I absolutely love the humour on this channel. The only thing that I have seemed to have learnt from watching 4x4 and overlander channels is that a raised air intake is not a snorkel but a snorkel is a water-proofed raised air intake.
I’ve got a snorkel in my D4 in Australia. In the lockdown it’s main use was as a place for spiders to weave their web. Great video. I might just turn the Inlet the other way after seeing this.
Iv never travelled so much in my life…… when the politicians suggested a locked down I decided…. Time to travel plenty on purpose…… it was great to travel around and see how empty everywhere was 👌🏼
Every time I watch your videos, I feel like jumping in my Land Rover here in Lancashire, UK and driving over to you guys for coffee, cake and chats... You just seem like lovely people to sit and shoot the breeze with. 🙂
I worked for a German company for a few years and I can say that your English is pretty good. I don't have a snorkel on my D4 mainly because they look ugly but also because I do not intend to take my D4 through any deep water crossings. The snorkel would help reduce the amount of sand and dust enetering the filter box but I carry a few extra filters on long outback trips and just check the filter once a week or so. BTW I am not a fan of the K&N filters and believe the original paper filter does a much better job of delivering clean air at a consistent flow rate to the engine.
My Comments! 1st. The Snorkel helps massively to keep your air filter clean when you driving in Dust behind another car (i.E. in my Case Marokko) 2nd. I have been told by Engineers for Engines (BMW, based I live in Munich) never to use a K&N Airfilter when I like to have a reliable car (Racing - different topic). They do not clean the air enough and the result will be to have a ruined engine when the dust reaches the cylinder.
I've fitted a cyclone filter to the top of the snorkel on my D4, you would be amazed at how much dirt that it collects, this keeps the panel filter cleaner ( means less washing).
Just as a precuationary warning, cyclonic filters need to be matched to your air delivery requirements. I spoke to donaldsons engineers and was informed they are not designed for highway use due to the venturi effect and you may starve you engine from air. Below 70km/h is what they recommend. This could possibly have the same effect when facing the snorkel backwards, lower fuel consumption could be a result of the less fuel required to obtain the correct a/f ratio. Once again, based on the information from the donaldson engineers.
My vehicle has had its snorkel on for 12 years now (also a Safari copy, but a slightly better looking one I believe). The previous owner ran it with the snorkel head backwards, for mostly the same reasons as you present, but I keep it facing the front because it looks better IMO :)) Anyway, you must be right since the original LR (Mantec) snorkel also points backwards. Anyway, you made me curious, and I will do the fuel consumption experiment as well with the snorkel pointing in both directions, and I'll report back. Cheers!
Hugh here from Melbourne Australia..Love your videos as i do most maintenance on my 2006 Disco 3 . TDV6. I am going to turn my SAFARI (haha) snorkel to face rearwards & see how she goes. I bought my Disco in 2019 & it had done 200,000km & i think plenty of towing throughout Northern Queensland in the hot & dusty areas you mentioned . I bought it because the poor Chinese lady who brought it down to Melbourne (2nd owner) had spent over $17,000 in repairs & gave up. It was my 4th Discovery & I took the plunge so to speak. It has been ok so far at 250,000 the main problem was the air suspension & given my needs I elected to import from UK coil suspension & fit it myself at a cost of $1800 compared with Dealer $3800 repair to replace compressor & control unit. Drives nicely but not as nice as the air system. Only real disadvantage is that the Tow Capacity is reduced. I have just serviced the Auto transmission &now looking at replacing the Right Front drive shaft seal & boots. Have watched your video to give me courage to do this. After that may be attack the oil leak from up near the turbo.....the jury is still out on that one. My main hobby is NOT Disco 3. It is 1949 Standard Vanguard.....73 years old original running gear & still purrs like a kitten. Cheers & keep up the great work. I enjoy it immensley.
Shanes Shed and Outback Discovery both have a side shaft repair video. Shanes Shed replaces the boot. Hope your Discovery runs forever. Please make sure you have the updated oil pump installed. Christian
Interestingly, the raised air intake on my Grenadier faces backwards as standard. I think you have proved the point!! Love your channel - greetings from UK
These guys are great, I have just bought a Discovery 4, best drive I have ever experienced, and I have had two Toyotas 😂 as well as Bmw’s, keep up the great work guys your passion is infectious, I am getting a snorkel because we live in the uk and that’s not too far from Australia 😅
My D3 had a factory snorkel and I always thought it looked like it was “backwards”however the air filter box was always relatively clean now it all makes sense. Shows the OEM do know what they on about, i was getting very good l/km even when off reading in dusty Australian roads.
Brilliant video!! Firstly, your English is great, as long as you don't "screw up", "oh my God"!! It's interesting your use of a K&N filter vers. a standard paper element. K&N filters definitely flow more air, but is this required? Even if the roads are vacuum'd in Germany, they do let through more fine dust, but how significant this is, I don't know. Vera is right, as always, the snorkel looks good, but the fuel consumption figures are interesting - shows the importance of engine mapping - facing forward versus facing back. I'm surprised an aftermarket map was not supplied with the snorkel, and the K&N will exaggerate the problem... Fun video as always.
Yes, the K&N is not very dense. No problem here but in dusty regions not advisable. We will have to test a normal filter with the snorkel turned backwards now. Christian
Absolutely love your humour! I will do a test on my 200 series Land Cruiser v8 twin turbo diesel which lives in Australia and doesn't need a tool box on board lol!!
I would of bet on the ram air way being better all round, power and efficiency wise, thanks for the info. Your english is good enough, better than my german!
Geez I wish I had your channel about 3 years ago when I sold my Disco 3 V8, I loved that car but I didn’t have the confidence to repair it myself but see you at work would have made the difference. Great channel love the conversation between you and Vera. 😀😀😀
At minute 15.00 I have to say that your English is very good for a German of course there is the accent but we all have an accent. I am English and I can understand you both very well, no need to waste your time and money on English lessons!
It is often called a Shnorkel with the emphasis on Shhhh (terrible English I know) where I live in Oz, but us Aussies are renowned for making up our own versions of names of things...silly really, but that's how we tend to roll down under! It's a word that we find somewhat amusing for some reason, hence the need to make up our version of the name when we pronounce it. Nice job by the way. Looks great.I cannot say I have ever seen one facing backwards in Oz so far, but what you say makes perfect technical sense. Many get them to just to make the vehicle look better, yet the vehicle may be a garage Queen. lol I agree though it does make it look good and that's all that matters!
Facing rearwards is for exceptionally dusty conditions, and also prevents water ingress. If the system is properly sealed you can cross deeper water, it is also a good idea to have a raised exhaust.
Little turn from back to outside of snorkel cap (+15-20 degree) is reduce air intake temperature up to 5 C at 80+ kmh speed. It is due to air decompression due to acceleration flow from the windshield. Tested with thermocouple. It is important that such turn also avoid partially ejection effect and air pressure drop
I bought a snorkel for ours over a year ago, but it is still sitting in the shed. Apart from water crossings, I really don't see us needing to install it. I have had water right up to the side intake and nearly had it go under, so there is a practical use. I keep thinking about a temporary flexy snorkel for the super rare times we may need one. Thanks for another great video.
