to avoid damage during landing. I am assuming power is low enough to let it fold on landing or that at least the blades will fold away upon hitting ground to avoid the snapping of motor.
    The rpm of motor sounds like it speeds up as the plane reaches level flight which could mean pitch is too low. It shouldn't take much thrust to keep such a sleek wing in the air, and too low load on motor in flight will just use up air.

    • @GoldenCroc
      @GoldenCroc Před 7 měsíci +10

      Seems like great points, at least to me.

    • @squidwardo7074
      @squidwardo7074 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Yeah thats why the space shuttle was orange

    • @dundeedideley1773
      @dundeedideley1773 Před 7 měsíci

      @@squidwardo7074 it... wasn't though?

    • @tylerworksalot
      @tylerworksalot Před 7 měsíci +9

      ​@@dundeedideley1773they did paint it white at first but then realized it weighted a lot and would flake off and potentially impact the orbiter

    • @Puukiuuki
      @Puukiuuki Před 7 měsíci +7

      ​@@dundeedideley1773They are talking about the big external tank holding the liquid oxygen & hydrogen for the main engines.

  • @Bmlscipio
    @Bmlscipio Před 7 měsíci +7

    You should look into lasercutting balsa for the flat parts (e.g. the 3d printed wing profiles and the tail flaps). It's often faster/cheaper than 3d printing, refuces plastic usage and could lead to lighter parts (though potentially also more brittle).

  • @Cessnapilotintraining
    @Cessnapilotintraining Před 7 měsíci +1

    I love videos where somebody has an idea and makes it work without given up! Especially this one because I am an aviation enthusiast!

  • @mgreenesco9955
    @mgreenesco9955 Před 7 měsíci +145

    Love it. You could probably reduce drag significantly if you make a small fairing to cover the gap between the wing roots and allow the air to flow around the centre piece.

    • @marknapier2236
      @marknapier2236 Před 7 měsíci +8

      Agree. Packing tape would seal the gap just fine.

    • @cooperised
      @cooperised Před 7 měsíci +1

      This is an excellent idea. There'll be all sorts of vortex stuff going on at the wing roots as it is.

    • @simond6610
      @simond6610 Před 7 měsíci

      +1 for this. Efficient airfoils are great, but whole aircraft L/D is the real-world answer.

  • @kptnbalu9616
    @kptnbalu9616 Před 7 měsíci +723

    As an Engineer, i salute to your insane amount of passion you put in this airplane. It makes me smile uncontrollably to watch you progress on that project. This is nerdyness in its purest form. Thank you for your videos!

    • @chucklesthered2338
      @chucklesthered2338 Před 7 měsíci +4

      I can't wait to get a ride in one of those... to scale of course.

    • @y.hoffmann2034
      @y.hoffmann2034 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Engineers👋✌️

    • @haydengrows
      @haydengrows Před 7 měsíci +3

      Agreed. I absolutely love this series. For that reason, I hope he never stops improving his design 🙏🏼 lol

    • @cjraghul4045
      @cjraghul4045 Před 6 měsíci +1

      hi sir i am need of project ideas in engineering physics with practical application . i am studying 1st year and with minimal or no electronics , could you suggest some if possible

    • @jaleemasangma2820
      @jaleemasangma2820 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Wow amazing.

  • @dallynsr
    @dallynsr Před 7 měsíci +2

    Congratulations, Tom!
    It really is fun when something works and works well.

  • @lukasbrown6114
    @lukasbrown6114 Před 7 měsíci

    this is simply amazing. love to see someone just have fun in their garage with projects like this

  • @feelincrispy7053
    @feelincrispy7053 Před 7 měsíci +212

    I never get over seeing the joy of a man who has built something that works but has little to no real purpose. All creator CZcamsrs get it, you can always see the point it happens, right when they look at the camera and get that little smile. You know in their head they are like “it works! It actually fricken works!! I can’t believe it!”
    Destin got it when he split a bullet, hawinglight got when he did his perfect Japanese sparklers, integza gets it all the time lol, styropyro got it with his recent car battery monstrosity and the list goes on and on

    • @Mrkillshots
      @Mrkillshots Před 7 měsíci +2

      It might just have one good use never know

    • @chillaxter13
      @chillaxter13 Před 7 měsíci +9

      It's that Dr Frankenstein "It's alive!" moment... So satisfying to see.

