I've had mine for about 3 months and I haven't met a car I couldn't smoke. It's not even so much that it's fast, it's just nimble af. Drives like it's on rails. I can take a traffic circle at 40mph. Absolutely love this car.
9:18 MKV Supra pulls away on the front straight like the EN is at a full 🛑 yet with only the front wheels, the EN ended up right back on his tail after a few hard corners. Impressive AF
@@joesisler3411 well yeah the supras definitely much faster on the track then the EN and would take him in the corners as well if he was actually going hard or was a serious driver... But I still think the EN (for the price) is really hard to beat as a practical daily and track toy right out the box Can't really compare a 3.0T Supra to an Elantra N
@@madrx2 yeah if you would have read my last reply, I stated very clearly that a 3.0T GR Supra on the track will pull away from the EN on all parts of any track. But these are two different classes of cars. The Supra 6cyl turbo, is a 2seat dedicated track car that also costs almost 30k more (well equipped) than the four-door Elantra compact sedan. It just so happens they were on the track together so that's why both were discussed. The EN isn't meant to compete with the 382 HP BMYota Supra. Only point that I'm making is the EN is a super high performance compact sedan while being quite practical, roomy, and comfortable DD, coming right out of the box pretty much ready for the track. And it's level of performance customization is far beyond what any car offers until you get up to things like the $90,000 m4 or $100,000 Plus CT5-V. All For about 33k. it is today's ultimate performance bargain. (Well actually the type R is if it was actually attainable and sold at MSRP which neither are the case 99% of the time. Coming from a 2015 mk7 Golf R, I've had it for almost 8 years now and time for a change. If I could get a new Type R at least somewhere near the list price then I would do it, but that won't be happening at any dealer I can think of. Sure the Elantra does not have the refinement or interior materials that my car has, but I never rub my hands along the roof, the surface part of the dash or interior lower part of the door, so if it's made of less than the highest quality of materials, than I'll survive it. However the touch points that I would consistently interact with in the Elantra N are pretty fantastic, including the seats, the steering wheel, shift knob and handbrake. And that massive 10.3 inch instrument cluster with it's interactive graphics looks sick the way it AMGs it's way to the infotainment system making it seem like it's all one unit. I think the design is fantastic while also being super responsive and real user friendly. Especially the N modes. The N division made it so even a 5 year old could figure it out. And finally, the climate controls are very simple knobs and buttons and easy to use as they should be So yeah of course the Supra would would give the N cars a pretty decent whooping on any track, but it's smaller than an RF Miata in that vabin.. or at least it feels like it. Even feels smaller than my old AP1 S2000 in the cabin. You might get better lap times and turn more heads in the Supra No doubt. Saw one on the road yesterday pull up next to me and it is absolutely stunning in person!! Combined with it's blistering performance and you got a true monster. A single guy like me in his mid-30s living in South Florida where the roads are smooth as glass with no potholes, and sticky rubber can be kept on all year round, this would be the place where you'd get yourself a Supra, c8 vette, new Z, or any other very low slung dedicated sports car as we don't have to worry about having a stiff suspension, or tons of road undulations and bumps and cracks in the roads cuz they're all nice n smooth . A sports car enthusiasts Paradise.
I own an Elantra N with the DCT and it's really, really fast! In N mode the shifts from the DCT are an absolute hammer and it corners hard - tests put it right at 1g - and the seats do a great job of keeping you upright! I also haul kids around and commute comfortably getting over 30 mpg. I would say that with the DCT the auto creep is too strong which makes coming to a smooth stop difficult, and you can only turn that off in sport or sport + transmission settings, and you have to turn it off every time you start the car. Beyond that I'm not sure what else to complain about. For a performance daily it's as close to perfect a car as I've ever driven. I can feel the eyerolls now but make no mistake and as the leaderboard shows, this is a serious car. I was very skeptical about a FWD car with this much power and RWD is a blast to be sure but I 100% agree about the behavior when powering out of a corner - it just goes and gathers pace at "I'm going to jail immediately" speeds. Hyundai has created a brilliant car with the Elantra N and having owned one for a while now I can attest that the specialness is always there, it never goes away and you always want to get in it again.
Great review as always. Just wanted to add my personal thoughts on my 2022 Elantra N. 1/4 of my current miles are track miles and I've done around ~10 events this season. The car has been absolutely bulletproof, but beyond that things that are normally accepted to be "required" for track use (pads, fluid) have proven to be perfectly adequate for HPDE4+ levels of track use. I have not yet encountered a scenario that has justified the purchase of track pads, even though it's something I originally budgeted for. It is appearing to be an extremely capable car, and has proven to be very optimized for competition use. I re-broke the SCCA S3 track record at Gingerman this weekend and handedly took home first (granted, only a regional event) beating out a Type R. It's a really great car that keeps on surprising me everyday (in a good way)
Appreciate you sharing this. I'm coming from a tuned Fiesta ST that I could never manage to find a reliable break setup that could last for more than a couple track days (i didn't want to spend a ton on BBK). Love reading the stock EN will reliably brake for more than 10 events. Music to my ears (or eyes).... BTW your bro's channel was one of the primary influences on my decision to buy an EN. Was glad to see how much success you had on your original shakedown video.
My EN is a month old and I've already put 5000km on the odo. Brakes doesn't bite as hard as my old 2017 Civic Sedan which had EBC Yellow stuff (Civic is a lot lighter...which could attribute to better braking performance). I'm considering swapping pads for my first track day and keeping the OEM for dedicated street use. I find at about 160km/hr, it doesn't scrub down the speed as quickly as my old 2700lb Civic (perhaps engine braking from high revving NA engine is reason vs ultimate braking power...)
You may have run a little quicker if you had been running 18 PSI of boost. The car has an octane learning system if you were only getting 15 psi the car was being safe. I haven’t taken the N to the track yet so I can’t compare it against my Type R but it’s very interesting to see this test. I will say even the updated Type R grille helps very little and the R still has the same transmission issues with locking out and gear grinds.
@@psewgobind No, it applies to all of the cars. It makes a huge difference in my EN 6MT. I go from 15psi to 19psi. It is however, very tricky to get it to octane learn. Cruising at 75mph for 10min is often not enough, and it requires consistent throttle atleast 30%
@@lawrencecheung9439 The only way I've been able to get mine to consistently octane learn is to run e30 at 93 octane then run at 85 for 15 minutes. Works every time.. When I run e10 at 91 it's hit or miss.
