The Tunguska is Painfully BALANCED! - 2S6 - War Thunder
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As stated, the 2S6 Tunguska is finally "Balanced", or was it nerfed for.. specific reasons?
And yes, the missiles may see a buff soon (So I've ben told), bringing this back up to spec!
00:00 - How was it Balanced?
04:21 - The Balancing sorta begins..
17:59 - Yep, its balanced..
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It's in my current 11.00 lineup and I got it prior to the pantsir being added, it was quite insane how agile that missle was. On top of that the radar was snappy, quick, and responsive. Once the pantsir it felt like a whole different vehicle.
I agree...
When I went to play it again after taking a break I kept wondering why it just felt so bad.
Gaijin definitely nerfed the Tunguska like hell to make us think we needed the Pantsir
Dumb ass the pantsir got the same nerf ☠️ only pilots that get shot down from the pantsir are dumb pilots that fly straight... litterally if the pilot wiggles his mouse the pantsir missle Flys off screen unable to
xm975 also, id rather take ir spaa out now.
@@tooshmart6669FlaRakPz 1 too..
SAMs got nerfed in general, especially with the missiles. And yeah, Rolands were nerfed especially. They have 20G overload limit compared to Tunguska's missile, but they manouver terribly, by far the worst guided SAMs in the game right now.
Top tier SPAA used to be one of my favorite things to play, but with the nerfs to stuff like the rolands and the ADATS Its painful now :(
So much same, here! :P
I rushed down the tech tree to get the 2s6 because it was good and fun to play, now. I dont even want to bring it out. like ever. I am all for balancing, but gaijin doesnt know how to balance things properly, they just nerf hammer things.
They hard nerfed the Tunguska. I used to love playing it but in a classic Gaijin move when the players were like "Russia doesn't need a new AA the Tunguska is really strong" they doubled down and said "are you sure about that?"
I just want them to randomly buff other vehicles like that. Imagine making the ADAT both SPAAs and TDs, meaning you can spawn it twice in a match (one with SPAA cost and one with TD cost of course).
went from one of the best spaa to one of the worst
WTF i think its better than otomatic machbet or type 93
@@petr8976Are you retarded? The Machbet and Type 93 are leagues below it in BR and the OTOMATIC can be considered comparable despite the entire Italian top tier knowingly being uptiered by 1.0 BR.
“Went from one of the best to one of the worst”. ITO/ADATS/Type93/OTO etc would like to have a word.
@@buffka5023 ADATS still is very usable even with the changes. Actually pretty responsible besides all the latency issues. Those you mentioned and the 2S6 are nearly unplayable.
@@buffka5023Dont forget FlaRakRad
The fact that the radar cant go down is on every AA, gaijin really loves breaking things
All praise to the giant “shoot me” signal
I was wondering why they didn't go down, this explains it, thx!
They certainly used to! Sad now.
the radar can go down
@@chrisd7803 it can now, but when the vid released they were bugged and couldnt
Video on the Stormer HVM perhaps? Damage is still questionable but it is probably one of the easiest to control missiles now and is the bane of all helicopters lmao
So true, the Stormer is absolutely lovely at 10.3 :)
I absolutely hate how all the other SPAA were nerfed. :(
@@TheDominiqueG I can taste the sarcasm in the first part of your comment.
@@darugdawg2453 Flares don't work against the stormers starstreak missiles because the starstreak missiles don't use heatseeking warhead, you always being killed by them is just bad luck.
Best against helicopters, unlike the Pantsir, his missiles does not swing, the radar and IRIST are not captured on missiles, flares, chaffs. the radar lock does not twitch and does not go into the ground. although sometimes they destroy me with 3 hits on the Mi 28, because of the armor.
I love my stormer honestly the only fun topish tier vehicle the British has. If you can find the spot I’ve slapped planes out
Gaijin really need to dial down the SACLOS guidance delay, I get that its for realism but now its hard to hit manuevering aircraft unlike before which in turn increases the CAS presence and ruinung the GRB even more
Realism is good until it hurts gameplay it is a balance thing that needs to be fixed. All aa has suffered because of this change, and it's not cool
Hi coul you tell how lock target on keyboard whit tungusta and pansir and how aim whit out mouse
7:33, they broke like every SPAA damage model. gg gaijin
@@darugdawg2453 most of the time its stupid overpressure
@@darugdawg2453it's meant to be a spaa yet it's a light tank and gets apfsds that it never got (from what I read) which is one of those Russia gets too much shit especially if it's not accurate
Its just sad how bad top tier spaas became, in the german tech tree, the gepard 1A2 is the best spaa now...