    • @katigroszek
      @katigroszek Před 7 měsíci +3

      It has little use now but it well may lead to something useful.
      I would not mind travelling to work one day in a CompAir car, on the fuel that my fotovolt panels made during a previous day with a electric powered compressor... or a moped or something.
      Start with a little thing having a bigger goal in mind, at the back of your head.

    • @syrus3k
      @syrus3k Před 7 měsíci +1

      The styropyro car battery plasma cutter.. that was special lol

    • @MustangsCanTurnToo
      @MustangsCanTurnToo Před 7 měsíci

      Yup. No one asked for the world’s fastest nikko dictator, but my god I was so happy to build it and drive it🤣

  • @jameshoward4514
    @jameshoward4514 Před 7 měsíci +196

    This series is my absolute favourite on CZcams! Love your work Tom

  • @iaminside1
    @iaminside1 Před 3 měsíci +1

    That's why pilots have such extensive pre-flight check lists.

  • @valedrigo
    @valedrigo Před 7 měsíci

    Wow! The design of this plain, it's simple but jet also beautiful!! Great work Tom!! And one minute just on air is wonderfull!!!

  • @DutchHollandLowz
    @DutchHollandLowz Před 7 měsíci +69

    Use an electric air compressor with a WATER SEPERATOR on the line going into the Plane tank. less water in the air will reduce the weight at the end of the flight and will make your air engine run ever so slightly better. The wings seem to be a bit overkill on strength. but man this had been awesome keep this going. I know you can do 2min for sure. Great Job.

    • @luckylmj
      @luckylmj Před 7 měsíci +1

      there was no water in the tank in the flight tests, that was just for a pressure test

    • @cans456
      @cans456 Před 7 měsíci +25

      @@luckylmj I think they mean the humidity in the air

    • @mattblack6736
      @mattblack6736 Před 7 měsíci +2

      now I'm wondering is it possible to use a gas that is lighter than air, or would it turn into liquid under high pressure...and then would that even make much difference

    • @Yrocsrelles
      @Yrocsrelles Před 7 měsíci +1

      ​@@mattblack6736a helium or hydrogen version would be pretty cool. I'm not sure how much weight you would save but it would be cool to see

    • @DutchHollandLowz
      @DutchHollandLowz Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@luckylmj there was condensation in the air.

  • @agtbbd7267
    @agtbbd7267 Před 7 měsíci +229

    CO2 cartridges are actually almost an order of magnitude better than that because they are full of liquid CO2 and not gas. A 16 gram cartridge actually contains 9liters of gas instead of 1liter. 6:30
    MassGas/density@1atm=(16g)/(1.77g/l)=9l
    Easy to miss if you don't work with things like that often. Thanks for all the interesting videos and please keep them coming!

    • @MossMar343
      @MossMar343 Před 7 měsíci +14

      Yes! I was about to comment this. His comparison wasn't exactly fair.

    • @JMMC1005
      @JMMC1005 Před 7 měsíci +30

      It's also not just the volume of gas, but the starting pressure. Even if there was less gas, you need to calculate the energy released when expanding to atmospheric pressure.
      A weather balloon stores even more air, but the pressure is so low that it can't do much useful work.

    • @JC-XL
      @JC-XL Před 7 měsíci +25

      I just wrote the same as well.
      And there are also 20g, 38g, 45g, 74g cartridges that will have much better ratio of the useful CO2 weight to the metal canister weight. And you're getting much more constant pressure, compared to that air bottle that drops from 8 atm to 1 atm.
      There are problems with CO2 as well though - it will need a strong/heavy valve and you have to maintain the cartridge orientation, so you're not directly losing liquid through the valve.

    • @JMMC1005
      @JMMC1005 Před 7 měsíci +19

      @@JC-XL You also can't use the bottle as the fuselage due to the higher density - though this may be counteracted by the smaller cross section with respect to drag.
      Ultimately CO2 engines might perform better but they don't really meet the intent of this challenge, given the whole point is to replicate the old Air Hogs toys.
      I'd be interested to see a direct comparison between the Air Hogs and Tom's model. From my memory as a kid, they performed pretty well considering the small tank, stubby wings and blunt propeller.

