How Lucas Got Into Long Range Shooting and Why
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- Long Range or Precision shooting capability is an essential component of the Second Amendment. In this video, Lucas explains why he got into precision shooting, his experience and insight on gear selection, and how T.REX ARMS is curating our offerings to provide the best gear for you.
00:00:00 Sniper Stuff
00:00:34 Long Range/Precision Importance For Civilians
00:03:53 Disclaimer / Personal Experience
00:05:57 Long Range Vs. Precision Terminology
00:07:14 Selecting a Rifle
00:07:35 Gas Gun Vs. Bolt Gun
00:10:01 "Accurizing" A 5.56 Carbine
00:12:26 Optic Choice / Mounts
00:17:52 How Much Magnification?
00:20:17 Ammo Considerations
00:26:35 Chronograph
00:31:49 Ballistic Computers
00:43:56 Kestrel Device Specifics
00:51:59 Range Finding
00:57:54 Clip-On Devices
01:00:26 Shooting Bags
01:01:56 Tripods
01:03:13 Targets
01:05:52 Bipods
01:08:33 Training Considerations
01:11:11 Lessons Learned / Lucas Personal Journey
01:12:15 Goal of T.REX ARMS Curation - Věda a technologie
The infringement isnt removing the ability to buy, it is preventing you from ever having the cash to buy. Imagine what you could get with 40% of your income (taxes) back.
Great point
Amen!!!!
EVERYTHING IS AN INFRINGEMENT
@@xxxlonewolf49Your comment is an infringement on my natural right to not read BS.
Lucas doesn’t seem to be infringed in that regard. Don’t blame your lack of funds on the government. Maybe if you stopped drinking Starbucks and wasting your money on the latest iPhone, you could afford a decent rifle. #bootstraps
Admitting that you don't know everything, and you're willing to learn, is a sign of intelligence. Greatings from across the pond.
Some basics in case a kestrel isn’t available:
Higher temp equals less dense air and a faster velocity
Higher elevation equals less pressure and a faster velocity
Humidity matters least of all.
Shooting in a high desert environment (hot, low humidity, in the mountains) has my rounds going way faster than they would at sea level on a cold coast.
Yep. Hell, baseball alone can teach you that with all the moonshots you get in Denver vs east coast ball parks.
***Higher humidity equals less dense air and a higher velocity
More water in the air = more space between air molecules = less dense air.
But, yes, you can pretty much set humidity to 50 and ignore it for most shooting scenarios.
@@kenchang619 thanks. I’ll edit the comment. I couldn’t remember exactly how it worked.
I think about it in terms like I was jetting a two stroke dirt bike.
@@kenchang619 That is not accurate. The higher the humidity, the denser the air. “Air” is a mixture of molecules, mostly nitrogen. Water vapor is denser than all the other gases present in atmospheric air, so by all logic more water in the air = more air.
I love how Lucas throws around “nerd” like he isn’t one of them
Be a nerd but not a dork
That is the joke.
😂 nerds for the win
especially when he comes to realize that CBTO and the amount of bullet-jump is a thing - - and how deep factory ammo is seated; and what that means for precision.
There's a reason precision shooters hand load.
They have tuned their seating depth to some number like .012" off the lands. Whereas that factory ammo he's settling on could be .110 - .190" (in his chamber)...within a single box varying by 80 thou or more.
And a high S.D. is going to be "good luck, nerd" when you are talking about a 2.5 foot difference in bullet drop at 1000 yards - if your box of ammo is giving you an ES of in high double-digits. Regardless of how much money he's sunk into all of that other gear.
I predict he'll be turning towards hand-load development, sooner or later. Probably sooner.
There’s also quite a few very accomplished shooters in the competition realm, for instance Eric Cortina who if I’m not mistaken doesn’t believe in chasing the lands.
Would really depend on an individuals obsession for perfection and what level of the spectrum they’re on 😂
Straight badass! I love everything TREX ARMS stands for!
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Lucas, long range shooting is the most demanding shooting discipline and skill set there is. Even with the advantages offered by all of the high tech equipment that is available this skill demands countless hours of range time sending literally 10's of thousands of rounds downrange for years before it is truly etched into your soul. You can spend a lifetime sharpening your skills and still continue to learn each time you send a round downrange. There is no substitute for knowing that if you can see it, you can hit it.
was just out at my second ever long range competition here in Montana and i was in a group with some experience dudes and our crazy wind and constant wind changes was even challenging them and their shots.
Good comment. It's honestly making me think about selling my more budget long range setup. I love to shoot it but honestly haven't in 6+ years. I'd probably be more of a liability with it in wrol. There is the thought of having it and giving it to someone with experience but they would probably already have a good setup if they are experienced. Probably better off just sticking to pistol and cqb rifle stuff.
It’s all relative.. anybody can learn their dope and get hits at 500m with a decent 5.56 and optic… doesn’t take some mythical effort.
@@farastray1 i watched guys with a lot of experience miss some 500 yard shots with much larger rounds due to the crazy wind we get here in Montana. dont act like its super easy at all times.
If you kan shoot 1 moa group at 100 metres you are ready for long range. No magic required. If you are seroed at 100 metres you will hit at your first shot at a 1000 metres, as long as your data and windcall is correct. I rapeat, is you can shoot 1 moa or better at 100 it is good enough. I won my first long range match with two shots taken at 500 metres.