*Cries in Japan AA*
I had some much fun a few years ago exclusively playing the Tunguska and shutting down the skies. Old IRST with range measurements plus the old missiles meant I could kill consistently at 10km, almost every time. It was ine of my favorite vehicles :(
7:35 They disabled that on all radar SPAA JustinPlays
I think the Strela just comes in more handy. It never fails to take out jets that dare come too close, mainly because the missile can pull 20 Gs and most jets don't flare when too close because they are focused on their target or just avoiding the ground.
You are still lacking against helicopters and +5 km aircraft + the guns but you can't have everything I guess.
I love how this has better therms than most of the abrams
I got this thing yesterday and I get destroyed by most things because either the missle goes miles off target or I do 0 dmg. I mean I played it only a couple of times and lost agains uav's because I hit them and only dmg their landing gear. It is so frustrating especially with only 8km at the beginning
The missile also starts to wobble like hell over 6 km
2:32 Guarantee whether they made it's stats match irl or not they nerfed it to stretch that stick the carrot is on that much further down the tree to the pantsir to motivate people to keep grinding or even use GE to CRP the pantsir.
The main reason i love the german missile bus so much is the irst is SUPERB. you should do a up to date vid for german battle bus its a blast
That radar thing, where it doesn't go down, seems to apply to all radar SPAA right now. I've heard it happening with the Gepard, and more painfully, with my ZA-35. That thing is like 20ft tall and you can't see anything with it up!
yeah the jitter of the all SAM missiles is really only felt in real matches, if you try it in test drive that goes away almost entirely.
noticed the same for all missiles even ATGM's
11:04 Stalin himself guided that missile.
I'd rather take the Strela over this thing now.
yep
you should play the gepard justin
Also the 2s6 isn't the only vehicle effected by the radar bug, from what I've seen the pgz04 and pgz09 also has it. Yet to know if other vehicles are effected
The teams folding hardcore in 30 seconds at high/top tier is a serious problem rn they need to punish people who just one and done because it's making top tier grinding nearly impossible anymore
Or motivate people to stay for more than one spawn, while increasing accessibility for backups.
No, they need to make maps made for fucking top tier, all this garbage we're playing on was made before anything with stabilizers and lasers came out.
That is the trouble with premiums at that br. I still do not get they put in Premiums at 10.3. And most cc tank playing muppets leave with 1 death
Well tbh i make my 3/4 kills take my 566 out and when k get pantsir clapped even behind tree lines and shit i jusg leave why tf would i take the flakrad just to suffer from more SL loss🤷♂️
Guaranteed extra spawn without backup would solve it.. Or not selling high tier premiums would be another, but that ship has sailed
I remeber fighting this thing a while back and it being unbeatable, and now that i unlocked literally yesterday i realised how bad the missiles are now
Keep up the good work
That snap shot at 1:50 was nasty
China has the best anti-air lineup in my opinion, from 8.3-12.0 I can easily jump into a vehicle and kill the CAS that just killed me. PGZ's, TY-90 heli's from 9.7, Tor M1, J8f, F-16MLU. If im playing China anti-cas is fun. That is why imo there is a big gap between 9.3 and 11.7 for China AA because the TY-90 fills the gap.
Although we need to fill that gap, rn helis are too hard to grind and I don't want to buy a z-19 just to grind it out. Hopefully they add the thing where you can grind helis with tanks
Also pgz09 extremely underrated, good guns and thermals and speed only downside being the -2 depression. And pgz04 and pgz09 should switch places, give missiles to pgz09 and call it that, insane that pgz09 is literally better in everyway yet sits lower
@@shikikanaz4624 Most top tier heli's maybe carry 4 aa missiles the z-10 can carry 16 lol. I never bought the z-19 premium but the tech tree version has the search radar and 8 of the best missiles in the game makes it a great spaa.
@@tooshmart6669 the problem is the grind, you can get the z9w which has 4 ty90s but it's like 380,000 rp and sits at 9.7 so grinding modules can either be hard or play pve and boring
9:47 not punishing one death leavplayers is definitely fine and doesn't affect players gameplay at all
Well if you spend 1 sec looking at the vehicles you would see that it's all premiums. which almost certainly means that these players have no other vehicles to bring out.
A lot of times too tier games are decided on the first 5 minutes, after that it's either your team is stomping, or the enemy has taken all of the points overlooking your spawn exits.
Damn, the 2S6 is what brought me to warthunder
The lines on the radar are 5/10/15/20km so the irst missing range doesn't matter. Also they broke the Gepard radar dish too.
This one hurts...loved my 2S6 but now its just pain to play. The real issue was that gaijin nerfed all SPAA to make the new shiny 4th gen jets more appealing to grind for.