    • @JMMC1005
      @JMMC1005 Před 7 měsíci +11

      @@JC-XL
      It would be interesting to see propane used as the working gas. It has a vapour pressure low enough to be liquified in a soda bottle, and also be directly compatible with Tom's engines. I believe some paintball guns use it as a CO2 alternative.
      While it is flammable, this shouldn't be too risky provided no ignition sources exist.

  • @retiredtom1654
    @retiredtom1654 Před 7 měsíci

    Great job! You did your research & testing, with good results.

  • @owenrichmond1696
    @owenrichmond1696 Před 7 měsíci

    You continue to inspire me with every video! Not even my discipline of engineering but there's just something so satisfying about seeing you have these big and small breakthroughs. Counted the seconds it was flying like a bull rider on a bull. Awesome work Tom keep going!!!

  • @pablogonzalez4567
    @pablogonzalez4567 Před 7 měsíci +394

    a crazy idea would be to make the wings pressurized to gain more air volume, maybe some internal tube like chamber along the wing to avoid pressurizing the actual film skin

    • @weresonic11
      @weresonic11 Před 7 měsíci +82

      Maybe the wings filled with helium to decrease the lift needed from the engine?

    • @pocarski
      @pocarski Před 7 měsíci +75

      storing fuel in the wings is something actual airliners do, this isn't as crazy as you think

    • @fdhgsdfdssdf
      @fdhgsdfdssdf Před 7 měsíci +48

      I know it's arbitrary but since it's a plane it wouldn't make sense to use lighter-than-air gases to generate lift, otherwise you could just make a blimp and easily beat the flight length record

    • @Sandux930
      @Sandux930 Před 7 měsíci +3

      I love this idea

    • @ulwur
      @ulwur Před 7 měsíci +37

      Wouldnt it be better to replace the tail boom with a third bottle? Like Teslas "structural" battery pack.

  • @giovannipiccioli
    @giovannipiccioli Před 7 měsíci +89

    Great video as always! Here's a tip to decrease the drag and increase the lift. At the moment you have two half wings joined together at the fuselage. This design generates some vortices (exactly like the wingtip vortices) in the inner part of the wing due to the gap between the two half wings. The vortices increase the drag and decrease the lift. Joining the wing in the middle would eliminate the vortices

    • @martinbrandmuller8272
      @martinbrandmuller8272 Před 7 měsíci +17

      in general the drag of the fuselage IMO hast the biggest potential for improvement. Add a streamlined nose, cover the part where the 2 bottles are joined together, cover the center wing section and add a tail fairing to the end of the rear bottle.

    • @giovannipiccioli
      @giovannipiccioli Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@martinbrandmuller8272 Agree! There's a lot of possible improvement in the shape of the fuselage

    • @miniac60
      @miniac60 Před 7 měsíci +1

      You were so much more diplomatic than I would have been!

    • @NotOneToFly
      @NotOneToFly Před 7 měsíci +2

      I hope Tom finds this thread. This is exactly what I wanted to comment as well. At the start of the video, he made a nod to aerodynamics and did do a really good job on the wings themselves, but at the end of the video he's back to talking about weight savings. A nice, clean bulbous nose and a smooth wing root area would absolutely do wonders.

    • @TheBelrick
      @TheBelrick Před 7 měsíci

      yep, single wing over the top of the air tank using flaps would be even better.

  • @anandsharma7430
    @anandsharma7430 Před 6 měsíci +1

    As a lowly software developer this is absolutely brilliant content. Happy to have youtube recommend this channel to me.

  • @powerofone1645
    @powerofone1645 Před 5 měsíci +1

    9:46 lol Bad batch of balsa wood.
    I love watching your projects come to life. You inspire me.

  • @komitadjie
    @komitadjie Před 7 měsíci +324

    Tom, I'm sure someone else has mentioned this before - but the CO2 canister is not actually full of gas. It's full of liquified CO2, held under that pressure. The pressure is maintained until all of the liquid has boiled off, which gives an effective storage quite a lot larger than you might think looking at it as a simple compressed gas. :)

    • @themonkeyman2547
      @themonkeyman2547 Před 7 měsíci +82

      Yep, Tom said 21 mL expands to 1 L, but they are really 21 grams. 21 grams of CO2 at room temperature is more like 10 liters! Now, it would actually be quite cold, so that will decrease performance, and the cold itself will pose design challenges

    • @MKVideoful
      @MKVideoful Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@themonkeyman2547 Maybe then add some "heating" elements :D

    • @grigorbrowning
      @grigorbrowning Před 7 měsíci +26

      I hope he's seeing these comments about CO2 canisters. There's easily an interesting video discussing phase change and testing how the consistent pressure affects the air-engine's performance when actually flying (in terms of control). Not to mention tuning a suitable jet to meter the flow to the engine (and the cooling effect, which might not be that bad given the likely flow-rates). And, the cylinders come in a range of sizes (including much larger ones).