Exactly, I've seen numerous videos of the Honda civic type R spanking the turbo Hyundai Elantra. There ain't no way, a Hyundai is beating Honda the race pedigree Honda has.
I have an Elantra N and Mark is 100% wrong on the ride quality. Yes it's firmer than a typical car but that's not saying much, it perfectly acceptable as a comfortable ride especially in a car that has this level of performance.
@@tealchief Definitely not a bad thing.. picked up a 987.1 Cayman S this summer for the same money and it's a fantastic driver's car.. mid-engine placement makes it a dream in the corners.. you can be precise or a straight up fool depending on your inputs.. Edit: And this is coming from someone who's owned the following 'Hot Hatches/Sport Compacts': Mazdaspeed 3 (GenPu) Mazdaspeed 6 CRX Si Focus ST Fiesta ST Mk7.5 GTI Mk3 GTI VR6 Civic Type R STI Type RA
@@tealchief 1% failure rate on my model :).. and my car wasn't a garage queen either.. cars with low miles tend to have more IMS issues.. edit: the models with 'intense' IMS issues are the Boxsters and 911s (non-turbo) from 98 - 05.. 06-08 had faaaar less IMS issues and then in 09 they removed the IMS completely for the DFI motor.. But I dig my .1 as it has a throttle cable rather than drive-by-wire system. and no carbon build-up on the valves.. and the redline is more reachable on public roads as 2nd gear is loonnngggg (tops out at 75mph on my .1) also, my car has been with the same owner (2nd owner) for the last 11 years and I have maintenance receipts from the Porsche shop he used (same one for all maintenance) during that time.. It only needs oil changes and tires for the next 50k really..
Only 15psi of boost. Youre do not know about the octane learning for the car, cruise at 120kph for 5-10 min and the car will read the octane rating and unlock the 18-19psi of boost.. it works and is noticable in my Kona N.
and here I thought the type R was the car to beat. I love competition because this just means honda is going back to the drawing board. Without a competitor, Honda wouldn't do anything. Hopefully they got an answer
It's not accurate though. Type R has been faster in official pro track times and amateur races as well. No serious car reviewer would say the Elantra N is a faster track car.
@@dknight25 the fact that the Elantra N is being mentioned in the same conversation as the Type R is why people are shocked. Beyond this video. I've heard the same conversation across many reviewers comparing it to the type R. Impressive considering the history of the Type R and its racing heritage. You got the newcomer matching its performance levels
@@SuperSmoovy The car is mentioned because it is in the same category and Hyundai has publicly stated it competes with the Type R. And there is nothing wrong with that because the Elantra N has brought good performance in this segment and competiton is always welcome. I am simply referring to the idea of a few stating that the EN offers overall higher performance and a superior track car. You can like the car more, but to say that is just not being honest to oneself. Honda set the bar for FWD cars with the FK8 and it is currently the benchmark to beat for competitors. One can only assume the FL5 has improved on the engineering formula to further establish themselves in the FWD segment this generation.
I own a '12 Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-Spec. Bought it brand new a decade ago and I've only had ONE semi-serious issue in all these years. I really hope they're working on a modern sports coupe. I'd buy it in a second based on my experience with my '12 Genesis. The sedans look/perform nice (G70) but I'm just not a sedan guy.
Looks amazing to drive. I personally don’t like the looks much, but I can appreciate it without needing to own one. Too bad the new GTI/Golf R aren’t this good.
@@williamrori1274 Also, the Type R is made for longer tracks, Hyundai has never held a Nurburgring record. The Type R will destroy this and this isn’t even the new one.
@@NBABY-J Yeah for sure. I remember hyundai 5, 10 years ago. You would never consider them as a performance car. I'm consider one of these, but a dct. I been driving a 2008 civic si, for the last ten years lol! So a automatic would be nice
Not doubting the results but Autocars Steve Sutcliffe tested the lighter UK I30N 280 DCT against the Type R and it was a second down a lap on a short test track. The Elantra must be set up differently as he stated the E-diff on the hatch was good but not great. Hats off though the Elantra seems a sorted car from factory.
AND THATS WHY I LOVE IT EVERYTIME AN ELANTRA N PULLS UP TO ME IN MY TYPE R AND THEY ALWAYS GET THAT SURPRISED LOOK ON THEIR FACE WHEN RACING ME LOL. I JUST LOVE IT WHENEVER THEY PULLED UP TO ME AND TRIES TO RACE. I NEVER BACK DOWN SO I GIVE IT. STOCK FOR STOCK THEY GET NO CHANCE. IM ALWAYS WILLING TO GO TOP END SPEED WHENEVER I RACE, COZ TYPE R TECHNICALLY GO ALL THE WAY UP TO 182 MPH STOCK !!!, THERES SOME VIDEO PROOFS OF THAT HERE IN YT. I USUALLY PASS ELANTRA N AROUND 80 TO 100 MPH WHENEVER THEY RACE ME. THEY MUST'VE FORGOTTEN THAT TYPE R HAS ALREADY A PROVEN TRACK RECORD IN NURBUGRING WHILE ELANTRA N DOESN'T LOL, AND THAT RECORD ALONE SAYS A LOT. TYPE R CAME OUT REALLY FAST ALSO IN SUZUKA CIRCUIT. MY COUSIN IS PLANNING TO GET AN ELANTRA N THOUGH, HES DOWN TO RACE ME SO IM EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I WILL DEFINITELY PUT IT ON VIDEO. 😊👊
8-speed DCT EN is faster than all MT cars (~300hp) even in drag. Only Golf R 7-DSG wins ElantraN DCT. Don't waste your money and energy for running slower with other MT cars. In the past, expensive automatic transmission wasted a lot of energy, so there was a reason to use manual transmission. But with DCT, you can drive faster by focusing on handling and braking.
I think on a more power oriented track with more open, flowing corners the FK8 would be too fast for the Elantra N, but at this tight and technical track the e-diff and the stickier/wider tires on the Elantra N are a big advantage of the FK8's Ive tried (I've tested 3 stock FK8R's at this circuit as well as a few modified ones so have a pretty good idea how they work at this circuit).