Autistic reloader here. Lucas, keep going. Youre sticking a toe into the long range precision world, and you may not see the value yet in reloading, but keep going. You will. Your standards arent high enough yet. But keep going. Love watching the learning
Truth, Lucas you will find a quality rig with quality reloads is where you will end up. Keep up the great content.
You really do need to hand load to get where you wanna go with precision shooting.
Match ammo will do for popping watermelons.
He still doesn't know what he doesn't know. It is great to see the change happening. Knowing his type of obsessive compulsive personality in how he does things, I'd bank on seeing him start handloading and probably some content within the next 5 years. The frustration alone of constantly dealing with lot number variation and wandering poi will get him there as it did most of us.
@zulu_delta09 totally agree. He's not a "half-assed" kinda guy, but right now doesn't know enough to realize how important it is. His money will help offset getting into it, because he can buy the best ammo and a ton of it from one lot at a time, which will help, but in the end if his goals are high enough, he will reload.
I appreciate your willingness to speak the facts about the situation our country has found itself in. 🍻
A tinfoil hat and prescription amphetamines will make you believe any conspiracy theory nonsense. Also, during a gold rush, selling shovels is the most lucrative thing you can do, and Lucas here is obviously selling some expensive ones by heating up the narrative with "the position our country is in."
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the speaking is very simple: ''GAY''
@@KevinWood44 is that directed to me?
@@dewineon101 are you cumin out
Getting training from Bryan was the best foundation you could have ever started with. So many “personalities” in the precision rifle world. Bryan is a phenomenal teacher and an even better person. I have the utmost respect for him and was fortunate enough to take an entry to precision rifle class with him several years ago in FL. One day I hope to get out to Hat Creek to do some high angle and crazy wind stuff. Glad to see T.Rex getting into the precision rifle space……to me that’s where the fun has always been.
Lucas, idk if you're able to, but prairie dogs are great for precision shooting training. They live in windy locations, with longer ranges which are unknown, it helps farmers/ranchers to remove them, lots of fun, good to learn communication with your spotters, etc. Very very useful.
We have ground squirrels- excellent practice!
Not cool
@@Marisa_enjoyer what? Did you respond to the wrong person?
@@TheVvolfgang Absolutely not, you sicko.
@@Marisa_enjoyercry about it, weeb
tyberisourusrex has a great long range 101 playlist
THIS. His videos literally taught me enough to sit down and get first round impacts out to 900 yards on the first day. Got on 1000 eventually. Can't recommend him enough. People hate on him but it's hard to argue with how comprehensive his video series is. That and you can listen to it passively (in shower, driving) in places you can't read Cleckners book
I started on it as well.
Two years later I qual for my first time PRS world chanpionship.... (IPRF)
@@brockedandloaded6034why people hate on him.
@Herezjush he had cancer, survived, but gained some weight. I think new ppl just see him as a fat fud because they're ignorant of the above.
He is pretty heavy christian based too, that could be part of it as well.
@Herezjush I think what he said. He's a super nice guy, kinda goofy sometimes with that northern accent, and Christian. That's a recipe for haters unfortunately. What gets me is his teaching is spot on. People may not like him but can't really what he's teaching. Maybe it's because it's free and comprehensive. They see it given away for free instead of selling you on their long range 101 class where they show you how to zero a rifle.
As mentioned in a couple of my videos. One of the reasons I've made both long range and precision shooting my life work is, if you look at it as a fighting style, it's arguable the most proficient gun fighting discipline. In many real world combat scenarios, creating distance between you and your opponent is key. Precision shooting allows you to use that distance but also be devastating from such distance with obvious other advantages. Great content here and awesome to see you in this discipline!
I thought my rifle was 338LM. It’s actually chambered in $10 bills.
I thought 338L was the $20 bill LOL
One of the fastest ways to accelerate your knowledge when it comes to precision shooting (and gear selection) is to start shooting competition: PRS for bolt guns or Quantified Performance or similar for gas guns. Competitors are always really eager to help new shooters and you'll get your hands on just about every chassis, scope, bipod etc all in one place. And then when you start buying your own gear, shooting a match with it will reveal strengths/weaknesses very quickly. Anyway, great video Lucas. Happy you are finally going down the precision shooting rabbit hole.
and if you don't want to spend tons of $ on ammo, there's always 22 PRS. I won't say 22LR rifles are less $ cause the rimfire PRS rabbit hole goes as deep as centerfire PRS.
No joke. At some point, you send your rifle off to get lot tested and start buying .22lr ammo in thousand dollar increments.
But yea…chose NRL because it’s…cheaper…yea…😂
Would love to do this but my area being alberta canada only has 2 prs matches once a year from what i can find and i have allot of trouble timing it with my work.
@@crownember560 Come to the states! At the rate Biden is letting in folks, you should be fine.
@BDKR would love to but i couldn't afford it.
long-range shooting essentials and gear selection is incredibly informative.
Great video! definitely already watched the entire thing...
With trex arms you don't have to watch the whole thing to know it's quality
Love this kind of content and I love that you are one of the few guys willing to discuss the reasons why.
Most if all, I love that Lucas freely admits his mistakes, shortcomings and gaps in his knowledge.