    • @darrylpang3903
      @darrylpang3903 Před 7 měsíci +34

      As I recall, Integza used a CO2 canister system, where an onboard Arduino controlled the release of CO2, using a bottle as the expansion chamber and maintaining a roughly consistent pressure inside the bottle.

    • @finndemoncat9379
      @finndemoncat9379 Před 7 měsíci +6

      Isn't it easier to use a deodorany bottle? Lmao I can imagine the plane leaving a perfume trail.

  • @chrisperrywv
    @chrisperrywv Před 7 měsíci +91

    The fact that not all his videos end in success can be infuriating, but what I love about it is that it also shows the true nature of engineering. Once he finally gets to the goal it is so satisfying!

  • @user-xb3pe7mp9w
    @user-xb3pe7mp9w Před měsícem +1

    I love how Tom takes care of this project

  • @theocross375
    @theocross375 Před 7 měsíci

    This is crazy. Absolutely astounding progress.

  • @VitoFur
    @VitoFur Před 7 měsíci +99

    Not only does it fly very well, it even sounds like a real single prop plane! Awesome project!

    • @ghostwhite1648
      @ghostwhite1648 Před 7 měsíci +3

      imagine the technology the government actually has but pretends we need to pay for fuel...

    • @theairaccumulator7144
      @theairaccumulator7144 Před 7 měsíci +16

      ​@@ghostwhite1648bro the government isn't taking energy out of thin air, thermodynamics exists. This guy is expending tons of energy to get that air under pressure and then wasting even more to convert it back to mechanical power. He isn't taking anything out of thin air.

    • @ghostwhite1648
      @ghostwhite1648 Před 7 měsíci

      @@theairaccumulator7144 he’s not 30000 feet up.

    • @ghostwhite1648
      @ghostwhite1648 Před 7 měsíci

      @@theairaccumulator7144 we literally got people in outhouses fueling generators with wood gas and poop gas mang. Open ya fuggin eyes

    • @alexrobertson557
      @alexrobertson557 Před 7 měsíci +7

      @@ghostwhite1648 why would fuel be free? it takes a lot of resources to extract, refine and deliver. Please take your tin hat off.

  • @emiliogomez4705
    @emiliogomez4705 Před 7 měsíci +68

    I FELT AS EXITED AS IF I WAS THE ONE ENGINEERING THE PLANE. I've been following your air powered engine progress since the second version and when i saw this tumbnail I audiabply gasped. I can tell how much work you put into it and it reflects on the performance. I must be honest when I started watching your videos i thought they were kind of slow and a lower form of lame, but following your ups and downs made me love and appreciate the PROCESS. You're and amazing engineer and I feel lucky to celebrate your wins!!!! THANKS FOR THESE VIDEOS, PLEASE KEEP MAKUING US GASP WITH YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS

    • @bickle8911
      @bickle8911 Před 7 měsíci +4

      COMPLETELY agree with this comment, seeing that plane fly made me so damn happy

    • @colinjohnson5515
      @colinjohnson5515 Před 7 měsíci

      Same. It’s been a long time coming!

  • @sandrainthesky1011
    @sandrainthesky1011 Před 7 měsíci +1

    That was soooo impressive dude! That huge jump to over a minute, what a motivator! What I need is an air powered paramotor. I only need a short time power to take off over the sea and back to land for the thermals, plus there would be big air tank so I float if I go into the drink, perfect!

  • @ArrakisOrBust
    @ArrakisOrBust Před 7 měsíci

    I absolutely loved that, thanks for sharing.

  • @samik83
    @samik83 Před 7 měsíci +117

    Best engineering channel on YT. The fact that everything is made from scratch and even the engine is more or less your design makes these videos so good. I have that tinkerer in me but don't have the patience and perseverance to keep at it. It awesome to see how you just keep iterating year after year on the same thing.