LOL I never know how to pronounce it. Seems like in different countries they pronounce it differently. The UK presenters seem to go with a more phonetic pronunciation and the Americans go with the Sunday pronunciation. Canadians seem to be somewhere in between, confused by our history and geography as usual.
Totally agree! Great Dad car. I have a 3 kids and own a DCT. All three fit in the back seat like a glove. Was going to go with a SS 1LE, but needed something that would hold the fam and be able to have pace on track.
I'm very aware at how dialed in this thing is on track, but scoring a quicker time then that 17 RS.... Damn! I'll have one with a DCT in obsidian Black metallic since my mk7R is pushing 8 yrs old now
@@kanaricmoot point 99% of buyers aren’t racing their cars where .002 seconds matter a simple tune will make more gains than shedding 120 lbs from a sunroof assembly.
Ya we do need to start promoting it (and posting to it) more. This is going to be the home for our track reviews going forward, since the algorithm (ALL HAIL THE ALGORITHM) doesn't like mixed content on the main channel any more.
@@kohsty Who asked? I didnt ask for your opinion. I never said it was faster then anything. just said it was a great price for the performance. You need to learn how to read dude.
@@shiftdowntv4511 I know itsnt it awesome when someone who you look up to says your purchase was really great as this is my first perfomance sports car!!!
@@codyhook6699 Its becuase people are just toxic. This is my first sports car and people are just haters and toxic, I just move on from them and live my life. I get to drive it every day and enjoy the hell out of it.
If I remember...they made a car called the Hyundai S-coupe n/a and 1.5T. The N/A had like 80hp and the Turbo made 115hp lol. They were Mitsubishi derived. The Excel and its drive train was Mitsubishi's mirage I believe. Hyundai came a long was. But so has everyone else too.
Nice review of this car. Didn't think a Korean car would ever out pace a mustang on a race track by over 1 sec. Still not sold on their reliability past 5 6 years but time will tell.
@@MrBenstero a excel or getz is like a cockroach. it will survive a nuclear blast. aus also has an excel racing league. considering the N will get beat on i think they have been pretty reliable, i used to work at a dealership. no major issues were had.
100% you've seen more old Getz', Excels, and Accents vs old Mustangs. You just never notice them cause they're so cheap and shitboxy. Imo just as reliable as old Toyotas.@@MrBenstero
This car fuel maps stock! If you get good fuel and drive it under certain parameters, peak boost is raised to 19psi. It make a huge difference in power. Look it up
@@speedacademydave I have had my Black DCT since March, its a great daily and a the performance value is incredible. Currently at 9K miles. My dealership offers a "powertrains for life" guarantee, and free oil changes for the life of the vehicle as well. I scooped it up at MSRP before anyone knew what they were. No regrets at all.
I wish you were driving my car which is identical except for it is a DCT car. I have the resonator removed and running a jb4 on E30 fuel along with NGK plugs. it'll run 22-23psi boost throughout the RPM range. the tuner on that car is night and day. it's the funnest car I've ever driven and I've owned a new SS, Veloster N, and have had a few built LS1 cars.
This car is in no way faster than a CTR. I think the EN is a great car and I’m super glad it exists. It’s great for the community and healthy competition. But it’s not faster around a track when driven properly. I hope people don’t think that after watching this.
with the Octane learning .. you get 19 psi.. yes full up the tank and run the car on the freeway for 10 minutes.. in eco mode.. locked at 70miles /h. and walla more boost ..
@@notoymotor4me64 Time to read up instead of going with your emotions. Sc6 a 200tw tire while the ps4s is a 300tw. Ive had both on my ctr. This is the consensus among ctr owners as well but hey, you believe what you want to believe. Doesnt hurt me.
I know it's clickbait, but it gets tiring. Every official track time has Type R considerably ahead. No serious car reviewer has gone on record to say the Elantra N is faster than a Type R. They all say the opposite with an emphasis on refined handling. Even with a DCT it gets beat from a roll. We can only assume the FL5 has a bigger lead as well.
Yes, when actual journalists who literally spend their lives drive it. That doesn't mean a normal person that doesn't have thousands of hours on track will be able to match. And tires matter too. If the N is on Pilot 4 S's and the civic was on something less, that can make a huge difference too.
A wondering mind would like to know...the type R that you beat with the N was wearing Conti's, the N was wearing PS4S. Am I right? If so, how much difference did tire choice affect times? I guess we'll know fairly soon.
Bingo. Great Mosport car, but it's not ideally suited to TMP while the Elantra and it's magical e-diff work wonders around this tight, technical little circuit.
Whoa… crazy to see the pace these cars carry around tracks. I hope Car and Driver include the Elantra in next years Lightning Lap. A 3:06 feels pretty doable.
@@TheFK8Life The ‘20 limited edition ran 3 mins. The ‘18 Type R ran 3:03. Both crazy fast times. That said, I don’t know how much faster the EN will be compared to the VN Performance that ran a 3:07. I tend to believe Will Rori, given his experience on track. At the end of day, it doesn’t matter. The EN ethos arent about track times. I look forward to getting my EN out on track for the first time in a couple weeks :)
I’d honestly recommend grabbing thee updated version of the Honda type R, they retuned the suspension and changed the brakes n opened up the grill more for better cooling, just a thought. Great video nonetheless 👌
Canadians always get that special trim option and different colors - a 6 speed manual with a sunroof?! Red is also only available up there. Great video DP from a Hyundai fanboy driving an Elantra GT Sport
The get heated and ventilated seats, heated steering wheel, heated seats in the rear, adaptive cruise control, rear vents in non US cars. The US got screwed. The Korean version gets everything. I will buy a type R instead.
Me too Dave me too. I'm not sure why people are calling out reliability....Hyundai as a whole has been out doing almost everybody in reliability in all metrics.
Fuck yeah babyyyy!. Hyundai is doing everything that any automotor company should do... L I S T E N to T H E I R market. For the price/performance comparison, should match an used Audi S3.
It's nice and all but does it beat the reliability of a Honda or Toyota? Does it start to break down at 50k miles? Nowadays people focus too much on HP and the 0-60 mph but often lack reliability and endurance in return.
hows the clutch feel? heard some negative reviews about the auto rev the motor gives while taking off from a stop. Not sure if it was just a tough critic or just user error. Great video though! Got mine ordered and it should be here in a couple months!
I didn't notice anything unusual about the clutch or the rev matching feature. All seemed well integrated and totally unobtrusive in its behaviour during my week with the car.
