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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2024
- Austin Butler has taken Hollywood by storm over these last few years - and one unexpected moment in Dune: Part Two has proven yet again that he's one of the best actors working today.
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What'd you think when you saw this scene?
It so totally fits that it was not a shock at all. Having read the books, I was looking for hints. I found the slaves to be at least very androgynous, quite fitting even though they were not exactly true to the book.
I saw nothing sexual in it, but Austin went all out with his role immersion in a sadistic creep that Feyd-Rautha was. I'd say it was a ritual a psychopath would invent on a whim, rather than a sign of affection.
It fit the character and the situation. Butler was great in his role and so was everybody else. Did anybody else find a similarity between Javier Bardem's role and Willem Dafoe's in Finding Nemo?
I dunno, you didn't actually show it
Dune is the best movie that has been done right Thankyou
the alien playing austin butler also deserves an award
Oh man! SNAP. 😂
😂😂😂
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Nice 😉
I felt like the kiss back was more of a power move than anything sexual. It reminded me of Napoleon crowning himself.
the emperor’s kiss probably was though lol. he loved feyd in multiple ways
Well... normally I'd agree, but the Baron has a thing for teenage boys
I could see that but Feyd is molested by his uncle who loves twinks and incest
bro what, is this in the books?@@colbyboucher6391
The kiss, which is initiated by Vladdy first (funny how all the media sources don't mention that), seems to me fueled by a mixture of lust, pride (for his nephew), and political blessing, because I sure can't imagine him doing the same to the far less talented Rabban. As for F.R.'s immediate counter kiss, it feels completely devoid of any sexual connotations and only a mean to demonstrate his mental fitness for governorship.
Butler's snake-like visage and 4th wall stare into the camera are so good!
One of the things that I think set Butler apart in this role is how much he NAILED the voice acting of Feyd-Rautha. He sounds almost exactly like Stellan Skarsgård, yet Feyd has that edge of a hunter's prowess that sets him apart. Absolutely stellar acting. That final "You fought well, Atreides" sent shivers up my spine.
If memory serves me right, he's a spitting image of his uncle at that age, before the Baron was disfigured by the Reverend Mother for raping her.
Bro he sounds like some american cowboy at times
@@carlosandleon Not even close to cowboys.
I believe he said in interviews and behind-the-scenes that he spent a lot of time specifically studying Stellan Skarskard's portrayal of the Baron, and making an intentional effort to change his voice to emulate him - especially after Elvis he knew the voice would be important in separating him from that role (he did a phenomenal job obviously) - his portrayal was pitch perfect 👌
@@greenglade47 problem is, he still sounds like elvis in many scenes here
"The kiss seemed like something Feyd would do"
He would. In the books and the first film, there are clear indicators given that the Baron desires an incestuous relationship with Feyd and Feyd seems to reciprocate - if only to further his own chances at seizing power.
Yeah, the Baron is constantly referring to Feyd as "my darling". I always interpreted it as a shout-out to various campy 20th century villains who would call everybody "my dahhhh-ling"
I've read the book. I don't remeber Feyd ever reciprocating any such thing. I remeber Baron viewing Feyd as his prize, his true heir since he himself would have no children, proud of Feyd.
But I don't recall what you're talking about.
@@sollertiskhan3254 it's there. Not a lot of time is spent on it though. It's implied like twice.
@@sollertiskhan3254 The Baron was homosexual in the book.
@@workingmamma5342 I know that. I didn't know he had any advances on Feyd, and certainly don't think Feyd every reciprocated.
But I'm wrong, its implied twice apparently.
I kinda think buttler could play a very manacing batman villain.
He can play as the Riddler.
I would love him as Victor Zsasz
can we move from superhero movies?
@@Guillhez nope. :)
Slow down he is not ready to play comic book characters thats way too serious
I just interpreted it as a Harkonnen cultural thing. Like in Europe it is not considered sexual for a man to kiss another man on the cheeks, but in English speaking countries (largely thanks to Oscar Wild) it is considered sexual.
It doesn’t seem too far of a stretch to imagine a culture where a kiss directly on the lips is a sign of mutual respect.
I don't know about the book lore but the readers had confirmed the Baron does feel something inappropriate towards Feyd and the nephew seems to reciprocate at the least, so the kiss is naturally part of his character setting albeit impromptu.