    • @LeoStaley
      @LeoStaley Před 7 měsíci

      You should enjoy James Bruton

    • @bermchasin
      @bermchasin Před 7 měsíci

      he bought the propeller. I mean, your point still stands, but not "everything" was made from scratch.

    • @nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489
      @nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 Před 7 měsíci

      No, and no. This guy is an idiot relative to most. You probably are just stuck on the child-pandering tactics he's better at than anything resembling engineering.

  • @TechplantChannel
    @TechplantChannel Před 7 měsíci +58

    I wish you could find some light yet strong tubes that could be used inside the wings to give it its rigidness but could also be pressurized so you have additional air capacity

    • @jim_condit
      @jim_condit Před 7 měsíci +3

      Perhaps reforming the drink bottle into the shape of the wing?

    • @index7787
      @index7787 Před 7 měsíci +4

      In wing air is def the move here, all internal volume must be air storage.

    • @TechplantChannel
      @TechplantChannel Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@jim_condit yeah im not sure how to do it where it can maintain a wing shape under pressure but it would be pretty cool to store air in the wings

    • @TechplantChannel
      @TechplantChannel Před 7 měsíci

      @@index7787 yeah seems like the next move to get more air time

    • @loddude5706
      @loddude5706 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Build a wing of linked bottles? - sized to form the aerofoil? - "We'll need a bigger pump!" : )

  • @ast_rsk
    @ast_rsk Před 7 měsíci

    It's so fantastic seeing all the progress up till now! Well done and congratulations on the 1m 22s flight time! What a wonderful design :)

  • @Ar0d
    @Ar0d Před 6 měsíci

    I've loved this series. Thanks Tom S.

  • @kalash_fox7049
    @kalash_fox7049 Před 7 měsíci +34

    This may be a crazy idea, but what if you had two bottle fuselages each with their own engine? kinda like a P38. Or maybe you could get four bottles together and fly it with the twin cylinder engines, which while less efficient should let you climb better and then you could glide for longer. Also the increased weight would make it handle wind better.

    • @calebs4887
      @calebs4887 Před 7 měsíci +8

      Yes, now that we have done the efficient stuff, lets have some fun and do some ridiculous stuff.

  • @Teh-Penguin
    @Teh-Penguin Před 7 měsíci +12

    Engineers are just children playing with the world.
    I love watching your progress over the years!

  • @crispy9175
    @crispy9175 Před 7 měsíci

    This has been the greatest journey to watch. Thank you for the quality content and build.

  • @HowP88
    @HowP88 Před 7 měsíci

    Congratulations Tom, it's been great watching you on this journey, and the results are astounding. Hope you get to the point where you can commercialise it, I'm sure there would be several buyers on here 🙂

  • @theballoondr
    @theballoondr Před 7 měsíci +97

    Hi Tom ! I was following your updates for a while.
    As an Air Hogs lover, I got into your journey to build your own air powered plane.
    Just let me say that I'm really proud of you !!
    1.22 minutes is more than a sucsess !! it is MARVELOUS !! UNBELIBABLE !!! BRILLIANT !!!
    Your determination and your amzing skills are really impresive !!!
    Congratulations from Buenos Aires, Argentina !!
    And of course I'll be tuned to see the next flight !!
    Many thanks Tom !! YOU DID IT 💪💪💪!!!
    Hugs dude !!

  • @pigeonpigeon7973
    @pigeonpigeon7973 Před 7 měsíci +224

    Id love to see if you could somehow use the wings as extra air tanks

    • @brlamb5
      @brlamb5 Před 7 měsíci +8

      I was thinking the same thing. Maybe there is some lightweight tubing that he could route through the holes... as long as it could hold pressure.

    • @Zaros262
      @Zaros262 Před 7 měsíci +22

      You probably need as round a shape as possible to maximize volume per unit surface area, since the surface needs to be strong and therefore heavy

    • @gracefool
      @gracefool Před 7 měsíci +5

      ​@@brlamb5tubing would be heavy, very high surface area per volume.