Clutch is the lightest clutches I’ve felt it’s electronic so I don’t see how you complain about an electronic clutch unless you just can’t drive stick as soon as you let the clutch out engine will kick the rpm’s up over 1k helps a lot on hills.
Hey DP, love the channel, long time subscriber and lurker! Just want to let you know that when viewing on my phone (OnePlus 7 Pro), the lap time leaderboard looks small and it is really hard to read the car names and times. Keep up the good work as you guys are my #1 source of info for car modification!
Need wagon version ASAP! (w/zero changes in trim/options, i.e. no diluting like the TSX wagon (of 2011), or Levorg (cvt only))...can the stiff suspension argument also be compared to James May's complaints about great sports being "ruined" because they were tuned for fast Nurburgring times? A fast street car on the track does not always make a comfortable street car on the street. .:R 🏁
I've had mine for about 3 months and I haven't met a car I couldn't smoke. It's not even so much that it's fast, it's just nimble af. Drives like it's on rails. I can take a traffic circle at 40mph. Absolutely love this car.
How can someone hate this
Because they are jealous
9:18 MKV Supra pulls away on the front straight like the EN is at a full 🛑 yet with only the front wheels, the EN ended up right back on his tail after a few hard corners. Impressive AF
Could also tell the supra driver wasn't as good of a driver. He was missing the apex on a few corners and braking more then needed
@@joesisler3411 well yeah the supras definitely much faster on the track then the EN and would take him in the corners as well if he was actually going hard or was a serious driver... But I still think the EN (for the price) is really hard to beat as a practical daily and track toy right out the box
Can't really compare a 3.0T Supra to an Elantra N
Because the bot in the supra can't drive.
@@madrx2 yeah if you would have read my last reply, I stated very clearly that a 3.0T GR Supra on the track will pull away from the EN on all parts of any track.
But these are two different classes of cars. The Supra 6cyl turbo, is a 2seat dedicated track car that also costs almost 30k more (well equipped) than the four-door Elantra compact sedan.
It just so happens they were on the track together so that's why both were discussed.
The EN isn't meant to compete with the 382 HP BMYota Supra.
Only point that I'm making is the EN is a super high performance compact sedan while being quite practical, roomy, and comfortable DD, coming right out of the box pretty much ready for the track. And it's level of performance customization is far beyond what any car offers until you get up to things like the $90,000 m4 or $100,000 Plus CT5-V.
All For about 33k. it is today's ultimate performance bargain.
(Well actually the type R is if it was actually attainable and sold at MSRP which neither are the case 99% of the time.
Coming from a 2015 mk7 Golf R, I've had it for almost 8 years now and time for a change. If I could get a new Type R at least somewhere near the list price then I would do it, but that won't be happening at any dealer I can think of.
Sure the Elantra does not have the refinement or interior materials that my car has, but I never rub my hands along the roof, the surface part of the dash or interior lower part of the door, so if it's made of less than the highest quality of materials, than I'll survive it.
However the touch points that I would consistently interact with in the Elantra N are pretty fantastic, including the seats, the steering wheel, shift knob and handbrake. And that massive 10.3 inch instrument cluster with it's interactive graphics looks sick the way it AMGs it's way to the infotainment system making it seem like it's all one unit.
I think the design is fantastic while also being super responsive and real user friendly. Especially the N modes.
The N division made it so even a 5 year old could figure it out. And finally, the climate controls are very simple knobs and buttons and easy to use as they should be
So yeah of course the Supra would would give the N cars a pretty decent whooping on any track, but it's smaller than an RF Miata in that vabin.. or at least it feels like it.
Even feels smaller than my old AP1 S2000 in the cabin.
You might get better lap times and turn more heads in the Supra No doubt.
Saw one on the road yesterday pull up next to me and it is absolutely stunning in person!! Combined with it's blistering performance and you got a true monster.
A single guy like me in his mid-30s living in South Florida where the roads are smooth as glass with no potholes, and sticky rubber can be kept on all year round, this would be the place where you'd get yourself a Supra, c8 vette, new Z, or any other very low slung dedicated sports car as we don't have to worry about having a stiff suspension, or tons of road undulations and bumps and cracks in the roads cuz they're all nice n smooth . A sports car enthusiasts Paradise.
@@Daveyboy_GolfR Dude, you have WAY too much free time if you're writing that novel in a CZcams comment
Wonderful car, but absolute horse shit dealerships. Show up interested in an N car and they act like you're looking for a 918 spyder.
And don't even mention the replacement parts. INSANELY expensive parts.
Same problem we had with our 2018 Stinger GT, dealers treated it like a $5,000 throwaway car. They also tried to mark up the price $10k over MSRP
@@dancarlos1216 Um, it is a $5,000 throwaway car.
@@bigmacdaddy1234 You probably drive a Dodge Neon SXT
I own an Elantra N with the DCT and it's really, really fast! In N mode the shifts from the DCT are an absolute hammer and it corners hard - tests put it right at 1g - and the seats do a great job of keeping you upright! I also haul kids around and commute comfortably getting over 30 mpg. I would say that with the DCT the auto creep is too strong which makes coming to a smooth stop difficult, and you can only turn that off in sport or sport + transmission settings, and you have to turn it off every time you start the car. Beyond that I'm not sure what else to complain about. For a performance daily it's as close to perfect a car as I've ever driven. I can feel the eyerolls now but make no mistake and as the leaderboard shows, this is a serious car.
I was very skeptical about a FWD car with this much power and RWD is a blast to be sure but I 100% agree about the behavior when powering out of a corner - it just goes and gathers pace at "I'm going to jail immediately" speeds. Hyundai has created a brilliant car with the Elantra N and having owned one for a while now I can attest that the specialness is always there, it never goes away and you always want to get in it again.
You can turn auto-creep off in the settings menu under vehicle IIRC.
I love hearing good things about these
Your Elantra N is garbage! Wait for one year and your car will end up in garbage!😆🤣😆🤣🥴 good luck!
@@type-r609 what?