I was thinking the same thing a harkonnen culture or political move (meaning we're united) or both...
It's somewhat part of their culture, but it goes further with Baron and Feyd in the books.
Im from europe, germany specifically and its not normal here, i think its mre the southern countries
@@spacecadetred2388 any sign of affection is banned by law in the Teutonic countries
AUSTIN"S performance was brilliant, he has great instincts as to what a character would do - or not do - in certain situations. The fact that AUSTIN took Stellan's voice and incorporated it into his portrayal....stunning!!! Austin's one of the new crop of actors that has given life to movies again with their performances and charisma. His entire demeaner was like no other acting I have ever seen! All 4 actors in Dune - Timmy Chalamet, Florence Pugh, Austin and Zendaya gave the film that extra excitement.
Zendaya sucked tho. She acts like a 17 year old american girl in a sci fi epic. It was out of palce. Very bad casting.
Yeah, maybe not Zendaya though. She has moments but isn't consistent enough yet. In anything she's in really.
@@wreccen Seriously have to disagree there. Just got out of the cinema from watching part 2 - and a very easy 9.5/10 - that film was fucking awesome. I really can't see the criticism that everyone is giving Zendaya - I thought she done very well, but Timmy Chalamet and Austin - fucking hell, hats off to you two for your performance's - fucking awesome the two of you.
As said, literally got out of the cinema within the last hour - AND I AM ALREADY ITCHING TO SEE A PART 3.
Also, Dave Bautista - again another excellent performance, from what he was in the first film, to the first half of this, and how he ended up at the end - fucking awesome, all the cast involved sold this film, and the props and CGI - I would give it 10/10 - just the fact that nothing can be perfect - yet there was not a single thing I disliked in the film, nothing. so maybe a 9.9/10 then.
edit - actually I have just thought of 1 thing I disliked - at the end - PAUL didn't slit the emperors throat, and the reverend mothers - both were responsible for the slaughter of your entire house, nothing but there blood on his blade should of been enough. Abd the daughter, if you will not be willing bride, then you die with your father. No mercy was shown to the house, NO MERCY should of been given in return. That is pretty much my only issue with the entire film.
@@wreccen pretty sure that's just how Channi is supposed to act, it's got nothing to do with how Zendaya chose to portray the character. (Also, you have to remember that Channi is around the same age as Paul, putting her anywhere between 13 and 17, to Paul's 15, so the brash actions and emotional instability is to be expected)
@@rianmacdonald9454 Zendaya's Chani was the absolute worst version of a Mary Sue there is. No love for Paul; every time you see her she has this "bitter lemon face", "eye roll" "I guess I have to show the boys how to do something" attitude. I never expected her to be a wallflower, but good Lord her Chani was an awful character.
So I don’t think the uncle/nephew thing was completely gotten rid of. Just more subtle and a “if you know you know” thing. You can definitely sense there is something going on with The Baron toward Feyd.
The baron predatory, incestuous "homosexuality" was something that didn't quite sit well with me, on a personal level... but i understood why it was there.
It was to show how "bored" he was, he came from a privileged family, one the valued personal pleasure, even on the cost of their own family members, his life until that point must have give the word "depravity" a whole new meaning, at a point like that... what could give him pleasure again?
Simple sex must not be pleasurable anymore, nor rape, not even torturing people (that he clearly doesnt see as people), so... why no the next best thing, the only true people around him... his own family.
Like you said, in the movie it is more subtle, it isnt said... but you can see in his eyes, the hunger, the desire.
@@Alacaelum Yep. The p3d0/incest vibes are there. It can´t be explicite because it´s a PG13 movie, not a f-ing p0rn from dark web, but you can tell. It also explains Feyd´s psychotic behavior. Se*ual abuse, or abuse in general, is an origin story of many serial killers irl.
@@AlacaelumIt's not just about that, but that pederasty aspect makes it easier to control the younger male. I'm sure the Baron was sexually abused as well by his predecessor.
@@Alacaelum You forget the political angle. The Harkonnen depravity is also meant to intimidate others. People were scared shitless if the Harkonnen caught them alive. Plus, the Harkonnen pension for wantoness and depravity could also explain why Lady Jessica betrayed the Bene Gesserit order to have a daughter. That little depravity she had in her blood was enough to disobey.
