Accurascale's New Manor Class | Better than Dapol's? | Unboxing & Review

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    0:00 Intro
    3:23 Unboxing
    9:57 Prototype Info
    10:53 Dapol vs. Accurascale
    14:02 Detail
    19:59 Mechanism
    25:14 Performance
    29:10 Haulage
    35:03 Ratings
    39:07 Conclusion
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Komentáře • 320

  • @jeffreysmith156
    @jeffreysmith156 Před 10 měsíci +41

    I prefer not slowing down on corners to the ability to crawl. In one way it is good that the two models each have their advantages.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 10 měsíci +7

      Yeah that’s fair - it’s certainly a nice change to have this maintain a good constant speed all the way around!

  • @1471SirFrederickBanbury
    @1471SirFrederickBanbury Před 10 měsíci +40

    Beautiful, accurate green on that fabulous looking locomotive! Hornby should take notes on their paints!

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 10 měsíci +7

      Yeah definitely - the green looks awesome doesn't it? :D
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

    • @speleokeir
      @speleokeir Před 10 měsíci +2

      The finish on the Thompson A2s that came out a couple of years ago was dreadful and looked washed out.
      However to be fair, I think their their most recent models are much better in that regard. The 9fs and new P2s have a lovely satin finish. so they do seem to have worked on that.

    • @TIMMEH19991
      @TIMMEH19991 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Hornby are just hopeless at BR green! They used to be able to do it 40 plus years ago though!

  • @Secr_productions
    @Secr_productions Před 10 měsíci +38

    "Hit the ground running" is a understatement

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 10 měsíci +10

      hahaha for a first steamer this is incredible!
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

    • @Secr_productions
      @Secr_productions Před 9 měsíci

      It's fine being doing it for 6 years you were my first channel I subscribed to keep the good stuff up

  • @chrisbaines6931
    @chrisbaines6931 Před 10 měsíci +19

    Good review Sam, I have a 7802 and I think it's the best model in my collection by far. The boiler on the dapol manor looks wrong to me, the taper on the barrel is way to extreme plus the polished safety valve bonet is OK but it's too shiny for a working loco. As an engineman on a heritage railway with 3 manors I think the fire effect is just right, fires get white hot when worked hard so an orange/yellow glow would be inaccurate for an engine working hard.i like the chunky rivets (most of them are domehead bolts) they seem right to me. I agree 100% about the coal load, that is pretty w**k. That's not just an accurascale issue, no manufacturer gets that right, I always remove the plastic coal and add real coal. The removal of the coal wasn't straight forward but wasn't that hard.
    Never bothered with the dapol manor as the 43xx had quite a few detail issues. I'm glad I went with the accurascale manor.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 10 měsíci +2

      That's great to hear Chris - they certainly are wonderful indeed, good stuff about the firebox lighting then! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the Dapol manor too.
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

    • @M_ADAXsRailway
      @M_ADAXsRailway Před 8 měsíci

      I agree on the dapol one- it looks too toy like - saying that all i can afford ate the mainline ones! 😂

  • @adamrushton1740
    @adamrushton1740 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Good Choice for Choosing 7812 Erlestoke Manor👍. 7812 Erlestoke Manor is preserved at the Severn Valley Railway and is currently operational.
    This is the first SVR loco in your Collection.

  • @michaelallen2063
    @michaelallen2063 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Aesthetically, that is the first RTR OO loco i've ever seen that actually looks like the full size thing. I've always felt manufacturers have never captured the colour and finish of the real things. This has definitely improved in recent years as finishes have moved more towards 'satin' than 'eggshell', and colour has gained greater saturation, but this is incredible. The different finishes (eg matte smokebox) add all of these textures that trick the eye. Couple this to the incredible separate detail, and the driving wheels/con rods that finally look better than Triang managed in the 50s, and I think you've got the most convincing looking RTR OO loco so far!

    • @alness1289
      @alness1289 Před 8 měsíci

      So visible glue and hard to fit DCC and huge lumps of coal are ok. !!!!!!!!

    • @michaelallen2063
      @michaelallen2063 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@alness1289I forgot the internet only permits eye-bulging praise or spleen-rupturing disdain.
      "gLuE aNd iNSuffICIenTlY pRoPoRtiOneD CoAL. iT's aN aBoMiNaTIon. a PLaGuE oN aLL WhO EVeN LoOkEd aT iT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
      Does that redress the balance?

  • @AndrewMurray-xz6hq
    @AndrewMurray-xz6hq Před 10 měsíci +3

    Another superb review. I have just received the DCC-fitted version of this Manor, so early days yet with my experience. However, the slow-running performance of mine is much better than the example you have reviewed, and I have no problems crawling it very slowly.