It means that to the normal bloke on the range, if he is struggling, he can look back at a T-Rex arms video and think to himself "Well if Lucas struggled with this, then it's not me, and I can overcome this"
There are FAR too many content providers that "never" get it wrong or make mistakes. They become unreachable idols that cause many people to give up because they believe "I'll never be that good"
Back in the 90’s I collected the parts to make a M40A1 including the Unertl optic and mount. I called George Gardner of G A precision to build it. After I gave him my idea, he said you know I can build you a better rifle. Milspec isn’t always a good thing.lol
I like clones and am quite jealous of your glass. I have a complete M40A1 I had built in the 00’s, except for no Unertl.😭😭😭
And yes there are way better options. It’s just cool.
M40s arent bought, they're built by Marine Corp gunsmiths. Its hard to get better, mechanically, than a blueprinted receiver with a clip slot bedded into a fiberglass stock.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz it was built by probably the best Marine gunsmith, Eric Reid. Built on a Remington 700 from 1966 with a USMC contract barrel. Mcmillan smeared Camo stock that was a USMC return. He used Winchester bottom metal, machined exactly like the RTE did. The Unertl scope mount I bought from Mike Green, who was the guy that bought Mrs Unertl out. I would say it is as close as you could get to the original.
Thanks Lucas! One of the most informative videos regarding stepping into precision shooting on the internet. Most other videos completely skip the fact that most people have no idea where to get started.
Not going to lie Lucas, I am so happy to see the NX8 2.5-20 get love from you. Long story longer, I built my dream AR build over the last 7 years. If I had the money at once ida got an LMT MARS but I don’t have that kind of money being the bread winner for a family of three. I have to save and be patient. So it’s an aero lower.
My dream however was a do anything 14.5” SPR build of premium parts (if money were no object if you will). Last year I got a bonus at a job I was working at and it was finally time to spend coin on an optic. I was torn between a Vcog, mark 5 2.5-10 or 3.5-18, or an NXS 2.5-10. Vcog lost because I learned about 2x per 100 meters, nxs lost because the 24 and 34mm are discontinued, and I don’t want 42mm or second focal plane. The leupold lost because I couldn’t justify 500 extra dollars for illumination.
So I found an NX8 2.5-20 mil-c FFP demo model for 1800 which was just within my budget along with a Badger 1.54 condition one mount. I got the scope and loved it! But then I kept reading negative ass reviews about eye box and sensitive parallax. I tried finding CZcams reviews and Cdoes was the only creator I could find doing in-depth review on it and he had wonderful remarks to say.
So I love my scope a ton but I’ve always had that small buyers remorse feeling thinking maybe something else would have been “better” but because I don’t buy expensive scopes often I just don’t know what I don’t know. Seeing your channel rep the scope has definitely made me feel better about it despite the 30mm tube, parallax, and eye box being tight. I wanted an end all be all scope i could place on various builds in the future, something as versatile as possible and I think I made a good decision seeing you use it on bolt guns not just ARs in 556.
Thanks big dog!
I have a nx8 2.5-20 on a 16” SPR. Absolutely amazing scope. Love everything about it. Probably bit overkill considering my 308 for hunting has a 3-15 vortex viper on it 😅
Mpvos on sub 16" barrels are a vibe
It's awesome to see how you're evolving your company to support the regular guy.
Great content here. As well, the "Sniper 101" playlist by tiborosaurus Rex on CZcams is a great resource for anyone starting out in long range shooting. A lot of the videos are dated due to equipment advances, but principles remain the same. I am unaware of a better free resource for study on the topic.
Agreed, his (TR’s) series is fairly comprehensive, especially for free on the Tubes.
I've been doing prs for a while. I just put together a 24in barrel 6mm arc. I only have about 200 rounds on it. But it is a seriously impressive cartridge. Easy repeatable impacts out to 1200-1300 yards is awesome out as AR platform.
Glad theres a company building the 2nd ammendment from knowledge, to each individual, to industry, to actually providing gear. Cheers & Rock on to Lucas & Family for making TRex Arms, Armory, etc. You guys must have one doozy of a fam reunion! 🤘
I'm glad to see someone with reach thinking about these things too.
I've been obsessing over precision shooting for about 4 1/2 years. It's a very demanding skill, quite addicting and expensive down the line. I learned to manually log all my velocities in temperatures from 0-90 in 10° increments and make a table for each, then print and laminate, it's important to allow your ammo to reach the ambient air temp. Just one drop in the bucket but it's been a very useful habit for me.
Great timing thank you I needed this video
I would encourage anyone getting into PRS to learn how to reload. Something like Lapua brass with Berger bullets will result in far more consistency and accuracy, yes, I said accuracy. Being able to control what ammo you're shooting is a game changer. It's important to remember that not every rifle is the same. What works in my rifle will not necessarily work in your rifle.
hey brother, what would you say is my best option for a magnum cartridge bolt gun for not 10-15,000 dollars like the ones in this video? lol the tactical precision chassis look sooo cool and I love it but man I could never acquire these guns he's got.
@@tyonidus9337 Built your own on a custom action like Curtis, Terminus, Tikka, etc. get a 24" bartlein or brux barrel, and any chassis or stock you want. Bottom metal and trigger is subjective. You can really be closer to the 3k-7k range depending on optics if you build your own
My favourite combo
@tyonidus9337 don't let price deter you. Check out my channel for budget based long range. You can do a lot with a simple Ruger Precision Rifle, Tikka, even cheap Savage 10/110. People get caught up on how much a gun cost. If it's got a good barrel and shoots well, you're going to be the limiting factor. I'm more scared of a guy with thousands of rounds and new barrels through his Savage than a guy with 200 rounds through his Surgeon. (Not being funny)
@@tyonidus9337 What Manwhich526 said and you can get a Vortex Viper II 5x25x50 for less than a 1k with a MRad reticle.