@@energyfitness5116 It isnt much that i forgot, just that i was focusing in the personal level.
I can totally see a time when the Harkonnen started being "depraved" only as a scare tactic, but as time passed and the unilateral control and privilege they have start to sink in their minds, they started to take more pleasure from such control.
Everyone in this story thinks to be or wants to be the "perfect human", and every single one of them are just pathetic excuses of people, some understandably so others by their own actions.
On your point about Jessica... i agree, she loved Leto, she wanted to give him a son and that she did, and that happened because the Bene Gesserit were so caught in their own plan and ideology that they forgot, or better said despised, the individuality of being human, and Jessica was the middle finger of destiny to them and their stupid plan.
Without having read the books, the kiss to me seemed like an expression over their lust for power and the ecstasy of being so close to seizing it
_Unfortunately_ the Baron has a thing for pederasty and it's implied that he's got something going with Feyd. The book uses every opportunity to go "yeah this guy's greedy".
This is how it seemed to me also.
Yep, only books readers would get a spine tingle seeing that. Knowing how the Baron is….
I thought it was a bit of a nod to the Hollywood casting couch. Give me power and glory. I give you sex.
Austin did an amazing job. The kiss seemed natural for Feyd. He nailed it.
Denis has stated he is already working on writing messiah
Good!
dope
Some people say he's gonna stop working on Dune after that, I hope not and he just takes a break to eventually work on it again.
I've read that he wants to take a break to clear his mind before starting working on part 3. Where did you saw that ? If i remember well, he even wants to do another movie in between
@@fabgg_ Everyone else has read the opposite, lol. I heard he already finished the script for part 3. However, he also plans to be done with the franchise after that.
Austin was incredible for portraying the character's layers, darkness, nuance and personality. I was especially impressed with his vocal work - like making the Elvis voice part of his everyday voice, with Dune he adapted Stellen Skarsgaard's Baron voice into his own. He really brought the character to life and make him both believable, brutal and menacing.
Not at all. Sting did a much better job in the original.
He seems one of the very few Americans who has studied 'voice training'. Europeans and British actors all study voice training, various accents and dialects. Butler seems to have done the same thing.
In some medieval countries, when a nobleman was made a vassal, he'd kiss his new overlord on the mouth as a sign of respect and loyalty
I thought the scene was largely inspired by this fact
The Baron didn't lose faith in Rabban. The Baron used Rabban to prepare the way for Feyd-Rautha. This was planned all along.
IIRC, the Baron even fanned the flames, thus making Rabban act even more barbaric.
The whole idea was to presend Feyd Rautha sort of as a saviour that'll get rid of Rabban.
Right and exact.
Directors always poking their noses where they don't belong.
Give me Your list.
Top 5 best performances in my opinion:
1. Austin Butler as Feyd-Rautha
2. Timothee Chalamet as Paul
3 Javier Bardem as Stilgar
4. Stellan Skarsgard as Baron
5. Rebecca Ferguson as Lady
Jessica
1. Chalamet - he gave me goosebumps after drinking that water of life. His acting in this movie is moving and brilliant. He send me to the edge of my seat my watching Dune in theater.
2. Austin - came out like the real Feyd-Rautha person that Frank saw and then write him into the novel. His acting is so stunning and beautifully done - you can never think that this actor is the same actor who plays Elvis in the movie with the same name.
3. Rebecca - the facial expressions, just wow.
4. Stellan and Javier, tied on fourth
5. Dave Batista - he did the right acting beautifully portraying a proud person and suddenly humiliated and lost.
The rest of the actors done their part stunningly right.
I felt in love with all of them
1- *Austin* so so good, magnetic and electric every time he was on screen my eyes were GLUED to him. And his quiet, silent moments spoke so much! When he was pacing the throne room, analyzing everything around him, just... so satisfying. The voice change? The expressions every time the camera focused on him? He was on a mission and he nailed this 100%! I knew he could pull off a villain bc of "once upon a time in Hollywood" but i was NOT prepared for the level of his performance, the commitment for this role.
Needed more than 23 minutes of screen time.
2- *Rebecca* on my second watch i realized how good she was, the control over her voice, her lines delivery, her aura and eyes' expressions. She absolutely nailed it. I'm really interested in watching more of her stuff. She's amazing.