When the pantsir came out the 2S6 had a almost 2sec delay from when you fired a missile to follow your cursor, it became less responsive and delayed in following your cursor. I couldn’t even kill a heli from 1km out. It’s better now but not what it used to be.
I’ll miss the games where I would just spawn the 2S6 and get 6+ aircraft kills (before panstir came out)
Amazing video as usual hehe and the thing i hate the most about the whole SPAA situation right now is the fact that they self nerf the tunguska, because it was the first SPAA to have the wonky missiles, then they make the excuse that russia 'need it'' the Pantsir, and now EVERYONE is useless BUT of course the Soviets like the TOR and the pantsir being at the top and the flakrad being the worst with the VT 1s, the best anti air method right now is to get your fighter jet and go hunting planes :), thx gaijin.
The one thing i can say is the missiles for it used to be way faster before the nerf
Hey Justin plays i feel your pain too , getting bad team
hope your doing well! Keep up the geat work!
Once upon a time this was the most feared SPAA at top tier
Fun fact by the 30mm Guns that are not 4 Guns that are 2 Guns with 2 Barrels and that is copied from a German System called Gast System from Karl Gast who devolped this System during WW1.
The missile nerf hits hard on the flakradpaz 1
1 stupid move by Gaijin. They unleashed Pantsir and reduced Tunguska's power thinking "for balance". And now the Russian air defense BR
Finally i found someone who has the same radar problem 7:29
When it was first nerfed i tested it out in costom matches and its rader fet finicky. Had my friend do a barrel roll and i lost lock somehow, he was five kilometers out in open air with no obstacles coming straight at me. Second thing i noticed was locking on to guide the missile was worse off. Especially when the plane is flying across your firing line. The proxi fuse seems to be worse now and either this was a bug or bad proxi but it would look like the missile would go right through the plane. I even had a hard time with lower br planes. Without rader or irst lock its better but it just feels so bad to use now which makes me sad because i really like this vehicle
Type 87's radar stow animation is also broken. A shame as it was nice to get a bit less profile.
When that A-10 came flying in upside down, the first thing I thought was: "When did they add the Su-57? And why is it fighting the Russians?"
Used to love this, it was fun playing but now it's unstable more than balanced in my opinion. How the mighty have fallen.
I love how my 9.7 no thermal 1.98mi missile using heli is constantly up against this thing, they really need to change how brs are set up.
I'd like to see a top tier gamemode where smart weapons for aircraft and mouse guided missile SPAA are banned but not the aircraft themselves, that'll give the players that enjoy CAS to keep CASing and tanks on the ground don't have to worry about guided munitions coming from space. And yes, one could just play at a lower BR, but I love the top tier vehicles and that could be a good middle ground for top tier.
I tend to use radar against A-10s and the likes and put my crosshairs squarely on top of them. Shot down every time at 12k if they are heading for me and up to like 6km if peripendicular. Is this something that has been improved since this video was made or is it just a different way of playing it?
can you make a review of the flakrakpz or the american xm975? they are unplayable against jets and sometimes helis
If it’s unplayable then why would he make a video on it?
@@spif9881 Because if its unplayable then its not balanced. Meaning it needs to be rebalanced to be useful.
@@Shooter10m you know gaijin does not care about balancing American tanks 😭 he just covered an SPAA i don’t think he’d cover another one even (even though it’s an air-tank destroyer)
@@spif9881 content is content lol
@@Shooter10m content is not content when he probably wouldn’t cover it, ei you said it being unbalanced and it being an aa
Justin, a man who'll have a keybind to turn off stabilizer for some odd reason
All cool and all, but how do i get GE for WT on Ios?
Fast-forward 4 month... You should probably review it again, they changed quite a bit of stuff for SPAAs in general. Not sure how this was affected but for instance the missile has 32G overload IIRC. Also I could spot none of the missile wonkiness at higher ranges.
They broke the radar damage model on every as
Justin I gotta challenge for you: Play top tier battles without a stabilizer
The Tunguska was one of my favourite tanks to play, I would use it like a falcon and hunt tanks since the AAMs were basically giant HE shells
Bruh, the Missles are bad agains tanks
@@number7red619 this was before the missile changes
@@logannicholson1850 Huh? So now its better or worse?
@@number7red619 the SAMs use to be very easy to use, they flew really accurately meaning u could aim them with pinpoint accuracy at the roofs or below the tracks of MBTs to 1 shot them cause of over pressure
Now they can’t do that
@@logannicholson1850 oh sad. I sometimes lategame rushed in, with my 30mms tho
Their reasoning for new SACLOS physics and Pantsir was that TOR M1 was too bad with its maneuvering capabilities.
Guess what now have twice the G load?
half the players in top tier dont even bring out a lineup.
