"We Are Regressing!" Chelsea 2-0 Tottenham [MATCH REVIEW]
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So good as a Spurs fan to have the brilliant Simon Jordan articulate what Ange is talking about. I personally listen to Celtic fans when, as Ange joined us, they said...it will take until year 2 before we see the germination of success. Considering where we wre when he took over, I give Ange THREE years. Year 3 is when I expect us to be winning a cup. After that, assuming we are still where we are now, ONLY THEN would I question his ability at this level. Most of this crap is just down to journalists who have their own agenda (a story) and the fact they are blinded by this rather than actually think for themselves.
I get that however as a rival fan I look at it from an angle that SPL is a lower league and the managers aren't as good as what we have in the EPL. These guys here and thr teams will figure u out just like what has happened. Ange seems stubborn n doesn't want to alter his tactics based on the opposition he meets. If he doesn't develop this habit then it's a waste of time.
@@tilewajohnson4427 Good points mate. However, I just have a gut feeling that if we start to sack people again after 1/2 seasons, we are back to square 1. It's just a feeling I get...I'm 65 now and been going to Tottenham since 1967. Seen mmany great players, great wins etc....but I do believe, given time and enough transfer windows....something very special will happen here.
I've just realised that if I were Daniel Levy I wouldn't have the gall to show my face.
When I started supporting Spurs in the early 1980s we were a successful cup team with a decent trophy room.
The owners have turned our club into a joke.
Which team on earth has spawned a new adjective, Spursy, to denote abject failure.
Over the last twenty years we have had three generational talents, Modric, Bale, Kane, with one shit cup to show for it.
This is far bigger than Ange.
Conte and Jose were 'far bigger than Age' what did they win ?
That's my point. The problem doesn't lie in our managers. It's the culture of the club. The league, or should I say top 4, has been prioritised over cup runs.
Ange will achieve nothing in the Premier League😢
Berbatov, Son...
Imagine Arsenal selling Henry and Viera coming into their prime? United selling Giggs and Scholes? Chelsea selling Drogba and Lampard? City selling Aguero and David Silva? We had a billionaire owner and his butler Mr Levy was given carte blanche to sell the family silver with his blessing.
Completely agree with Ben - put some youngsters in for the last few games
I give up !!. From what Ange has said and the way he is managing.
He is not interested in changing anything.
He is not interested in coaching.
He wont admit that anything is wrong.
He only wants to play in half the pitch leaving us wide open to easy counter attacks.
By compressing our attacking play he is putting our whole team under extreme pressure all the time, which reduces planning and thinking time; and conversely gives our opponents more time to think and react.
He insists on playing the rigid zonal marking system in defence, which leaves our players out of position and bewildered.
He doesn't play to our teams strengths, or even care what they are, and he demands everyone plays his team style whether they are suited to it or not.
He doesn't play to our players strengths so they they are compromised due to his lack of planning, thus passing the problem onto the next player or player's in the team.
He doesn't care how opposition teams play, so Spurs are tactically under prepared for what we are about to face.
Substitutions seem to be made in an ad-hoc fashion with poor timing. 'seat of the pants stuff'.
Team selections don't seem to be made on merit or form, and if player's aren't buying into Ange's system they get the cold shoulder.
It is also apparent that player's are trained to excess given the number of training ground injuries we have endured.
I'm sure there is more that could be said, but blaming the player's for this mess isn't one of them .
The player's are not mind-readers nor are they automatons. They deserve respect as human beings and deserve a plan with reasoned tactics to tackle the formidable obstacles that other opposing team's players and tactics present.
I don't see Ange's approach winning anything in the Premier or Football League. And I don't think any European football will be on the cards next season.
I wish I was wrong about all this but stubborn myopic managers are not what Tottenham Hotspur needs.
Ange has to go. because he cant adapt.
100%
Read up on how Brian Clough managed Forest and Derby. It's all about personalities and, yes, fear.
my thoughts exactly..
Thank you for being honest, angry & talking sense about the current situation. Really appreciate it. I truly believed in what Ange could achieve with our club, but this could be an incredibly painful end to the season with a strong possibility of losing (at least) 4 of the last 6 🙈🙈
5 of 7 I think! Newcastle, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City....with a 'hopeful' 6 pts against Burnley & Forest.
Son hasn’t been as effective because he has no left back to create overlapping runs with so he’s literally being double covered every time he gets the ball as he’s our only attacking threat. Combined with having to play most games from behind in the scoreline and the fact he has one of the leading goal involvements for the season is ridiculous
Also he cant head the ball and cant hold the ball up.