@@type-r609 Calm down Type Rice
Great review as always. Just wanted to add my personal thoughts on my 2022 Elantra N. 1/4 of my current miles are track miles and I've done around ~10 events this season. The car has been absolutely bulletproof, but beyond that things that are normally accepted to be "required" for track use (pads, fluid) have proven to be perfectly adequate for HPDE4+ levels of track use. I have not yet encountered a scenario that has justified the purchase of track pads, even though it's something I originally budgeted for. It is appearing to be an extremely capable car, and has proven to be very optimized for competition use. I re-broke the SCCA S3 track record at Gingerman this weekend and handedly took home first (granted, only a regional event) beating out a Type R. It's a really great car that keeps on surprising me everyday (in a good way)
Appreciate you sharing this. I'm coming from a tuned Fiesta ST that I could never manage to find a reliable break setup that could last for more than a couple track days (i didn't want to spend a ton on BBK). Love reading the stock EN will reliably brake for more than 10 events. Music to my ears (or eyes).... BTW your bro's channel was one of the primary influences on my decision to buy an EN. Was glad to see how much success you had on your original shakedown video.
Dang so after that many events original pads, fluid, and even tires?? That good eh?
@@shortroundChris Yes heard multiple accounts same story
My EN is a month old and I've already put 5000km on the odo. Brakes doesn't bite as hard as my old 2017 Civic Sedan which had EBC Yellow stuff (Civic is a lot lighter...which could attribute to better braking performance). I'm considering swapping pads for my first track day and keeping the OEM for dedicated street use. I find at about 160km/hr, it doesn't scrub down the speed as quickly as my old 2700lb Civic (perhaps engine braking from high revving NA engine is reason vs ultimate braking power...)
You may have run a little quicker if you had been running 18 PSI of boost. The car has an octane learning system if you were only getting 15 psi the car was being safe. I haven’t taken the N to the track yet so I can’t compare it against my Type R but it’s very interesting to see this test. I will say even the updated Type R grille helps very little and the R still has the same transmission issues with locking out and gear grinds.
I think the octane learning trick only applies to the automatic version.
@@psewgobind No, it applies to all of the cars. It makes a huge difference in my EN 6MT. I go from 15psi to 19psi. It is however, very tricky to get it to octane learn. Cruising at 75mph for 10min is often not enough, and it requires consistent throttle atleast 30%
@@lawrencecheung9439 The only way I've been able to get mine to consistently octane learn is to run e30 at 93 octane then run at 85 for 15 minutes. Works every time.. When I run e10 at 91 it's hit or miss.
Love these track test videos. More please!
Yep the 2022 Elantra N won the 24hrs of the Nürburgring Nordschleife three times!! Beating all challengers.
Only by racing this car up against the Type R at the Nuerburgring will the title of the video be able to convince me.
Exactly, I've seen numerous videos of the Honda civic type R spanking the turbo Hyundai Elantra. There ain't no way, a Hyundai is beating Honda the race pedigree Honda has.
This guy is not the be-all-end-all. Take him with a grain of salt. There will be plenty of track comparisons in the future.
True, the Type R already destroyed the Veloster N at the track, and I'd be shocked if the Elantra did much better.
Type R > Type N Hahaha
You realize Hyundai has headquarters right next to the Nurburgring
LMAO at the jab to Mark 🤣🤣🤣, maybe he is getting way to comfy in his high end cars or his body was way too beat up by his Ariel Atom
I have an Elantra N and Mark is 100% wrong on the ride quality. Yes it's firmer than a typical car but that's not saying much, it perfectly acceptable as a comfortable ride especially in a car that has this level of performance.
@@natemoothart6967 too many BMW and Porsches.
@@tealchief Definitely not a bad thing.. picked up a 987.1 Cayman S this summer for the same money and it's a fantastic driver's car.. mid-engine placement makes it a dream in the corners.. you can be precise or a straight up fool depending on your inputs..
Edit: And this is coming from someone who's owned the following 'Hot Hatches/Sport Compacts':
Mazdaspeed 3 (GenPu)
Mazdaspeed 6
CRX Si
Focus ST
Fiesta ST
Mk7.5 GTI
Mk3 GTI VR6
Civic Type R
STI Type RA
@@dre32pitt IMS intensifies
@@tealchief 1% failure rate on my model :).. and my car wasn't a garage queen either.. cars with low miles tend to have more IMS issues..
edit: the models with 'intense' IMS issues are the Boxsters and 911s (non-turbo) from 98 - 05.. 06-08 had faaaar less IMS issues and then in 09 they removed the IMS completely for the DFI motor.. But I dig my .1 as it has a throttle cable rather than drive-by-wire system. and no carbon build-up on the valves.. and the redline is more reachable on public roads as 2nd gear is loonnngggg (tops out at 75mph on my .1)
also, my car has been with the same owner (2nd owner) for the last 11 years and I have maintenance receipts from the Porsche shop he used (same one for all maintenance) during that time.. It only needs oil changes and tires for the next 50k really..
Only 15psi of boost. Youre do not know about the octane learning for the car, cruise at 120kph for 5-10 min and the car will read the octane rating and unlock the 18-19psi of boost.. it works and is noticable in my Kona N.
Nice to see some track content again!
So faster and better cooling than a stock civic type R?! That’s insane
100% crazy
and here I thought the type R was the car to beat. I love competition because this just means honda is going back to the drawing board. Without a competitor, Honda wouldn't do anything. Hopefully they got an answer
It's not accurate though. Type R has been faster in official pro track times and amateur races as well. No serious car reviewer would say the Elantra N is a faster track car.
@@dknight25 the fact that the Elantra N is being mentioned in the same conversation as the Type R is why people are shocked. Beyond this video. I've heard the same conversation across many reviewers comparing it to the type R. Impressive considering the history of the Type R and its racing heritage. You got the newcomer matching its performance levels
@@SuperSmoovy The car is mentioned because it is in the same category and Hyundai has publicly stated it competes with the Type R. And there is nothing wrong with that because the Elantra N has brought good performance in this segment and competiton is always welcome.
I am simply referring to the idea of a few stating that the EN offers overall higher performance and a superior track car. You can like the car more, but to say that is just not being honest to oneself. Honda set the bar for FWD cars with the FK8 and it is currently the benchmark to beat for competitors. One can only assume the FL5 has improved on the engineering formula to further establish themselves in the FWD segment this generation.
that supra guy is gonna cry himself to sleep tonight lmao
Nah, lol.... He'll be just fine. Lol..A Hyundai is a Hyundai no matter what they do to it
@@Riley1524 screen name checks out. Chad take
@@ramanmonkey absolutely!!