3- *Timothee* i feel like his acting on the first part was a bit muted, i enjoyed him more in the second part of the movie. But some lines delivery felt a bit weird, i don't know how to explain it but there's two times where he yells out of nowhere and i felt them too forced? But he was great in the last 30, 40 minutes. He managed to have a different aura, was really good.
// *Javier* on my second watch i definitely liked him more, although the comedic parts felt a bit umm... forced. Like they didn't fit in the whole mood of the movie? I'm not saying they were marvel-level comedic relief, that's tiring. At least it wasn't that. But i still felt it was too much at certain times. He did really good, enjoyed his performance, and he really nailed the part.
// *Zendaya* - like Timothee, i enjoyed her way more on the second part of the movie, the micro-expressions during some scenes in the last 20 minutes of the movie, great acting (when Paul says he's gonna marry Irulan, her expressions!!! nailed those). But i don't know, the part where she delivers all the lines along "here women and men are equal" etc, the way she delivered all that dialogue, felt a bit different from her character throughout the movie. It felt off to me. But maybe that's me. Still think she was amazing at some parts.
All the other characters were great but didn't leave a lasting impression on me.
The desert mouse was a standout performance.
Austin.
javier bardem was annoying in the second part. He was good in the first part though. That goes for the movie as a whole. Part2 wasnt very good in my opinion..
Prometheus Engineer and Gollum started this Harkonnen dynasty.
Damn you beat me to it
The trailer only showed him as a silent, but violent, antagonist. It was a great choice because there was so much to his performance in the movie. It was very rewarding
I don't remember the book, or any previous adaptation, saying the Baron lost faith in Rabban. He *knew* "Rabban the Beast" was too brutal to run the operation well, and set him up for failure. The Baron planned for the people of Arrakis to see the handsome and charismatic Feyd Rautha as a savior.
That's one of several things where this movie diverges: Feyd Rautha in this movie is less charismatic and more psychotic than in the book.
The baron underestimated Rabban. Twice the Baron "'corrected" Rabban, only later was it clear that he had been right all along. The Baron wanted Feyd to become emporer, and used Rabban to clear the way to make that happen.
David lynch's feyd looked the most charismatic of all the film harkonnens. Not gonna say it was an amazing performance but he actually looked like a playboy as described by the baron
Maybe not charismatic, but he did have an air of leader who isn't questioned.
Butler IS the best actor out of Hollywood since actors like Brando, Pacino, de Nero, Nicholson, Daniel Day Lewis, Hopkins, DeCaprio, Austin's talent is truly amazing.
Saw Dune 2 three days ago and was very impressed with Butler's performance. Been a fan of the books for ages and imho he absolutely nailed the character!
Probably underused and shouldve been made more physically menacing. He only 'just' beat the imprisoned Atreides doctor.
I think nailed the character is wrong. I think he fully expanded the character further. Feyd wasn’t nearly as viscerally impacting in the book as he was in the movie. He hit the role out of the park
Good point, yeah!
Frank books: sure I’ll be excited to see what he does. Franks sons books: no no , no. No thank you
For me, all of the Harkonnens worked so much better in the new films than in the 1984 one. They were spellbinding.
Prometheus happened in between.
Just so everyone knows, Dune: Messiah has actually been confirmed by Denis V.
Confirmed in the sense that he's working on a script, at least.
Has it been confirmed in terms of financing?
Yes. Keep the dune movies coming. We are here for it.
In other words, the creepiest moments were natural for him
it means he understood the character 100%
Just saw Dune Part Two yesterday and Butler was amazing as Feyd-Rautha! Villeneuve has knocked it out of the park again.
If you guys think Dune is weird. The later novels will whack you out.
Adult beefswelling, slimy jelly exoskeletons, friends of the stomach (they both like yogurt), strangely phallic worm men, we've got it all!
If ever there will be another The Doors movie, I now know the perfect actor to play Jim Morrison!
that's actually funny you say so, because Austin is rumoured to be in talks of doing heat 2's val kilmers character... who was the one being Jim in that one movie. There are definitely big similarities between val kilmer and austin. But I'm not sure he would go for another biopic but still i know he'd nail it.
@@strayfreckles oh, maybe that's why I've seen him training with guns. It's for HEAT.