Neither can Salah if that’s your main complaint that means the team is not good
All out attack with no plan b or c is too easy to play against. We’ve been found out after the first Chelsea game.
Don't forget Ange said that he is not interested in the 'dark arts ' when other teams are doing it to us and getting away with it.
He was so flippant about it not being a thing to be concerned about.
I'm sure our player's are fed up with having to play Ange's pure football with no plan B.
Do you reckon Radu dragusin is wondering why the fuck he joined spurs. He could be in champions league semi
Absolutely! He has to be wondering why the f*** he's come here. He never plays and we lose every game
Everything Conte said at his final press conference a year or so ago is looking ever more correct.
I thought he was right then...
Also we desperately need a defensive coach they used the same tactics as Woolwich blocking defenders at dead balls players should have the sense to see it
The main changes that Ange needs is his attitude and he needs to learn to be more flexible in relation to set pieces etc. He could be sacked by the years end otherwise as he will have lost the dressing room even more than he has already.
What surprises me is that it seems to have taken you till now to see how bad spurs have been playing for the last 3 months or so! Better late than never. Stick to telling us what players spurs are ‘interested’ in but never going to buy. I’m interested in a Porsche, never going to buy one!
Ange needs to go..We are def. regressing and there is no fix for this until he leaves.
We will still be talking about those first 10 games in a years time 🤣
I wonder how much longer supporters will continue to pay good money to see Spurs fail. Levy has spent millions on a fantastic stadium,but I wonder how he'll feel if it's half empty and we have no European football ?
Yes! We are badly regressing! The worst thing is Angeball is making Conteball look much better every game lately! At least under Conte parking the bus, we would see moments of brilliance by our attackers in games where they score worldies!!!Right now, there is no joy in possession!!!
Finally you are getting as angry as I am. Good players playing badly? It’s the manager. Set pieces not a priority? - Manager. No idea who should be in midfield? - Manager. Only one way to play? - Manager. Everybody has worked us out? - Manager. Low morale? - Manager. Making the same mistakes as six months ago? - Manager.
Look at Maddison. We bought a great player. Six months later we’ve got a shit one.
Ange is a busted flush. We were less awful under Conte.
This stage of the project? There is no project, its project bollocks. If this is a project it’s OVER.
Has Ange lost the dressing room? It's starting to look like it..... I'm sure the players are bewildered at his lack of Plan B and lack of tactical nous.... His team selections are also suspect... Why no Lo Celso,why doesn't he drop Son?
Drop Son for who? They're all shit
Yeah let's drop Son! We've got so many incredible and efficient scorers on our team..
Tell me how many service did Richie get in this game? A big 0. He was useless not because he played poorly but because strikers on this team get no service.
Let's drop Son.. wow clueless fool
@@cvg1198 It always amazes me how some people just lack the intellectual capacity to debate anything without resorting to abuse. Clearly you're a Gen Z....Conversation over.
LoCelso certainly isn't the answer to anything. He hasn't been the answer to anything at this club for 4 years
@@subculture2006 What kind of snow flake are you to consider being called a fool an abuse? My goodness you're soft. Grow some thick skin, princess.
this team has no chemistry. it should be played so that son has the most chances, but everyone else want to be the new star on the pitch. just greedy and no team play.
No mate the tact is actually more structured then you think, it might look it at times but it’s not your Sunday league, just passing the ball to the best player.
Lo Celso should stay on his day he’s better than Maddison and would be helpful with more games
Completely agree! Technically I think he edges even Maddison but for some strange reason Ange won't play him so he'll leave and I don't blame him.
Here for spurs fans tears. We (broken Chelsea) broke u lot again. Feeling goood!! Up the Chels!
Ben's comment about the midfield problems seems close to the bullseye. After having watched this system all season, it seems that the midfield bears the most responsibility for creativity and decision making. The other positions are fairly straightforward--defenders defend and get the ball to the mids/wingbacks, wingbacks cover the touchlines then invert, wingers recieve the ball wide and look for the cross, striker works the box for a tap in. In all of that it falls on the midfielders to read the opposition and figure out how to open them up. This part of the game is the most difficult intellectually and most variable from game to game. Simply, it makes sense that this will be the last piece of the puzzle that gets resolved. I get the impression that once the system was 'found out', defenses throughout the league found solutions, and the slow pace at which our midfielders have been able to adapt to these 'solutions' and create more/better chances have contributed to a natural fatigue within the squad, especially concerning morale. That said, patience is paramount at this stage. Patience and love. COYS!!!