@@ramanmonkey 🤣
That was Mark in the C7 at full tilt. DCT would most likely improve this lap time, even more impressive.
Nice! I've been really excited about everything Hyundai has been releasing lately. They are really coming in strong lately.
I own a '12 Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-Spec. Bought it brand new a decade ago and I've only had ONE semi-serious issue in all these years. I really hope they're working on a modern sports coupe. I'd buy it in a second based on my experience with my '12 Genesis. The sedans look/perform nice (G70) but I'm just not a sedan guy.
Looks amazing to drive. I personally don’t like the looks much, but I can appreciate it without needing to own one. Too bad the new GTI/Golf R aren’t this good.
They look way better in person!
I feel bad for him. He was only getting about 15psi which he should be getting about 18-20psi at peak. He missed out on so much more
dude just called out savagegeese hahaha
How did I not kno about this second channel🤦♂️
I feel like I'm watching a commercial for Hyundai... until the Elantra puts a time down or the Nürburgring I'm not convinced
They are paying them that's why
The Nürburgring times are dumb and meaningless. There's literally no track comparable in North America.
I think the Elantra was on stickier tires but the new Type R is coming and will destroy it.
@@limitedreach4446 It's not. Both OE tires score absolutely neck and neck in dry performance during tireracks instrumented testing.
@@williamrori1274 Also, the Type R is made for longer tracks, Hyundai has never held a Nurburgring record. The Type R will destroy this and this isn’t even the new one.
What a review!! Can't ask for more seeing it on the track and fantastic EN!!
That mark 5 supra needs the driver mod lol
Track content is what made me love SP I wish we got more
Wow there's a lot of hate in these comments. You can't argue, this car is a great enthusiast option... be grateful for that.
Yup! I so agree with you. Especially at that price point
@@NBABY-J Yeah for sure. I remember hyundai 5, 10 years ago. You would never consider them as a performance car. I'm consider one of these, but a dct. I been driving a 2008 civic si, for the last ten years lol! So a automatic would be nice
@@NBABY-J Yeah I have seen one in that color. Looks very good, I would get that performance blue
Not doubting the results but Autocars Steve Sutcliffe tested the lighter UK I30N 280 DCT against the Type R and it was a second down a lap on a short test track. The Elantra must be set up differently as he stated the E-diff on the hatch was good but not great. Hats off though the Elantra seems a sorted car from factory.
AND THATS WHY I LOVE IT EVERYTIME AN ELANTRA N PULLS UP TO ME IN MY TYPE R AND THEY ALWAYS GET THAT SURPRISED LOOK ON THEIR FACE WHEN RACING ME LOL. I JUST LOVE IT WHENEVER THEY PULLED UP TO ME AND TRIES TO RACE. I NEVER BACK DOWN SO I GIVE IT. STOCK FOR STOCK THEY GET NO CHANCE. IM ALWAYS WILLING TO GO TOP END SPEED WHENEVER I RACE, COZ TYPE R TECHNICALLY GO ALL THE WAY UP TO 182 MPH STOCK !!!, THERES SOME VIDEO PROOFS OF THAT HERE IN YT. I USUALLY PASS ELANTRA N AROUND 80 TO 100 MPH WHENEVER THEY RACE ME. THEY MUST'VE FORGOTTEN THAT TYPE R HAS ALREADY A PROVEN TRACK RECORD IN NURBUGRING WHILE ELANTRA N DOESN'T LOL, AND THAT RECORD ALONE SAYS A LOT. TYPE R CAME OUT REALLY FAST ALSO IN SUZUKA CIRCUIT. MY COUSIN IS PLANNING TO GET AN ELANTRA N THOUGH, HES DOWN TO RACE ME SO IM EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I WILL DEFINITELY PUT IT ON VIDEO. 😊👊
If you’re referring to the UK i30N Hatch, that has Pirelli’s on it compared to the much better Michelin’s on the Elantra
@@cooper9777 the i30N is much slower than the elantra n. Engine is re calibrated and bigger turbo
@@cooleye8887 bullshit. A dct elantra N would walk you everytime
Would pick the N for performance but if you want something that holds it’s value and resell down the line the type R is the way to go.
I’d bet my ass both hood value . I think people haven’t realized that the N is just plain out the better car lol
if you do octane learning right before the turbo kicks up to about 19psi.
It's legit drive the 8SP DCT! I love my car!
8-speed DCT EN is faster than all MT cars (~300hp) even in drag. Only Golf R 7-DSG wins ElantraN DCT. Don't waste your money and energy for running slower with other MT cars.
In the past, expensive automatic transmission wasted a lot of energy, so there was a reason to use manual transmission. But with DCT, you can drive faster by focusing on handling and braking.
lol, in my experience at the track FK8's walk all over Veloster's and Elantra N's. They can't hang with the FK8's or MK5's at the track.
I think on a more power oriented track with more open, flowing corners the FK8 would be too fast for the Elantra N, but at this tight and technical track the e-diff and the stickier/wider tires on the Elantra N are a big advantage of the FK8's Ive tried (I've tested 3 stock FK8R's at this circuit as well as a few modified ones so have a pretty good idea how they work at this circuit).
Yea… this track isn’t the greatest.
When you said to stiff I thought of mark right away 🤣
nice video looks like the e/n is a lot of fun on the track. one suggestion i would have is to pronounce hyundai so that it rhymes with sunday
LOL I never know how to pronounce it. Seems like in different countries they pronounce it differently. The UK presenters seem to go with a more phonetic pronunciation and the Americans go with the Sunday pronunciation. Canadians seem to be somewhere in between, confused by our history and geography as usual.
This seems like a great Dad Car. Hmmm, I am a dad. Great review!
Totally agree! Great Dad car. I have a 3 kids and own a DCT. All three fit in the back seat like a glove. Was going to go with a SS 1LE, but needed something that would hold the fam and be able to have pace on track.
Am Dad, have Elantra N, can confirm great dad car!
I'm very aware at how dialed in this thing is on track, but scoring a quicker time then that 17 RS.... Damn! I'll have one with a DCT in obsidian Black metallic since my mk7R is pushing 8 yrs old now
Glad to see some more content on this channel!
Sucks we can’t get the sunroof on the manual models here in the US they are only available on the dct.
sunroof = more weight = less performance, also they are for manlets. Tall people hate sunroofs.