I never get tired of looking at 2010s, what an artifact
Yes they are beautiful rifles!
Hey Lucas, great intro video! Keep up the education and reps! Quick clarification on your velocity concerning trueing. Just like environmental changes impact the intermediate ballistics (from the rifle’s muzzle to the target), they also impact some of the internal ballistics (ignition to muzzle). Without getting overly granular, ammunition temperature is probably the most likely to cause those changes in muzzle velocity from the two environments described. Otherwise, air density for example, and others will also cause their own deviation from zero between low to higher elevations. These kinds of details help create both the draw and challenge of precision shooting for many of us as no two environments are equal. I hope you really enjoy this journey. Reach out if there’s any way we can serve you.
I waited for soo long for this
and Finally it is here
watching all the way through! Great long form long range long- long!
The cost of that chassis and glass..... Nice.....
what chassis is that
@@biggtubbzSurgeon
I’ve never been so early. I’ve watched content this year from the last 5 years
LFG Lucas, stay motivated, stay passionate, you're a very important, highly influential person. Keep it up.
Putting out your imperfections up front. The reason I watch your content. Respectable!!
Great video overall. I'll add, I think you are underestimating the power of precision reloading, especially with an extremely high end rig like you've got there. You may shoot .5-.8" groups with factory loads, but you'll never get as consistent velocities as you can with reloads, which pays huge dividends at long distances.
I agree.
i don't even own a rifle, but i found this amazing! way over my head, but it's definitely learnable.
I picked up a IPR Scout from Granite Rifle Group LLC and it really let me get into the realm of precision shooting without having to kill myself over the details of it. I simply got to go shoot and start learning. Highly recommended.
Great content. Learning how to shoot long range accurately is a skill all prepared citizens should have. I’ve been on the same journey the last 2 years and it’s a blast. It takes time, patience, and practice to become proficient at this sport.
Lucas,
As you well know, the name of the game in precision shooting is limiting the variables in your shooting system. This is one reason why shooters load their own ammo.
This could also be something that limits your ability at distance. While doing dot drills at 100 meters, your ammo inconsistency will not show itself.
However, as you take your platform to farther distances this is where those inconsistencies will show. From a training perspective, this can really hurt the shooter.
How can you evaluate your performance? How do you know if you made an error in your performance or your results are due to data that’s not consistent?
This is why majority of precision shooters eventually end up loading their ammo. When you go to a class or competition, spend the money to attend, the travel cost all that high end equipment you’ve purchased to attend to only be frustrated because you’re chasing your tail
due to inconsistent ammo.
It’s like having a high end performance race car and putting locally bought unleaded gas in the tank. It’s not going to perform to its capabilities.
Test a box of Factory Match Ammo . Measure the case head to ojive length then pull each cartridge apart. Check the bullets base to Ojive length on each one …. See what the percentage of difference there is in a box or 20.
Then measure the powder volume contained in each case…. What’s the difference throughout the box?
Then check just the case length and weigh them… you might be surprised how with what you find. All these things matter down range. Obviously they matter more with certain caliber choices over others inside of 1000 meters.
Any inconsistencies you find will explain why most factory ammo has higher standard deviations in shot to shot speed and the extreme spread of the speeds throughout the entire box of ammo than those an individual would hand load with tier 1 quality components . Just one reason why you might want to keep an open mind when it comes to loading precision ammo if you want to get the most out of your system and your shooting experience.
Like you said in your video, this isn’t blasting 55gn ball at 25 yards. I wish you the best of luck on your new endeavor. It’s a craft, you won’t learn this in a few months or even a year… the rabbit hole is deep. Enjoy the ride 🤙🏼
That was very well explained. The reloading rabbit hole is quite deep, but when you find a load that the rifle likes 🤌
A couple of other tips:
A round sitting in a hot chamber will have a higher velocity.
Ammo left in the sun on a hot day will have a higher velocity.
If possible, the kestrel should be left suspended in air in the shade (like hanging on a branch). If the kestrel is in the sun on a table, you will have an artificially high temp.
Knew some guys who would mess with other people at CMP matches and tell them to leave their ammo in the hot truck...
Windmill it, wait a little bit, get actual temp.
Also keep it togheter with ammo;)
This is your best video yet, thank you Lucas.
Love what you do for us Lucas! These videos are amazing brother..
Best channel on CZcams change my mind! 🤙🏼
Its the only 2A channel i watch. Trex must not have monetized their channel or something because its the only one with no ads every four minutes. Amazing.
@@chips9092correct they’re still non-monetized.
@@chips9092 With their content type, there is no way CZcams would monetize their videos.
@@tombo3425 yeah but garand thumb has ads, which is why I stopped watching his stuff.
How about one that actually understands the purposes of the 2nd Amendment?
Perfect timing, I’m just now getting into long range.
Thank you Lucas and Trex Arms. Your content has been extremely informative and I’ve enjoyed following your journey. Going to be fun watching your long range content as well. Best of luck and God bless. 👍
Excited to see your journey continue and more people learn the skill
Great stuff (im here to try and help the algorithm)
4:50 it’s simultaneously relieving and troubling that there are others seeing the same writing on the wall.