    • @BiggestHottestGuy
      @BiggestHottestGuy Před 7 měsíci +2

      airplanes today store fuel in their wings so it's cool to see this same idea pop up for this air powered plane! :D

    • @SmilingDevil
      @SmilingDevil Před 7 měsíci +7

      I‘m guessing high pressure air tanks will make this unnecessarily complicated or would require molds and industrial equipment only a mass product could make cost efficient use of.

  • @onepairofhands
    @onepairofhands Před 3 měsíci

    great effort Tom - subscribed to follow your progress !

  • @danemoeckel2518
    @danemoeckel2518 Před 7 měsíci

    This is incredible, i love everything about this

  • @Klud987
    @Klud987 Před 7 měsíci +101

    I'm so impressed by the level you reached after all those years, it's so satisfying to watch the evolution of your designs !
    Keep going mate ! 💪

  • @geekymgee
    @geekymgee Před 7 měsíci +59

    One potential improvement I can think of is recycling some of the air from the expansion stroke of the motor to give the return stroke a small boost. It might even smooth out the impulse and lead to less rattling.

    • @Javii96
      @Javii96 Před 7 měsíci

      Great idea

    • @VyantQuijt
      @VyantQuijt Před 7 měsíci +7

      I was thinking this will cause the piston to move back up above the exhaust hole before the pressure has dropped enough for the seal to retract.
      But then I realized the seal responds to differential pressure...
      So if anything you'd want to create a chamber below the piston where you dump gas to hasten pressure equalization which will break the seal, and then expediate the exhaust extraction, without actually introducing pumping losses on the powerstroke.
      I think overall you'll have more benefits from larger exhaust port area,
      and maybe you can harness some efficiency by nozzling the gas backwards for direct propulsion, or directing it at the crankshaft to accelerate it through bottom dead center. But then you're going to have to consult Alex from 2stroke stuffing about how to tune exhaust pulses I think 😅

    • @thegregdavieschannel
      @thegregdavieschannel Před 7 měsíci +1

      I was also thinking along these lines. If the high pressure air was applied to the underside of the piston where the surface area was a little less and then using the spent air on the conventional side of the piston it could help balance the pressure losses.

    • @VyantQuijt
      @VyantQuijt Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@thegregdavieschannel but if you're injecting pressurized air on the crank side you have a larger volume to fill and will probably have airleaks around the crankshaft or need seals to minimize losses. I think both will likely hurt the overall efficiency more than you'll be able to harness with recycled gas

    • @thegregdavieschannel
      @thegregdavieschannel Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@VyantQuijt some steam engines used a larger secondary compounding cylinder to harness some of the residual energy.
      It would be really neat to try and make that work in a single cylinder engine, but alternatively a twin cylinder engine might be the way forward.

  • @rexschimmer7394
    @rexschimmer7394 Před 6 měsíci

    Tom,
    I am always impressed by the way you approach your projects and how you go about fabricating them. The latest air powered airplane is a great example of your thinking and fabrication skills. I look forward to all of your latest projects.

  • @GregBabineau
    @GregBabineau Před 7 měsíci

    Great work!! Seeing it fly so well was amazing.

  • @ironic2468
    @ironic2468 Před 7 měsíci +69

    This has been such a fascinating and well made series. Multi-engine plane soon?

  • @okkolanpoko3432
    @okkolanpoko3432 Před 7 měsíci +27

    I have always thought that those 12 g CO2 capsules have 12 g of liquid CO2. In that case one 12 g CO2 capsule would have something like 6-7 liters of gas depending of air temperature and pressure.

    • @leocurious9919
      @leocurious9919 Před 7 měsíci +1

      You were thinking correct. He, for some reason, assumes it is just pressurized CO2 gas. At which would they could just as well have used air. The whole point of CO2 is that it is a liquid.

  • @andresyesidmorenovilla7888
    @andresyesidmorenovilla7888 Před 7 měsíci

    Duuuuuude this is so fricking coool! Congratulations! All those years of hard work have paid off!

  • @pro_gemer
    @pro_gemer Před 7 měsíci +2

    everything about this is awesome but what stands out to me is how satisfying it sounds 😩😩😩😩

  • @claudiusraphael9423
    @claudiusraphael9423 Před 7 měsíci +52

    Duuudeee, now imagine letting these parts produce as a universal kit for all the usual bottles out there and then .. kitefests and GIGANTIC AIRSHIPS MADE OF BOTTLES, PLEAZE!!