Hello Vera and Christian, I have my snorkel backwards as well and basically for the same reasons. I still don't understand why people have the snorkel looking forward as when you are driving off road or overlanding on dirt roads all the dirt goes directly to the snorkel. Also as you pointed out water goes directly into the snorkel when driving in the rain. Another great video, and I totally agree 👍 with you guys again. Thank you again and stay safe.
Hallo, Hollander hier! Ich glaube nicht wie Sie English is super bad. hahaha., Thanks for the video! Doing a "raised air intake" on m LR3 soon, (250 k km italian import with the proper gear box; Automatic) your channel saved me upwards of 2000 euro so far. So big thanks from E-Europe!
Unbelievable 26 minutes for an explanation on a snorkel, on my discovery I oriented it to the rear, the only thing that happened was when I was off-roading, one time I opened the passenger window and every time I put the gas on I felt like there was a ball bearing noise, at first I thought it was the front wheel bearing that was screwed. Then I realized that it was the air intake! 🖐️😁 😁 😁
One main reason for turning the snorkel (raised air intake) to the rear of the car is that on very "dusty" dirt roads (not found in Germany) and you are in a convoy of cars (or one car) throwing up lots of dust, by having the intake rear facing, you collect less dust.
Hello Iwan. I know everything I said only in theory. No practical experience. But a Snorkel is a must-have for Vera because of looks and sound. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian It also means that when she is driving and someone in a Toyota cuts her up, she can press the loud pedal (accelerator) and suck them into the induction system.
There are very, very few tracks in Europe where that much dust is thrown up, to cause anywhere near problems. If you want to seal the intake, then look no further than the push fit plastic connectors that leak, and nt water tight, late model defender air boxes even leaked, so even though you have a snorkel, water is already in through the duct work.
Never heard such bullshit information in my entire life. Firstly if your going to suggest (which is insane mind you) that you use less fuel by turning it backwards graph and show some live data from the ecu and sensors which you ultimately suggest are having problems with a more positive pressured air intake tract. By turning it backwards creating a vacuum at your engines air intake you are only increasing pumping losses (engine working harder to pull air in) = more fuel used. Don't you have a gap diagnostic tool or something?! Also FACT your intake air temps WILL be cooler as apposed to sucking in air from behind the guard etc. Turbocharged or not cooler is better... Truck manufactured have used the ram air intake for a long time to help with economy (where this concept came from). Also if you or anybody else believes the using 9.2 liters per 100ks at 140kph your either just plain stupid or on meth... your clearly going downhill.. if that was accurate you would be using 5 liters per 100 at 90kph. It really me knowing so many people would take what your saying as gospel when you have absolutely no idea what your talking about!! No data to support a single thing your saying! What the hell are you on about saying things like you need different engine mapping for a snorkel??!! The map is irrelevant!!! It's changing all the bloody time to suit your air intake according to the data from various sensors.
Certainly both of you have very good English. Eminently suitable for CZcams. After all watching American CZcams presenters mangle what they term as "English" your European English is almost faultless Christian and Vera!
Great content, Christian & Vera . Great way to relax watching you give the discoverys some TLC . I've got a mitshubishi pajero sport , so like the Toyota people, there is really not much to do on it , other than wash it and take the larger stones out the tyres grooves after off roading
Hi Vera and Christian, sorry for giving again a comment but as a typical german "Klug.....ßer" I cant avoid it :-) . First your English is really good, especially because its better than mine! Second, you are right, the ram effect or "Staudruck" of your snorkel will not increase the efficiency of your turbo pressure mensurable. But what I experienced on my TD5 with a VTG Turbo and a big 80mm diameter snorkel is that this tube creates a significant pressure drop. This was so extreme that the compressor began to be extremely noisy like getting into a resonance, because it couldnt get the air it needed. Especially with an agressive fuel map. I measured the pressure drop with a professional tool at the entrance of the snorkel and the outlet, and it was huge. In spite of having the biggest diameter of 80 mm for this 2.5 l Diesel, which was wider than the original tubes in the system. The only way to get it fixed was to drill a second air intake in the filter housing. What I want to say at the end of the day is that anything you put before your original air intake has to be seen as a resistance for the compressor and is not good. It will not be important at lower loads, but at higher loads and rpm, it will reduce the efficiency and pressure of the compressor. The only positive of the snorkel is that, when you have heavy rain on the motorway, the trucks you are passing on the left side are not throwing the water into your air intake. This was a typical Defender problem having the same type of air intake on the right side. Resulting in wet air filters. Best Regards Michael
Hallo Michael, I have a feeling that our Snorkel content is not finished yet, thanks to you. 😅👍 We do check our air filters regularly, more than we put in vidoes, and they have never been wet. Maybe we would not have put a snorkel on if we did not have a CZcams channel, but I have wanted one for 25 years now, ever since we owned our first Jeep. If having a snorkel causes damage to the engine, one more reason for Christian to finally take that engine out. Thanks for your comment, really appreciated. I am looking, however, for a cyclone filter at the Abenteuer&Allrad. Maybe he'll buy me one. 🙋♀️ Vera
Hello, thanks for your interesting tutorial about snorkels. 👍 I live in the Netherlands, the country next to Germany. 😁 Yes, I found out that a snorkel can be helpful in Europe. I own 2 Pajeros, and used them also for my hunting- hobby. After one tour through a hunting-field with very high grass, the whole air-filter was full of seeds and other particles. After mounting a snorkel , I did not have that problem again. Airfilters stay much cleaner. My Pajero L040 diesel, has a safari snorkel, and I have the top facing to the back of the car. On my Pajero V20, 3500 petrol, I have mounted a TJM snorkel, of which the top only can face forward.☹ After a few journeys over the highway, the air-filter was full of insects and other debris. Because I could not turn the top backwards, I decided to install a piece of pantyhose (!) over the opening, and hold it inplace with rubber bands that I have cut from an motorcycle innertube. Works fine, no more insects in the filter. How it influences the fuel consumption, I do not know. The Pajero I diesel consumes about 11 liters on 100 km. The Pajero II petrol comsumes 13-14 liters pro 100 km. I did not buy a 4x4 car for low fuel costs.....😉 Grüsse aus der Niederlande 🙋♂️
😅👍 Hello Johnny, I have just been to your country and I think Philipp is planing to move there as soosn as he turns 18. At the end of this video here, you can see where we went and what we did. 😃 czcams.com/video/Y6yEq9oETh8/video.html 🙋♀️Vera
The reason you fit a snorkel for water crossings is; afterwards when you are replacing all of those damaged modules; and corroded connectors, at least your engine won't be Hydro locked.
I would have sprayed the K&N oil on the "dirty" side of the filter, so that there's less chance of any oil getting onto the MAF sensor wires, which will cause false readings and mess up the ECU ability to fuel the engine correctly. Greetings from a Toyota owner from Australia. :-)
I haven’t turned mine backwards. Here in the US It’s almost like a “fashion faux pas” to turn it backwards on a rig. I’ve seen some people switching to cyclone style tops and those help with debris and other things. Great video!