  • @rwjenkins
    @rwjenkins Před 10 měsíci +15

    I have 7801 in the DCC/sound version. With DCC/sound the firebox glow goes on and off with the coal shoveling sound, and intermittently while running, which I thought was a cool feature. The brightness of it is quite realistic, but I can see how it might seem a bit much when it's on all the time running on DC. On a real one you would only really see the firebox glow when the fireman is shoveling coal or tending the fire, and otherwise the door would be closed most of the time.

    • @womble1981
      @womble1981 Před 10 měsíci +1

      I’ve been wondering about the door being open. On a real locomotive that would be unbearable for the footplate crew and also inefficient. Do all models have the door open now? Maybe it makes no sense.

    • @mccarronfamily
      @mccarronfamily Před 9 měsíci

      The door is actually posable, but the firebox lighting goes off, giving the impression the door has closed @@womble1981

    • @shanghai264359
      @shanghai264359 Před 2 měsíci

      Absolutely right about the firebox glow!

  • @davidbugler4597
    @davidbugler4597 Před 10 měsíci +6

    13.10 Dapol's coal load looks like a mass of slack, whereas the Accurascale coal looks more like actual lumps. While it's true that in BR days steam locos had to contend with a lot of slack, this always led to poor steaming and inefficient coal consumption, since GWR loco fireboxes were designed to burn big-lump Welsh steam coal. So Dapol's tender is not necessarily inaccurate, but you'd need to fit crewmen who clearly look pretty desperate as they try to keep their loco running at all, let alone managing to haul a train.
    Smokeboxes were painted in the same way as boilers, including a couple of coats of gloss varnish. However the constant high heat -- caused by the firebox gases -- tended to burn off the varnish pretty quickly. So a loco straight out of the shops would have the same gloss finish as the boiler, but in service it would go completely matt in a matter of months, and stay that way until its next main service/repainting. The boilers and fireboxes were of course insulated by their water contents, so stayed glossy -- assuming they were regularly cleaned -- between repaints.

    • @tobythehairlessdog8876
      @tobythehairlessdog8876 Před 10 měsíci

      Boiler and firebox were covered with asbestos lagging then thin casings which were the bits which were painted, so never got very hot. Woof!

    • @davidbugler4597
      @davidbugler4597 Před 10 měsíci

      @@tobythehairlessdog8876 Yes I realise that. So were the cylinder'valve-chest castings..Dapol have done a very good job of representing the cylinder cover sheets.

  • @peterwilliamson4663
    @peterwilliamson4663 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Hi Sam my Accurascale Manor is running on DCC and I have no problems with it, and it crawls well. Keep up the good work.

  • @allanmorton6022
    @allanmorton6022 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Can't recall a loco you were so amazed by when taking out the box being downgraded so much by the end of the review. Great video and always love comparisons.

  • @chugwaterjack4458
    @chugwaterjack4458 Před měsícem

    I swear this is the first time I've heard a UK reviewer refer to the item as an engine, rather than a loco. Next thing you know, you'll have model engineers and brakemen. (That's sarcasm, son.)
    One feature I particularly like is the fitted springs and journal boxes on the tender. I had gotten used to trucks (bogies) on US models having real springs, but this is the first UK model I've spotted which; although not actually sprung, looks like it could be. (This statement suggests why I have so much more trouble with bogies, especially Accurascale's Siphon G's, staying on the track.)
    Actually a pretty darned good review. Keep up the consistency in your reviews; it makes comparisons easier.

  • @johnrawson9469
    @johnrawson9469 Před 10 měsíci +7

    Hi Sam,
    I have had a dapol manor for a while and am very happy with it. However, my accurascale manor recently arrived and this is so much better. To be fair, the dapol loco/tender coupling is superior and couldn't be easier to use. The details of the accurascale model are second to none though. For example, the cab detail , including the driver and fireman seats is excellent, as is the detail on the front of the leading pony truck. For me, and I suppose this is down to personal choice, but the dapol safety valve cover is too bright whereas the accurascale cover looks more realistic along with the matt smokebox and the copper on the chimney. With regards mechanism, both mine are chipped and both run beautifully. By the way, I shall not be taking either of them apart, too fiddly for me these days. Anyway, they are both excellent models, but my preference, just, is for the accurascale version.
    Thanks for your review, Sam, really enjoyed your comparison.

  • @SuperJam2222
    @SuperJam2222 Před 5 měsíci

    I'm saving up to get my Grandad a good quality Manor Class, it's been his most wanted for a while now... and seeing the level of detail and livery on Accurascales offering, I'm more excited than ever to try and get him this model. Thanks Sam!