Look up who played Ray Manzarek in the doors movie
TL;DR - moment when Feyd kisses Baron was improvised
They definitely should've given the Baron and Feyd more screen time since they're such a huge presence in the books.
they really weren't though Feyd had at most 7-10 pages, theres his fight when Fenring and his wife watch him and plan Margot's seduction of Feyd, there's the plot between Feyd and Thuffir to kill the baron with a pleasure slave and the Baron calls him out on it, there is the scene where the Baron has Piter explain the plot to destroy the Atreides and then there is the final scene on Arakis where Feyd and Paul fight . that all happens in sections that are at most 2 pages each
Everyone nailed everything.
Butler, Ferguson, Bardem any of them could go for supporting actor awards. Zimmer soundtrack, sets, the seeeeeemless cgi / set blend. The worlds and infrared filming. I love what he chose to focus on. Gave us such an epic worm ride scene that is all time scifi fantasy in my books.
I really want the Butlerian Jihad trilogy to be turned into a few movies. It explains a lot of how the Dune world became what it is, and you also have the whole AI and machine crusade going on. Sure it's a bit like Terminator, but different since there isn't just the single skynet AI but multiple AI, and a lot of it also takes place in space across multiple planets instead of just Earth. They also go into a few different things that are interesting. For instance there is a great bit about how one of the AI tries to understand art, but no matter what he does and how perfect his paintings he struggles to match the artistic abilities of humans. Eventually that drives the point home that AI can't replace everything that humans can do. Ultimately in a way that culminates in the fact that the humans win the war because of the discovery of spice. No matter how good an AI is it has massive disadvantages against humans that can see bits of the future and navigate faster than light travel successfully.
It could never be done well. Too many compromises would have to be made on the story to get funding.
The butlerian jihad was not against AI, it was against those in control of AI, and against the rising dependency on technology.
We are currently drifting right into it. We are totally dependent on technology, and when AI becomes better, we will end up like this, with no magical space dust to save us.
i wish he had more screen time
we were robbed... he was too good
I didn't know it was Buck from Masters of the air. Well done.
My 4 year old loves the Austin Butler movie “Aliens in the Attic”. I am not being sarcastic.
After i watched this movie then i put my hoodie string in to my nose holes so it looks like im in dune HAhahahaa
show the scene then for god's sake
So this is what the planet of the Engineers from Prometheus is like.
That’s exactly what I thought 😮
Austin Butler crushed it! He only needed DUNE 2 to make a lasting impression. I hope Denis Villeneuve makes DUNE 3 (Messiah) and goes for a solid trilogy, especially after DUNE 2's cliff hanger-like ending.
More remarkable was Austin's ability to mimic Stellan's voice. It was eerily spot on.
Yea the improv on both ends was crazy good. I think what also made Austins character so good is that he’s never played a role like this and especially on such a grand scale like this. It’s like a huge shock to the system. I remember thinking in the theatres “damn I did not expect him to pull this off but he crushed this”
Getting stoked to see this movie. Do they still have the best scene from the 1984 film when Alia says, "And how can this be? For he is the Cuisinart Hackysack !" .... love that part, pretty sure I got it right. 😊
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lol the name is a meme now? I'll join then. Kiwisack Teserract.
So my only issue is that Feyd-Rautha is suppose to be beautiful, which was part of the reason Sting was cast by David Lynch. I am excited to see Butler as the character and I know the aesthetic look of the character was not his choice.
they can always get the ixians to bring him back as a gola
Isn't it the Bene Tleilax who do that??
@@SK4M_Freal Yes,yes, it is. Ix and Richese are the mechanical. Tleilaxu are the biological engineers.
He looks like an angry baby when making that face while stabbing during the gladiator match
Butler was improvising Johnny Depp while he was being interviewed.
Without the douchebag element
Indeed. His voice is remarkable. Love the villain.
A third film has been announced and it’s the best film news I’ve heard all year
I think they can make movies up to the third book. The story of the first 3 books take place in span of less than 100 years with main characters staying but after that we get a 3000 or 4000 years jump where we're left with only 2 characters from the first 3 books.
The thing is, Children of Dune is basically setup for God-Emperor. Leaving the story with Paul wandering off into the desert, fully understanding how badly he's screwed things, seems like the best choice.