No se en tiempo que hace desde que se pueden traducir los videos , la verdad que mi inglés es muy básico y sufría cada vez que explicabas algo y no me entera.Igualmente los veo , porque sois los mejores en estos vehículos, un abrazo y gracias.Vera , los videos sin ti no serian lo mismo .Un abrazo desde España.
I have a D1 and a D2, and I have the snorkel intake facing backwards on both. When we travel in convoy the amount of dust is nuts. I have snorkels because I have had water over the bonnet many times. Good sealing of the airbox is obviously vital.
Dear Christian and Vera your English is so good I didn't think you were German. Also, I think if you ever get the opportunity to visit Australia you would be most welcome. Oh, and don't worry about wild animals. General rule is don't walk off the tracks and don't go in the water. Love your videos.
Lol and don’t stick your hand in, look in your boots, don’t swim in there, don’t eat this, etc. I think we would survive about 1 day there in the bush. 😬😂 Thanks. Christian
Great video guy’s I was told that k&n air filters could cause premature failure of the mass air flow sensor,because of the oily vapour getting onto the sensor.thanks Simon
I have not yet gotten a mass air flow sensor failure on either one of our diagnostic tools. We check our faults weekly. Now that I know how to use the tool, I check them everytime I have to wait for Philipp at the train station, about 5 times per week. 👍🙋♀️Vera
Very interesting and very entertaining as always. Vera - I hope you received a fulsome apology regarding the extra fuel consumption because your engineer hadn't followed your original recommendation to face the snorkel backwards!
The main reason for the backwards facing snorkel top in 🇬🇧 is when off roading, the overhanging branches like grabbing and pulling off🤭 the forward facing top! If you have to keep fixing it on the same track it gets old real quick!🤬 hence turning it backwards. It's not a fashion choice like a backwards baseball cap. But for a snorkel top I'm a fan of the cyclone pre filter. It's amazing how much shit it catches before your main filter.
Hello from Australia🤟🇦🇺 You two are such good value. I have a snorkel on my 93 Pajero 2.8TDi, and I don't need it for water crossings here in Aus either. I've only tried once going through water as high as the bottom of the doors and I got stuck, spinning my bald rear tyres, then I had to call my friend with a Landrover 90 TD5 to winch me out😂 I also never go 'bush' or off road 4wd-ing and it's never very dusty in the suburbs of Perth where I live, so another good reason I don't need a snorkel. I just put it on to look cool too.🤣👍🇦🇺
@@Vera_and_Christian Yes, I'm sure there are plenty of people who have fitted a snorkel and have never gone 'bush' or through a water crossing deep enough to even get their feet/carpet wet. Not sure if they did it for a laugh or just haven't had an oportunity to test it out yet, but I'd put money on the real reason being that they don't want to get their suburban taxi dirty🤣👍🇦🇺
@@samrodian919 Yep, decent (not almost bald) tyres would've been a much better investment, and even selecting 4wd at the time might've been a good idea too🤣👍
@@simonilett998 yes I might well have forgotten to engage 4 WD myself being an ex Land Rover Discovery and now a 4.2 Supercharged Range Rover which are both Permanent 4WD, so it would be easy to forget to pull that second lever and maybe the high- low into Low range as well lol
Your English is nearly as good as mine, and I was born in England and raised in Yorkshire! I know plenty of English people (usually the younger generations, but not exclusively so) who's command of the English language is far inferior to your own, worry not.
Absolutely hilarious and more than a bit true. I am currently saving to purchase an expensive snorkel for my 2017 (2) door Jeep Wrangler. (poor man’s LR) I’ve told my wife it will prolong the life of the engine from dust. I’m telling you this in extreme confidence. Please don’t tell her it’s only to look cool. (We really do have dust here in the U.S.) 😉
I live in Finland, and my reasoning for having a snorkel is I went on a trip to Denmark a few years ago, and crossed a stream on a beach that turned out to be surprisingly deep, like up to the bonnet deep while going down into it. Didn't have one, and my air filter got wet. Since then I haven't crossed any other streams, but hey you never know. At least I have a story to tell when people wonder what particular river I'm planning on crossing with my snorkel. My disco 2 has the snorkel facing forwards, because it looks cool, and my 4x4 sprinter has it facing backwards, because it sounds cool (and also to not get it clogged with snow in winter). Now I'm thinking I should turn the D2's head backwards as well.
Hi Christian & Vera, no apologies required. I've got a cheap $120 Chinese snorkel fitted that lasts now for over 11 years. The Safari's for $700 are a rip-off. And yes, we carry a toolbox in our WhatsCruiser, but I've never used it. It's just for the case that we have to help out some Disco drivers, but they've usually heaps of tools and spares with them anyway. Apart from this, great topic today. We have the same discussion here. Inlet to the front or rear. We are front drivers but the WhatsCruiser has the famous 4.5L inline 6 NA Petrol engine (1FZ-FE), different application. Yes, and we drive sometimes through deeper water. It's a proper water crossing when the water flushes over your bonnet and the front of your car starts slightly to float, what feels weired.
Snorkels always face rear. They are "snorkels" which are for air intake while submerged . Face backwards so splashin water doesn't get in your engine. If you want to "ram" air in, try a hood scoop. Thats what those are for.
I have always wondered about which way the snorkel should be and about what happens if water gets in and as always you have answered all the questions love your channel thank you and you always go into things in such detail which is really great
Filters do block up quickly here in country Australia. In the city's it is no worse than anywhere else urban. Your English is fine, far better than my German that's for sure 🙃
I have a bmw e70 with a 100mm aluminium snorkel I made with sealed intake to the turbos. I use a metal cylinder ITG housing and oiled filter. I have a rams head on top and I actually had a noticeable increase in performance but the car is re-mapped with several hardware upgrades. I also retained the front air intake from the front grill and Tee'd it into the snorkel for extra air incase the snorkel was deficient. Of course there is a quick disconnect to blank it off for deep water crossings. However the turbo sound alone is worth doing a snorkel 😅 Great videos btw.
Used to run my Safari snorkel the way you showed facing back. My next snorkel will have a Donaldson pre cleaner on my Defender. But i have more important upgrades to do first.