Reality check: Harry Kane carried most of Spurs offense for years and he’s gone, the N. London derby was decided by wonky officials who have no accountability, we’ve been without a starting left back for the last two games, Ange got a few good games out of Bissouma, unlike Conte. I’m puzzled by some of Ange’s decisions, but remember how he brought Celtic back to life. Finally, after 60 years supporting Spurs, I believe most modern “Spurs fans” are bandwagon followers who want to whinge and moan rather than truly follow our team! COS
Lads, ''it is the Tottenham'🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣'...good to see you climb down from the NLD excuses; no referee this-and-that from your showersh!t.
The rebuild has failed because the players we have are clearly not up to the task.
Like Angela the Duffer ?
A rebuild doesn't fail after a manager's first season and two transfer windows
Though may look like it, i aint about Regressing. This is a process guys, failing makes us stronger, we know know a little more of what not to do and Ange knows a little more of what to say and teach the players. Not all in the spurs squad understands our tactics at all yet, and all the players needs to believe in the style of play, as Ange said. Though its going to be a rough session, but we will come better out of this. In Ange we trust, COYS
Deluded Happy Clapper.😅
We are weak in possession we get bullied Maddison isn’t strong enough easy to spot the players that will be leaving it’s good we aren’t qualifying for cl because unless we sign at least 4 elite signings we are going to get embarrassed even in the Europa league
Pathetic lackadaisical squad, stubborn clueless manager. Cant see any signs of recovery. We are definitely in big trouble.
No sim, if players aren’t good enough you replace them with better player. That’s how elite clubs do it, you don’t get into spurs for free, you have to perform. If you aren’t performing consistently you can go.
If it hadn’t been Chelsea and MU botching their season, we’d be in the same spot as last season
Ange is starting to remind me of Southgate (yes it is that bad!) with his deer in the headlights expression during the games. Like Southgate he is clearly out of his depth but has somehow blagged a job at the elite level. Like Southgate he talks a good story but has been found out against elite coaches..... 'trust the process' ....cue eye roll.
Dont ya BELIEVE, MATE?
@@palaneproductions7357 I think the jury is out on Ange. I would though give him at least until December 2025. He has shown enough to be given a chance.
@@subculture2006 Thats probably whats going to happen, but the next 4 games have to yield 2 wins and a draw or 2....anything less and its sackable territory.
@@palaneproductions7357 I change my mind about Ange daily TBH. I don't think he'll get sacked under any circumstances but he needs to get the fanbase and possibly even the players back on board. Ideally we'll win 3 games and lose to Man City 10-0!😁
Dejan Kulusevski is no longer "young", he's just not good
The rumours going about Ange as lost the dressing if so he is dead man walking sadly
But the fans "love Big Ange instead", surely love can overcome any obstacle?
Agree with Ben - how long can underperforming players be indulged. I'd add Son to the list of those that can be offloaded. Physically weak, and caught in possession too often.
If Angela hasn't got the players to play his wonderful system why does he keep playing it? His scattergun approach to tactics proves his naivety to this standard of football.
100%
I don't think Spurs will sack Ange, the comparison to Jose and Antonio doesn't work as those two were toxic and abrasive.
How is that prediction whixh you guys put up couple of weeks, going?
I 100% agree with Sim...if we are trying to have all these defensive midfielders in the side to try and break up attack and cover the centre backs, and they are not doing a proper job, which is evident by the number of goals scored against spurs, then spurs needs to change to a more attacking midfield with lo celso and Madison with 2 strikers up front to disrupt teams with total attack
Do us a favor spursy and bottle that match against City. We can't have Arsenal winning the league. Do it for the greater good of football 😂
Whilst this current form is concerning it’s also somewhat understandable. Major change in style and the physical demand it has brought on and pitch and in training has obviously tested the players the longer the season has gone on. At this point it’s easier for the players to abandon belief and return to their basic instinct, the ones with real desire will dig in more. Examples of real desire is Cuti and VdV, also a reason I think Cuti was singled out after the Arsenal game by Ange as the example. The players that don’t have the real fight inside them will go eventually, it won’t matter who they are. Udogie missing has shown how much his desire has propped some players up
I actually think we should start Donley and Ange should say to him to get on the ball and try to play the decisive passes
To answer Sim's question, players who do not fit the system (must sells) are Gil, Royale, Skipp. Players who can contribute, but are better sold than kept are PHE, Gio. I'd consider Bissouma a sell for mentality challenges, and perhaps Kulu as well. Love all these players, but a 6-7 player clean out seems reasonable and necessary. Bring in the youth, Bergvall, a massive 6, a proven winger, back up wing backs and the trebel.
as well as jamie donoley, and the likes
What was wrong with Bissouma last night? I thought he looked perfectly good and was not the root cause of the problems?