Ive been playing the type-90 and i can say t-80 bvms are horrifying
Wait till you get the type 10. The round + 4 second reload tears fools apart.
the FlakRakRad is so painful to use now
it is so bad with the rider jamming and when turn off the rider it doesn't go down at lest i was able to play it like a light tank now i can't even do anything with it , it's so sad that we lost a good one
They always do, go and compare an Aim9J with how it was when it was the premier missile
Would love to try this app but it’s not available on iPhone
Ge for warthunder app doesn´t work on my phone
Ahh finally, some SPAA gameplay
Cries in overcreeped ADATS
i hit a heli with my abrams, it was hella far, but it was repairing just sitting there so no skill cuz laser range finder but still i made bro mad and it was fun
tunguska getting balanced again
It's not as strong as it was before the pansir was introduced but I'd still say it is the best spaa in it's BR 10.0-10.7 BR area
No
I play top tier russian but still use the the Strela just because it is much better than the 2s6
Based strela user
The roland now is totally unplayable, a sea vixen evaded a roland 3 with a slight turn and the smoke generator in the back doesn't help too, i've suggested realistic auto-lead mechanics for all vehicles that have it (ito, adats, tunguska, roland2/3, stormer, flarakrad) it could be a researchable modification. The auto-lead could require radar lock or laser designator range. It would encourage pilots to fly more carefully 10.0 and up, more widespread auto-lead mechanics could also create a great reason to add ARM's.
What do you think?
A video about the CM11 or ZLT11 as I am soon reaching china 9.3
CM11 has been done already. TL;DW: depressingly slow, just a slow pos, and shit protection.
They updated it just a day before I got it too 😭
A Germany, Russian, Swedish combo = premium galore 😂 games go too quick
Ngl. Playing SPAA purely is like playing horror game in WT 😂
If that is considered jittery and going crazy then checkout the adats and roland
"It's just a drone, don't worry about it"
I dunno, Justin...it seems you've found a cure for cancer there! That's certainly a good thing!
The part when the entire died in the first 3 minutes is so relatable
planes keep getting better, while SPAA gets nerf after nerf
XM1069 is also very bad, especially the SP. Killing tank has never been so much more frustrating. You cant really aim for the first 100 meters or so.
What w. Udssr? 🤯🛡️
7:30 on every spaa rn
used to be one of my favorite things to play,not anymore
Otomatice goes up a br but Tunguska goes down even though it's worst
They need to reverse the missile and ATGM changes. They've just ruined them all
Yeah, they broke all SPAA model
5:30 the drone your shooting at is almost 20km away look at the Radar Also the 2S6 is balanced now the 2S6 wasnt a super good anti Jet tank like it was in warthunder 2 and a half years ago This is how the 2S6 performs IRL
When they were adding the Pansir, they said that it's because the 2S6 was too weak. Everyone argued that it's not bad, and Pansir isn't needed. So Gajijn doubled down and just nerfed the 2S6 so the reality fits their opinion lol. This is always been the case. You can leave russia, but russia won't ever leave you. And thus, we end up with those eastern methods of balancing the game lol.
Gaijin deffo did it dirty... at this point its no better than 10.3 SAMs
Problem is to nerf the pantsir they nered tungi too. Which was not neccessary. All of these missile changes was to nerf mainly 2 vehicles, that did the job but they still are powerfull. Ka52 and Pantsir are still powerhouse machines, just not as easy to use anymore.
Looking at your russian line, i can see that you have lots of tanks from different BRs. 10.0 tabks lined up with 10.7 tanks. At top tier, this differences doesn't make differece? At lower tiers, this 0.7 BR difference makes a hell of a difference, so that's why i'm asking.
Obs: this "free GE" really works?
@@darugdawg2453 so... Turms with its 450mm pen can withstand higher BR matches?
@@RenanSAbreuyep easily,used it alot on GSB line up
Yeah 10.0 to 10.7 right now sucks , I've lost 7/10 matches today
@JustinPlays You feel the SAME EXACT way I feel cause I get top of the team and CONSTANT losses and nothing more than that just pisses me off getting a loss after loss after loss and its just BULLSHIT
It's still a Russian bias though because I just survive a missile hit on the hull
Will be nice when they bring in zero silver loss for premiums. Some of these teams put you in debt.
Ah the Tunguska, an AA so good at killing tanks they claimed it was bad at killing planes so they reworked the whole class xD
ESPECIALLY with the new op as fuck cas coming in, they need to unnerf the AA missiles asap
9:45 Aaaaaaand that's why I don't like to play top tier.
Why isn't the pantsir nerfed yet
Im sorry and i thank u just for ur awesome contents 🔭⚜️
Type 93 when?