@@kanaricmoot point 99% of buyers aren’t racing their cars where .002 seconds matter a simple tune will make more gains than shedding 120 lbs from a sunroof assembly.
You need to promote this channel a bit on the main. I didn't know about it until your FB post today!
Ya we do need to start promoting it (and posting to it) more. This is going to be the home for our track reviews going forward, since the algorithm (ALL HAIL THE ALGORITHM) doesn't like mixed content on the main channel any more.
Nice driving on track , great car. I have a i30N Hatch and have completed 30 Track days in it , just love it.
Jorts and New Balance shoes lmao
I love every sec of mine. It’s crazy how fast this car turns into a family car always. Win win all around.
haha its so funny and weird seeing my friends and I in a video
FINALLY!!!! I have been waiting for you guys to test one of these cars. I own one of these cars. The best track car for the price.
It's always nice to see the car you own doing well and being praised for a track day!
@@kohsty Who asked? I didnt ask for your opinion. I never said it was faster then anything. just said it was a great price for the performance. You need to learn how to read dude.
@@shiftdowntv4511 I know itsnt it awesome when someone who you look up to says your purchase was really great as this is my first perfomance sports car!!!
lmao i called it a track car on tiktok and i got so much shit for it people just don’t like to admit that these cars are insane
@@codyhook6699 Its becuase people are just toxic. This is my first sports car and people are just haters and toxic, I just move on from them and live my life. I get to drive it every day and enjoy the hell out of it.
I have met two of this Elantras on the Dragon two weeks ago. One black other like this one. They were quick.
I have an EN dct. I wonder what his time woulda been with the dct EN.. 🤔
Same and same!
Gotta think the DCT would be another half second faster or more. I'm not a super fast/aggressive shifter with a manual.
If I remember...they made a car called the Hyundai S-coupe n/a and 1.5T. The N/A had like 80hp and the Turbo made 115hp lol. They were Mitsubishi derived. The Excel and its drive train was Mitsubishi's mirage I believe.
Hyundai came a long was. But so has everyone else too.
Nice review of this car. Didn't think a Korean car would ever out pace a mustang on a race track by over 1 sec. Still not sold on their reliability past 5 6 years but time will tell.
Like Mustangs are reliable. Lol.
@@JohnLee-db9zt I see a lot more 20 year old mustangs around than Hyundais, don't you?
@@MrBenstero a excel or getz is like a cockroach. it will survive a nuclear blast. aus also has an excel racing league.
considering the N will get beat on i think they have been pretty reliable, i used to work at a dealership. no major issues were had.
100% you've seen more old Getz', Excels, and Accents vs old Mustangs. You just never notice them cause they're so cheap and shitboxy. Imo just as reliable as old Toyotas.@@MrBenstero
This car fuel maps stock! If you get good fuel and drive it under certain parameters, peak boost is raised to 19psi. It make a huge difference in power. Look it up
Funny you mention it, I have been researching ECU tuning on these cars and the power potential is certainly there!
@@speedacademydave I have had my Black DCT since March, its a great daily and a the performance value is incredible. Currently at 9K miles. My dealership offers a "powertrains for life" guarantee, and free oil changes for the life of the vehicle as well. I scooped it up at MSRP before anyone knew what they were. No regrets at all.
@@raymondrudy1831 Very nice deal I think they will be very wanted in the long term. There very difficult to get now too.
I wish you were driving my car which is identical except for it is a DCT car. I have the resonator removed and running a jb4 on E30 fuel along with NGK plugs. it'll run 22-23psi boost throughout the RPM range. the tuner on that car is night and day. it's the funnest car I've ever driven and I've owned a new SS, Veloster N, and have had a few built LS1 cars.
If we were cars, SavageGeese would be the teachers we would dread to have!!!
@ Dave - what kind of helmet are you using for track use? Love the videos - keep up the great work!
a hand brake, such a rare sight in today cars
I'm waiting for the Manuals to drop below 30k before I get one. So far looks like a lot of fun!
This car is in no way faster than a CTR. I think the EN is a great car and I’m super glad it exists. It’s great for the community and healthy competition. But it’s not faster around a track when driven properly. I hope people don’t think that after watching this.
It's tiring seeing these clickbait videos. It's obvious this isn't faster than a CTR.
EN is faster then Type-R at TMP. Dynamics in EN is better for the tighter turns which is common for a smaller track.
Hope the engine stays together better than non N Hyundais
with the Octane learning .. you get 19 psi.. yes full up the tank and run the car on the freeway for 10 minutes.. in eco mode.. locked at 70miles /h. and walla more boost ..
keep in mind the veloster N does not come with michelin pilot 4s tires !! Could that be the reason for the track time difference?
That car has a face only a mother could love
Can anyone tell me if the audio is in fact coming from that external mic from the GoPro on his helmate?
Stock honda type r is on conti sport, ps4s is in a differente level of grip 😉
You said it first. Kudos.😴
You're not wrong, the PS4S is the stickier tire and that does help explain some of the performance difference at this track.
The stock continental sc6 from a CTR is grippier than ps4s
@@H8HotWeather NOT.🤣
@@notoymotor4me64 Time to read up instead of going with your emotions. Sc6 a 200tw tire while the ps4s is a 300tw. Ive had both on my ctr. This is the consensus among ctr owners as well but hey, you believe what you want to believe. Doesnt hurt me.
I still don't understand why they offer a sunroof on the manual in Canada but not in the US. So messed up.
DCT or Manual?
Awesome review!
Nice driving. The Supra, fast in the straights but slow in the corners.
Amazing vid. Keep these coming.
Wow Elantra N, a Supra & Corvette passer?! Wanna see you guys drive when they produce the Hyundai Vision 76 for general public
I think that’s down to the drivers… not the cars 🤣
Lol... Thanks for the laughs
I know it's clickbait, but it gets tiring. Every official track time has Type R considerably ahead. No serious car reviewer has gone on record to say the Elantra N is faster than a Type R. They all say the opposite with an emphasis on refined handling. Even with a DCT it gets beat from a roll. We can only assume the FL5 has a bigger lead as well.
Yes, when actual journalists who literally spend their lives drive it. That doesn't mean a normal person that doesn't have thousands of hours on track will be able to match. And tires matter too. If the N is on Pilot 4 S's and the civic was on something less, that can make a huge difference too.