    • @Dartoras
      @Dartoras Před 7 měsíci +1

      imagine (DON'T PUSH HIM HE IS GETTING OLD)

    • @Briaaanz
      @Briaaanz Před 7 měsíci +1

      What about an air powered model war? RC planes, water rockets, etc

    • @claudiusraphael9423
      @claudiusraphael9423 Před 7 měsíci

      @@Briaaanz absolutely lov it!!

  • @OliWarner
    @OliWarner Před 7 měsíci +12

    Just echoing everyone else: it feels I've been watching you build these since forever ago and it's amazing to see how far you've brought it. Superb work.

  • @your1servant
    @your1servant Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks Tom, I appreciate your thoughtfulness and delivery :)

  • @petersterling5334
    @petersterling5334 Před měsícem

    Great Work on this Project!!

  • @rlp1905
    @rlp1905 Před 7 měsíci +42

    Great evolution, Tom.
    A few suggestions to add to what other people already said:
    1 - splice multiple bottles together for added air volume while shaving some weight.
    2 - As you add more bottles, you might want to consider using the bottles as a structural piece to hold the tail. It will save a bit in terms of size of the aircraft and might end up saving some weight too.
    3 - For the balsa wood parts, you can probably make some more holes into it without affecting the structure too much. And since we are talking about shaving some grams, you might want check the weight the paint is adding.
    Looking forward to the next video of the series. =)

    • @Avardent
      @Avardent Před 7 měsíci +14

      We all know some cool paintschemes make the plane faster

    • @Reinier020
      @Reinier020 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Valid points

  • @TopDedCenter1
    @TopDedCenter1 Před 7 měsíci +14

    If the tail feathers were stick-built like a typical (now considered old-school I suppose) balsa model, it would be lighter than a slab of balsa with lightening holes drilled in it. Love watching you develop this project, Tom!

    • @hisokaf6793
      @hisokaf6793 Před 7 měsíci +1

      My thoughts exactly. Same with the wings, and no need for the leaving edge sheeting at this type of plane. Nothing beats stick balsa when it comes to stiffness to weight ratio, maybe carbon fiber but not by much.

  • @iliketowatch.
    @iliketowatch. Před 7 měsíci +1

    Congrats! Very well done. This has been like going back in time and watching the Wright Bros at work. 😄

  • @Tagirkai
    @Tagirkai Před 7 měsíci

    That is great video. It is very interesting to watch the whole process of engineering such complicated thing

  • @kildogery
    @kildogery Před 7 měsíci +6

    I've literally just paused at you pumping up the bottles "for the first time" I love your attention to detail and how much you cover each iteration.
    This feels like the culmination of a real journey. Hope it goes miles
    Excellent work.

  • @HarmLess7
    @HarmLess7 Před 7 měsíci +4

    If this doesn't become a kit you can buy I'll be so upset! Amazing work Tom as always!!

  • @steveholt8991
    @steveholt8991 Před 5 měsíci

    This is a great channel, so inventive. Keep up the good work Tom !

  • @GadgetAddict
    @GadgetAddict Před 7 měsíci +3

    The way you bolted the bottles together was pretty genius.

  • @PlaneAwesome
    @PlaneAwesome Před 7 měsíci +35

    This is fantastic! As a fellow AirHogs-era kid, I'm so happy to see you succeed to such an amazing degree! Next up: 5 minutes!

  • @2jzplusboost
    @2jzplusboost Před 7 měsíci +23

    LETS GO TOM ive followed this series for years and always excited the moment i see a video. i’ve been following the engine series and knew something big was coming for some time
    great work again

  • @chrisbanks7830
    @chrisbanks7830 Před 7 měsíci

    This is honestly super impressive. Well done. Wow....

  • @visnjamusa9395
    @visnjamusa9395 Před 7 měsíci

    Excellent work! Congratulations!

  • @jostromp7380
    @jostromp7380 Před 7 měsíci +25

    So glad to see the accumulation of your research unfold into this marvelous flying machine! Great work!

  • @burgundyknight6826
    @burgundyknight6826 Před 7 měsíci +15

    Watching you tackle each issue that comes up and continuing to improving it at the same time so satisfying. The finished product looks so cool and seeing it successfully fly for that long was impressive.