  • @levidarling5107
    @levidarling5107 Před 10 měsíci +1

    It is very lovely and nice to see Accurascale try steam locomotives, because we all have to admit, steam locomotives are freaking awesome. I’m so glad we have hundreds to thousands of locomotives preserved and a heck of a lot being restored as we speak.

  • @Teesbrough
    @Teesbrough Před 10 měsíci

    Thanks for crystallising the choice, Sam: walk or torque!

  • @S.C.RuffeyGuy
    @S.C.RuffeyGuy Před 10 měsíci +1

    Thanks for the review on this beautiful model

  • @northernblue1093
    @northernblue1093 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Another very good review. I'm not entirely convinced with your scoring system (of course, it's subjective and there are no rights and wrongs), but the presentation and content of your reviews are such that it is easy to arrive at an alternative, personal score.

  • @michaeltaylor1869
    @michaeltaylor1869 Před 10 měsíci

    Nice video Sam very good camera work as usual as always keep it up bye for now Philip

  • @russellbenton2987
    @russellbenton2987 Před 10 měsíci

    Very fair an thorough review . The motor choice was surprising

  • @brianmicky7596
    @brianmicky7596 Před 10 měsíci

    Hi Sam, Nice review , I like it very much, ( Christmas just round the corner 😂) All the best Brian 😃

  • @BrugerJimmy-tw8eu
    @BrugerJimmy-tw8eu Před 8 měsíci

    thanks for the review I am definitely buying one now!

  • @alantraish3368
    @alantraish3368 Před 10 měsíci +5

    This Accurascale manor can crawl on a sixpence on DCC. Just turn back emf of: CV66=1. Beautiful all round and glad I didn’t get the Dapol

    • @Ste1952
      @Ste1952 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Testing on a basic DC is no measure of a locos actual performance either

    • @Reidy82
      @Reidy82 Před 10 měsíci +2

      I find nearly everything runs better with DCC. I watch Sams channel but I dont necessarily make any purchasing decisions based on the content. He puts the effort in and makes a good video that caters for the DC user when it comes to running performance.

  • @formidable38
    @formidable38 Před 10 měsíci

    Another great review Sam! Certainly one or two surprises there, all horses for courses as they say.

  • @lukejackson8741
    @lukejackson8741 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Long awaited this one, gutted to of missed out on the version I want… hoping for one of this random ‘look what we found in the warehouse clearance’ resales they do

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 10 měsíci

      Ahh fingers crossed - and no doubt they'll be back in future batches too!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @peterboyes1113
    @peterboyes1113 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Thanks for another great video. Being able to compare with the Dapol one also helps when I am looking for steps forward in quality detail. Might you do a review of the new Hornby Castle? Although obviously not a Manor it would be interesting to compare details and quality provided by 3 different manufacturers with such similar models.

  • @gwrtromsoe
    @gwrtromsoe Před 10 měsíci +9

    Looks awesome.
    And look at those tender lamp irons!
    Love the smokebox finish.
    So looking forward to getting mine :)

  • @georgethomas7814
    @georgethomas7814 Před 10 měsíci

    Liked for the intro music alone.....As always the review is great and diligent

  • @paulwilliams3710
    @paulwilliams3710 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Would be interesting to see if you chipped it how much better the crawl would be. Mine is dcc and crawls great.

  • @SimplyTakuma
    @SimplyTakuma Před 3 měsíci

    I fell more and more in love with Accurascale.

  • @WhistleStopWonders.
    @WhistleStopWonders. Před 10 měsíci

    Good review! As im making my gwr collecfion bigger i moght pick my self up one off these

  • @bryantan863
    @bryantan863 Před 10 měsíci +5

    Accurascale's new GWR Manor class locomotive is a very nice looking model do not get me wrong. Its boiler, smokebox and running board being made out of die cast metal makes the model very heavy along with being powerful to pull multiple rolling stock. Its price is decent and its detail is fantastic. Unfortunately, the plug for the tender from the locomotive is not that great because it is quite difficult to service the model and its motor is not able to make the model crawl slowly because of its ridiculous 3 pole motor. I rather buy the Dapol Manor because it is cheaper and easy to maintain. Overall, the Accurascale Manor class is pretty good Sam.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Thanks for sharing Bryan, yeah I'd agree with all of this. A few odd choices, but overall an awesome loco! :D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @davidcook380
    @davidcook380 Před 10 měsíci

    Great Stuff , Thanks Sam

  • @1maico1
    @1maico1 Před 10 měsíci

    There is a third way of getting around motor packaging constraints. Marklin-Trix and perhaps others have occasionally attached the motor inside the boiler. It meshes with the chassis by cog when attached to the chassis.
    The Manor in OO has plenty of room to fit a decently large coreless motor which would be a simpler solution.