I’m honestly confused and don’t see what everyone is all worked up about. The Supreme Court has reaffirmed our individual right to bear arms. Religious rights have been expanded to a greater extent than ever before. The unemployment rate is very low and the economy is humming along. Feels like people are stirring up fear unjustifiably. Why would they do that? Well, if everything is going great, I don’t need to buy the latest and greatest equipment. But if we are teetering on the brink, I better go buy this rifle and this equipment and these supplies, $$$, who would benefit financially from that?
@@McGloin349it sure is an expensive hobby. Although it seems there has been a massive uptick in the marketing and sales of everything 2A related. Thanks to Old Joe and his ever backfiring agenda implementation. Brilliant, isn't it? Yeah, I too wonder who is making a profit behind the scenes. Politicians do indeed seem to be getting awfully stinking rich above their salaries, aren't they though? Thanks for igniting my flash pan.
@@McGloin349 inflation is at like 40%, and the government is trying to allow non citizens to vote in our elections, our border is being flooded with millions of undocumented illegal savages from Africa and South America while agents of foreign countries enter as well, and our infrastructure is so much worse than you think it is
@McGloin349 The dollar is dead. The economy is doing awful. Part time minimum wage job growth. They don't want people armed when the bail IN happens
Lucas I hope you get in to reloading and load development! Watching how different loads react to the individual rifle and seeing your groups tighten up with the right load is a mind blowing experience I think you would enjoy.
Great video. Very Informative. Thank you Lucas!
Joyce Lee Malcom’s book “To Keep and Bear Arms: The Origins of an Anglo-American Right” is worth a read. It talks about how the citizen’s right to bear arms does indeed include an individual right to bear arms for self protection of the home and in public. Though it does also exist for the right of the citizen to defend themselves against Government as well, undoubtedly.
No book required. "People deserve the government the get." -- The Ancients.
@@goosecouple I’ve heard that attributed to quite a few folks, which i learned reading books. Ones inherent right to self defense supersedes any document, nonetheless the book I mentioned provides the contemporary context and political/social conversations/situations that would have informed the founding fathers. Those pieces are important when defending the 2nd, and other Amendments in the world today.
interesting!
Tons of useful information...thank you
Thank you so much for your information. You are freaking awesome dude. you’ve been speaking what I’ve known for years
Strike Eagle FFP, 34 mm tube, MIL tree reticle 5-25 and 3-18 scopes are quite good for under 7-800. I’m not sure that the NF optics are 2-3x better at their price points. And if you’re concerned with durability, the vortex warranty is well known as one of the (if not THE) best
Vortex is a great company. A persons budget and needs should drive their purchase.
For those that depend on their optics because they have money or more riding on weather the optic will perform the best warranty is one you don’t ever need to use.
You get what you pay for in life an it’s no different with quality optics.
Vortex makes amazing quality products but your Strike Eagle isn’t remotely in same area code as a Razor. Dang sure no where near that NX 8.
But if a person shoot twice a year or is half blind, they could look through a Tangent and not be able to recognize the difference.
@@joeygreen7854 I’m not saying strike eagles are the same as a NF. I’m saying a NF is not 2-3x as good relative to the price being 2-3x. At some price points, you’re paying a premium that does not correlate linearly with performance. You’re paying double or triple for marginal improvements/advantages. I believe most people can spend less on a vortex and their PRS/long range experience will not be all that different from someone who paid more for a NF.
I also believe that a company that offers a warranty similar to vortex’s has to put out quality and durable optics that 90% of the population can rely on. If not they would be bankrupt. The other 10% are trying to to trijicon things to a vortex and then need to utilize their warranty
Ok, that’s a fair statement… Yes, there is a level in optical quality where you reach the a break over point and the juice may be very little for that squeeze…
I’ll agree with you totally there and I will also agree that most entry level shooters wont see or know the difference. Also as you said, Nor will it make any impact on their performance.
However this is only because of their performance level and inexperience. There is a marked difference in the performance quality. If pointed out by an instructor or professional even the inexperienced shooter will see the difference. However do they really need the quality? That’s only a question they can answer. You are only handicapped by your equipment once you’ve reached your proficiency level with that system.
I think we are totally in agreement here 🤙🏼
Hi Lucas, folks can get into decent optics in the sub $500 range that will give them 95% of the capability of a much more expensive scope. Look at Arken for example. For less than $500 you can get a scope that absolutely won't limit your performance at all out to 5-600 yards. It's not going to have the resolution, color accuracy or perhaps durability of a $3000 scope, but I guarantee that at 100 yards out to 500 yards you will see no degradation in hits. I would love to see you test something like that to see if you can prove me wrong. I tested an ep4 years ago and immediately sold my nxs due to the opportunity cost.
Lots of very good options out there. Primary Arms seems to be same or better then scopes 2x or even 3x the price. I didn’t expect much and was very surprised
Arken optics makes excellent scopes price is not always indivitavie of quality.
Arken makes a decent scope especially for the price. Where the issue comes in is you might get one or two out of ten or twenty that have a 98% tracking accuracy. The others can be anywhere in the spectrum.
Also someone isn’t going to spend what it cost to be competitive or “ accurate “ at distance in a rifle platform then stick a budget optic on it. They might but it just doesn’t make sense.
After all the name of the game in long range precision is limiting variables in your shooting system.
Also based on the fact that Lucas is using factory store bought ammunition I’m not sure he’d be the best to accurately perform such a test. There would be things that would influence his test outside of his control.
