CAPT. DARRELL & the CARL D. BRADLEY TRAGEDY

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  • čas přidán 3. 02. 2023
  • The world is well in tune with the story of the Edmund Fitzgerald, which sank in a horrific November storm in Lake Superior in 1975; but the lesser known story of the Carl D. Bradley was equally tragic when it broke apart in Lake Michigan in another terrible November storm, this one on November 18, 1958. Of the 35 men aboard, two survived a frightening all-night ride in a life raft in 25-ft. seas with freezing wind and temperatures that haunted the survivors for 15 hours before they were rescued. Of the 33 men who died, 23 of them were from Rogers City, Michigan where one funeral after another affected the small lake town for decades to come. Join me, the History Mystery Man and Captain Darrell Walton for another fascinating dive into more Great Lakes Maritime true stories...this one featuring the "Queen of the Great Lakes", the Carl D. Bradley. Thanks for your support! #CarlDBradley #Shipwrecks #GreatLakes #EdmundFitzgerald #HistoryMysteryMan #FrankMays #ElmerFleming #GreatLakesStorms

Komentáře • 199

  • @Bluecollarwelderdad
    @Bluecollarwelderdad Před rokem +56

    Captain Darrel is a guy I could sit with everyday and just listen to his stories.

    • @pixelshark6809
      @pixelshark6809 Před rokem +6

      I literally think I would be totally star struck if I met Capt. Darrell at this point. Like “He sailed on the FITZ!!!” 👀

    • @Bluecollarwelderdad
      @Bluecollarwelderdad Před rokem +6

      @@pixelshark6809 I could see how you would be he's definitely a guy I look up to

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +12

      He's a lot of fun to sit down with and hear his tales. Thanks for watching...HMM

    • @Bluecollarwelderdad
      @Bluecollarwelderdad Před rokem +8

      @@HistoryMysteryMan I bet we need Capt Darrel as a regular guest

    • @darrellwalton938
      @darrellwalton938 Před rokem +9

      I had been on the "Fitz", however, it was my brother Tom who sailed on her during a Summer break from college, at the same time our Dad was the Chief Engineer.

  • @filmchick6389
    @filmchick6389 Před rokem +26

    Such compelling testimony. I’d like to sit in a country pub where I live in England - fire in the hearth, drinks on the table, dogs at our feet - and just listen to Captain Darrell for hours. I’d buy the man a pint or two of anything he’s drinking. And if any listeners would like to hear a tale of seafaring courage - search Penlee Lifeboat disaster - cruel sea - and listen to my own country’s 58 minutes of compelling bravery. These men are the best of us.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +8

      Thanks Filmchick 63. Sitting in a pub in England with you and Captain Darrell sounds like so much fun. I've never heard of the Penlee Lifeboat Disaster, but I'm definitely going to be checking it out. Thanks for your support...so cool to hear from England! HMM

    • @filmchick6389
      @filmchick6389 Před rokem +7

      @@HistoryMysteryMan I think Penlee is a story everyone should know - like the Fitz. These are our great nautical historical legacies and need to be retold. Thanks for your content.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +3

      @@filmchick6389 You're always welcome; thanks again! HMM

    • @darrellwalton938
      @darrellwalton938 Před 11 měsíci +4

      Maybe a game of "Darts", too!

    • @nw8000
      @nw8000 Před 6 měsíci

      @@darrellwalton938 I will supply the potato Chips!

  • @RomeroTV
    @RomeroTV Před rokem +6

    Yesssss !

  • @stynger007
    @stynger007 Před rokem +19

    Captain Darrell is a great story teller. So many of these freighters split in 2 , lack of maintenance seems to be the common denominator. No other ship sinkings on the great lakes since the Fitz. No one allowed to dive on her either. Liabilities are still a thing same as the lie about the Bradley being in one piece when it was in two. Captain Darrell was right, corporate greed superceded safety. Thanks again for this channel HMM, keep them coming! 👍

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +3

      You're always welcome; thanks for your support. Capt. Darrell is the best! HMM

    • @gilliankingston8259
      @gilliankingston8259 Před rokem +1

      Maybe not just about where the blame is laid or not or insurance/compensation being due but also a maintenance/repair issue; surely, of course, from a human standpoint regarding the safety and wellbeing of the Crew Members but also the value of the ship herself it makes more sense to keep her well maintained and in good repair than run her into the ground so she becomes worth little more than scrap (possibly at the cost of a cargo run or two)?

