Why are Knight, Bishop, and Rook so horribly balanced in this chess variant?
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- Chess Evolved Online, also known as Old Old Chess Battle Advanced, is a game created by a crypto-addicted Spaghetti Monster. In this episode, we will discuss the clown balancing of the pieces, as the set value for the pieces (0, 6, 10, 12, 21) is super far off from classic chess (1, 3, 3, 5, 9) - in classic chess the Knight is supposed to be equal to the Bishop, but for some reason in this variant the Bishop is costed much closer to the Rook.
0:00 Intro
0:36 Reason #1 why Knight has a lower value in OldOldCBA: Much more blindspots in classic chess
2:33 Reason #2: less fork potential
3:22 Knight Upgrades
7:07 Bishop
7:14 Bishop in Rush
9:57 Bishop Rush - oh wait
10:13 Bishop Upgrades
12:40 More Bishop replays, use in rush, promoters, nuances, etc.
16:15 NullMage Is A Pseudo-Synergy with long range
18:23 Rook - its purposes are often taken by other units - short units are cheaper and improve positionally while Rook does not
21:33 Trying to make a good Rook army with a low collection - difficult because you don't have good transparent units or good promoters
21:53 Spearman is the best moveset with Rook. Bishop does not have a diagonally attacking minion the same way Spearman does, and Spearman won't block the attack of Rook like Pawn does
27:33 Rook Upgrades
29:29 no one likes Rook+++
EXTRA NOTES:
- Forgot to mention swappers can also fix Bishop's colorboundness. I kinda mention it, but it's not really that worth mentioning (colorboundness vs pawn chains is a FAR bigger deal in oldoldoldoldcba than oldoldcba)
- Rook used to have a really pathetic upgrade tier of ++ getting only 4 moves instead of those 4 teleports, and +++ having those 4 teleports. It was later changed for +2 getting range 3 diagonal and +3 getting range 5 diagonal, and then changed into the current swapfetish version.
discord: discord.gg/V64JDvbWsf
Bishop should upgrade to leave gifts of knowledge
And can work outside the board
@@akisa7865 *Town
@@akisa7865the board? do you mean out of town?
when i turn my opponent's chest into a ghost but thats apparently "Not how you play chess"
I love those CBA lore videos
😂😮
Vert invested in this series. I have not played CEO but the game is quite similar to an idea I had years ago, so it's very interesting to see how it was done in reality.
10:39 That twin rooks joke is really good.
That joke did fly right over my head (like the planes). But it also didn't age well (like the pilots). So it doesn't really stand the test of time (like the towers). I don't know whats worse.
@@TheAgamemnon911 I just ran into it
@@TheAgamemnon911💀
9/11 jokes are so unfunny, they always crash and burn
@@ThePenguinMan ay, some jokes just fall flat.
Ive never played this variant of chess but the actual rating for knight and bishop vary throughout a normal chess game. They are approximated as equal but the bishop is stronger in most open positions and endgames and the knight is stronger in closed positions and the opening. Basically the knight starts at about 3.5 and becomes worth about 2.5 late game. Averaging 3. Bishops start a little below 3 and end around 4 or 4.5 depending on the methodology. Averaging about 3 or 3.5
Welcome back to Channel Icely Advanced
the 5 games that have been won using rook+++:
Where can I see the progress for the new chess game? I've never been able to find a discord for it or anything.
Hell yeah I was looking forward to the next part of this series
totally not copyrighted super mario 1-UP sound: 2:17
I love this series!
Thank you I hate it. Please stop, I might play it.
Bishop is closer to 9, but would need the passive (colorbound: Can't be moved of color parity)
imagine going to the middle with the lich+++ then spending 56 morale to absolutely DISCOMBOBULATE your openings position
What software is this? 10:23. It seems semi-easy to use, so surely it is
I am willing to guess the reason why the basic pieces suck is because all the other pieces are made with a "[piece], but ..." philosophy?
"I am willing to guess the reason why the basic pieces suck is because all the other pieces are made with a "[piece], but ..." philosophy?"
um
1: basic pieces do not suck
2: other pieces aren't really made with that, they're often entirely original ideas
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hey luigi why did you remove the other videos
did you, by any chance, make them lost media?
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@@IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq this isn't helpful
I don't even play chess. The only reason I watch these videos is because I want to learn CBA memes.
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Make more cba music
Icely battles spaghetti monster advanced
10:08 touhou-ass music (compliment)
thank you :>
@@IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq yeah yw
Touhou 20 leak??
My deck is has a soulkeeper and apptentice which feels way stronger than knight because oc the blind spots
Classification bungling apparent
cokment
Classics Battalions Approved
Chess Balance Added
THE TWIN ROOKS???? BRUHHHH
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i hope new new chess battle advanced will be better than this - i love the concept of this but am not super enjoying all the uh... baggage.
[insert CBA joke here]
Nah
No
Cheese the
Battle by
Absurdly eating everything
Cheese Battle Absurd
Damn, yo, why is Lilith so cheap?
Hard countered by champions and pretty much useless in endgame, value falls off real hard. Also decent number of minions w/ 2+ range attacks
why or you calling it cba when its called ceo?
it's Old Old Chess Battle Advanced
@@IcelyPuzzles I don't know the lore
I have never heard of chess battle advanced
only ceo
Personally I am quite enjoying the fabled CBA content. The fact that I also love CEO has nothing to do with it (Wink).
Rook+++ lol
What's so bad about the dev?
Idk... but from the ranting I conclude that the dev gave himself immunity(critique) to counter his blindspot(gamebalance) thus turning himself into an OP stallpiece.
Made a chess game that actively hates the idea of chess
@@crazybunnyproductions7287 That, I would say, isn't a bad thing. I mean: The FIFA series hates the idea of association football and people still play that shit. Okay... maybe not the best example.
score messing