Any of you ever take a box of Factory Match Ammo and pull each cartridge apart? I challenge you to do so and see that you find… check the bullets base to Ojive length on each…. See what the percentage of difference there is in a box or 20.
Then measure the powder volume in each case…. What’s the difference in a box
Then do the cases check the length and weight… all that will explain why most but not all factory ammo has higher standard deviations in shot to shot speed and the extreme spread of the speeds throughout the entire box of ammo. Just one reason precision shooters load their own ammo.
Great video and information. I’ve fairly new to the PRS world with only 5 years in that discipline, but everything that Lucas is saying is spot on. Practice, practice, practice will get you to where you want to be.
Great information. Thank you!
I started using arken optics a couple years ago and now every hunting rifle I own now has arken optics on them. They can't be beat for the price.
To touch on the scopes, I personally have Nightforce, leupold, vortex scopes and the Nightforce is by far the best build quality and class clarity with excellent and accurate parallax adjustments as well.
Worth the extra money then?
@@f308gtb1977 Absolutely for precision shooting. If you never shoot beyond 300 yards/meters though you would definitely benefit from saving the coin for something else like ammo or other accessories. Parallax and glass quality are crucial for precision shooting out to distance and Nightforce has that for sure! I will be getting a Schmidt and Bender soon to get my own eyes behind that tube of glass as well. Downside to nightforce is at higher magnifications you tend to have a very tight exit pupal, but that can be overcome by backing off the zoom just a touch.
@@f308gtb1977 easily....if you use it.
Cool flex. We already know Nightforce is good. Cool flex though.
@@AlexThompson tell us about more premium Gucci scopes you’re “getting behind.”
Keep up this type of content, so valuable.
The fact that right out the gate you bring up the real reason the 2A is for I freaking love it cause no one else speaks it. Thank you.
Christ is king. Great content.
Amen!
What's he the king of? Pedarists?
Something that doesn't get talked a lot in regards to the 2A is sovereignty. Here it's summarized by an AI on the relationship between the two:
The relationship between sovereignty and the Second Amendment is a complex and multifaceted one, rooted in the principles of individual rights, government accountability, and the maintenance of a free and representative democracy. Sovereignty is the ultimate authority and power vested in the people, which is the cornerstone of a democratic system of government. The Second Amendment, as a key component the Bill of Rights, plays a crucial role in upholding and protecting this sovereignty.
At its core, the Second Amendment recognizes the inherent right of individuals to bear arms as a means self-defense and protection against tyranny. This right is on the belief that the ultimate power and authority should rest with the people, and that an armed citizenry is a check against government overreach and abuse of power. By ensuring that individuals have the means to defend themselves and their liberties, the Second Amendment serves as a safeguard against any threats to the sovereignty of the people.
Furthermore, the right to bear arms under the Second Amendment is seen as a crucial aspect of individual sovereignty. It empowers citizens to take responsibility for their own safety and security, rather than relying solely on the government for protection. In this sense, the Second Amendment reinforces the idea that sovereignty ultimately resides in the hands of the people, and that they have the right to defend themselves and their rights.
The Second Amendment also reflects the founding fathers' belief in the importance of an armed citizenry as a deterrent against foreign aggression and domestic threats. By arming the people, the government ensures that they can protect themselves and their communities in times of crisis or emergency, further strengthening the sovereignty of the nation.
In conclusion, the relationship between sovereignty and the Second Amendment is one of mutual reinforcement. The right to bear arms enshrined in the Second Amendment serves as a crucial protection of individual and national sovereignty, ensuring that the power remains with the people and that they have the means to defend themselves against any threats to their freedoms and rights. It is a fundamental aspect of our constitutional republic and a vital safeguard against tyranny and oppression.
America is a Constitutional Republic. Constitutional Republics guarantee specific rights per their constitution, unlike a democracy which is rule by the mass media which convinces average people they are well informed. The two forms of government are on the opposite ends of the political spectrum.
@@dentontxflatearthguy2903 You are right.
I looked in to it a bit with the help of an AI:
The Founding Fathers used several descriptors to describe the United States instead of "democracy" or "democratic system." Some of these descriptors include:
1. Republic: The Founding Fathers often referred to the United States as a "republic." This term emphasizes the idea that power is held by the people, but that the government is not a direct expression of the people's will. Instead, the government is a representative body that is elected by the people to make decisions on their behalf.
2. Constitutional Republic: This descriptor emphasizes the importance of the Constitution in limiting the power of the government and protecting individual rights. It highlights the idea that the government is not a pure democracy, but rather a system of government that is bound by a written constitution.
3. Federal Republic: This term emphasizes the idea that the United States is a federation of states, with power divided between the federal government and the individual states.
4. Limited Government: The Founding Fathers believed in a limited government, with powers strictly defined and limited by the Constitution. This descriptor highlights the idea that the government has only those powers that are explicitly granted to it by the Constitution, and that all other powers are reserved to the states or the people.
5. Constitutional Liberty: This descriptor emphasizes the idea that the government exists to protect the liberties of the people, as defined by the Constitution. It highlights the idea that the government's power is limited by the Constitution, and that the people have certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government.
6. Self-Government: The Founding Fathers believed in the idea of self-government, where the people govern themselves through their elected representatives. This descriptor highlights the idea that the people are the source of government power, and that the government is accountable to the people.
7. Federalism: This term emphasizes the idea that power is divided between the federal government and the individual states. It highlights the idea that the government is a system of shared power, where the states and the federal government have distinct and separate powers.