  • @fluxerflixer1
    @fluxerflixer1 Před rokem +7

    Keep them coming. Pretty soon, they will be gone forever. Capture them now. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

  • @jimross6094
    @jimross6094 Před rokem +5

    I always enjoy listening to Captain Darrell

  • @Bighead_Joe
    @Bighead_Joe Před rokem +23

    Been fascinated by the Fitz, the Morrell, and the Bradley for a few years now!
    Keep these stories coming HMM!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +7

      Yeah...it's easy to get hooked on this stuff. Thanks for watching! HMM

  • @Peter.w
    @Peter.w Před rokem +4

    We need more of Capt Darrell

  • @RAV1953
    @RAV1953 Před rokem +22

    My heart goes out to all survivors of these sinkings....especially the children who were orphaned. May all find peace and of course, RIP to all who died.
    BTW, another excellent video!!

  • @MikeHunt-fo3ow
    @MikeHunt-fo3ow Před rokem +7

    good stuff......ever interview an old timer tig boat worker........im sure they got epic stories

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +5

      I'd love to interview an old-time tugboat worker. My stepdad was a tug captain, as I was/am. Maybe I should interview myself. Thanks for watching...HMM

  • @beberle9641
    @beberle9641 Před rokem +4

    Thanks for another great video HMM. RIP to all we have lost to the mighty Great Lakes. See you on the next video. Brian

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      You got it Brian; thanks for your continued support...always appreciated! HMM

  • @Peter.w
    @Peter.w Před rokem +7

    another great video HMM, Capt Darrell is an amazing guy. Thanks for this new video on the Bradley.. a ship loss that was overshadowed by the Fitz Tragedy...

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +2

      Thanks...so appreciated. I know Capt. Darrell digs it too! HMM

  • @loricharpentier1654
    @loricharpentier1654 Před rokem +9

    Captain Darrell is a wonderful storyteller, and it's all so factual. I would love to meet him in person.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      Thanks Lori...I'm sure he'd be glad to meet you. Thanks for watching! HMM

  • @insertnamehere313
    @insertnamehere313 Před rokem +8

    It feels like Christmas every time when you're video's pops up on my notifications.😁

  • @jeremymcmanus6624
    @jeremymcmanus6624 Před rokem +9

    Captain Walton is all aces! I could listen to him tell stories all day! Enjoy all you and his videos!

  • @burker1301
    @burker1301 Před rokem +5

    Yet another fantastic job do you and captain Darrell make a great pair. The port town of Roger city is 30 miles north of my hometown of Alpena. All those crew men passed away had a profound effect on that little town of about 3200 people. There’s a beautiful memorial down on the lake dedicated to the crewmembers of the Bradley. I worked with a fellow state trooper whose father was lost on that ship, he was just a little boy when that happened. Keep up the great work. Tell Captain Darrell he needs to get his own podcast going he’s quite the colorful character. Love hearing him. By the way, I got a tour of the Arthur Anderson at calcite harbor when my buddy was human resource Director for calcite about 20 years ago. That was cool.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      Thanks for your support! I've never been to Rogers City, but we used to go into Alpena with our Tug and Barge...loved that town. I wonder who your fellow state trooper's name was? His dad's name? Thanks for your service as a state trooper! I've already said to Capt. Darrell that he should start his own CZcams channel. I'm certain he would be successful at it. But...to do it right, you have to be willing to commit 8-10 hours a day, every day, to make 'em go. It's a ton of work and commitment, but worth it. HMM

  • @robertayers9424
    @robertayers9424 Před rokem +6

    Thanks again! The conversation with Captain Darrell was another great one!