Well Christian & Vera, your english is better than many english speaking people! Send that quote to your German commenter. Christian, what is of more concern is the potential controversy you may have unleashed in this video: You provided a great explanation (as you always do) on why you have turned the Ram Head rearwards, in my opinion it does not look as nice or as cool as a forward facing Ram Head but I understand why, with fuel costing more than gold by weight these days! I am going to do my own tests and will report back. I am interested in the noise. In Australia we have right-hand drive vehicles, I can most definitely hear the snorkel drawing air in every time I drive. I am not sure how much of the noise is the wind going around the snorkel body & how much is the air being drawn in. I will let you know that also. Can whoever is driving your LR3 hear the air being drawn in, or only the passenger? You have unknowingly now opened up the Paper versus Oil impregnated air filter controversy. I have had both over the years, and in my experience OEM paper air filters are far superior to any Oil impregnated filter. OEM filters let more air pass through and also cleaner air pass through. OEM filters do not get as restricted to air flow as oil filters get for the same period of time in the same conditions. I am in Australia and have travelled in many thousands of kilometres in the Outback on dirt, including the very fine powdery bull-dust we have here. I will concede dust clogging up your filter with the driving you do is very low, but it would be interesting if you put the paper filter back in & did a mileage comparison with that versus what you got with the oil filter. It doesn't matter which way your snorkel faces, as long as your comparison is with the same facing snorkel. As far as water crossings go, the deepest I have travelled is about 50mm above the bottom of my widescreen through saltwater and fresh water crocodile infested waters (in fresh water). My kids thought it was cool and wanted to go through again, my wife & I had other ideas lol. There have been many water crossings up to 1 meter deep. None of these deep crossings were in my LR3, though all except my first 4WD had snorkels.
I cannot recommend the K&N filter. It is by far not as dense as the original filter. We bought it because we thought that the original filter in combination with the snorkel increased the diesels consumption. But it was mainly the snorkel. I will put in a original filter and test if it reduces the consumption further. Anyhow, I cannot see how the K&N would filter fine dust. It is very coarse and you can see through. Not suitable for Australia I would think. I also did get water over the bonnet once, while washing the car. 😂😬👍 Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian Yeah, washing LR's with water can be risky for those who are not careful. I think if you did a video on washing the LR3 & LR4 , Vera will have out done herself with the OMG's and S??T's, especially if Vera is inside the car while you are washing it. I am pretty sure you will manufacture a sprayer that misses all the critical components 🤣🤣
After watching this video I thought I would compare the two ways on my holiday trip. I drove from Northumberland to Cornwall and back. A round trip of 940 miles, (1,5112km) trying to keep to 70mph, (112kph) where possible. We used 16.22gallons. The snorkel faced to the rear on the outward journey and returned 29.4mpg at an average speed of 44mph and faced the forward on the homeward leg, returning 27.16mpg at an average speed of 55mpg. We used 17.4 gallons. The induction sound when the snorkel was facing the rear was like a cement mixer. Not a nice noise. I was trying to drive consistently, not economically so these results may prove absolutely nothing.
I think many factors play a role. We still use the K&N filter which is quite open. We do like the snorkel sound a lot when going slow. On the Autobahn we need to keep the windows closed. Thanks for your analysis. Christian
my SDV6 Makes a noise like a worn brake, it will be turned back out WEST cos of massive cloud dust following a road train and the noise when turned back is bloody awful, will check the consumption good points my ole son
Put a pre cleaner on that snorkel, tremendous difference in how clean the filter is after 5k. I monitor air flow in grams per sec vs MAP vs TPS, no change, AIT's are not changed.
while of froading here in the forests (bc) we turn the air intake to face rear wards the reason we do this is any branches we meet they slide to the back of the intake that way we dp npt loose a intake head.
Sounds very plausible 👍. There is a branch when I drive from my front driveway to the back of my house. I think that is the only one in Germany. No driving on forest roads over here 😫. Wish we could drive in Canada. Thanks 👍 Christian
Another interesting video, my Discovery G4 has the Mantec (LR) raised air intake and I often wondered why it can only face the rear, the fuel consumption reduction would be a good reason. Love the additional content, great advert for exploring Germany.
pre filter intake kit, backwards is the best for your application,, found too many insects,and garbage,on my air filter. pre filter fixed that..79.00 money well spent good day
yet another great video, please tell your german/English speaking critic, hes talking out of his arse ! after having our d2 destroyed by a tree in the last storm we had in the uk, which left both me & my fiancee pretty much emotionally shock up, by the lose of it, we've started looking for a maul crawler of our own. keep up the great work you're doing.
Kevin Barry, have always thought that an exhaust pipe snorkel would be more beneficial, if my memory is correct John Blashford -Snell had one on his Range Rover in 1971 when his army team crossed the Darien Gap. It’s just coming up fifty years ago since they completed that task so this topic on LR Time is very topical.
Neither, mine is at 90 degrees to the direction of travel towards the windscreen. You access high pressure air off the windscreen and reduce the amount of rain that makes it into the airstream as rain heavier than air and it smashes into windscreen.
I absolutely love the humour on this channel. The only thing that I have seemed to have learnt from watching 4x4 and overlander channels is that a raised air intake is not a snorkel but a snorkel is a water-proofed raised air intake.
I’ve got a snorkel in my D4 in Australia. In the lockdown it’s main use was as a place for spiders to weave their web. Great video. I might just turn the Inlet the other way after seeing this.
So, does that count as an eco-friendly mod?
Iv never travelled so much in my life…… when the politicians suggested a locked down I decided…. Time to travel plenty on purpose…… it was great to travel around and see how empty everywhere was 👌🏼
Every time I watch your videos, I feel like jumping in my Land Rover here in Lancashire, UK and driving over to you guys for coffee, cake and chats... You just seem like lovely people to sit and shoot the breeze with. 🙂
I worked for a German company for a few years and I can say that your English is pretty good. I don't have a snorkel on my D4 mainly because they look ugly but also because I do not intend to take my D4 through any deep water crossings. The snorkel would help reduce the amount of sand and dust enetering the filter box but I carry a few extra filters on long outback trips and just check the filter once a week or so. BTW I am not a fan of the K&N filters and believe the original paper filter does a much better job of delivering clean air at a consistent flow rate to the engine.
Your English is great. There are a lot of jobs that I would now attempt because of how clearly you explain things.
😃👌🙋♀️Vera
Thanks for another entertaining video, your English is perfect and far better than most of us speak in the UK.
That's because he's a Cherman you know!
“Ramming isn’t good, it might even hurt” lol🤣🤣🤣🤣, I actually nearly chocked on my coffee😆
Another Sunday morning made bearable with this video 😀
Ok, you are first. But now you need to watch the video all the way to the end. Lol. Christian
My Comments!
1st. The Snorkel helps massively to keep your air filter clean when you driving in Dust behind another car (i.E. in my Case Marokko)
2nd. I have been told by Engineers for Engines (BMW, based I live in Munich) never to use a K&N Airfilter when I like to have a reliable car (Racing - different topic). They do not clean the air enough and the result will be to have a ruined engine when the dust reaches the cylinder.
I've fitted a cyclone filter to the top of the snorkel on my D4, you would be amazed at how much dirt that it collects, this keeps the panel filter cleaner ( means less washing).
Sooner or later I am going to get one too. 👍👌🙋♀️Vera
Does the cyclone filter make it less throaty ?
No Martin, gives you more induction roar.
Just as a precuationary warning, cyclonic filters need to be matched to your air delivery requirements. I spoke to donaldsons engineers and was informed they are not designed for highway use due to the venturi effect and you may starve you engine from air. Below 70km/h is what they recommend.
This could possibly have the same effect when facing the snorkel backwards, lower fuel consumption could be a result of the less fuel required to obtain the correct a/f ratio.