@@colbyboucher6391 true but it may be played out as the ending as well. Maybe some look into the future that we're ending those movies with the God-Emperor taking over. We'll see what are they going to do with Paul's jihad because from movie perspective it's a similar situation.
The difference is that in Childer we still have same characters and the story continues. And if we end with Paul leaving for desert we'll be left wondering what will happen with Alia etc. Also in that book we learn what Paul could do but didn't with Leto II doing it.
After the 3rd book the only characters known from previous books in God-Emperor are the God-Emperor and Duncan. The rest is long dead. Well Duncan is also kinda dead.
@@xFurashux Oh zombie Duncan...
I still wonder what Herbert was thinking. Did he think people wanted Duncan back? Was he just that attached to the character?
@@colbyboucher6391 I think he was supposed to be a last reminder for Leto about his house.
Kissing Stellan was definitely somethiing Feyd would do, and to think Austin came up with it is great!
All this time I thought Feyd-Rautha was played by Bill Skarsgård 😅
I thought so too until I looked up the cast
I can't believe that's the same cat from Masters of the Air. I thought his Elvis persona was all that he had in his repertoire. I was wrong.
This kid is so talented.
They moment that really sealed it for me(he was so awesome) is the final fight when he repeats "May they knife chip and shatter" Was so perfect.
Went to see dune part two was so brilliant
I read somewhere that Denis already had somekind of a script done on Dune: Messiah and he would like to do it, but we'll see. He is on record saying that he'll do it IF he is confident that it can be better than part 2.
The rest of the Dune series would be amazing
We should be happy we are getting Dune Messiah (another 3 hours.) Denis confirmed he is doing 3 and out….the studio at this rate may just get another for the next 3. 🤞
@@specialk3357it'd be cool if, since 3 will cover Messiah which effectively makes the trilogy Paul's story, they do another trilogy centered around Leto as the protagonist that cover children and god emperor of dune
Wow, Feyd doesn't show up in Messiah? I guess being dead kinda does that eh?
This is the best character of Austin for now. He overcame even Elvis, turned absolutelly in a beast forged in the hell of hatred to The Atreides
I had issues with the story, although visually this was one of the best movies I've seen. But Austin Butler totally stole the show! His portrayal was masterful. That dude can really act.
The concubines were not all women. It was a mix of men and women. But they're styled to look so identical in costuming and presentation, that most people probably wouldn't notice it unless they look for it.
Loved Butlers performance. So much so I actually thought he was one of Skarsgards sons with the way he mimiced the barons accent. That being said I didn't see that kiss as incestious at all. Although I didn't see Lynch's Dune for that way more sexual context, I feel like its known that people kiss each other on the lips in different cultures.
Most fans of the Dune series wouldn't be upset - however, fans of Dune who are also fans of Rendezvous With Rama would indeed be upset because there has been talk of Villeneuve directing a movie adaptation of Rendezvous With Rama, and Rendezvous With Rama is the greatest science fiction story written that does not have any movie adaptation at all - and Villeneuve is one of those guys who has the ability to do this story real justice as a movie.
2:38 whoa, hold on. just finished reading the book a week ago and the book ends extremely abruptly and has a huge cliffhanger, much more than the movie. it ends right after Irulaan is forced to take the marriage. and it ends with Mother Jessica saying something along the lines of "history will never remember her (Irulaan) as a wife, but will be a concubine that will never know touch or love from the man she's married to, but Chani is currently the concubine that history will eventually know as the wife. who has it worst?" and ends there. It's why people say Dune Messiah is an Epilogue, since dune felt so unfinished at the end. Frank has even stated he ends his books abruptly to keep people wanting more.
As I finished reading it I definetly didn't feel like there could be some continuation to the story or that there were things that needed clering up. I knew there are sequels but the original felt self sustained. Although now that i think about it, I felt a bit weird about how harry potter series ended, when in fact both have such an abrupt ending. Interesting.
Jesus Christ, I just reailzed he played Elvis too lol, what a range! Damn
Well here's the thing. They've already strayed away from the original story. If I'm not mistaken Paul's little sister was supposed to kill the Emperor in Part 2. Shes not even born yet in this version.
In the book, and in the Lynch movie, Alia (Paul's sister) kills the Baron with a Gom Jabbar after the Emperor orders him to kill her.