These descriptors highlight the Founding Fathers' belief in a system of government that is limited, accountable, and based on the principles of individual liberty and self-government. They emphasize the idea that the government is not a pure democracy, but rather a system of government that is designed to protect the rights and liberties of the people.
The Founding Fathers did not use the term "democratic society" to describe the United States. Instead, they used terms such as "republic" and "constitutional republic" to describe the system of government they established. The term "democracy" was not a widely used or well-defined concept during the Founding era, and many of the Founders were skeptical of pure democracy as a form of government.
In fact, the Founding Fathers explicitly rejected the idea of a democratic society in several important documents, including the Constitution and the Federalist Papers. For example, in Federalist No. 10, James Madison wrote that "democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention;" and in the Constitution, the Founders established a system of government based on representation and checks and balances, rather than direct democracy.
Instead of "democratic society," the Founding Fathers used terms such as "representative democracy" or "constitutional republic" to describe the system of government they established. These terms emphasize the idea that power is held by the people, but that it is exercised through elected representatives and a constitutional framework, rather than through direct democratic decision-making.
Therefore, while the Founding Fathers did not use the term "democratic society" to describe the United States, they did establish a system of government that is based on democratic principles and values, such as representation, individual rights, and the rule of law.
+1 for Criterion barrels. I've gotten sub minute groups using their 13.9" core series + headspaced BCM bolt with IMI 77gr Razercore and AAC 69gr OTM's, and comfortably tighter than 1.5" with IMI 55gr FMJ, Winchester 62gr "RED223" and AAC 75gr sabre black tip 5.56 so far. I haven't tried any loads with monolithic/machined bullets either.
An often overlooked factor with those barrels is that they chrono fast too. In 80 degree temps/50% humidity near sea level, Razercore out of their 13.9" was getting me 2,747 feet per second, AAC 69gr was 2,800, IMI 55gr was 3,059 feet per second, etc. So their 13.9" barrels chrono just as fast if not faster than a lot of 16" barrels out there. Makes for a very capable AR that can flex into recce or SPR roles just as well as it can perform as a handy Aimpoint/Eotech equipped fighting rifle, but in a smaller package that is not hilariously long, especially suppressed.
Love it, Lucas. Keep up the good work, brother.
I've bought and been issued all kinds of stuff and I'm about to buy my third Arken. For people on a budget they're worth a look and on sale right now.
I second that. I got two of em and I love em.
I agree! Love mine, love the extra cash in my pocket also!
A CZcams video series that has been very helpful to me is TiborasaurusRex Long Range 101: czcams.com/video/pwG-D0HjCBQ/video.html
Sir. you did an excellent job presenting this topic. Thank you.
Nice video man keep up the good work
saying that magnums belong in bolts while implying that 308 doesn't show you have lots to learn. thats like saying 223 doesn't belong in a bolt gun. You're basing it off recoil it sounds like when you should be basing it off of the precision needs of the shooter. gas guns are getting better thats true, its exciting to see them get this competitive
Christ is king. Great content
Amen!
Good choice of message bot, but still - what in the heck is this thing doing here YT...?
Long-range and precision shooting are crucial aspects of responsible gun ownership, and it's great to see Lucas sharing his experience and insights on gear selection.
I love your honesty and no EGO... Great stuff
lol @ 7:11 where Lucas goes on a tirade about how the proper name is “precision shooting”, not “long range shooting”… on a video with “long range shooting” in the title
Lol
Something something clickbait
I don’t get how this is precision shooting but if you fire from 5 yards away it’s somehow not? All shooting is precision shooting imo.
@@TREXARMS Is it clickbait, or did Lucas just fail to communicate what he wanted the video to be about with your editor? Lol
I don't have money for this shit
Get three minutes into the video and he starts talking about that.
3:23 / 5:20
@@ChocolatteDee not US citizen, it's x5 prices for me than your dollar equivalent
@@QKuKier ah, I apologize then
Hey Lucas / T-Rex Arms, we loved this deep dive into precision shooting! Your breakdown of the gear and the training considerations was super insightful. The content is getting a little more educational and more intricate, versus all the action that you did in the past of great athletic prowess, which is great to see, and as a result, we will have to watch it again as now there are a lot more details to try to disentangle and figure out and remember!
It really resonated with us, Ion and Valentin and some colleagues, who are now practising on all the platforms, and thanks to you and recent news from 2015 or so, we now all believe in the importance of responsible firearms ownership and the skills it takes to be truly proficient.
We were inspired by your video that, when seeing this nice bolt action rifle in the video, we quickly wrote an essay about the connection between shooting sports with primary rifles and bolt action Cadex and Canadian identity and the hidden fabric in Canadian society, the 'warrior ethos'!
Canada needs info like this too! In Canada, we all keep telling each other that we don't do American style shooting, only shooting that is as friendly as possible. But this does not seem well aligned with the concept of performance and reality or the future requirements. So we chose to do the essay more like your style, to challenge and push back against people here who want to ruin the quality of training in sports shooting by using fictional philosophical structure, and then to send this essay to our leaders here so that they don't pretend that good logic and authentic philosophical analysis and representation, shouldn't be a Canadian thing.