Once again, based on the information from the donaldson engineers.
My vehicle has had its snorkel on for 12 years now (also a Safari copy, but a slightly better looking one I believe). The previous owner ran it with the snorkel head backwards, for mostly the same reasons as you present, but I keep it facing the front because it looks better IMO :))
Anyway, you must be right since the original LR (Mantec) snorkel also points backwards. Anyway, you made me curious, and I will do the fuel consumption experiment as well with the snorkel pointing in both directions, and I'll report back.
Cheers!
Thanks! Christian
Hugh here from Melbourne Australia..Love your videos as i do most maintenance on my 2006 Disco 3 . TDV6. I am going to turn my SAFARI (haha) snorkel to face rearwards & see how she goes. I bought my Disco in 2019 & it had done 200,000km & i think plenty of towing throughout Northern Queensland in the hot & dusty areas you mentioned . I bought it because the poor Chinese lady who brought it down to Melbourne (2nd owner) had spent over $17,000 in repairs & gave up. It was my 4th Discovery & I took the plunge so to speak. It has been ok so far at 250,000 the main problem was the air suspension & given my needs I elected to import from UK coil suspension & fit it myself at a cost of $1800 compared with Dealer $3800 repair to replace compressor & control unit. Drives nicely but not as nice as the air system. Only real disadvantage is that the Tow Capacity is reduced.
I have just serviced the Auto transmission &now looking at replacing the Right Front drive shaft seal & boots. Have watched your video to give me courage to do this. After that may be attack the oil leak from up near the turbo.....the jury is still out on that one. My main hobby is NOT Disco 3. It is 1949 Standard Vanguard.....73 years old original running gear & still purrs like a kitten.
Cheers & keep up the great work. I enjoy it immensley.
Shanes Shed and Outback Discovery both have a side shaft repair video. Shanes Shed replaces the boot. Hope your Discovery runs forever. Please make sure you have the updated oil pump installed. Christian
Interestingly, the raised air intake on my Grenadier faces backwards as standard. I think you have proved the point!! Love your channel - greetings from UK
Christian and Vera fantastic entertainment and always looking forward to seeing your video’s every weekend )))😊🇬🇧❤️
You guys have some of the best english, its part of what makes it fun
These guys are great, I have just bought a Discovery 4, best drive I have ever experienced, and I have had two Toyotas 😂 as well as Bmw’s, keep up the great work guys your passion is infectious, I am getting a snorkel because we live in the uk and that’s not too far from Australia 😅
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My D3 had a factory snorkel and I always thought it looked like it was “backwards”however the air filter box was always relatively clean now it all makes sense. Shows the OEM do know what they on about, i was getting very good l/km even when off reading in dusty Australian roads.
Brilliant video!! Firstly, your English is great, as long as you don't "screw up", "oh my God"!! It's interesting your use of a K&N filter vers. a standard paper element. K&N filters definitely flow more air, but is this required? Even if the roads are vacuum'd in Germany, they do let through more fine dust, but how significant this is, I don't know. Vera is right, as always, the snorkel looks good, but the fuel consumption figures are interesting - shows the importance of engine mapping - facing forward versus facing back. I'm surprised an aftermarket map was not supplied with the snorkel, and the K&N will exaggerate the problem... Fun video as always.
Yes, the K&N is not very dense. No problem here but in dusty regions not advisable. We will have to test a normal filter with the snorkel turned backwards now. Christian
Absolutely love your humour! I will do a test on my 200 series Land Cruiser v8 twin turbo diesel which lives in Australia and doesn't need a tool box on board lol!!
I would of bet on the ram air way being better all round, power and efficiency wise, thanks for the info. Your english is good enough, better than my german!
The best thing at the end of a hike is to sit on your tailgate and brew a nice fresh cup of tea or coffee! Nice video you guys!
What! Brew coffee? On video. Ffs
“Mall crawler…” I love it!
Geez I wish I had your channel about 3 years ago when I sold my Disco 3 V8, I loved that car but I didn’t have the confidence to repair it myself but see you at work would have made the difference.
Great channel love the conversation between you and Vera. 😀😀😀
At minute 15.00 I have to say that your English is very good for a German of course there is the accent but we all have an accent. I am English and I can understand you both very well, no need to waste your time and money on English lessons!
It is often called a Shnorkel with the emphasis on Shhhh (terrible English I know) where I live in Oz, but us Aussies are renowned for making up our own versions of names of things...silly really, but that's how we tend to roll down under! It's a word that we find somewhat amusing for some reason, hence the need to make up our version of the name when we pronounce it. Nice job by the way. Looks great.I cannot say I have ever seen one facing backwards in Oz so far, but what you say makes perfect technical sense. Many get them to just to make the vehicle look better, yet the vehicle may be a garage Queen. lol I agree though it does make it look good and that's all that matters!
Maybe that is coming from our way, I mean the German way, of pronouncing it. In German, we say Schnorchel, almost like your shhhhh. 😅👍🙋♀️Vera
Your English is very good. In fact, it is far better than my German 😂. Keep up with the great content. Tx
Facing rearwards is for exceptionally dusty conditions, and also prevents water ingress. If the system is properly sealed you can cross deeper water, it is also a good idea to have a raised exhaust.
Well designed ram heads get the water at the back of the head, letting it run down the outside.
Little turn from back to outside of snorkel cap (+15-20 degree) is reduce air intake temperature up to 5 C at 80+ kmh speed. It is due to air decompression due to acceleration flow from the windshield. Tested with thermocouple. It is important that such turn also avoid partially ejection effect and air pressure drop
I bought a snorkel for ours over a year ago, but it is still sitting in the shed. Apart from water crossings, I really don't see us needing to install it. I have had water right up to the side intake and nearly had it go under, so there is a practical use. I keep thinking about a temporary flexy snorkel for the super rare times we may need one.
Thanks for another great video.
Make sure to watch our video on how difficult it was to drill those stupid holes into the A Pillar. 😅🙋♀️Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian I remeber that video, it was like it had armour plating in the pillar.
Hello Vera and Christian, I have my snorkel backwards as well and basically for the same reasons. I still don't understand why people have the snorkel looking forward as when you are driving off road or overlanding on dirt roads all the dirt goes directly to the snorkel. Also as you pointed out water goes directly into the snorkel when driving in the rain. Another great video, and I totally agree 👍 with you guys again. Thank you again and stay safe.
140km/h and 11liter thats amazing fuel consumption for this rig , for my vw touareg with vr6 thats only a dream :)))))
great video!
Coming from an American - I think that your English is great. Interesting information about fuel consumption with forward facing vs rearward facing.
I think your English is very good! I enjoy the channel, watching from USA SC. Drive an LR4 & BMW 335.
Nothing sounds better than English with a German accent. Wonderful videos and love to hear your English!
Hallo, Hollander hier! Ich glaube nicht wie Sie English is super bad. hahaha., Thanks for the video! Doing a "raised air intake" on m LR3 soon, (250 k km italian import with the proper gear box; Automatic) your channel saved me upwards of 2000 euro so far. So big thanks from E-Europe!