  • @NWRJ_WStudios
    @NWRJ_WStudios Před 10 měsíci

    7:34 I really love that feature Sam.

  • @modelrailwaynoob
    @modelrailwaynoob Před 10 měsíci

    The lap bracket on the smoke box had excess glue around it as well as the hand rail and other parts. It stood out as very shiny compared to the matt looking black paint.

  • @rogthedodge99
    @rogthedodge99 Před 9 měsíci

    Great revue Sam. Thanks

  • @philipcalvey5319
    @philipcalvey5319 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I've got the bachmann odney manor from some years ago. Nothing wrong with it and detail very good

  • @BrewPub
    @BrewPub Před 10 měsíci +8

    Accurascale has the nicest / poshest boxes; and the loco looks fantastic as usual from Accurascale. The Dapol one looks fantastic too.

    • @StormmyStormmy
      @StormmyStormmy Před 10 měsíci +1

      Accurascale's packaging & presentation is awesome, got my class 97 network rail yellow loco this morning, the box it came in is so impressive.

  • @JustinFrazier_360
    @JustinFrazier_360 Před 10 měsíci

    Nice review sam

  • @spring626
    @spring626 Před 10 měsíci +6

    I have the bachmann Manor and I'll be honest. I'm happy for it. It runs smoothly and it can do a decent crawl, tho my track is kinda dirty.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 10 měsíci

      Good stuff - like I said in this video, the performance of the old Bachmann one is actually excellent, possibly even better than these!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @davidrobinson8700
    @davidrobinson8700 Před 10 měsíci

    Hi Sam, Thanks for this review. Please could you do a comparison review with this & the Dapol Manor (like you did with the two Lion's from Hornby & Rapido)?

  • @garethparkin9498
    @garethparkin9498 Před 10 měsíci

    I have a 20 year old Bachmann too Hook Norton Manor in BR Green still a great model and runner

  • @fudgebaker
    @fudgebaker Před 10 měsíci

    I'm curious if the buffers between the loco and tender are made of metal and also sprung. That attention to detail would partially explain their choice of tender connection.

  • @davidgapp1457
    @davidgapp1457 Před 10 měsíci +1

    For me, not slowing down on bends is the decider. Accurascale have built a model you are going to want to see running around your track, Dapol more for static display or shunting maybe. Looking at either model, it is so, so far removed from my experiences as a kid back in 1966. Absolutely amazing.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 10 měsíci

      Thanks David - yes that's a real bonus isn't it, the torque is definitely better in this loco, which is quite surprising!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @steamsearcher
    @steamsearcher Před 10 měsíci

    9.08 and totally blown out of the water!!!!!
    Yes we would love to get one BUT we have quite a shopping list to get through first... Titfield Thunderbolt set. The 1500 and of course the 4400. Another expensive year but cheaper than the 5" versions of the tanks I am also doing. The 10 year plan is to sit the OO models on the running boards.

  • @chorlton4
    @chorlton4 Před 10 měsíci

    Wished I had watched this before buying one! It will be interesting to see how long the small motor lasts! Although it looks very good, the slow speed running-or lack of- bears out my experience entirerly. Fitting a DCC decoder is tedious too. The Rails ones don't have etched plates supplied as extras . Most informative, well done Sam.

  • @SteamintheNorthWest
    @SteamintheNorthWest Před 10 měsíci +3

    I do love my accurascale manor, so much so I have 3! One thing I don't think you mentioned, but is a real stand out for the model is the front end of the bogie with removable but accurate detail, no gapping square hole until every other model ever!

  • @pemboart
    @pemboart Před 10 měsíci +1

    You've never let me down with a recommendation Sam. I already bought the Dapol version following on from your review the previous year. Thank you!

  • @WinterroSP
    @WinterroSP Před 10 měsíci +3

    The reason it cuts in so late is due to the chunky gears. Smaller teeth distribute the force of the motor a lot better , and reducing resistance.
    However the acurascale will certainly outlive the dappol one. With the bigger teeth, it will take longer to wear out.

  • @agentM1991
    @agentM1991 Před 10 měsíci +3

    A great loco Sam. Accurascale really did take model railroading by storm. It's inability to crawl would be a minor complanit as it wasn't a switch loco or a slow freight loco. But would indeed an inconvenience during a session if your trying to simulate a loco gentility coupling to a train.