Kissing someone on the lips is not always a romantic thing, in other cultures people do it all the time for other sorts of affectionate reasons. I just saw it as a different cultural thing with the Harkonnens.
I took it as a nod to how the Baron is described in the book - a gay pedophile.
lol, Denis Vilnuv. Feyd was incredible in this iteration, I loved sting in this role but Butler was very well chosen. Also, Feyd can't be in the Schools of Dune series, his parents werent even born then.
Dune part 2 is much more tied with the characterization of Dune Messiah than it is Dune. Dune Messiah is Frank Herbert attempting to fix a fatal flaw, in which he gets too "attached" to Paul Atreides as a good character despite his warnings from before going all like "The Fremen are afflicted by a hero"
just saw this movie and Austin killed it
His performance was really good! Super disturbing, in the way that his character is supposed to be super disturbing. The scene where he slices the throat of two of his concubines (partially shown at 0:29 of this videos) was particularly impactful. We are used to seeing evil people doing evil things for fun in movies, but usually they do it with excessive glee. But for Butler's Feyd character, slicing a sex slave's throat seamed no more impactful as eating a bar of chocolate he bought from a convenience store.
Princess Irulan Corrino describes him as a sociopath, but he felt a lot more like a true psychopath! Sociopaths are prone to episode of rage, they can be very neurotic, spiteful, vindictive. Psychopath have very weak emotional reactions in general, they often have sadistic pleasure, but not out of spite. That makes them more terrifying. You can try to avoid the wraths of a sociopath by avoiding to do anything that could offend them, but a psychopath doesn't care about this. The only way to protect yourself from a psychopath is to avoid situation where they would have the ability to hurt you.
She said "he´s psychotic".
@@Mouse_Metal Ah! Ok! That’s not what I remember but I could very well be remembering wrong.
@@Tamizushi i went to see it twice and you both are right, when they first name Feyd, Irulan says "he's psychotic".
Later on, Lady Margot describes him as a "highly intelligent sociopath" ;)
@@strayfreckles Thanks for the clarification. :)
this had gone completely over my head :P I'm southern European and thought it was just a kiss in respect
Without actually showing that scene? Really...
good actors know that the only way to get a genuine performance is by rolling with the unexpected. Than there is no acting necessary
0:29 came like God's Finally Judgement, you don't know the Time or the Hour
They kinda turn him more honorable than in the book and first adaption
I think that scene is not all that bad, compared to David Lynch's Baron, probably the grossest Baron ever created.
I think none of the villains had enough screentime
He took "Kiss me quick" quite literally
The kiss didn’t bother me at all. It felt very authentic. If that was truly improv it paid off perfectly.
Not every fan is against Brian Herbert's Dune books. I've read most of them and I think his father would be proud of the continuation of his story...
I mean there’s lot of parents that kiss their children on the lips. If anything it seems like a sign of gratitude
He was easily the best parts of Villanueve’s DUNE. Zendaya dragged down the entire production, it could have been a good movie if she wasn’t so keen on playing such spiteful and obnoxious harpies. I still prefer the Sci-Fi miniseries of DUNE and Children of Dune, but those segments on Geidi Prime, with the Harkonnens along with the turbulence and difficulty of riding the Shai-Hulud looked really interesting and impressive. Zendaya played Zendaya, not Chani, she played an insecure sociopath not an assured and confident warrior woman that knew she had the heart of Paul.
I've been a Dune fan for decades, and I think ALL of the prequels by Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson are at least the equal of Dune, both in doing justice to the original Dune, and also in dovetailing extremely well in regard to the details of the original stories. The Butlerian Jihad series was fantastic!
May I ask, it just so happened that after reading the original Dune, I wanted to read the rest of the books at least from Frank if not all of them. But by accident, I got gifted book 2 and 3 of the Caladan trilogy instead of book 2 and 3 of the original series. I definetly plan to read original series first. But after that, is it fine to "start" with the caladan trilogy (from the first book of course) as my first Brian books? Because they are pretty much the most recent ones so there are many books that came out prior.
@@esajpsasipes2822 Yes. The Caladan trilogy is set in the preceding decades leading up to Dune.
The Butlerian Jihad trilogy takes place thousands of years before that.