😃👍I hope you watched our Snorkel install video, so you know what to expect. I just spend a couple of days in Eindhoven last week, loved it. 🙋♀️Vera
I am an experienced TEFL teacher and I would be happy if my students spoke English with fluency you both do.
I'm English, living in Australia. Your English is very good!
Unbelievable 26 minutes for an explanation on a snorkel, on my discovery I oriented it to the rear, the only thing that happened was when I was off-roading, one time I opened the passenger window and every time I put the gas on I felt like there was a ball bearing noise, at first I thought it was the front wheel bearing that was screwed. Then I realized that it was the air intake! 🖐️😁 😁 😁
I had a similar experience and even called out the recovery guy as I thought there was an engine problem!🤣
@@paulwheeldon7194 first I looked for a stone stuck in the brake disc. total movie 🎥🎬
We actually love the sound of our snorkel. 😃👌🙋♀️Vera
Your English much nicer than the most native speakers🤗
One main reason for turning the snorkel (raised air intake) to the rear of the car is that on very "dusty" dirt roads (not found in Germany) and you are in a convoy of cars (or one car) throwing up lots of dust, by having the intake rear facing, you collect less dust.
Hello Iwan. I know everything I said only in theory. No practical experience. But a Snorkel is a must-have for Vera because of looks and sound. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian It also means that when she is driving and someone in a Toyota cuts her up, she can press the loud pedal (accelerator) and suck them into the induction system.
There are very, very few tracks in Europe where that much dust is thrown up, to cause anywhere near problems. If you want to seal the intake, then look no further than the push fit plastic connectors that leak, and nt water tight, late model defender air boxes even leaked, so even though you have a snorkel, water is already in through the duct work.
@@marktalbot4wd Hi Mark, I was referring to driving in Africa and Australia.
Never heard such bullshit information in my entire life. Firstly if your going to suggest (which is insane mind you) that you use less fuel by turning it backwards graph and show some live data from the ecu and sensors which you ultimately suggest are having problems with a more positive pressured air intake tract. By turning it backwards creating a vacuum at your engines air intake you are only increasing pumping losses (engine working harder to pull air in) = more fuel used. Don't you have a gap diagnostic tool or something?! Also FACT your intake air temps WILL be cooler as apposed to sucking in air from behind the guard etc. Turbocharged or not cooler is better... Truck manufactured have used the ram air intake for a long time to help with economy (where this concept came from).
Also if you or anybody else believes the using 9.2 liters per 100ks at 140kph your either just plain stupid or on meth... your clearly going downhill.. if that was accurate you would be using 5 liters per 100 at 90kph. It really me knowing so many people would take what your saying as gospel when you have absolutely no idea what your talking about!! No data to support a single thing your saying!
What the hell are you on about saying things like you need different engine mapping for a snorkel??!! The map is irrelevant!!! It's changing all the bloody time to suit your air intake according to the data from various sensors.
Certainly both of you have very good English. Eminently suitable for CZcams. After all watching American CZcams presenters mangle what they term as "English" your European English is almost faultless Christian and Vera!
Great content, Christian & Vera .
Great way to relax watching you give the discoverys some TLC .
I've got a mitshubishi pajero sport , so like the Toyota people, there is really not much to do on it , other than wash it and take the larger stones out the tyres grooves after off roading
Hi Vera and Christian, sorry for giving again a comment but as a typical german "Klug.....ßer" I cant avoid it :-) .
First your English is really good, especially because its better than mine!
Second, you are right, the ram effect or "Staudruck" of your snorkel will not increase the efficiency of your turbo pressure mensurable.
But what I experienced on my TD5 with a VTG Turbo and a big 80mm diameter snorkel is that this tube creates a significant pressure drop. This was so extreme that the compressor began to be extremely noisy like getting into a resonance, because it couldnt get the air it needed. Especially with an agressive fuel map.
I measured the pressure drop with a professional tool at the entrance of the snorkel and the outlet, and it was huge. In spite of having the biggest diameter of 80 mm for this 2.5 l Diesel, which was wider than the original tubes in the system.
The only way to get it fixed was to drill a second air intake in the filter housing.
What I want to say at the end of the day is that anything you put before your original air intake has to be seen as a resistance for the compressor and is not good. It will not be important at lower loads, but at higher loads and rpm, it will reduce the efficiency and pressure of the compressor.
The only positive of the snorkel is that, when you have heavy rain on the motorway, the trucks you are passing on the left side are not throwing the water into your air intake. This was a typical Defender problem having the same type of air intake on the right side. Resulting in wet air filters.
Best Regards Michael
Hallo Michael, I have a feeling that our Snorkel content is not finished yet, thanks to you. 😅👍 We do check our air filters regularly, more than we put in vidoes, and they have never been wet. Maybe we would not have put a snorkel on if we did not have a CZcams channel, but I have wanted one for 25 years now, ever since we owned our first Jeep. If having a snorkel causes damage to the engine, one more reason for Christian to finally take that engine out. Thanks for your comment, really appreciated. I am looking, however, for a cyclone filter at the Abenteuer&Allrad. Maybe he'll buy me one. 🙋♀️ Vera
Love the videos - don’t listen to anyone who says your English is bad, it’s superb 👍
Nothing wrong with your English, Vera and Christian, it's 100 percent better than my German.
Hello, thanks for your interesting tutorial about snorkels. 👍
I live in the Netherlands, the country next to Germany. 😁
Yes, I found out that a snorkel can be helpful in Europe.
I own 2 Pajeros, and used them also for my hunting- hobby.
After one tour through a hunting-field with very high grass, the whole air-filter was full of seeds and other particles.
After mounting a snorkel , I did not have that problem again.
Airfilters stay much cleaner.
My Pajero L040 diesel, has a safari snorkel, and I have the top facing to the back of the car.
On my Pajero V20, 3500 petrol, I have mounted a TJM snorkel, of which the top only can face forward.☹
After a few journeys over the highway, the air-filter was full of insects and other debris.
Because I could not turn the top backwards, I decided to install a piece of pantyhose (!) over the opening, and hold it inplace with rubber bands that I have cut from an motorcycle innertube.
Works fine, no more insects in the filter.
How it influences the fuel consumption, I do not know.
The Pajero I diesel consumes about 11 liters on 100 km.
The Pajero II petrol comsumes 13-14 liters pro 100 km.
I did not buy a 4x4 car for low fuel costs.....😉
Grüsse aus der Niederlande 🙋♂️
😅👍 Hello Johnny, I have just been to your country and I think Philipp is planing to move there as soosn as he turns 18. At the end of this video here, you can see where we went and what we did. 😃 czcams.com/video/Y6yEq9oETh8/video.html 🙋♀️Vera
The reason you fit a snorkel for water crossings is; afterwards when you are replacing all of those damaged modules; and corroded connectors, at least your engine won't be Hydro locked.
So, so, correct!