  • @rogerozdarski2935
    @rogerozdarski2935 Před rokem +7

    Thank you HMM.
    Thanks for keeping the memories of these work horses of the lakes alive.
    It's such a shame so many lives have been lost for the almight dollar.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +4

      You're welcome Roger; I always appreciate hearing from you. HMM

  • @goaskmymom1350
    @goaskmymom1350 Před rokem +4

    I spent countless hours trolling/fishing Lake Michigan between Milwaukee and Sheboygan. That lake can change in a heartbeat! Got caught in a storm with 25' swells and thought we'd never make it back to shore, I'll never forget the feeling of, 'this is it, just walls of black water totally surrounding us!" We were very fortunate to make it back whole!!
    I love watching your videos and find your in depth narration is always captivating!
    Keep up the great work!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      Thank you so much...and thanks for sharing your stories here on your adventures in Lake Michigan...sounds scary. HMM

  • @J.Runk81
    @J.Runk81 Před rokem +9

    Another great video guys. I’m 41 and have never sailed but find my self absolutely enamored by these stories. Thanks HMM!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      You're very welcome; thanks for taking the time to watch! HMM

  • @hambam7533
    @hambam7533 Před rokem +5

    one more thing you two guys make a good team your like two old friends that get together and reminece about the old days nice job gentlemen

  • @saiyansogordo1483
    @saiyansogordo1483 Před rokem +8

    Keep it up man! I live MI and love these story's about these boats. 😁 I agree they need to make a movie about of them.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +4

      Man I would so love to see a well done production of either the Morrell or the Bradley. Thanks for watching....HMM

    • @saiyansogordo1483
      @saiyansogordo1483 Před rokem +5

      @History Mystery Man I've lived in MI my whole life and just got married last year. I'm 32, and my wife and I went up north to Whitefish Point in late November. When I was looking out at Lake Superior, it was so majestic, and I couldn't stop thinking about the fitzgerald and all the other ships and people who tragically lost their lives. I enjoy your passion equally with these ships and the lakes! 😁

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +2

      @@saiyansogordo1483 Thanks, sir...so appreciated. I can't wait to visit Whitefish Point. Congrats on your marriage. HMM

  • @JohnnyLaps
    @JohnnyLaps Před rokem +5

    Love it,thank you again for the content.i could listen to you guys talk about the structure of a potato chip for three hours!!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +3

      The structure of a potato chip...sounds like the perfect content for the next one. Then we eat the whole bag. Thanks again, John...HMM

    • @JohnnyLaps
      @JohnnyLaps Před rokem +4

      @@HistoryMysteryMan I will be there!!

  • @wordenentertainment1997
    @wordenentertainment1997 Před rokem +15

    Another fantastic video! I'm curious about CAPT. DARRELL's opinion of a film adaptation to these great lakes freighters? I know I want to do one of the Edmund Fitzgerald, but I would also do ones on both the Morell and the Bradly, but tell them in a honest and respectful way. Love hearing his stories.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +6

      Thanks for watching. I'd love it someone would produce movies on the Bradley and the Morrell...I'd love to see someone else's take on what happened. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here. HMM

    • @darrellwalton938
      @darrellwalton938 Před rokem +3

      A movie about the "Fitz" is long overdue. How about Brad Pitt as Capt. McShorly!

    • @neuralmute
      @neuralmute Před rokem +1

      @@darrellwalton938 Hmm, Brad Pitt is a bit young for the part... How about getting Hugh Laurie to dust off his American accent to play a gruff freighter captain? And Jared Harris as Captain Bernie Cooper - he's got the look, he can do the accent too, and he's one of the best actors out there.

  • @tjhookit
    @tjhookit Před rokem +5

    ALWAYS a good evening when I get home and see a new video from HMM with Capt. Darrell.........thank you sir, salute!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      You're always welcome; thanks for taking the time to watch! HMM

  • @donmcnally9063
    @donmcnally9063 Před rokem +7

    Really enjoy your channel!!

  • @chuckg6039
    @chuckg6039 Před rokem +8

    Both you Captains did a wonderful job with this video. Just wonderful. But what a sad story to tell.

  • @rickbrandt9559
    @rickbrandt9559 Před rokem +5

    like your stuff. Do speedway Motors Museum too.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      Thanks! Are you talking about the Indianapolis Motor Speedway museum? HMM

  • @stevenreynolds8393
    @stevenreynolds8393 Před rokem +8

    Another great video! I remember all three events, the Bradley, Morrell and Fitzgerald and was looking forward to your coverage of the Carl Bradley. My aunt was originally from Rogers City. Her family was in the fishing business and worked on the lake. I don't believe any of her relatives were on the Carl Bradley. However, I'm sure that her relatives perhaps knew some of the effected families. Rogers City is a small community.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +4

      Thanks Steven. I can't imagine the effect the Bradley had on Rogers City...being that 23 of the men who died lived there. I appreciate you taking the time to watch! HMM