That's actually the way I read them myself, because the Caladan trilogy showed up in the book section in the store, and I didn't even know there were any prequels, and I was very interested in the story, so got them then and there are started reading. When I was in the middle of the first book, I was looking up more information online and learned about the Butlerian Jihad trilogy, so I bought those online, and read that trilogy after I finished reading the Caladan trilogy.
@@esajpsasipes2822 Well, I just realized I messed up. There is a "Caladan trilogy" of prequel novels that I didn't even know about. What I was referring to in my previous post, that I read a few years ago, is the prequel trilogy called the "Prelude to Dune" trilogy, consisting of the novels "Dune: House Atreides," "Dune: House Harkonnen," and "Dune: House Corrino."
I just now learned about is what you were actually referring to by the "Caladan trilogy" - books I didn't know about - "Dune: The Duke of Caladan," "Dune: The Lady of Caladan," and "Dune: The Heir of Caladan." I didn't know those existed. Now I'll have to get those and read them. Thanks for cuing me up on them.
From my research, there are like 23 Dune books. They are grouped up into several groups - original series, prelude to dune, legends of dune (with the butlerian jihad), heroes of dune, great schools of dune, the caladan trilogy, and the two sequel novels. Then there are also a bunch of shorter stories ig.
Well, i doubt you will remember a random comment on youtube, but after you read the Caladan trilogy, please tell me if you think it is fine to read it right after the original series or if it relies on too much info from the other Brian books. It will be some time until i finish the original series anyways. Maybe i will find this info somewhere else ig.
How old are you?
I love T Chalamet in Dune 2 However Austin Butler as Feyd-Rautha was a show stealer. SO didn't see that coming.
DUNE should had been done in a series like GOTs. Movies, not even these recent ones do any justice to the extensive details of the novels. I even believe that DUNE would be better adapted to an Anime style series like Castlevania and the team that animated the show. As it stands, DUNE 1984, SyFy DUNE 2000, and and DUNE Villenueve are all imperfect interpretations, but each one has their beauty and appeal and their interpretations... Unique, to say the least.
The black and white scenes are great.
The kiss looked strictly political/ritualistic not unlike how two businessman in our world shake hands to seal the deal. His return kiss reaffirmed the deal and expressed loyalty, gratitude, allegiance. After all there is still power imbalance between the two and the baron must accept some risk that Feyd could back stab him. So Feyd's return kiss was basically, I am loyal, I'm not going to back stab you. It was reminiscent of the TV series.
This should have been a bigger part of the climax to the movie. Instead Dune 2 spent so much (boring) time on the relationship between Tim and Zen that by the time Tim and baldy fight here was no real build up of tension or major stakes at play, and then it's over in the blink of an eye. A massive wasted opportunity similar to Napoleon - an over focus on 'relationships' at the expense of the bigger picture. That's pretty much why this is a 7/10 movie for me. Pretty good in many respects, but just misses the mark.
idk what it is but them exchanging that line before their fight is so sick
The baron never had faith in Rabban. His plan was always to first inflict Rabban’s stark and crude brutality on Arrakis, and then take him away, replace him with Feyd-Rautha who in comparison would seem calm, stable and sophisticated.
I hope they continue the the Dune universe!!!
The Baron Plays no part in future Dune books ? Lol!
He doesn't. Now, as an avatar of the child's madness? yes.
If you don't consider possessing Alia a major part...
"Not to spoil anything..." proceeds to spoil everything :(
Honestly loved that scene. Definitely something Feyd would do and in line with the subtleties in the book.
As for me and my house, we have seen enough of Dune. No more, please.
I loved the scene.
I think Denis V. should angle to do a prequel trilogy following dune part 3.
Featuring a strong female lead in the character of Serena Butler is right up Hollywood's game plan. And highlighting the fight against AI is fitting for the times we live in.
Denis said he’s done after the 3rd. He’s ready to move on to other projects sadly.
Not only did Feyd kiss his uncle. The smirk he gave to the crowd and most likely the audience was very “how’s your impression of me now?”
It’s scary to be a fan these days. You never know what you’re worshipping till it’s too late.
In the end, his character was just a plot device. Didn't really had a big impact on the story. Oh wait, he used artillery to destroy something. Very genius. No one ever thought about it in the Dune universe before apparently.