I would have sprayed the K&N oil on the "dirty" side of the filter, so that there's less chance of any oil getting onto the MAF sensor wires, which will cause false readings and mess up the ECU ability to fuel the engine correctly.
Greetings from a Toyota owner from Australia. :-)
I haven’t turned mine backwards. Here in the US It’s almost like a “fashion faux pas” to turn it backwards on a rig. I’ve seen some people switching to cyclone style tops and those help with debris and other things. Great video!
Here in the US - in particular NJ - Pretty much every $100K lifted Jeep is a fashion faux pas.
I really enjoyed this one. Although, to be honest I enjoy all your videos. But this one was extra good
No se en tiempo que hace desde que se pueden traducir los videos , la verdad que mi inglés es muy básico y sufría cada vez que explicabas algo y no me entera.Igualmente los veo , porque sois los mejores en estos vehículos, un abrazo y gracias.Vera , los videos sin ti no serian lo mismo .Un abrazo desde España.
I have a D1 and a D2, and I have the snorkel intake facing backwards on both. When we travel in convoy the amount of dust is nuts. I have snorkels because I have had water over the bonnet many times. Good sealing of the airbox is obviously vital.
Dear Christian and Vera your English is so good I didn't think you were German.
Also, I think if you ever get the opportunity to visit Australia you would be most welcome. Oh, and don't worry about wild animals. General rule is don't walk off the tracks and don't go in the water.
Love your videos.
Lol and don’t stick your hand in, look in your boots, don’t swim in there, don’t eat this, etc. I think we would survive about 1 day there in the bush. 😬😂 Thanks. Christian
Great video guy’s I was told that k&n air filters could cause premature failure of the mass air flow sensor,because of the oily vapour getting onto the sensor.thanks Simon
I have not yet gotten a mass air flow sensor failure on either one of our diagnostic tools. We check our faults weekly. Now that I know how to use the tool, I check them everytime I have to wait for Philipp at the train station, about 5 times per week. 👍🙋♀️Vera
Your videos are meditation for me.
Beautiful hike location. Sure worth the walk.
Very interesting and very entertaining as always.
Vera - I hope you received a fulsome apology regarding the extra fuel consumption because your engineer hadn't followed your original recommendation to face the snorkel backwards!
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15:15 That's hilarious. I'm an Aussie. You two speak better English than half the people I know.
The main reason for the backwards facing snorkel top in 🇬🇧 is when off roading, the overhanging branches like grabbing and pulling off🤭 the forward facing top!
If you have to keep fixing it on the same track it gets old real quick!🤬 hence turning it backwards.
It's not a fashion choice like a backwards baseball cap.
But for a snorkel top I'm a fan of the cyclone pre filter. It's amazing how much shit it catches before your main filter.
Makes sense. Thanks. Christian
Hello from Australia🤟🇦🇺 You two are such good value. I have a snorkel on my 93 Pajero 2.8TDi, and I don't need it for water crossings here in Aus either. I've only tried once going through water as high as the bottom of the doors and I got stuck, spinning my bald rear tyres, then I had to call my friend with a Landrover 90 TD5 to winch me out😂 I also never go 'bush' or off road 4wd-ing and it's never very dusty in the suburbs of Perth where I live, so another good reason I don't need a snorkel. I just put it on to look cool too.🤣👍🇦🇺
Thanks, Simon. Do you think there are more Australiens who don’t go in the “bush” and have the Snorkel just for giggles like us? Thanks, Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian Yes, I'm sure there are plenty of people who have fitted a snorkel and have never gone 'bush' or through a water crossing deep enough to even get their feet/carpet wet. Not sure if they did it for a laugh or just haven't had an oportunity to test it out yet, but I'd put money on the real reason being that they don't want to get their suburban taxi dirty🤣👍🇦🇺
You should have spent the snorkel money on a pair of decent tyres, or even four of them!
@@samrodian919 Yep, decent (not almost bald) tyres would've been a much better investment, and even selecting 4wd at the time might've been a good idea too🤣👍
@@simonilett998 yes I might well have forgotten to engage 4 WD myself being an ex Land Rover Discovery and now a 4.2 Supercharged Range Rover which are both Permanent 4WD, so it would be easy to forget to pull that second lever and maybe the high- low into Low range as well lol
Your English is nearly as good as mine, and I was born in England and raised in Yorkshire! I know plenty of English people (usually the younger generations, but not exclusively so) who's command of the English language is far inferior to your own, worry not.
Absolutely hilarious and more than a bit true. I am currently saving to purchase an expensive snorkel for my 2017 (2) door Jeep Wrangler. (poor man’s LR) I’ve told my wife it will prolong the life of the engine from dust. I’m telling you this in extreme confidence. Please don’t tell her it’s only to look cool. (We really do have dust here in the U.S.) 😉
Lol, over here, the LR Discovery is the poor man’s Jeep. Especially JK, JL and Gladiator. Christian
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I guess it’s all relative. 😂
Love your channel, and just started following you on Instagram as well. 👍🏼
I live in Finland, and my reasoning for having a snorkel is I went on a trip to Denmark a few years ago, and crossed a stream on a beach that turned out to be surprisingly deep, like up to the bonnet deep while going down into it. Didn't have one, and my air filter got wet. Since then I haven't crossed any other streams, but hey you never know. At least I have a story to tell when people wonder what particular river I'm planning on crossing with my snorkel. My disco 2 has the snorkel facing forwards, because it looks cool, and my 4x4 sprinter has it facing backwards, because it sounds cool (and also to not get it clogged with snow in winter). Now I'm thinking I should turn the D2's head backwards as well.
Over the bonnet in a D3 is like a space walk with a leaky space suit or a Everest climb with no oxygen in bad weather. 😬😂👍 Christian
Hi Christian & Vera, no apologies required. I've got a cheap $120 Chinese snorkel fitted that lasts now for over 11 years. The Safari's for $700 are a rip-off. And yes, we carry a toolbox in our WhatsCruiser, but I've never used it. It's just for the case that we have to help out some Disco drivers, but they've usually heaps of tools and spares with them anyway. Apart from this, great topic today. We have the same discussion here. Inlet to the front or rear. We are front drivers but the WhatsCruiser has the famous 4.5L inline 6 NA Petrol engine (1FZ-FE), different application. Yes, and we drive sometimes through deeper water. It's a proper water crossing when the water flushes over your bonnet and the front of your car starts slightly to float, what feels weired.
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Snorkels always face rear. They are "snorkels" which are for air intake while submerged . Face backwards so splashin water doesn't get in your engine. If you want to "ram" air in, try a hood scoop. Thats what those are for.
I have always wondered about which way the snorkel should be and about what happens if water gets in and as always you have answered all the questions love your channel thank you and you always go into things in such detail which is really great
Filters do block up quickly here in country Australia. In the city's it is no worse than anywhere else urban. Your English is fine, far better than my German that's for sure 🙃
My plan is always to dust the filter off with our air compressor on trips, but we never do. 🙋♀️Vera
I have a bmw e70 with a 100mm aluminium snorkel I made with sealed intake to the turbos. I use a metal cylinder ITG housing and oiled filter. I have a rams head on top and I actually had a noticeable increase in performance but the car is re-mapped with several hardware upgrades. I also retained the front air intake from the front grill and Tee'd it into the snorkel for extra air incase the snorkel was deficient. Of course there is a quick disconnect to blank it off for deep water crossings. However the turbo sound alone is worth doing a snorkel 😅 Great videos btw.