  • @NWRJ_WStudios
    @NWRJ_WStudios Před 10 měsíci

    Hi Sam I don't know if there was a odd one out today, but I did see the blue King Class and all the other locos were green.
    Cheers Jasper & Willow

  • @YsanneOshea
    @YsanneOshea Před 10 měsíci +1

    Another excellent review Sir. So, when compared to one of the nine class members preserved, which model, Dapol or Accurascale, has the most realistic rivets? (I can believe I've just written that! 🤣)

  • @colwichjunction3366
    @colwichjunction3366 Před 9 měsíci

    Great review Sam…
    Cheers John B😎

  • @charliepage1927
    @charliepage1927 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Hmm. I’m surprised at the ratings. Out of the two the Accurascale model looks so much better. Riveting looks chunky in comparison BUT I feel this gives it a much better and consistent look. The wheel sets and connecting rods are also far better.
    I also believe the boiler on the Dapol version is slightly bigger / wider?
    The running session was disappointing to see on DC as I have the Sound Fitted version and the slow running is absolutely fantastic even with 128 speed steps and the addition of the stay alive make it bullet proof!
    Firebox flicker is definitely quite bright.
    The electroplated safety bonnet on the Dapol model, whilst outstanding looks very out of place compared to rest of the model.
    All in all I prefer the Accurascale by a huge margin.
    I think this loco is at home on DCC layouts.
    However your review is a true reflection of its performance on DC.

  • @DevonGeorge85
    @DevonGeorge85 Před 10 měsíci +4

    A very honest review which matches my experience with this model.
    I have 2, as well as a Dapol version. I had to send one back because of the motor noise with the replacement being a far better performer.
    They are though, incredibly detailed and accurate models: with details not often modeled by other manufacturer.
    However, my Dapol has a much better motor and running performance.
    Tbh they both, Dapol and Accurascale, have elements that one does better than the other.
    I think the best of both worlds for me would be the Accurascale body on a Dapol motor and mechanism. Also the tender connection of Dapol locos is just the best and most innovative.

  • @Hanguanjun68
    @Hanguanjun68 Před 7 měsíci

    Detailing and paintwork is great

  • @thestocktonflyer4059
    @thestocktonflyer4059 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Beautiful model. Just a few little issues. But accurascale seem to listen to feedback 🤔 the deltic had a few little gripes then accurascale listened and gave us the class 37 . So I think the next steam locomotive from accurascale will be something very special. Great review sam 👏 thank you 😊

  • @AVMR66
    @AVMR66 Před 10 měsíci

    Great review just bought one for my dad. Personally I prefer the larger rivets on the accurascale as on other locos they can be easily overlooked and I like the fact they stand out a bit more as it makes it feel like the rivets are real.

    • @mccarronfamily
      @mccarronfamily Před 9 měsíci

      Probably because they are accurate, and rendered to scale :)

  • @bernardnewbury
    @bernardnewbury Před 9 měsíci

    I have 2 of these on order. The tipping point for me over the 2 was the fact I could fit a larger wattage sound chip 3 watt (Zimo MS 450) and speaker in the tender and not use the Next 18 which is only 1 watt. However Accursacale did change the sound specs after I ordered and paid.

  • @aberfordwest4003
    @aberfordwest4003 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Really looking forward to mine! I ordered one in the second batch like a fool! 😂

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Ahh never mind - I'm sure it'll be worth the wait! :D
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @robertevans8390
    @robertevans8390 Před 8 měsíci

    I have the Accurascale Manor DCC sound, mine is able to crawl very slowly and steadily, and the firebox flicker is just right and lights up driver and Co quite convincingly, it is a bit lacking in power it will not pull my 20 odd coal wagons down to about 12, but I have not run it in yet tbh I did not know you needed to as does not mention running it in on the packaging. I’m fairly pleased with it.

  • @TheWoodlandhoBo
    @TheWoodlandhoBo Před 10 měsíci

    Firebox looks awesome. A fire is bright. 👍🏻

  • @beh1972
    @beh1972 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I can vouch for the Dapol Manor’s low speed running. I was playing with mine one weekend and forgot to turn off the power to the transformer at the wall.
    Three nights later I went to put something away in the train room and saw an orange light on I
    In the darkness on the far corner of the layout. It was the firebox LED. I then noticed the LEDs on the transformer on.
    The power dial wasn’t completely set to off and had been running around the layout at I guess 1mm a sec for 72 hours!

  • @timbervalleyproductions
    @timbervalleyproductions Před 10 měsíci

    Awesome vid Sam, surprised yours works so well, as you know mine doesn't!