  • @ajbaumgart4774
    @ajbaumgart4774 Před rokem +11

    History mystery man and captain Walton for telling these men's stories and keeping their memories alive I always enjoy hearing these stories these brave men who died on the lakes deserve to have their ships and memories kept alive just sad that these ships had to sink and sailors have lost their lives it just amazes me that great lakes Captain's like yourself and Mr Walton want to keep the memories going big thank you to the both of you I just love our great lakes and our history around our great lakes

  • @artvandelay1099
    @artvandelay1099 Před rokem +15

    As someone with ties to Rogers City and who has spent a lot of time there, thanks for covering the topic. I have family in the Rogers City area and I had a great uncle who did some work on the Bradley fleet. My uncle also worked at Calcite and I had some cousins who worked at Calcite. It was a tremendous disaster for that little town. I don't know anyone who was lost in the wreck, but my uncle and cousins did. Some of the people in Rogers City felt forgotten about and marginalized after the Fitzgerald disaster. The Bradley disaster was worse, after all. When the Gordon Lightfoot song would come on the radio my uncle would turn the channel "ugh, this song again". I don't think he was serious. But the people in Rogers City did feel like they were forgotten about and overshadowed by the Fitzgerald sinking. I got to meet Frank Mays, he was a nice man. I fished for minnows with him. The town of Rogers City just got the bell off the Bradley 10 years ago or so.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +3

      Wow...you fished with Frank Mays! I'm jealous. I wish so bad I would have taken the time to meet him...and I'm angry at myself for not doing so. I really want to visit Rogers City soon; I can't imagine the effect the tragedy had on that little lake town. Thanks for your support! HMM

  • @huntm7592
    @huntm7592 Před rokem +6

    I have been on a 100ft wooden fishing boat in the Gulf of Mexico. That was losing planks on wood in a storm in the winter taking on a lot of water. Could only imagine what they went thur on them ships in the lakes. I know what wooden timber on a boat sound like when they snap and break gives me chills still. Boat I was on we saved tho just barely but we saved it from sinking.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      Thanks...great stories; thanks for sharing them here. The splitting of wood would be terrifying...but the splitting of steel would be beyond terrifying...the frightening noise that would make. Thanks for watching! HMM

  • @JMK571
    @JMK571 Před rokem +8

    My Mom’s Uncle, Joe Krawczak, died on this wreck. His family is pictured at 0:16 . And I agree that this story would make a wonderful film. I know there has been some discussion about it over the years, but I don’t know how far that has gotten. There is a wonderful documentary called November Requiem about the incident and the raising of the ships bell. One last thing to note-The story about the Bradley breaking in two is FALSE. I am friends with Ric Mixter, a well respected Great Lakes shipwreck historian and expert and he has told me that there is sonar proof that the Bradley is ripped apart, but not broken. According to Ric, the keel or the unloading belt held the ship together so that it did not completely break apart. If the Bradley broke apart into two pieces, it is more likely that the aft end would have sailed on, exactly like the Morrell. What really happened was that the ship split, flooded, and the forward end (still attached to the aft) pulled the aft end up, out of the water, and then down to the bottom. This is why both sections are sitting more or less in line and upright on the bottom of Lake Michigan.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +4

      Yeah...that photo of Krawczak and his family is haunting...and so sad. What a beautiful family he had. Interesting on the Bradley wreckage, especially since Frank Mays said he saw it break apart on the surface, and then saw it in two pieces on the bottom. I'm not discrediting anyone, but I'm not convinced either way. Experts will also tell me they know what happened to the Fitz when we will never definitively know what happened to the Fitz, short of video footage of it going down...and I'm pretty sure that doesn't exist. Thanks for writing in; I enjoyed hearing your take. HMM

    • @JMK571
      @JMK571 Před rokem +3

      @@HistoryMysteryMan You are 100% correct-the complete truth to these tragedies will never be known. The only thing I can think that would span both possibilities is that it ripped on the surface and was open like a hinge as it dove. This may have made it appear to Mays as though it was broken. And as for the video evidence showing it broken on the bottom, everything I’ve seen and read from unbiased people who have seen the footage say it is, at best, inconclusive due to the poor visibility. But, as you said, short of being there when it happened or conclusive evidence in the future, we’ll never know. And really, in the end, it doesn’t matter. It was a tragedy to the men lost and their families and loved ones. Thank you for these videos and for telling these stories, I really enjoy them!!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      Excellent points, and I'm so glad you shared them here...could not have said it better. You're absolutely correct...in the end it doesn't matter and nothing can bring those men back. Thanks for your support...and thanks for watching. HMM