Some clubs develop a winning mentality over years. Think Ferguson’s United. Spurs seem to have developed a losing mentality over decades. We need at least 4 new players at the club and even then we still feel short.
Sell Son, Skipp, Gil, Bissouma, Kulu, Maddison, Davies, Emerson, Werner, Richy, Holdberg all need to go and start again. That is 11 players. If they can't cut it, get out.
The players are not playing for Ange. The players are not buying into Ange system of play. Ange is a dead man walking.
I must say i really admire you guys commitment
Sim johnson was marking 3 players and 2 of them were the CB's what do we expect, thats down to Ange. Cuti for captain
On n'a pas un problème d'entraîneur, mais un problème de qualité de joueurs et d'effectif. Le mercato prochain, on va encore bricoler avec des joueurs de qualité moyenne. Vous pouvez amener Pep à Tottenham. Mais tant que ce seront les mêmes joueurs moyens en termes de qualité, n'attendez pas que Pep fasse un miracle. Les autres équipes sont en train de grandir dans le championnat. Finir dans le top 4 dans les prochaines années sera très difficile, voire impossible à cette allure. Nous avons besoin du gardien du Porto, qui est très complet. Nous avons besoin des alliés très créatifs, un attaquant qui participe au jeu et très clinique devant les buts, un numéro 6 et doublé les postes de latéraux.
Well, the whole team, none of them is affected because we need the midfield hang on the ball and set up shooting and no shooting and the both wings can’t cross the ball effectively and also left defense and right defense. It’s not good not good enough to be compete.
If a manager loses the dressing room he has to go
I think 💬 you are wrong, ANGE haven't lost the dressing room!! Just time needed!!!🤍🤍
First of all, I'm Korean.
So Please understand even if my English is very poor.
I'm actually really emotionally damaged..
How can you judge Son like this?
Have you already fogotton his commitment? With only three games? I love Spurs..But, now...I think that Spurs are like pots...I feel let down ...
Don't lash out at Son.
Football is not a sport played alone.
Tottenham is full of glass bodies...
Look at Son !
When he had a rupture, a fractured arm, even orbital fracture, he was always on the feild.
What I mean, at least, he isn't glass body.
Please feel sorry for Son !!!!!!
There is not a single club in the EPL that uses wingers like Son. Why do positions exist in soccer?
If Son were a Manchester city or Liverpool player, he woud be rated higer than he is now .
Why does Son have to be the only one to do everything well?
When Son catches the ball, basically two defenders follow him. Son is often isolated..His teammates don't even pass to him. Is it because of his position surrounded by defenders or the weak middle fielders' skill...?
And there is no player who finishes perfectly when Son assists.
How about Free kick? .. also trying to take away from Son. What on earth should Son do??????? Son is good at counterattack. But his teammate throws(passes) a speed-killing pass. To make matters worse, Ange even made him defend a set-piece.
Doesn't each player have different strengths and each position's roles? ..
Anyway, at the moment, Son is your Captain. Your captain is having a hard time. If you've ever been happy for a moment because of Son, it's your turn. I sincerely ask you to give Son your support and encouragement and love rather than criticism..PLEASE...
Remember even Kane abandoned you for the trophy.
We need some Japanese players
We need some Japanese players
@@michaelkennedy3372
Is your dream to be a soccer owner?
It's none of my business.
Spot on
I've been saying this all season. This team needs a minimum changeover of 6 out and six in
Lads getting battered Sunday....chicken royal left back....lucky to pick up 3 points from now to the end of the season
Agree that only VdV and Romero look like they are putting the effort in and delivering
WARNING - Heresy opinion up coming ...... Son has regressed too much in the last two years... A combination of injury and age means he has lost his electric pace. He is now so easy to defend against as that was his main weapon..... In comparison a great winger of old in Chris Waddle never had much pace but was incredibly skilful and could turn defenders inside and out, Son doesn't have this. A top manager would've benched him long ago.... I know we all love him but time (and or injury) catches up to every player, some sooner than others.