  • @MichaelJohnson-td1me
    @MichaelJohnson-td1me Před 10 měsíci

    She is gorgeous! I just looked at your video on the Steam Punks.

  • @henriknilsson7851
    @henriknilsson7851 Před 8 měsíci

    My Granville Manor just came in the post. The DCC/Sound equipped models like this can crawl beautifully.
    The stack fits much better and there are no visible glue spots. Perhaps they might have figured out production a bit better?
    Quite a nice GWR loco. You are right, we are being spoiled rotten with the great GWR steam locos that have come out in the last few years!

  • @artmatrix9043
    @artmatrix9043 Před 10 měsíci

    I have run mine in and it ran extremely well at slow speed, barely moving on 1 and slowly increasing as power raised. I am on DCC.

  • @dannyvanstraelen3273
    @dannyvanstraelen3273 Před 10 měsíci +1

    As ever Sam, you did your best to review this Accurascale Manor, and the reference to Dapol was honest.
    I think both did well.
    I also bought both brands, you can do that perfectly, as both brands have different numberings, and that's also a positive something worth while to mention.
    Both are value for money, not cheap, but what is these days, but exquisit made.
    Comparing a 3 pole motor to a 5 pole motor, it makes no sense to me, the one with the most poles is going to win the crawling competition, one can cheat a bit with a flying wheel and gearing, but it's as comparing a 4 cylinder to an 8 cylinder car.
    But here comes my question again, this big "WHY!!!" keeps buzzing in the back of my head.
    Recently it was Hornby against Rapido with the Lion's, and now it's the Manors.
    Even the Bachmann Manor already was a fine model 12 years ago.
    But out of all the endless choices on great British loco's ever produced in the UK, WHY!!! most they (the model brands) all focus on the same models over and over again???
    There are so many types, that never have been produced, as a ready of the shelf loco, leave the kit variations aside that's an other matter.
    So WHY!!!
    A big please to all the brands who read this, do something that is not done before, you get a 10+ score from me…

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 10 měsíci

      Thanks a lot for sharing Danny - glad you thought the comparison was fair! And agreed, no surprise that the 5 pole motors do the best crawl - I thought Accurascale knew this, so unsure about why they went for the motor they did. Yeah the why is a good question - the different manufacturers have become very cut throat these days, and I do believe that there's a fair bit of deliberate duplication out there. I also think good market research could also be leading manufacturers to the same conclusions, which has resulted in a few genuinely coincidental duplicate products. It's a dangerous game though, however it starts, as there can only be one winner in each case!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @shanghai264359
    @shanghai264359 Před 2 měsíci

    Another great review Sam. I've just ordered one of these in the GWR livery (the DC version). I've always been puzzled by the firebox glow featured in a variety of current model steam locos. Surely when the real thing is running, the firebox doors are only open during the few seconds while the coal is being shovelled into the firebox and therefore rarely visible during operation. Furthermore there must be a measurable cost element to this essentially unnecessary feature. Update 25.4.24:- I received the model today and it's absolutely gorgeous! Just going back to my comment on the firebox glow. Having now seen this working for myself I confirm that it is very bright indeed and, yes, looks really silly! It dominates when you catch sight of it as the loco goes round the track and is a complete distraction in my personal opinion. I'll be painting mine over so it can't be seen. Sorry!

  • @victoriapeacock766
    @victoriapeacock766 Před 10 měsíci

    Great video

  • @gordonh9258
    @gordonh9258 Před 10 měsíci +2

    I have the dcc sound cookham Manor & I am very impressed with it, & the crawl on mine is excellent. Very thorough review as always keep up the good work Sam.

  • @marcod1600
    @marcod1600 Před 10 měsíci

    That is a nice GWR model!

  • @MattTrains2001
    @MattTrains2001 Před 8 měsíci

    just received my Accurascale manor, I got DCC sound fitted from factory and not sure if that makes a difference but the crawl out the box was incredible so maybe something to do with the programming of the decoder or the difference of DC/DCC operation

  • @modelrailwaybackshop
    @modelrailwaybackshop Před 10 měsíci +1

    Also Coreless motors are known to have unbalanced Back EMF for ESU and Soundtraxx Decoders, while a 3 pole high efficiency motor and a 5 pole version are best for any model train in reality.

    • @1maico1
      @1maico1 Před 10 měsíci

      Can't say I've noticed that. I fitted a Lokpilot v5 21pin to a Trix with a coreless Portescap motor recently. Other locos have swiss made Maxton and German Faulhaber coreless. All run perfectly and silently at all speeds. A lot better at crawl than the DC Manor. The DCC one will be much better.