  • @Rammstein0963.
    @Rammstein0963. Před 2 měsíci +2

    Mr. Darrell is a legend, we should listen to the keepers of history like him while we still can, they won't be around soon enough.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před 2 měsíci +2

      Thanks...great point. That's, in part, why I'm recording all these interviews...to lay the history down for future generations. Great feedback! HMM

    • @darrellwalton938
      @darrellwalton938 Před 2 měsíci +3

      I plan on being around for a while, if the “Good Lord’s willing, and the Creek don’t rise! Thanks for watching!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@darrellwalton938 In that case, I'll sign you for a 50-year contract!

  • @critterscute3642
    @critterscute3642 Před rokem +6

    Another masterpiece. Thank you! ❤

  • @todddickinson3262
    @todddickinson3262 Před rokem +9

    Man I watch every channel on CZcams that has anything to do with the Great Lake ships, and yours is by far the best. One of the reasons that is the case is that you have Captain Darrell and nobody else does. He is absolutely mesmerizing, and as I’ve commented before, I could listen to the two of you guys talk all things Great Lakes for hours. Another great video man, and can’t wait for the next one!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +3

      Thanks again, Todd...I really appreciate that. And I know Capt. Darrell does too. Sure appreciate your support...HMM

  • @difreighterwatcher8603
    @difreighterwatcher8603 Před rokem +9

    Thank you so much for recording these conversations with Captain Darrell. I must confess I could make a plate of cookies, brownies or cinnamon rolls (whichever the Captain prefers) and a pot of Coffee and listen for Hours to the stories of Sailing the Great Lakes this Treasure of a Man could recall. Bless you and bless Captain Darrell, these videos are Gifts.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +2

      Thanks! I consider your remarks as high compliments, and I'm so grateful. Thanks for watching! HMM

  • @michaelnault5905
    @michaelnault5905 Před rokem +3

    That storm 'did' terrorize the country. I read rescue efforts had to contend with Mississippi River barge radio traffic well they were fighting the same storm. Great video! I've enjoyed Capt Darrell's insights before. I'm glad he's made himself available.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem

      Yep...Capt. Darrell is turning into a rockstar. Thanks for watching, Michael...HMM

  • @riverbender9898
    @riverbender9898 Před rokem +3

    Another "riveting" tale! Thank You.

  • @chrisheinen9628
    @chrisheinen9628 Před rokem +7

    Great story 👍👍

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +2

      Thanks Chris...greatly appreciated. HMM

    • @gwest3523
      @gwest3523 Před rokem +3

      I really appreciate your videos, contributions & passion. I come from a family with my father as an ICW captain. Your videos really help me as my father is no longer with us.
      I’m on a GB42 in the Puget Sound and really enjoy learning more of life on The Lakes…MUCH more challenging environment on The Lakes.
      Continued peace & strength for more detailed & insightful videos.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      @@gwest3523 Thank you so much...greatly appreciated. I'll have to look up what exactly a GB42 is. Thanks for your wished of peace and strength...can't get enough of that. HMM

    • @gwest3523
      @gwest3523 Před rokem +2

      @@HistoryMysteryMan Grand Banks 42’.
      Peace and keep ‘em coming. Love your approach/history/commentary.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      @@gwest3523 Sooo appreciated...thanks!

  • @sikohki_7
    @sikohki_7 Před 9 měsíci +3

    Fascinating discussion about another fateful maritime story. Keep 'em coming.👍

  • @timlewis9873
    @timlewis9873 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I really appreciate Capt. Darrells knowlege of the Great Lakes shipping. Thank you.

  • @toddgilmore8412
    @toddgilmore8412 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I have a new respect for the harsh weather conditions in Nov in the Great Lakes. I just can't imagine the feeling of being onboard a freighter that is in the process of breaking up.
    The fixed life raft was very crude but effective. It was truly a miracle that 2 crewmen survived after such a long period on the raft.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před 3 měsíci +1

      The story of the Bradley is off-the-charts amazing. And to think one of the survivors (Frank Mays) died just three years ago. I'm kicking myself where it counts for not having the savvy to interview him when I had the chance. Thanks Todd...HMM

  • @KubotaBXathome
    @KubotaBXathome Před rokem +5

    You and the Captain are a fantastic tag team. You lay down well researched facts, he speaks his experience and knowledge, yet another stellar video. Thanks so much!