You can find the essay on our CZcams channel
"The Rifle and the Soul: Why Shooting Sports Are My Lifeline to Canada"
czcams.com/video/6IJqx7cADV4/video.html
We could easily envision you as a guardian in this essay as a video. But a guardian in America, not Canada. We are not so lucky to have shooters like you in Canada, since they worked for a hundred years to stop people from rising to performance athletic standards as they did to Bruce Lee, when they stopped him from advancing the martial arts in China, to prevent their human potentials there as well.. to stop the citizens there as well!
But not in America! In America, people can become better at capabilities! The only place we know can reliably allow this. Not too familiar with many other countries, but seems like this is the way.
Keep up the great work! Keep inspiring! And Educating!
The gun itself is pretty awesome. Talking in depth about your thoughts and the gun itself is much needed to educate people. Thank you
0:50 - Ummmmmm, Someone doesn’t understand the basics of the 2nd Amendment, and needs to go back and read D.C. Vs Heller. Countering tyranny is certainly ONE OF the reasons for the 2A, but Scalia expressly includes protection of family against “bad guys” as another reason. You should take down this video, educate yourself, reshoot it and then upload. Just embarrassing.
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Yep. D.C. vs. Heller's PRIMARY holding was that possessing a firearm was an individual right UNCONNECTED with service in the militia TO INCLUDE defense of "hearth and home."
Not sure how someone who consistently bashes people for not understanding and appreciating the 2A could get it so wrong, but Lucas somehow managed.
@@lytening79 Exactly. The three reasons provided in Heller (with a full recitation of the History of the 2A) are 1) Defense of hearth and home, 2) defense of country from foreign invaders, 3) defense of country against tyrants.
The law challenged in D.C. vs. Heller was one that prohibited/restricted firearms ownership IN THE HOME.
The constitution was born off the back of fighting a tyrannical government. I really doubt he is saying that you cannot defend yourself against individuals and more so expressing the fact of what the constitution was originally intended for since so many people refuse to recognize that.
Except no. The Heller case is added ret-con. The 2A, AS WRITTEN & INTENDED, is 100% about countering an oppression & tyrannical government. So NO the video doesn't need pulled down & changed. YOU need to unfuck yourself.
love these kind of videos
This channel has matured a lot. Great content 🤙
An informed, talented and entertaining presentation and presenter. As a 74 year old Fud, I don't often hand out kudos to youths, but you have well earned them. 😊
Indeed he is a good teacher!
Great channel man , hope you grow more. keep it real
I think it’s great ! You teaching us what you know and passing along knowledge as you learn !
One of the most informative videos I have seen on the topic! This is getting saved an archived. Would enjoy a follow-up vid on this once you get more training and personal experience on the topic.
Thank you for another great video
I recently finished a Daniel Defense build in 6ARC with a Proof carbon fiber barrel. After you shoot the first few boxes to break it in, the accuracy of the barrel is outstanding! Such a great barrel and caliber. Not to mention how light it is. Worth every penny, in my opinion.
Great video man! Very informative. Thanks for taking the time and money to make it.
great educational explanations as always. Very high value for me.
I shoot PRS both center fire and rimfire, for your centerfire guns you should definitely give Area 419 or Masterpiece Arms a look for muzzle breaks they are some of the best on the market and reduce recoil like crazy! Also another great factory ammo offering is Berger ammo I personally shoot the 140g Berger hybrid target out of my custom built 6.5CM and they are insanely accurate out of my rifle!! Long range precision shooting has always been my passion! It was your videos that got me into training with my carbine/handgun a lot more so it’s awesome to see you getting into this kinda stuff!! Awesome videos guys keep it up!
Working on getting my first setup together. This is really helpful!
Lucas, I too got into long range shooting 2 years ago. I’m learning as much as I can through my own trials and tribulations and I’ll tell ya, WOW what a headache this can be. But in all my years of shooting USPSA at a high level I can definitively say there is no greater high than that of cleaning a stage at a PRS match. This year shortly after my wife and I have our 4th child I’ll be attending the mammoth sniper challenge where my shooting partner and I will be using IDENTICAL 308 builds with Nightforce optics. I’ll be carrying the Vortex impact 4000 on mine and we will also have the Sig kilo 10k’s for spotting/ranging. I too have grown to love my Sig kilo 10k’s, the last match I shot I never even took my kestrel out, I simply used my Sig kilo’s for ranging and ballistic solutions and I had great success even on targets as far as 1100 yards away. Great stuff man keep up the content!
Hope you win brotha
I'm excited for a follow up video in a couple years to see how/if your mindset has changed on the topics in this vid
Good video, Lucas. Very humble approach to something critical.
You are 💯 percent correct, sir. We don't have time to wait.
I've only got two things on this too add. Bushnell, yes the budget scope company, makes a line called the Elite Tactical. I have the DMR3, which is 3.5-21 I believe, and it's great for the price. Made with Japanese glass, clear reticle with minimal chromatic apparition, and great for reading mirage at distance. My favorite "budget scope" is still $1500 though but less than an Atacr if you can't swing a Night Force. Also in your video I heard you talking about transonic and subsonic. I may have misunderstood what you were saying, but you said subsonic to transonic. It goes from supersonic, to transonic, to subsonic. My .308 goes transonic at 878 yds in my rifle and subsonic around 1175 yds. Only thing wrong with the video I could find. Keep up the amazing content Lucas. You and T.Rex do the shooting community a favor every time you post!!!
I just bought a Leupold mark 5HD 5x25 for my long range setup. It's been pretty awesome.
To whomever did the lighting and color grade, I see what you're doing, and I appreciate it. Nice work.