Wtf
We’re not going to spend a ton of money so we need a manager who can get a tune out of the players.Not working on the right things on the training ground
Angela has just left the Cheese Room !😅😅😅
Ange has got us to 5th,better than last year! however i am concerned about our lack of plan b if we r not improving. Ange seems stubborn with player selection ie Kulu midfiled is ridiculous.johnson was our best player.son was never in the game cos we never gave him the ball against a young right back.
5th ? Not for long..... Mate.😅
Angela the Levy YES MAN Patsy will be sacked, and make no mistake. We are Tottenham Happy Clappers.
No one else want these players and if they go I’m sure the other clubs will get a tune out of them ,it got to be our coaching it been going on for years
Son and peh after the free kick hit the bar trying to clear it where was our defenders reacting
Massive squad clear out. Sess, royale, biss, bent, gil, davies, hjob, solomon, lo celso maybe kulu as hes not an ange ball winger. We won't be able to clear a third of that number. Im worried for next season. Fuck sake Tottenham.
Mudryk has more goals and more assist than all your winger except Son
I thought spurs won the EPL October last year. What about the best midfielders in Madison and Basuma. Are they not in the team anymore?
NU had 12 injured...0-4....Chelsea had 14 out ...0-2.....I'm expecting a slight surge from the players at Liverpool...a draw but whether SpursY can score an away goal?
snaggletooth twin hosts! 👹
Ange is out of his depth. Ange reminds me of Potter of Brighton that failed at Chelsea
Play the youngsters , we’ve got nothing to lose
We have to break the press quicker we are too slow in transition we give the defence too much time to get back in formation no one on the half turn except when lo lo came on he was trying to be progressive
I said the same ages ago! We are giving opponents time! Time to bulk-up and fill the gaps with this sideways and backwards passing. Get the ball forward at pace.
A 5-0 Beating, guys! At Anfield.
Pass pass pass and no clue how to finish,so what are they practicing on the training ground
Jan O’blak is up for sale, it’s a no brainer, massive upgrade on chicken Vicario.
Why would he come to spurs ???
@@johnedwards-ty6du because of ange am i blind ball & the tremendous project, because he can play with world class players like chicken royal & davis! Because it would really start a serious project, adding the likes of oblak, zaha & griezemann
SERIOUSLY....Looking at the comments, what a bunch of merchants you all are. This is Ange's first season. The geezer has started well behind the pack so will take 3 years to start to produce. If the fans turn against him, he will have no chance and we will continue to be in the quagmire. Let's give the geezer THREE YEARS..... and we will get there. NO DOUBT!.. No fkn wonder we are called fickle. These two yids don't help either. Btw...VDV was superb against Chelsea.
Get mikey Moore in get Devine back and Santiago and lankshear put these players under pressure
We are the new arsenal!
If that's the case we should be competing for the title in a couple years... ;)
Arsenal in their worst period managed to win few FA cups while some teams in their best period didn't even manage to win at least one
Replacing Kane with Timmys a disgrace. Shit squad. LEVYOUT
Postanoclue is out of his depth system is crap, kulu biss terrible,get rid, be fortunate to get europa conference 😳
I can't say we are anywhere near being a team when there are only 3 players that should be starting (udogie, Vdv, and romero )
Then the some likes of kulu, son, benta, sarr and porro need to perform or get dropped.
The rest can go in the sell box( I wasn't included this years signings but im not against selling for example a madders or johnson if ange decides it not asking for it just saying im with anges choice).
Vicario is a bit different because i think with a better backup, he would have been better from either the competition or just someone who was a bit meaner, showing him how to command a box.
And really need a captain next season nobody currently has shown how to lead. my choice would be romero but he always seems off when given it he needs to be given the freedom to smash a player when needed
Time to get rid of mason been there to long need new ideas
😂😂😂
Coys
💯 we have been getting worse for months. Glad I gave up my season ticket. LEVYOUT
Son isn’t doing it anymore,we need to get a long term replacement asap,it was ange’s fault for not having enough left backs.
3/400 Million? NONSENSE! Who were the best team in the last 25 years...Man Utd...Captain? Keane. How on earth did Wimbledon win the FA Cup from non league status? Captain? Vinnie Jones. Look at Dave MacKay.....All this team needs is a FU captain. Someone the dressing room is scared of. Only then will we move up a gear. They don't have to be a great player...just a fkn headcase on the pitch who will strike fear into the players that aren't giving over 100%. There HAS to be just 1 out there....somewhere.