  • @johnbloemendal7593
    @johnbloemendal7593 Před rokem +5

    Saw this and couldn't click fast enough!❤️

  • @hectorlumbagoCringe
    @hectorlumbagoCringe Před 11 měsíci +2

    You, and this gentleman have incredible chemistry. Now I know everyone says this but, a podcast that’s biweekly or monthly while you guys discuss mysteries of the Great Lakes or maritime history in general would kick major butt.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Now that's the Best Idea of the Day Award for you Hector. Based on your feedback, there'll be more on the way. Thanks again, my new friend. HMM

  • @josh4125
    @josh4125 Před rokem +6

    I hope you guys keep up all these wonderful conversations so all the sailors legacies never die. rest in peace men

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +2

      Full speed ahead with Capt. Darrell. Thanks again, Josh! HMM

  • @choxxxieful
    @choxxxieful Před 11 měsíci +2

    I remember this when I was a child. I went to a summer camp near Frankfort, MI in the summer of 1959 and the sinking was still being duscussed in the area.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před 11 měsíci +1

      That's a super interesting childhood memory; thanks for sharing it here...and thanks for watching! HMM

  • @kelcritcarroll
    @kelcritcarroll Před 10 měsíci +4

    My husband worked for olgleby norton / Columbia transportation ….sailed twenty two years for that company as an officer in the engine room.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před 10 měsíci +2

      Wow! That's super interesting. Did your husband sail after the Fitz went down? Thanks for watching...HMM

  • @andrewnorris1514
    @andrewnorris1514 Před rokem +5

    HHM you gotta get to Roger's City. Cool Place

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +3

      I know...I'll be planning a trip to Rogers City; I guarantee you that. Thanks again, Andrew...HMM

    • @andrewnorris1514
      @andrewnorris1514 Před rokem +3

      @HistoryMysteryMan Richard Book died 11/18/58. He was a watchmen from Shelby county, Iowa. I looked him up cuz he was not from Michigan . Turns out he was raised by his older brother Melvin after his parents passed in 40 and 41. Richard's brother Mel was 18 and raised his 3 siblings. On top of that Melvin raised his own family right down the road from a long time friend of mine in Portsmouth IA. Very interesting reading

    • @chuckg6039
      @chuckg6039 Před rokem +5

      I loved visiting Rogers City. First time was with my parents in the 1970s. They had a cruiser based in Toledo. The last was 3 years ago. I biked the Sunrise Trail and then pedaled through town to the Calcite stone quarry.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem

      @@chuckg6039 I really want to get to Rogers City soon...never been. Thanks again, Chuck. HMM

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem

      @@andrewnorris1514 So you're saying Mr. Book went down on the Bradley? Thanks Andrew...HMM

  • @kimfleury
    @kimfleury Před rokem +4

    I just left a long comment on that other video about Bud Robinson! 🤣 I should've finished the playlist before I went back to comment 🤣

  • @WilliamBolger
    @WilliamBolger Před rokem +3

    Another fine documentary, I love it thanks guys 👍👍

  • @Ro6entX
    @Ro6entX Před 9 měsíci +3

    The loss of the Carl B has always been overshadowed by loss of the EF.

  • @alonzovillarreal4666
    @alonzovillarreal4666 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I used to work at Buffington harbor at a cement plant. We used to load coke into Canadian Steamship ships. I’d sit in that boat loading tower marveling at how huge and amazing these ships are.

  • @pixelshark6809
    @pixelshark6809 Před rokem +6

    First comment! Woot! 🙌

  • @DonRRicks
    @DonRRicks Před rokem +7

    I look forward to, and thoroughly enjoy your videos. This one did not disappoint
    The Bradley appears different to me, as the cause of this tragedy was strictly on the shoulders of the owners. They preferred dollars to the welfare and safety of the Carl Bradley’s crew.
    I encourage you to read Mr Mays obituary. He lived an awesome life, and accomplished so much after the tragedy
    Mr Mays was only 4 days shy of his 27th birthday, and passed away in 2021. Mr Fleming was in his 40s when the Bradley sank, but passed away at the age of 53 in 1969.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      Thanks, sir. On your recommendation, I will be reading Mr. Mays' obit. I wonder how Mr. Fleming died?... being so young. Thanks for watching! HMM

    • @darrellwalton938
      @darrellwalton938 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Frank May's was 89 years old when he passed away. He was in his 40,s at the time of the sinking . I got the chance to meet him. He was very nice to me.