Type R > Type N Hahaha
@@JCizzleSoCal type R is slightly better on track than the N for $30k more. The N is faster 0-60, sounds better and is still more fun to drive.
Most car journalists are trash drivers, only a handful are actually good drivers with decent seat time at the track.
Exactly, these wankers even tried to diss Mark from Savagegeese smh🙄🚮
Oooh sick burn on Mark! LMAO
thats a quick time, especially for those tires.
Great video. I love my EN. Best daily driver Ive owned. Fun and comfortable.
A wondering mind would like to know...the type R that you beat with the N was wearing Conti's, the N was wearing PS4S. Am I right? If so, how much difference did tire choice affect times? I guess we'll know fairly soon.
Yeah was saying the same thing.
I’m so impressed with this car. If I was in the market for a new car, I would seriously look at this.
Is this on stock brake pads and fluid?
missed these, glad to see the track videos back! will have to check out the elantra sometime, that's high praise!
IMO the FK8 is a bit too focused on high speed stability.
$50k vs $31k it's a no brainer. You could literally get a new base BRZ and Elantra N instead 🤣
Bingo. Great Mosport car, but it's not ideally suited to TMP while the Elantra and it's magical e-diff work wonders around this tight, technical little circuit.
Whoa… crazy to see the pace these cars carry around tracks. I hope Car and Driver include the Elantra in next years Lightning Lap. A 3:06 feels pretty doable.
It'll go faster than that IMHO :)
@@williamrori1274 that would be pretty rad. anything below 3:05 at VIR is pretty impressive - Within reach of the FWD fastest lap.
@@jasonwilde2721 Civic Type R already ran a 3:00:6 - tied the 2006 Ford GT exotic
@@TheFK8Life The ‘20 limited edition ran 3 mins. The ‘18 Type R ran 3:03. Both crazy fast times. That said, I don’t know how much faster the EN will be compared to the VN Performance that ran a 3:07. I tend to believe Will Rori, given his experience on track. At the end of day, it doesn’t matter. The EN ethos arent about track times. I look forward to getting my EN out on track for the first time in a couple weeks :)
Imo, the front bumper is missing something
Yea the way the grill goes out to headlights is to weird
You need to put a Jb4 tune on there with the hks spark plugs. And then put a cold air intake and a bov and you should be set
I’d honestly recommend grabbing thee updated version of the Honda type R, they retuned the suspension and changed the brakes n opened up the grill more for better cooling, just a thought. Great video nonetheless 👌
Bro by the refresh of this car its going to be sick
Brakes
'' Brakes'' goddammit
Or just get a GR Supra and have more fun for the same price.
@@CTF33 it’s 15k+ more and super small, nah … have a kid 👦
Man I'm loving this elantra N more and more every time I see a new video
Test drove one in spring and it was a blast to drive and actually pretty darn fast! I currently drive a 2019 Mustang GT.
Looks like someone missed the octane learning 🤣
He could of had 19 psi lol
This is the EN review I’ve been waiting for! Seeing you run great times and having a great time while doing it speaks volumes for this car.
Wish US got a sunroof with the manual.
🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁What does this do at Nürburgring?
The glasses DP, give us a link to the glasses DP........ 🤩
Canadians always get that special trim option and different colors - a 6 speed manual with a sunroof?! Red is also only available up there. Great video DP from a Hyundai fanboy driving an Elantra GT Sport
Korea too they have the good Canadian stuff and heated steering wheel and rear seats.
The get heated and ventilated seats, heated steering wheel, heated seats in the rear, adaptive cruise control, rear vents in non US cars. The US got screwed. The Korean version gets everything. I will buy a type R instead.
Me too Dave me too.
I'm not sure why people are calling out reliability....Hyundai as a whole has been out doing almost everybody in reliability in all metrics.
They have a lawsuit right now for engine failure lol. But I do like Hyundai. Use to be a tech there
Faster than Type R ? No .
Sounds better than Type R as stock ? Yes
Fuck yeah babyyyy!.
Hyundai is doing everything that any automotor company should do... L I S T E N to T H E I R market.
For the price/performance comparison, should match an used Audi S3.
Sadly the dealership experience completely ruins it.
@@descendinggod9740 I can't relate to that, sadly here in Chile there's no "dealership experience" at all beyond getting to the store and buy the car.
It's nice and all but does it beat the reliability of a Honda or Toyota? Does it start to break down at 50k miles? Nowadays people focus too much on HP and the 0-60 mph but often lack reliability and endurance in return.
I gap type Rs in my Elantra ALL fkn day
hows the clutch feel? heard some negative reviews about the auto rev the motor gives while taking off from a stop. Not sure if it was just a tough critic or just user error. Great video though! Got mine ordered and it should be here in a couple months!
That was just bullshit from someone who probably is a manual rookie. I own one 6 spd no issue whatsoever.
I didn't notice anything unusual about the clutch or the rev matching feature. All seemed well integrated and totally unobtrusive in its behaviour during my week with the car.
Clutch is the lightest clutches I’ve felt it’s electronic so I don’t see how you complain about an electronic clutch unless you just can’t drive stick as soon as you let the clutch out engine will kick the rpm’s up over 1k helps a lot on hills.
its pretty tricky at first because its so light but you get used to it eventually
It's a good clutch. One of the best manual cars in general.
save you some time and honestly skip the cluster cam. I find the helmet one sufficient, but then again i'm not on mobile.
Curious if the GR Corolla will keep up in the future?
The Korean Civic knockoff that could
This is the flattest elevation track I have ever seen
Literally no hills
Hey DP, love the channel, long time subscriber and lurker! Just want to let you know that when viewing on my phone (OnePlus 7 Pro), the lap time leaderboard looks small and it is really hard to read the car names and times.
Keep up the good work as you guys are my #1 source of info for car modification!
I will stick with Honda.
Cool story bro. Duces.
@@AlexGtheDon Shortest story ever. Peace.
@@ras6016 Facts.
Need wagon version ASAP! (w/zero changes in trim/options, i.e. no diluting like the TSX wagon (of 2011), or Levorg (cvt only))...can the stiff suspension argument also be compared to James May's complaints about great sports being "ruined" because they were tuned for fast Nurburgring times? A fast street car on the track does not always make a comfortable street car on the street. .:R 🏁
I guess the Veloster N could be considered a wagon? 😆 Although I believe they are phasing our the Veloster as of next year.