  • @briandesens144
    @briandesens144 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Awesome video Sam's trains

  • @NWRJ_WStudios
    @NWRJ_WStudios Před 10 měsíci +3

    I really love the manor Sam, I've already ordered mine and I can't wait for it to come in :)
    Cheers Jasper & Willow

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Yeah they're wonderful aren't they?? I'm sure you'll enjoy it!! :D
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

    • @robmckenzie2538
      @robmckenzie2538 Před 10 měsíci

      @@SamsTrains Another helpful review, thanks Sam. The Accurascale Manor looks excellent but the three-pole motor is a bit disappointing (they really should be a thing of the past). Some other manufacturers often compromise fine models by penny-pinching in one or two matters; I hope Accurascale won't get into this habit!
      I ordered my A/s Manor (in BR lined green, the most attractive livery IMO) some time ago but haven't received it. Looks as if my (well known) retailer hasn't received stocks from the manufacturer yet. A bit puzzling.

  • @headsup2433
    @headsup2433 Před 10 měsíci

    I have just received a Heljan NBL 10800 in green from Heljan No: 1083. I would like to see your review on one of these models. These do need reviewing and to see your take on them.

  • @fredburley9512
    @fredburley9512 Před 10 měsíci

    How would it perform chipped? Be nice to see the GWR version.

  • @jetporter
    @jetporter Před 10 měsíci

    I'd be hard pressed to choose a favourite. I like the one-piece boiler and I think the matte black on the smokebox makes the model look more realistic. The real copper on the chimney looks nicer that the painted band on the Dapol engine, but the safety-valve bonnet is nicer on the Dapol engine. Really difficult to decide.

  • @taylorlobosky1999
    @taylorlobosky1999 Před 10 měsíci

    Can you do a comparison between your best and worst 5 pole motors? And what you think is the best 5 pole motor.

  • @tomlawton7087
    @tomlawton7087 Před 10 měsíci

    Sam, do you have a speed checker so you can record the minimum and maximum (scale) speeds?

  • @Jimyjames73
    @Jimyjames73 Před 10 měsíci

    A Lovely Loco with a good fire box glow!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂

  • @schrodingerscat1863
    @schrodingerscat1863 Před 9 měsíci

    The mechanism has been designed for DCC most likely, with DCC the crawl speed would be much better due to the way DCC decoders work to control speed.

  • @schuylerschultz804
    @schuylerschultz804 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Very beautiful loco, though I did notice one thing almost immediately that I'm surprised you didn't catch, and that's the fact the handrails on the cab don't actually reach all the way up to the cab roof, which is kinda strange.

    • @michaelliles693
      @michaelliles693 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Thats been pointed out by others in the Accurascale thread in RMweb. A strange error, hopefully will be fixed in later batches. Cant wait for mine!

  • @robinsweet7170
    @robinsweet7170 Před 10 měsíci

    Accurascale really communicate with their customers so anything you're not happy about you contact them and get a response. I'm yet to get my GWR liveried version but know it will suit my needs much more than the Dapol model.

  • @lindaoffenbach
    @lindaoffenbach Před 10 měsíci +3

    Looks fantastic Sam. Die-cast for us always has the upper hand; simply looks so much more substantial like a real loco. We would happily acquire something like this but with quite some sensible improvements such as a quality motor, logically put together by design, and last but not least..., metal gears s.v.p. We're never keen on plastic ones, especially not when a model is weighty... Locos aren't quiet anyway. Metal gearing simply adds to the experience and durability. We never understand why a model loco is to be quiet... Really mind boggling for us tbh. For all those aforementioned improvements suggested, we would happily hand over the equivalent of £ 200... As it is..., a bit too many questionable compromises for the money... Fantastic looking though as she is 💓

  • @SueBobChicVid
    @SueBobChicVid Před 10 měsíci

    Are the lamp brackets sideways, or is that prototypical? Am I correct to say that they are (at least) different from most?

  • @davidhinks8384
    @davidhinks8384 Před 10 měsíci +6

    Hi Sam, I nearly bought one and have now missed out on the livery I would want. I love my Dapol Manor so not too disappointed. This new offering is certainly a great model and knocks the 'Big two' manufacturers out of the park on value. I've mentioned before, I would like a Castle and the 'new' offering from Hornby has an rrp of £208, which I suspect will be an all plastic body. Maybe I can wait to see if Dapol or Accurascale get interested... Cheers as always.