  • @hambam7533
    @hambam7533 Před rokem +5

    My college roommate and friend was from Rogers city

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem

      Awesome. I've never been there, but I want to go...soon. Thanks for watching! HMM

  • @lazyrrr2411
    @lazyrrr2411 Před rokem +5

    Thank You, Gentlemen ... The Bradley is "MY" wreck - living only a few miles from Seul Choix Pte. lighthouse ⚓ On a clear day you can make out the silhouette of Gull Island in the distance ~ and you Know that's where The Bradley went down.
    They put up a nifty little memorial to it all, at a lakeside park in Manistique proper ... unfortunately it often gets swept away & there's no big budget to keep it cleaned up . STILL , it's 10x better than nothing .

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      So interesting. Now I want to visit that "little memorial". I'll bring my broom to help sweep up. Thanks for watching! HMM

    • @lazyrrr2411
      @lazyrrr2411 Před rokem +2

      @@HistoryMysteryMan There are signs along US 2 with a big picture of The Bradley, so you can't miss the park . The memorial is designed to inherently face you in the direction of the sinking .
      The Seul Choix Pte. lighthouse 💡is open for visitors all season .

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      @@lazyrrr2411 Thanks again...I appreciate your information! HMM

  • @Trinitystillmyname
    @Trinitystillmyname Před rokem +5

    Help me understand. I do not know the correct answer. If a private citizen has a ice shanty, atv, car, sink ibto a lake. That person is responsible to remove it. They are fined every day until that equipnent is removed. Why are shipping companies allowed to leave or abandon ships in the Great Lakes?

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      That's a very good/fair question...one I don't have an answer for. I can dig into it, however. Thanks for watching...HMM

    • @ostrich67
      @ostrich67 Před rokem +1

      Because they are rich and powerful and we're not.

  • @phillipgarrow2297
    @phillipgarrow2297 Před rokem +3

    My grandfather knew most of the men he actually sailed on the first CarlDBradley the one that sunk was the 2nd CarlDBradley

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      Wow...I didn't know there was a "first" Carl D. Bradley! Thanks for sharing that here...and thanks for watching! HMM

  • @lisaharrod8386
    @lisaharrod8386 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Why aren't the owners and insurance companies held accountable for sending crews out in bad weather in sub par vessels?
    For that matter, the Coast Guard and oversight authorities should be investigated for allowing these ships to sail in unsafe ships.
    All of these entities should be investigated for covering up evidence of negligent maintenance, over loading, and for dangerous shipping practices.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před 2 měsíci +2

      Good question; thanks for asking it here. And thanks for your support of the channel. HMM

  • @matthewcosta780
    @matthewcosta780 Před měsícem +2

    Hey guys, saw a video on a different channel about the Bradley's sister ship the Cedarville and it sinking. When are you going to do a video on it?

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před měsícem +1

      That's an interesting idea; I'll ask Capt. D about it. Thanks for the idea. HMM

  • @georgeadams8230
    @georgeadams8230 Před rokem +3

    That's a horrific story.

  • @LadyOaksNZ
    @LadyOaksNZ Před 8 měsíci +2

    Great hearing from you both! Subscribing.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před 8 měsíci +2

      Thank you! I really appreciate that...stop by anytime. HMM

  • @jamesmccarthy5086
    @jamesmccarthy5086 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I’ve seen interviews of Frank Mays before and it’s unbelievable what they went through. And they got no compensation either for the disaster either. From the interviews I’ve seen of Mays he’s never seemed embittered towards anyone but man I wonder what he thought of the Coast Guard and what the company ( whoever dove to the ship in 59) had said of the ship that she didn’t break. Did Elmer Fleming ever give any interviews or like writings or anything like that? If so I’d love to know. And love the detail you both gave on the ship on the day she went down. Thank you for keeping their legacy alive.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před 7 měsíci +1

      You're welcome; thanks James. I have never seen a video on Fleming...sure would be something to find one. HMM

    • @jamesmccarthy5086
      @jamesmccarthy5086 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@HistoryMysteryMan I hope we can see one one day. Or even if it’s in writing. If I do come across some thing. I’ll let you know!