Used to run my Safari snorkel the way you showed facing back. My next snorkel will have a Donaldson pre cleaner on my Defender. But i have more important upgrades to do first.
Yayyyy! LR Time! Sunday is complete!
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If the intake is down low at ground level, the chances of picking up lose change is vastly improved.
Your English is perfectly fine...i wish my German was as bad!!
Love you English just as it is!
Well Christian & Vera, your english is better than many english speaking people! Send that quote to your German commenter. Christian, what is of more concern is the potential controversy you may have unleashed in this video:
You provided a great explanation (as you always do) on why you have turned the Ram Head rearwards, in my opinion it does not look as nice or as cool as a forward facing Ram Head but I understand why, with fuel costing more than gold by weight these days! I am going to do my own tests and will report back.
I am interested in the noise. In Australia we have right-hand drive vehicles, I can most definitely hear the snorkel drawing air in every time I drive. I am not sure how much of the noise is the wind going around the snorkel body & how much is the air being drawn in. I will let you know that also. Can whoever is driving your LR3 hear the air being drawn in, or only the passenger?
You have unknowingly now opened up the Paper versus Oil impregnated air filter controversy. I have had both over the years, and in my experience OEM paper air filters are far superior to any Oil impregnated filter. OEM filters let more air pass through and also cleaner air pass through. OEM filters do not get as restricted to air flow as oil filters get for the same period of time in the same conditions. I am in Australia and have travelled in many thousands of kilometres in the Outback on dirt, including the very fine powdery bull-dust we have here. I will concede dust clogging up your filter with the driving you do is very low, but it would be interesting if you put the paper filter back in & did a mileage comparison with that versus what you got with the oil filter. It doesn't matter which way your snorkel faces, as long as your comparison is with the same facing snorkel.
As far as water crossings go, the deepest I have travelled is about 50mm above the bottom of my widescreen through saltwater and fresh water crocodile infested waters (in fresh water). My kids thought it was cool and wanted to go through again, my wife & I had other ideas lol. There have been many water crossings up to 1 meter deep. None of these deep crossings were in my LR3, though all except my first 4WD had snorkels.
I cannot recommend the K&N filter. It is by far not as dense as the original filter. We bought it because we thought that the original filter in combination with the snorkel increased the diesels consumption. But it was mainly the snorkel. I will put in a original filter and test if it reduces the consumption further. Anyhow, I cannot see how the K&N would filter fine dust. It is very coarse and you can see through. Not suitable for Australia I would think. I also did get water over the bonnet once, while washing the car. 😂😬👍 Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian Yeah, washing LR's with water can be risky for those who are not careful. I think if you did a video on washing the LR3 & LR4 , Vera will have out done herself with the OMG's and S??T's, especially if Vera is inside the car while you are washing it. I am pretty sure you will manufacture a sprayer that misses all the critical components 🤣🤣
Great video again 👍👍such beautiful scenery 👍
Perhaps you could use the word ‘fuel’ to cover all types of propellant rather than ‘gas’. Great vid as usual. 👍🏻🙏🦘
Your English is better than most of your English speaking viewers, and your Cherman is way better.🤓🇩🇪
Your English is better than mine and I am English 🇬🇧👍
Your English is fantastic, subscribed :)
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I’m going definitely going to give this a go!
Great stuff lol German precision learned alot
These are very interesting and fun !
Love from Australia.
A paper filter (OEM) traps smaller particles than the K&N
After watching this video I thought I would compare the two ways on my holiday trip. I drove from Northumberland to Cornwall and back. A round trip of 940 miles, (1,5112km) trying to keep to 70mph, (112kph) where possible. We used 16.22gallons.
The snorkel faced to the rear on the outward journey and returned 29.4mpg at an average speed of 44mph and faced the forward on the homeward leg, returning 27.16mpg at an average speed of 55mpg. We used 17.4 gallons.
The induction sound when the snorkel was facing the rear was like a cement mixer. Not a nice noise.
I was trying to drive consistently, not economically so these results may prove absolutely nothing.
I think many factors play a role. We still use the K&N filter which is quite open. We do like the snorkel sound a lot when going slow. On the Autobahn we need to keep the windows closed. Thanks for your analysis. Christian
I will never get a snorkel. It's a fad. Sort of like when people wore socks with sandals back in the early 90s. Thanks for another great video!
Yes, white socks 🧦 😂😂😂. Christian
Thanks for video 👍👍👍.
my SDV6 Makes a noise like a worn brake, it will be turned back out WEST cos of massive cloud dust following a road train and the noise when turned back is bloody awful, will check the consumption
good points my ole son
Put a pre cleaner on that snorkel, tremendous difference in how clean the filter is after 5k. I monitor air flow in grams per sec vs MAP vs TPS, no change, AIT's are not changed.
Vera wants one of those cyclones. You supporting her idea leaves me no choice I guess 🙄. Christian
Fantastic video. Very entertaining!
while of froading here in the forests (bc) we turn the air intake to face rear wards the reason we do this is any branches we meet they slide to the back of the intake that way we dp npt loose a intake head.
Sounds very plausible 👍. There is a branch when I drive from my front driveway to the back of my house. I think that is the only one in Germany. No driving on forest roads over here 😫. Wish we could drive in Canada. Thanks 👍 Christian
Another interesting video, my Discovery G4 has the Mantec (LR) raised air intake and I often wondered why it can only face the rear, the fuel consumption reduction would be a good reason. Love the additional content, great advert for exploring Germany.
Wonder if there is a drag effect also
Great to see yous as always
Thank you.
pre filter intake kit, backwards is the best for your application,,
found too many insects,and garbage,on my air filter.
pre filter fixed that..79.00 money well spent
good day
or go cheap,put a piece of screen over the top
yet another great video, please tell your german/English speaking critic, hes talking out of his arse !
after having our d2 destroyed by a tree in the last storm we had in the uk, which left both me & my fiancee pretty much emotionally shock up, by the lose of it, we've started looking for a maul crawler of our own.
keep up the great work you're doing.
Sorry to hear that…with the tree. Hope you find a nice Mall Crawler. We love ours. Christian
You had a subscriber at "ramming something in somewhere is usually not good"
😅🙋♀️Vera
Kevin Barry, have always thought that an exhaust pipe snorkel would be more beneficial, if my memory is correct John Blashford -Snell had one on his Range Rover in 1971 when his army team crossed the Darien Gap. It’s just coming up fifty years ago since they completed that task so this topic on LR Time is very topical.
Very interesting and entertaining like always.
Neither, mine is at 90 degrees to the direction of travel towards the windscreen. You access high pressure air off the windscreen and reduce the amount of rain that makes it into the airstream as rain heavier than air and it smashes into windscreen.