    • @modelrailfan37
      @modelrailfan37 Před 10 měsíci +1

      I’d wait for a sale for the Hornby castle. The body is all plastic, and the motor isn’t fantastic, but other than that, their fantastic. Can’t say the same for the price though…

    • @davidhinks8384
      @davidhinks8384 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Yep, I think I'll wait. Cheers@@modelrailfan37

  • @phil36310
    @phil36310 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Hi Sam, When you see the real locomotive you'll notice that the rivets are rather chunky and the chimney connection to the smoke box is pronounced as well. So Accurascale has it completely right. The tapering of the boiler looks wrong on the Dapol. Again the Accurascale is much more elegant and accurate. The detailing & mass of the coupling rods is outstanding. What - maybe - let it down is the 3-pole motor. But then again it's a much better puller and on DCC crawl is programmable. So for me the Accurascale is the absolute winner. Notice that you have limited choice for a decoder in the Dapol since it's space restricted in the smoke box but plenty of space in the tender with this version. A no brainer for the average hobbyist. So far, as regard to steam locomotives, this is the 'Steamer' of the Year 2023 ! Value for the money is just 'outstanding'. Bravo for Accurascale and thank you for the - as always - nicely presented review. Regards, Filip

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Nah - it’s probably a matter of opinion but looking at the photos of the real manors, the rivets aren’t that chunky - you can particularly notice it on the buffer beams. Same with the chimney - that’s not how any real steam loco chimney looks, as they’re not slotted into an oversize hole in the top of the smoke box as they are on this model.
      I never had a problem with the dapol tapering, but that’s definitely something that people are saying. I’m more concerned with value, quality and serviceability though, and for me Dapol wins by a hair. That said, this is an A grade model, certainly one of the very best.

  • @KenBJ1
    @KenBJ1 Před 10 měsíci

    Is it camera angle/lighting or is the cab a different shade of green to the boiler?

  • @therailfanman2078
    @therailfanman2078 Před 6 dny

    Would you recommend this locomotive for someone in the US who wants to get some models of British steam?

  • @noahhorinek
    @noahhorinek Před 7 měsíci

    I'm not really going to run my locos at a crawl anyways, so the torque of this model compared to Dapol's is excellent to me. That coupled with the die cast construction makes this a win.

  • @colinwhewell7049
    @colinwhewell7049 Před 10 měsíci

    The mat black smoke box is a big plus, but the amount of visible glue is off putting and very difficult to fix with touch up paint in mat black.

  • @graemewood7421
    @graemewood7421 Před 10 měsíci

    Sam. I have an Erlestoke Manor but I can't alter the DCC address from the default 3. Has anyone else commented on this problem?

  • @williamsquires3070
    @williamsquires3070 Před 10 měsíci +4

    I think this one is better for passenger operation as it doesn’t slow much on the curves, whereas the Dapol one is better for use in the freight yard with it’s better crawl, especially if you only have a medium-sized train with, say, 10-15 wagons and vans to shunt around.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 10 měsíci

      Yeah that's a very good point actually - much better for passenger operation, I'd agree!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @rowanthursday5860
    @rowanthursday5860 Před 10 měsíci

    I wonder how absolute the "Second Radius Curves" limit is, with the outside cylinders on this engine. As an earlier video on this channel noted a while ago, a lot of locomotives can actually manage far tighter curves than advertised, which can be handy for tight corners or non-scenic areas, albeit just sometimes with slow running and potential excessive wear on some parts if done for a prolonged period. I've noticed the Dapol Prairie, for instance, in contrast, has visible difficulty with standard non-express Hornby points at times, which are nominally second radius overall but slightly closer to first radius in places to balance out the short 'straight' sections at the end, so I do wonder with the Accurascale and Dapol Manors whether they'll be in the 'go slow and carefully over first radius sections/standard points and hope the trackwork's laid right and if so you should be ok' category, on in the 'will stall or derail at anything less than second radius' one.

  • @melchestermodelrailway
    @melchestermodelrailway Před 10 měsíci +1

    Such a promising start with all that die-cast, but then let down by the motor, as somebody pointed out, I wonder how that will fare with long term use.
    The use of die-cast metal would have helped Dapol in their new D1 loco for rails; all the reviews I've seen describe it as "light on its feet" and can't haul many carriages. At £200, that's a bit unacceptable. Will you be reviewing that loco Sam?

  • @jamesdunloptrains
    @jamesdunloptrains Před 10 měsíci

    Awesome video today Sam sorry for the late comment lovely modle

  • @stralegaming2597
    @stralegaming2597 Před měsícem

    Interestingly enough if we look past the convince part the accurascale one looks more realistic when it comes to the tender draw bar