  • @TheHoneyBadgerDUDE
    @TheHoneyBadgerDUDE Před 7 měsíci

    this is f^cking sick dude, not only do you have all the engineering down, but you understand all of the aerodynamics and piloting details too, very impressed

  • @muhammetyigitozz
    @muhammetyigitozz Před 7 měsíci +11

    Its feeling really good to see the development on this project. From one video to another you worked really really hard and finally made it. Congrats man.

  • @macklog1
    @macklog1 Před 7 měsíci +5

    On the co2 point. I think 12 grams of co2 at standard atm conditions should take up ~6 liters. The co2 is liquid not a gas in those cartridges. Considering the drag difference between the 2 liter bottles you *may* be better off looking at the co2 idea again. Assuming you can regulate the pressure to something reasonable and give enough surface area to boil the co2 into gas.

  • @pawelchmielniak3275
    @pawelchmielniak3275 Před 7 měsíci

    Absolutely Rad! Best CZcams series that exists!

  • @MrPooPooJohn
    @MrPooPooJohn Před 7 měsíci

    This is insanely impressive. Well done

  • @m.streicher8286
    @m.streicher8286 Před 7 měsíci +6

    Watching you slowly improve your engine design has been the most interesting part to me.

  • @kaylor87
    @kaylor87 Před 7 měsíci +22

    Imagine if Tom Stanton, Integza, and Peter Sripol all got together to build an airplane...

    • @wilfriedklaebe
      @wilfriedklaebe Před 7 měsíci +5

      Air pressure powered jet plane!

    • @ajbp95
      @ajbp95 Před 7 měsíci +4

      No tomatoes in the world would any longer be safe!

    • @silverback3633
      @silverback3633 Před 7 měsíci +3

      Also, I would add the other two YT aeronautical guys NicholasRehm and Rctestflight. Tom uses NicholasRehm's controller.

  • @njh
    @njh Před 7 měsíci

    So impressive! Well done Tom!

  • @user-iw9kt3sm1j
    @user-iw9kt3sm1j Před 7 měsíci

    You continue to inspire me with every video! Not even my discipline of engineering but there's just something so satisfying.

  • @Cor-tex
    @Cor-tex Před 7 měsíci +73

    This suggestion may sound unconventional, but have you considered utilizing the wings as an air-tank?

    • @darinpringle5611
      @darinpringle5611 Před 7 měsíci +14

      In fact it sounds very conventional. Basically all passenger planes store their power source (fuel) in the wings.

    • @mbmurphy777
      @mbmurphy777 Před 7 měsíci +16

      You would have to completely change the design of the wings and they would have to be much heavier and stronger to hold 120 psi and hold their shape.

    • @mifphilip
      @mifphilip Před 7 měsíci +2

      With a full Carbon fibre wing, he could do it.

    • @haphazard1342
      @haphazard1342 Před 7 měsíci +9

      The shape is not conducive. To make an airfoil pressure vessel would require too much weight. To enclose a cylinder in the airfoil would probably be a waste of space.
      Instead, replacing the carbon tail spar with extended bottles for larger capacity and longer runtime would be easy and efficient.

    • @martynridley3671
      @martynridley3671 Před 7 měsíci +1

      A pressure vessel needs to have the smallest surface area possible to maximise it's efficiency and the wing shape would be one of the worst possible designs for that purpose. That's 120 lbs force on every square inch of the wings surface, don't forget and that looks like a lot of square inches to me and relatively not much volume! Imagine how much force there would be at the wing edges, trying to rip it apart! Curiosity may even tempt you to work it out, if you have the inclination. Actually, thinking about it, it would be equivalent to a teenager standing on every square inch inside the wing!

  • @halliwedge
    @halliwedge Před 7 měsíci +14

    I honestly love how these sound. Nice job!

  • @cameraman1234567890
    @cameraman1234567890 Před 7 měsíci

    That engine screams and is really powerful. Super impressive!

  • @bulletproofpepper2
    @bulletproofpepper2 Před 7 měsíci

    Brilliant! A friend of mine flies RC gliders, he uses surgical tubing and sting to launch the gliders. He uses natural thermal up drafts to lift the gliders to extend the flight times.

  • @LouiHandwerker
    @LouiHandwerker Před 7 měsíci +15

    I just wanna say huge congrats to such a long flight time! You put in so much time and effort optimizing every part of this plane and it definitely paid off!