  • @dknowles60
    @dknowles60 Před rokem +3

    it should be noted at the carl bradley hearings that Elmer Fleming Could not sat to much at the Hearing as he was Going Back to The Bradley company for a Job

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      Interesting...I didn't know that. And yes, Fleming went right back to his merchant marine career...thanks. HMM

  • @gregj831
    @gregj831 Před rokem +3

    Those Lakes are bad news in November. That ship was ripped right in half.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      The Great Lakes and November are scary days for sure. Thanks for watching, Greg...HMM

  • @kelcritcarroll
    @kelcritcarroll Před 10 měsíci +3

    In that photo at first look how beat up that bow is……….I was marred to a sailor that worked for olgleby norton as an engineer and this makes me mad…..the company knew the weather was horrible and ordered them to do this trip is irritating

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před 10 měsíci +2

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts here...super interesting. HMM

  • @kpd3308
    @kpd3308 Před 7 měsíci +3

    I love your image of the "suit" making the call for the Bradley to make one last trip. Not that I'm insensitive to the tragedy that ensued.
    I'm sorry to say it, but part of the captain's job is to protect his crew by knowing when to tell corporate they're not going out. He ran contrary to the judgement of a number of other captains who made the right call.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před 7 měsíci +3

      Understood...it was a different era when the Fitz sailed. There was a lot of pressure on Captains to go, go, go. It's changed now, in part for liability reasons. Corporations are more willing now to wait the weather out. Thanks! HMM

  • @merriame9487
    @merriame9487 Před 7 měsíci +2

    It's SS Carl D. Bradley day!!

  • @jayhopkins6990
    @jayhopkins6990 Před rokem +4

    Have they consider that maybe some welding done on the deck maybe have started açrack .The reason that I say this is because I am a welder of 39 yrs and I have seen a bad stop on a weld turn into a crack
    After working and flexing for 20 years .

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +2

      Your assessment makes good sense to me; thanks for sharing your thoughts here, Jay! HMM

  • @Worldviewsandthoughts
    @Worldviewsandthoughts Před 8 měsíci +2

    Companies will get rid of a ship by accident just to not spend money on refit!

  • @deniseflahavin3031
    @deniseflahavin3031 Před rokem +2

    Whose bright idea is it to make one more trip? Whose bright idea to load 26,000 tonne load on the Fitz in November? The Captain, the employer, the recipient of cargo, the owner of the ship?

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +2

      As best as I can tell, the company (Columbia Transportation) wanted "one more trip"... thanks for watching. HMM

  • @hollymartins6913
    @hollymartins6913 Před rokem +4

    Global Marine was a little company owned by a fellow named Howard Hughes.. Global Marine later custom built a vessel, in conjunction with the CIA, for the express purpose of stealing a sunken Soviet ballistic missile submarine 3 & 1/2 miles beneath the north Pacific.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem +1

      Super interesting! I had no idea. Thanks for sharing this here! HMM

  • @danalarose846
    @danalarose846 Před rokem +4

    HMM, do you know if the Bradley's lifeboats were made of wood or steel?

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před rokem

      I'm thinking steel, but I bet I can find out for sure. Thanks again, Dana...HMM

  • @loricharpentier1654
    @loricharpentier1654 Před rokem +3

    What is it with the month of November???

  • @joeanderson9852
    @joeanderson9852 Před 7 měsíci +2

    👍

  • @ZombieSlayer-dj3wb
    @ZombieSlayer-dj3wb Před 7 měsíci +2

    I wonder if its keel held cause of how the wreck is

  • @jeffpotipco736
    @jeffpotipco736 Před 6 měsíci +2

    I dont see any signs of an explosion on the wreck. Am I looking in the wrong place?

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  Před 6 měsíci +2

      Let me dig into this...gunna have to refresh myself on this one. Thanks...HMM

  • @aaajjjj58
    @aaajjjj58 Před rokem +2

    Yes a Movie Should Be Made-Based On The Truth-And Nothing But💯💯💯❤‍🩹❤‍🩹❤‍🩹